**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 28 02:59:58 2009
Oct 28 06:25:03 <bxyrk> howdy folks... anyone still up?
Oct 28 06:25:10 <ndnihil> just us chickens
Oct 28 06:26:04 <bxyrk> cool cool, i just recently got my freerunner back out of the closet again... been searching since yesterday trying to get it going again...
Oct 28 06:26:46 <bxyrk> as soon as video inits... wsod
Oct 28 06:27:12 <bxyrk> ...immense, the saddness is... and yoda, i am
Oct 28 06:27:32 <ndnihil> reflash you must
Oct 28 06:28:22 <bxyrk> nand, rootfs, and kernels, i have flashed. qi and u-boot, i have tried
Oct 28 06:28:59 <ndnihil> what dist?
Oct 28 06:29:12 <ndnihil> I'm using SHR from early september
Oct 28 06:29:17 <bxyrk> shr, qtmoko, 2009.x, ....
Oct 28 06:29:19 <ndnihil> not sure what the current state of it is
Oct 28 06:29:38 <ndnihil> I've had the wsod on a couple occasions
Oct 28 06:29:39 <bxyrk> wsod at the bootloader...
Oct 28 06:29:47 <ndnihil> but that was fixed by flashing something that worked
Oct 28 06:29:48 <bxyrk> i mean... how do you fix that?
Oct 28 06:30:10 <ndnihil> can you boot from nor?
Oct 28 06:30:11 <bxyrk> ...how do you fix wsod at NOR?
Oct 28 06:30:17 <bxyrk> nope
Oct 28 06:30:18 <bxyrk> ..lol
Oct 28 06:30:32 <ndnihil> nor nand? (excuse the pun)
Oct 28 06:31:44 <bxyrk> nope nope... well.. i can boot NOR and push the AUX once(with the white screen) to boot shr off sd... then i can ssh into it.. but it's not charging, even from wall unit, and takes all night to get enough back to try again
Oct 28 06:32:15 <ndnihil> so even when it boots shr to the point you can ssh into it, it's white screened the whole time?
Oct 28 06:32:22 <bxyrk> yup
Oct 28 06:32:37 <bxyrk> and i can only get that far if i use NOR
Oct 28 06:32:52 <ndnihil> tried dumping something directly to fb after you ssh into it?
Oct 28 06:32:54 <bxyrk> neither u-boot or qi from nand get me anywhere
Oct 28 06:33:09 <ndnihil> cat <whatever>.fb > /dev/fb0
Oct 28 06:33:38 <ndnihil> there are some example framebuffer images in shr-splash package
Oct 28 06:33:44 <bxyrk> .. not as far as i can tell.. but only way i knew shr worked was because the eth device showed in dmesg
Oct 28 06:34:22 <bxyrk> ...what could i spit to it?... i forgot about a straight cat...
Oct 28 06:34:38 <ndnihil> hrm, hang on I'll stick a .fb image up for you
Oct 28 06:35:10 <bxyrk> cool.. didn't there used to be one for download?... or was the bootscreen update a diff image type?
Oct 28 06:35:25 <ndnihil> there's an shr package for it
Oct 28 06:35:35 <bxyrk> cool
Oct 28 06:35:38 <ndnihil> havent seen it on other dists, but I've been running shr for a while
Oct 28 06:36:43 <bxyrk> yeah... i tried 2009 when i think the second revision came out.. and before that liked the qt based run... but almost right after 2009 started acting right... it poo'd on me and i started hacking on my psp
Oct 28 06:38:48 <ndnihil> http://nihil.rchomepage.com/misc/moko/shrboot.fb
Oct 28 06:38:50 <ndnihil> wget that
Oct 28 06:39:10 <ndnihil> should be a black screen with white text "shr booting"
Oct 28 06:39:15 <ndnihil> or something to that effect
Oct 28 06:40:17 <bxyrk> cool cool... thanks... i'll let you know... is that know to clear a wsod sometimes?
Oct 28 06:40:29 <ndnihil> haven't tried
Oct 28 06:40:46 <ndnihil> haven't even heard of it being tried
Oct 28 06:40:47 <bxyrk> cool... sounds fun
Oct 28 06:49:06 <bxyrk> no worky... and the batt farted out and halted
Oct 28 06:49:08 <bxyrk> couldn't find the sys device to force charging...
Oct 28 06:50:18 <bxyrk> openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090502-om-gta02.rootfs.tar + uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0e5fe639e234cdeb11d8441f19c5b3109a8b6a17-r2-om-gta02 on sd
Oct 28 06:53:38 <bxyrk> i read in one of the lists that some/all (don't think they were sure where i read it) of wsod were from init timings not allowing for glamo to wake up... but maybe that was just for the resume ones....
Oct 28 06:54:10 <ndnihil> you mentioned you had battery issues
Oct 28 06:54:21 <bxyrk> no charging after boot
Oct 28 06:54:30 <ndnihil> ah
Oct 28 06:54:40 <ndnihil> wonder what's up with that
Oct 28 06:55:06 <ndnihil> perhaps running it off USB is just enough power to boot, but not enough for the display
Oct 28 06:55:48 <bxyrk> before the WSoD, i was playing with debian on sd... and i was just installing stuff... and i was messing around and once i got enlightenment going...(desktop wasn't the first thing i was worried about) i noticed it hadn't been charging... so i shut it down
Oct 28 06:56:40 <bxyrk> i tried different distros, flash and sd... but no charge... it ran fine from the battery... but wouldn't charge
Oct 28 06:56:53 <ndnihil> do you have an alternate means of charging the battery?
Oct 28 06:56:58 <bxyrk> none
Oct 28 06:57:23 <ndnihil> how about a powered USB hub
Oct 28 06:57:29 <ndnihil> something that will let it have more current
Oct 28 06:57:39 <bxyrk> and... once the "permanant" WSoD set in... i just cried and had to use my 8125/w810i
Oct 28 06:57:54 <bxyrk> .. i have the wall charger.. i know it works
Oct 28 06:58:21 <bxyrk> charges other devices fine.. a pushes the whole amp to my htc...
Oct 28 06:58:32 <bxyrk> and*
Oct 28 06:58:47 <ndnihil> did you check the battery with a voltmeter?
Oct 28 06:58:59 <bxyrk> no... 
Oct 28 06:59:54 <bxyrk> should i? i wouldn't be able to untill tomorrow morning.. but what could that tell me... it'll run for a minute off of a tether
Oct 28 07:00:55 <ndnihil> it should tell you what condition the battery is in after what should be a full charge
Oct 28 07:01:48 <bxyrk> ..how long should it take to trickle charge from flat to full?
Oct 28 07:02:02 <ndnihil> dunno
Oct 28 07:02:19 <bxyrk> never went that long.. just long enough to boot
Oct 28 07:02:59 <bxyrk> ...i miss my fr so damn much... i mean, i did my nerdiest show offs with that little ARM
Oct 28 07:05:12 <ndnihil> mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerSupply/battery org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply.GetInfo 2>/dev/null
Oct 28 07:06:02 <ndnihil> does that say anything interesting?
Oct 28 07:06:14 <bxyrk> hellz yeah with the dbus call.. forgot about that too... i've really been off of this horse for a while
Oct 28 07:06:27 <bxyrk> ... waiting to trickle enough to boot... 
Oct 28 07:07:32 <bxyrk> think it's going to... the sound init pop was kinda strong
Oct 28 07:10:21 <bxyrk> put my neo back in my hosts file...
Oct 28 07:13:50 <bxyrk> i have some hacked up usb cords lying around from making my gps for my psp's serial line... but i let my friend borrow my powered usb hub and i'm afraid to jump the batt. off of my tower's bus...
Oct 28 07:26:16 <beers> morning
Oct 28 07:26:34 <ndnihil> yank a 5V regulator out of something and feed it with a suitable wall-wart
Oct 28 07:27:03 <ndnihil> hi beers
Oct 28 07:28:17 <ndnihil> bxyrk: it should be 5V tolerant
Oct 28 07:28:30 <ndnihil> pretty sure I read somewhere that people were jumping it from USB
Oct 28 07:32:08 <bxyrk> ...sorry... pidgin doesn't do anything unless you sya my name... i've bumped it with usb alot... just afraid of going out my tower.. i always used a stripped usb out of my hub so i couldn't fry anything in the desktop
Oct 28 07:32:42 <bxyrk> but yeah.. i'm willing to go for it... hold on
Oct 28 07:33:03 <ndnihil> dont do it on my account
Oct 28 07:33:15 <ndnihil> frying your USB bus would suck
Oct 28 07:33:37 <ndnihil> I'd sooner tap the 5V coming off the wall charger and use that
Oct 28 07:34:29 <bxyrk> yeah yeah "not responsible for damaging your yada yada..." i'm not that guy that sues ronald McDonald for getting fat... ya know?
Oct 28 07:34:38 <ndnihil> ;)
Oct 28 07:35:08 <ndnihil> even still, I'd probably use the wall wart over the workstations USB bus any day
Oct 28 07:35:16 <bxyrk> second the wall brick idea...first desktop since my last died... totally another story
Oct 28 07:36:27 <bxyrk> so.. which is more important to be on the money with? A or V?
Oct 28 07:36:41 <ndnihil> you'll need both within spec
Oct 28 07:36:53 <ndnihil> I wouldn't go over 5.5V or so
Oct 28 07:37:12 <ndnihil> and you'll need at least 750mAh I think
Oct 28 07:37:36 <bxyrk> old charger for bt headset? 5.0v at 550ma?
Oct 28 07:37:51 <ndnihil> kinda shy on current, but worth a shot I guess
Oct 28 07:38:04 <bxyrk> yeah.. wouldn't get more from the deskotp
Oct 28 07:38:23 <ndnihil> worst that could happen (assuming you dont reverse polarity) is that it wont boot
Oct 28 07:39:20 <ndnihil> what does the FR wall charger put out as far as current goes?
Oct 28 07:40:03 <lindi-_> ndnihil: the label says 1000mA?
Oct 28 07:40:13 <ndnihil> that should be plenty I'd think
Oct 28 07:41:16 <bxyrk> i thought the charger didn't go the whole amp till it negotiated...?
Oct 28 07:42:12 <ndnihil> is it that smart?
Oct 28 07:42:37 <lindi-_> bxyrk: charger does not negotiate
Oct 28 07:43:08 <bxyrk> ...dunno... i know it has the pin.... oh yeah... the fr doesn't pull the 1.0 till it sees the resistor?
Oct 28 07:43:20 <bxyrk> you know.. it takes a couple ms...
Oct 28 07:45:01 <bxyrk> giong to smoke with the g/f... i've been all hunched over the kb/fr for a min... gotta talk to her without looking over my shoulder every so often... ya know? ... lol
Oct 28 07:45:31 * ndnihil makes a whipping sound at bxyrk 
Oct 28 07:46:14 <bxyrk> shit dude... i wanna hear the "insert cracking noise" sometime in the next month... lmao
Oct 28 07:53:19 <bxyrk> k... so i'm doing this next to the router.. if i get a time out right after this... well... it was a fubar
Oct 28 07:56:12 <beer> morning
Oct 28 08:10:24 <bxyrk> ...nothing happened yet... how can i find polarity without tester?
Oct 28 08:11:12 <bxyrk> wait... there's a stripe... just a dirty cable...
Oct 28 08:11:21 <ndnihil> eh
Oct 28 08:11:23 <ndnihil> I'd test it first
Oct 28 08:11:29 <bxyrk> stripe's like red right?
Oct 28 08:11:35 <bxyrk> yeah...
Oct 28 08:11:39 <ndnihil> not always
Oct 28 08:12:31 <bxyrk> no way to tell outside of testing against ground..?
Oct 28 08:13:01 <ndnihil> wait until you get a meter in your hands
Oct 28 08:13:04 <ndnihil> just to be safe
Oct 28 08:14:13 <bxyrk> so... if i did use usb... and i put an unpowered hub inbetween battery and the tower?
Oct 28 08:14:48 <ndnihil> it's your call
Oct 28 08:14:56 <ndnihil> but personally I'd hold off until I had the right equipment
Oct 28 08:15:34 <bxyrk> so, i do test against ground to tell + from - right?
Oct 28 08:16:05 <ndnihil> not sure what you mean by "against ground"
Oct 28 08:16:17 <bxyrk> ..to be honest... neither do i
Oct 28 08:16:19 <ndnihil> when you hook up the meter
Oct 28 08:16:25 <ndnihil> you get +5V
Oct 28 08:16:28 <ndnihil> or -5V
Oct 28 08:16:37 <ndnihil> +5V is the right polarity
Oct 28 08:16:45 <ndnihil> -5V is reversed
Oct 28 08:16:49 <bxyrk> works for me
Oct 28 08:17:42 <bxyrk> so +5 sould be a + to - connection on both sides?
Oct 28 08:18:01 <ndnihil> ?
Oct 28 08:18:37 <bxyrk> i'm pretty hardware stupid... gimme a nix stack and i can do stupid stuff
Oct 28 08:18:54 <ndnihil> your meter should have two leads, one positive, one negative
Oct 28 08:19:02 <bxyrk> yup
Oct 28 08:19:18 <bxyrk> +red -blach
Oct 28 08:19:26 <bxyrk> black... geez...
Oct 28 08:19:33 <ndnihil> when you get +5V (or simply 5V on most meters), the wires are equivalent to the labeled meter leads
Oct 28 08:19:48 <bxyrk> k... now i understand
Oct 28 08:19:59 <bxyrk> sorry you had to spell it... i'm slow sometimes
Oct 28 08:20:27 <ndnihil> no problem
Oct 28 08:20:34 <bxyrk> i'm not really that nubby usually
Oct 28 08:21:30 <bxyrk> so i wanna make a circuit to jump?... or match
Oct 28 08:21:43 <bxyrk> or i could rtfw
Oct 28 08:22:01 <ndnihil> hook positive to positive
Oct 28 08:22:05 <ndnihil> negative to negative
Oct 28 08:22:10 <ndnihil> it's a parallel circuit
Oct 28 08:22:26 <bxyrk> thought so...
Oct 28 08:23:11 <bxyrk> see?.. conversation with a human is so much faster than searching... i love irc
Oct 28 08:29:17 <bxyrk> worked with usb... booting.. i'm so impatient
Oct 28 08:29:35 <bxyrk> usbnet will prolly kick me off...
Oct 28 08:32:57 <bxyrk> i lied... won't make the whole boot...
Oct 28 12:58:40 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc8f30ee9d815 10/fsogsmd/ (7 files in 4 dirs): fsogsmd: improve 3rdparty code integration for SMS PDU handling
Oct 28 14:00:35 <Natanaiel> does anybody have a manual to add right to left support to wikireader?
Oct 28 14:23:06 <DocScrutinizer-8> what?
Oct 28 14:30:43 <laotseu> hi
Oct 28 16:06:20 <jucs> =)
Oct 28 16:40:33 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r31da476bf015 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/atcommands.vala: fsogsmd: add (optional) SIM name in +CMGL
Oct 28 17:04:58 <PBeck> hi
Oct 28 18:32:35 <jokerfox> I get at rare boot message  -> INFO : RCU detected  CPU 0 stall. <- Anyone got this at one point ? 
Oct 28 20:41:09 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r37ca116b7e2c 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS: add simple API for sending a text message of unlimited length.
Oct 28 22:37:48 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r240da84fbc18 10/fsogsmd/ (7 files in 4 dirs): fsogsmd: more work on SMS PDU
Oct 29 00:32:45 * Psi gives up trying to find somewhere locally that has a 10uf cap small enough to fit got 1024 fix and puts his phone back together
Oct 29 00:32:56 <Psi> it can wait until i make another digikey order in a month or two
Oct 29 00:33:12 <Psi> got=for
Oct 29 00:33:17 <SpeedEvil> does farnell do nz/.
Oct 29 00:33:27 <Psi> ya, but not local
Oct 29 00:33:53 <Psi> not paying $30 for postage from aus - nz for such a cheap component
Oct 29 00:34:17 <Psi> farnel did have an nz brand ages ago, but it closed
Oct 29 00:34:28 <Psi> now farnell aus is the closest
Oct 29 00:34:37 <Psi> brand=branch
Oct 29 00:35:13 <Psi> i have other stuff in my list of things to get from digikey, so ill just wait until then
Oct 29 00:36:22 <SpeedEvil> ah
Oct 29 00:36:23 <SpeedEvil> :/
Oct 29 00:37:29 <Psi> much cheaper to wait and get from digikey anyway, over NZ$100 gets free 3-4 day shipping
Oct 29 00:40:29 <SpeedEvil> ""uk
Oct 29 00:40:29 <SpeedEvil> and mouser
Oct 29 00:40:35 <SpeedEvil> actually - what's a nz$ in us$
Oct 29 00:40:50 <Psi> atm 100nz is 72us
Oct 29 00:41:07 <Psi> was $75 yesterday but it dropped overnight
Oct 29 00:44:05 <SpeedEvil> mouser and digikey are both doing the free order over 50 quid thing
Oct 29 00:44:41 <Psi> yeah, never used mouser
Oct 29 00:46:03 <Psi> actually looking at digikey its actually free shipping over 125nz, not 100
Oct 29 00:55:39 <SeligArkin> Interiguing problem - if my moko is pluged in during boot-up or shutdown, it causes the bootup/shutdown to go ungodly slow
Oct 29 01:24:12 <m0nt0> bye all!!
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