**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 30 02:59:58 2009 Oct 30 03:27:20 where should I ask NEO android questions? Oct 30 04:28:07 " high level of satisfaction amongst users" Oct 30 04:35:17 of? Oct 30 04:38:46 i just learned about http://www.archmobile.org/ i have a freerunner phone since a year and a half and wonder why hasn't anyone told me it existed Oct 30 04:40:16 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions Oct 30 04:40:29 a link to arch there Oct 30 04:41:02 start at the beginning again Oct 30 04:41:24 o wait update the wiki info first Oct 30 04:42:43 a small link at the very end of others/unreleased, not very obvious Oct 30 04:44:07 uhsf: you knew aobut gentoo? Oct 30 04:47:59 i only knew about om, shr, qt, debian, android Oct 30 04:55:20 what u no look at the wiki? Oct 30 04:56:14 http://www.slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=arm Oct 30 04:56:39 kde on moko wow Oct 30 04:59:02 so are there any new shr images to be had? Oct 30 04:59:47 not yet it seems Oct 30 05:00:22 i want to try and build shr for my zaurus Oct 30 05:03:39 so is the holdup an xorg problem? Oct 30 07:52:36 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r917c0d872e80 10/fsogsmd/ (4 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: start with unit tests for SMS and CB code Oct 30 08:31:30 mobning Oct 30 08:31:45 hmmm morning Oct 30 09:05:55 larsc, hi Oct 30 09:06:11 any conclusion about the discussion of yesterday and how to deal with Oct 30 09:06:21 freq scaling on the serial device (gsm issue) Oct 30 09:06:57 panicking: nope, if there were any, i'd send it to you Oct 30 09:07:51 ok Oct 30 09:07:57 panicking: did you try looking at other devices for which cpufreq is already implemented and widely used? Oct 30 09:08:46 GSM serial modem is a specific one issue Oct 30 09:08:58 in other application change the frequenct and loose some char Oct 30 09:09:07 on serial device is not such big problem Oct 30 09:09:14 all the serial driver in PRECHANGE event Oct 30 09:09:25 do nothing and in the POSTACHNGE just call settty Oct 30 09:09:47 Another question Oct 30 09:09:58 what is the reposisotry to clone for having the 2.6.30 for gta02 Oct 30 09:13:53 panicking: there's no. OM repo has .31 already Oct 30 09:14:58 panicking: probably a short letter to LAKML, LKML explaining sometimes loosing even a single character during cpufreq transition is not acceptable and asking for options would help. Oct 30 09:15:12 Nothing specific to gsm modem i'd say. Oct 30 12:31:56 hey guys, does Harald Welte still hang around here? Oct 30 12:35:36 fredl: nope but you can reach him by mail Oct 30 12:35:42 no. not that i remember seeing in a long time Oct 30 12:35:57 okay, thanks guys Oct 30 12:36:15 at least he was on #sflc when I asked about the extreme networks case Oct 30 12:36:39 whoops, confused names now Oct 30 12:36:46 ignore previous lines :) Oct 30 13:10:29 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r3f5b48d35e70 10/fsogsmd/ (src/3rdparty/fsogsm3rdparty.vapi tests/test3rdparty.vala): fsogsmd: more SMS unit tests Oct 30 15:43:19 hi Oct 30 16:04:58 hello is there a way to set qvga as screen size on the freerunner? Oct 30 16:05:10 xrandr doesn't work Oct 30 16:06:14 hi, I have one question, is there some bootloader for mobile devices that supports dualbooting? Oct 30 16:06:55 u-boot? Oct 30 16:07:17 QI? Oct 30 16:07:24 lilo Oct 30 16:40:19 how does one change the loglevel in u-boot? Oct 30 16:40:49 UndrWater: it is just linux boot option Oct 30 16:41:02 hi lindi- Oct 30 16:41:09 ok, i have fix my problem Oct 30 16:41:14 the only two avalabile Oct 30 16:41:22 frequenct are 100Mhz and 400Mhz Oct 30 16:41:32 I must try 440Mhz using the same voltage Oct 30 16:41:37 panicking: that is ok Oct 30 16:41:44 It's perfect because Oct 30 16:41:48 the mobile Oct 30 16:41:50 lindi-: but i usually don't use *com to configure my boot loader :) Oct 30 16:41:52 is on 100Mz Oct 30 16:41:54 during call Oct 30 16:41:58 for example Oct 30 16:42:03 is there a config file? Oct 30 16:42:08 or when you do nothing Oct 30 16:42:12 This is the idea Oct 30 16:42:17 start in performance mode Oct 30 16:42:23 change the policy Oct 30 16:42:29 min.frequency to 100 Oct 30 16:42:38 then move to ondemand Oct 30 16:42:40 governator Oct 30 16:42:49 Now I must fix the GSM Oct 30 16:42:55 panicking: you've implemented switcing? Oct 30 16:42:55 flowcontrolled problem Oct 30 16:43:06 UndrWater: ? use fw_setenv command from shell Oct 30 16:43:08 during the cpuscake Oct 30 16:43:22 during cpuclock transaction Oct 30 16:44:01 lindi-: on the phone? Oct 30 16:44:05 panicking: yep, without working suspend and serial port cpufreq can not really be used Oct 30 16:44:12 UndrWater: yes Oct 30 16:44:24 the only problem is the gsm Oct 30 16:44:27 because gps Oct 30 16:44:33 are not a big really problem Oct 30 16:44:38 only invalid packet Oct 30 16:44:47 but the buffering is needed Oct 30 16:44:53 when you have transaction Oct 30 16:45:02 I don't know how big is this buffer in second Oct 30 16:45:45 maybe DocScrutinizer or mickeyl has the answer Oct 30 16:45:57 because suppose that we have pppd connection Oct 30 16:46:05 on the serial line using multiplexer Oct 30 16:46:11 and the system change frequency Oct 30 16:46:21 we must avoid data corruption on pppd and at command Oct 30 16:46:35 the idea is to switch the serial in RTS/CTS manual mode Oct 30 16:46:45 and set it to UP Oct 30 16:46:53 in PRECHANGE Oct 30 16:46:56 freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * rf7ea17bc2a33 10/src/ (15 files in 4 dirs): Oct 30 16:46:56 freesmartphone.org: add missing includes for glib and dbus-glib to some headers Oct 30 16:46:56 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann Oct 30 16:47:05 panicking: are you saying cpufreq, suspend and gps work for you? Oct 30 16:47:06 and reset TO normal behavior in POSTCHANGE Oct 30 16:47:26 let me test gps Oct 30 16:47:29 wait a minute Oct 30 16:47:37 I test the GSM Oct 30 16:47:54 panicking: have you read https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2295 ? Oct 30 16:48:02 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r7dc5f94bacd3 10/fsogsmd/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: i'll probably have to rewrite some of that *sigh* Oct 30 16:48:19 this is not my problem Oct 30 16:48:25 let me test the gps Oct 30 16:50:09 it works Oct 30 16:50:11 ok Oct 30 16:50:17 now return to the GSM problem Oct 30 16:50:23 lindi-: cant' seem to find fw_setenv...google mentions deb package, but i can't find source or ipk Oct 30 16:50:44 UndrWater: packages.debian.org has source Oct 30 16:50:57 no ipk? Oct 30 16:53:03 UndrWater: no idea Oct 30 16:53:26 okay... Oct 30 16:55:29 lindi-, I'm asking to werner what is his opinion on the gsm Oct 30 16:55:34 flowcontrolled Oct 30 16:55:45 He is in the gta02-core channel Oct 30 16:56:31 panicking: i would be ok with getting only gps at first Oct 30 16:57:03 I can send you a patch agaist the 2.6.29 Oct 30 16:57:05 to test Oct 30 16:57:25 Can you measure the power consumation? Oct 30 16:59:01 panicking: sure but does it work with gps after suspend? Oct 30 17:01:43 yes Oct 30 17:03:54 lindi-, the patch is to big need to be splitted Oct 30 17:03:59 it can be used only for testing Oct 30 17:16:00 panicking: no priblem Oct 30 17:16:21 Ok, I'm sending Oct 30 17:31:40 panicking: FIFO in modem is 64byte afaik Oct 30 17:32:18 ok it's inaugh Oct 30 17:35:49 * SpeedEvil passes panicking the 2009 inventive spelling tropy. Oct 30 17:38:16 SpeedEvil: for inventive spelling a tropy seems appropriate ;-P Oct 30 17:43:28 enough Oct 30 17:43:30 sorry Oct 30 18:03:48 lindi-, they are on the mailing list Oct 30 18:03:54 hope that I send all the things Oct 30 18:12:23 DocScrutinizer, hope that I can meet you at the FOSDOM2010 Oct 30 18:15:52 lindi-, do you see the patches? Oct 30 18:34:19 in shr, where are the sms saved? Oct 30 18:34:27 in an sql lite db? Or just in a textfile? Oct 30 18:41:27 hmm... Is there a way to cat the received text-messages in shr? Oct 30 18:48:13 PaulFertser, hi Oct 30 18:48:14 :) Oct 30 18:56:12 At the end I cook rise for my wife Oct 30 18:56:13 :) Oct 30 18:58:09 rice* Oct 30 19:01:21 En espanol creo arose o arrose Oct 30 19:02:59 algo asi Oct 30 19:03:12 orly? Oct 30 19:04:33 arroz? Oct 30 19:05:32 yes Oct 30 19:05:34 arroz Oct 30 19:05:43 panicking, estas de España? Oct 30 19:05:51 Claro, que si Oct 30 19:05:58 vivo en valencia Oct 30 19:06:02 great! Oct 30 19:06:07 I'm going to valencia Oct 30 19:06:09 for erasmus Oct 30 19:06:11 next year Oct 30 19:06:16 pleaaase be my promotor :D Oct 30 19:06:22 :D Oct 30 19:06:32 give your contact when you are here Oct 30 19:06:37 so I show my office :D Oct 30 19:06:41 to you Oct 30 19:06:43 alright! Oct 30 19:06:57 In what university? Oct 30 19:07:06 politecnica or tarrogers? Oct 30 19:07:08 universidad de politechnica Oct 30 19:07:24 :) Oct 30 19:07:30 en que istituto Oct 30 19:07:33 ? Oct 30 19:07:40 No idea yet Oct 30 19:07:46 electronics or informatics Oct 30 19:07:48 ah Oct 30 19:07:50 informatics Oct 30 19:07:52 software engeeneering Oct 30 19:07:53 ok Oct 30 19:07:58 so maybe the DISCA Oct 30 19:08:06 qué es? Oct 30 19:08:31 Disca? Oct 30 19:09:51 Disca es el laboratorio de real time Oct 30 19:09:59 control system Oct 30 19:10:00 too Oct 30 19:10:40 are you related to the university, still? Oct 30 19:11:07 Pisa university Oct 30 19:11:08 :) Oct 30 19:11:23 I have some friends and I'm working on a deadline scheduling Oct 30 19:11:26 in linux Oct 30 19:11:42 Oh, because I was thinking about doin my thesis about embedded devices/cross compiling/openmoko Oct 30 19:11:51 yes, I read your blog sometimes:) Oct 30 19:12:52 When you are here we can talk about your thesis Oct 30 19:12:56 I have a lot of idea :D Oct 30 19:13:09 alright, dealeo ;) Oct 30 19:14:36 tengo que ir Oct 30 19:14:43 estan per serrar aqui Oct 30 19:14:43 :D Oct 30 19:42:47 hello all Oct 30 20:25:40 [shr-u] ophonekitd is crashing with loading failed. library not set. Oct 30 20:25:48 hmmm....so is shr-dialer Oct 30 20:28:14 You hold the steering wheel in one hand. In the other you try to hold your freerunner and stylus, and type 'mplayer ~/Music/Infected Mushroom/2007 - Vicious Delicious/05 Suliman.mp3' in the terminal Oct 30 20:39:21 safer than texting :) Oct 30 20:57:28 tab completion Oct 30 22:59:42 hello guys, I need a quick help on running GPS Oct 30 22:59:59 I have Neo FR with SHR the very latest version Oct 30 23:00:21 GPS position appears in Settings >> Possition menu, but I can't get it working in NavIt or TangoGPS Oct 30 23:00:34 I even manually enabled it in settings >> position menu Oct 30 23:00:40 any hints? Oct 30 23:06:22 Gabrys: wait long enough till it gives any signal? Oct 30 23:06:44 in tangogps you can see to how many sats he's connected yet Oct 30 23:06:48 what about that? Oct 30 23:07:06 pieterc: yep, I had my position already displayed in SHR's Settings >> Position menu Oct 30 23:07:08 navit also can show that info Oct 30 23:07:16 but it seems those apps can read that :| Oct 30 23:08:03 I'd say check the gpsd connection info? Oct 30 23:08:14 In the client apps Oct 30 23:08:15 how do I do that? Oct 30 23:08:19 like tangogps ==> config Oct 30 23:08:24 it seems OK, then :( Oct 30 23:08:33 localhost, default port Oct 30 23:08:41 it's the port gpsd listens on Oct 30 23:08:46 maybe you need a symbolic link to gpsd? Oct 30 23:08:48 checked with netstat Oct 30 23:08:51 could that be it? (someone else?) Oct 30 23:09:20 check it in a terminal: does gpsd exist? Oct 30 23:09:38 oh, wait a moment, I lost my GPS position data in settings >> position menu Oct 30 23:09:45 :) Oct 30 23:09:51 root@om-gta02 ~ $ pgrep gpsd Oct 30 23:09:52 2506 Oct 30 23:10:04 Ok.. No clue anymore Oct 30 23:10:11 tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:2947 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN Oct 30 23:10:17 Gabrys: for navit you need libgps17 Oct 30 23:10:27 did you do the download and make the link? Oct 30 23:10:28 I had this already installed Oct 30 23:10:41 did you link it to libgps16? Oct 30 23:10:47 it seems my problem now is bad GPS signal reception Oct 30 23:11:05 actually navit doesn't complain like shown on wiki Oct 30 23:11:06 perhaps because you're inside? ;) Oct 30 23:11:09 navit and other gps apps will show what the reception is Oct 30 23:11:19 let me see Oct 30 23:11:22 first the link Oct 30 23:11:42 I tried ldd /usr/bin/navit Oct 30 23:11:45 but no ldd ;) Oct 30 23:12:55 I'm starting to get some info on GPS settings after turning GPS radio off and on again Oct 30 23:13:14 I have some bogus time, fix: no time, sats: 0/0 Oct 30 23:13:37 do you have tangogps? Oct 30 23:13:38 and just about 5 minutes ago I had 6 sats Oct 30 23:14:03 I have, but I try to stick to the only application that have let me to actually see my location Oct 30 23:14:11 which is GPS settitngs Oct 30 23:14:24 time is now updated Oct 30 23:14:29 satellites: 0/12 Oct 30 23:14:41 I feel it starts to work Oct 30 23:14:45 it's finding satellites Oct 30 23:15:04 in the meantime I opkg install binutils, to have ldd Oct 30 23:15:15 to see which lib version navit is linked to Oct 30 23:15:22 sats: 0/13 Oct 30 23:16:28 0/14, time ok, no more info yet :( Oct 30 23:16:44 neo's right on the window Oct 30 23:16:47 tangogps will show you same info...and you'll know it's working on a gps app :) Oct 30 23:16:56 takes forever to get a fix inside Oct 30 23:18:39 I've just updated my window and it starts to get some position info ;) Oct 30 23:18:47 3/11 satellites Oct 30 23:18:50 4/11 Oct 30 23:18:56 so let's go to tangogps now Oct 30 23:19:11 fix: 3d fix :) Oct 30 23:19:16 there u go Oct 30 23:19:22 i'll bet navit won't work tho Oct 30 23:19:31 without libgps link Oct 30 23:19:34 could be wrong Oct 30 23:19:39 let's see Oct 30 23:19:48 (launching tangogps now) Oct 30 23:19:59 btw SHR is so much better than Android Oct 30 23:21:09 on freerunner? Oct 30 23:21:19 UndrWater1: yes Oct 30 23:21:25 of course :) Oct 30 23:21:48 android is too abstract...it's not linux anymore Oct 30 23:22:04 I like having GNU utils when I'm logging in Oct 30 23:22:24 I tried to copy some files to sdcard (to install SHR) from Android Oct 30 23:22:29 no tar Oct 30 23:22:31 no mknod Oct 30 23:22:38 no ssh by default Oct 30 23:23:46 what's the verdict? Oct 30 23:24:06 UndrWater1: I agree... What's the use of an operating system that even doesn't display black and white console screens now and then Oct 30 23:24:38 pieterc: this is why I dislike fancy boot-up screens Oct 30 23:25:05 * pieterc highfives Gabrys Oct 30 23:25:17 shit, I kill my phone, it's load must be about 20 now ;-) Oct 30 23:25:42 too many things at once, I'm working too much on fast servers ;-) Oct 30 23:26:05 10.7 actually Oct 30 23:26:10 don't mind fancy boot screens...as long as i can get behind or disable them Oct 30 23:26:48 I like Gentoo text boot screen, it's informative, but still pretty by being colorful :-) Oct 30 23:28:11 indeed :) Oct 30 23:28:22 it was fun watching gentoo boot on the freerunner too Oct 30 23:29:43 Is it better to have swapfile on internal flash on uSD card? Oct 30 23:30:17 internal flash OR on uSD card Oct 30 23:30:34 i think either is fine Oct 30 23:31:01 300MB swapfile on uSD takes ages to swapon Oct 30 23:34:43 do you need such a large swap? Oct 30 23:35:22 I don't know, I just had so much space on card, my bad Oct 30 23:37:39 Hi I'm running hackable:1 on my openmoko and I used to be able to sftp into it to put files Oct 30 23:38:13 but currently it doesnt work any idea how to fix it? Oct 30 23:38:30 xxtjaxx: does ssh work? Oct 30 23:39:03 yes it does Oct 30 23:39:23 xxtjaxx: what ssh server= Oct 30 23:41:23 dropbear Oct 30 23:48:27 xxtjaxx: does it provide sftp? Oct 30 23:48:41 I did think so Oct 30 23:50:23 xxtjaxx: read what CHANGES says about sftp Oct 30 23:50:44 the website doesnt seem to mentionm that Oct 30 23:51:45 xxtjaxx: CHANGES is part of dropbear source at least Oct 30 23:52:21 hmm I believe there is no suc file on my moko :( Oct 30 23:53:44 xxtjaxx: apt-get source dropbear Oct 30 23:58:36 I need to run, so catch you later, I'll notify about the progress with the GPS thing Oct 30 23:58:49 c u Oct 31 00:04:41 lindi-: needs the openssh binary so I checked and opensshclient was installed allreadyy Oct 31 00:05:07 xxtjaxx: what's "the openssh binary"? Oct 31 00:05:19 xxtjaxx: there is more than one binary Oct 31 00:08:51 quoted from the files sftp support works (relies on OpenSSH sftp binary or similar) Oct 31 00:10:42 would vsftp good as a server on a moko? Oct 31 00:16:33 xxtjaxx: well you need to think bit more :) Oct 31 00:16:48 xxtjaxx: "sftp binary". do you have that? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Oct 31 02:59:57 2009