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Nov 01 09:41:59 <panicking> larsc, I'm rewriting
Nov 01 09:42:02 <panicking> the vibrator
Nov 01 09:42:09 <panicking> using a new api and a clean source
Nov 01 10:09:26 <panicking> I have sent an email on the mailing list
Nov 01 11:05:42 <PBeck> hi
Nov 01 11:14:28 <vanous123> i rather aks here then in devel :)
Nov 01 11:14:39 <vanous123> could someone please post me a simple python example
Nov 01 11:14:47 <vanous123> using clesses
Nov 01 11:14:55 <vanous123> s/clesses/classes
Nov 01 11:15:00 <vanous123> s/clesses/classes/
Nov 01 11:15:01 <apt> vanous123 meant: s/classes/classes
Nov 01 11:15:04 <vanous123> :)
Nov 01 11:15:16 <vanous123> and reading and displaying dbus signal?
Nov 01 12:09:36 <romanskij_mobile> hello guys, i´m new on openmoko scene and want to try it on my palm tx, what is the actual compiled release for it and where i can finde it?
Nov 01 12:10:10 <lindi-> romanskij_mobile: openmoko distro?
Nov 01 12:10:36 <Sup3rkiddo> can anyone share their setup-env thing?
Nov 01 12:10:42 * Sup3rkiddo lost it
Nov 01 12:11:01 <romanskij_mobile> sory for that question but what do you mean with distro? distribution?
Nov 01 12:11:09 <lindi-> romanskij_mobile: yes
Nov 01 12:11:19 <romanskij_mobile> mhh
Nov 01 12:11:40 <romanskij_mobile> i dont realy know cause im a newbie
Nov 01 12:12:25 <romanskij_mobile> and so i see now that i have to read throu some websites to get infos, do you have a good link?
Nov 01 12:12:26 <Heinervdm> romanskij_mobile: i never heard of any distro running on palm tx...
Nov 01 12:12:39 <romanskij_mobile> http://zefanja.blogspot.com/2007/09/openmoko-20072-on-palm-tx.html
Nov 01 12:12:43 <romanskij_mobile> here is one
Nov 01 12:12:57 <romanskij_mobile> but it is from 2007
Nov 01 12:13:20 <lindi-> romanskij_mobile: i don't think that distro exists anymore
Nov 01 12:13:22 <romanskij_mobile> and i wanted to try the actual stable version
Nov 01 12:13:50 <romanskij_mobile> lindi-: look at the link above
Nov 01 12:13:59 <lindi-> romanskij_mobile: yes it's om2007
Nov 01 12:14:29 <romanskij_mobile> so my question was if there is a 2008 release for palm tx :-)
Nov 01 12:14:56 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * rebd78b7ecd3c 10/vapi/ (elm.vapi evas.vapi): elm.vapi|evas.vapi: minor API updates
Nov 01 12:14:57 <lindi-> romanskij_mobile: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009
Nov 01 12:14:57 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * rc7479b86e50b 10/vapi/evas.vapi: vapi/evas: bind new map stuff
Nov 01 12:17:18 <romanskij_mobile> ok thank you lindi- i try some things and if i have some question i ask again ok?
Nov 01 12:17:35 <lindi-> romanskij_mobile: i personally have been using debian for more than a year on my phone
Nov 01 12:18:05 <romanskij_mobile> mhh i don´t know what the best os is for my palm tx
Nov 01 12:18:46 <romanskij_mobile> so i´m searching for some linux releases for palm
Nov 01 12:20:04 <Heinervdm> romanskij_mobile: if you want to have an om2009 or an om2008 image for your palm you have to compile it on your own
Nov 01 12:22:10 <romanskij_mobile> jo i see Heinervdm but i dont know if it is possible to do it on osx
Nov 01 12:22:57 <Heinervdm> romanskij_mobile: don't know too
Nov 01 12:23:29 <romanskij_mobile> ok i can try it with an ubuntu or kubuntu boot dvd
Nov 01 12:23:49 <Heinervdm> romanskij_mobile: a build will need about 10 hours
Nov 01 12:23:59 <romanskij_mobile> wow
Nov 01 12:24:23 <romanskij_mobile> so it is better to use an faster computer?
Nov 01 12:25:05 <CVirus> an ?
Nov 01 12:25:06 <Heinervdm> yes, and you will need some GByte of free space
Nov 01 12:25:12 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r5efa6e5fdf2a 10/vapi/evas.vapi: vapi/evas: bind even more map stuff
Nov 01 12:25:16 <romanskij_mobile> a faster
Nov 01 12:25:29 <romanskij_mobile> sory for bad english
Nov 01 12:26:28 <Heinervdm> during build it will download about 3GByte of sources and the build needs about 15GByte
Nov 01 12:26:53 <romanskij_mobile> wow
Nov 01 12:27:00 <Heinervdm> so a boot cd that runs in ram is not enough ;)
Nov 01 12:27:09 <romanskij_mobile> jo ok
Nov 01 12:27:48 <romanskij_mobile> i can use my old athlon xp pc to do this,there i can install a linux distribution and compile it
Nov 01 12:28:24 <romanskij_mobile> but if it needs 10 hours on a new pc so i think i need nearly a day with my old computer
Nov 01 12:47:13 <ary_manzana> Hi
Nov 01 12:48:08 <ary_manzana> Can someone please help me please with getting tangogps to work?
Nov 01 12:48:35 <ary_manzana> When I do "opkg update" I get some errors and the system can't find the gpsd package
Nov 01 12:52:18 <PBeck> ary_manzana: which distri you are using?
Nov 01 12:56:58 <ary_manzana> neo freerunner
Nov 01 12:57:07 <ary_manzana> I'm actually helping a friend installing it, I have no previous experience with it
Nov 01 12:58:02 <ary_manzana> My friend says that noone touched it until now, so it has the default system and configuration... and it was bought in december
Nov 01 13:04:24 <brian__> with all this work happening,,..    maybe a new shr-U  is in order
Nov 01 19:36:03 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc9832bf06b15 10/libfsobasics/fsobasics/utilities.vala: libfsobasics: add FileHandling.writeBuffer() and FileHandling.createDirectoryHierarchy()
Nov 01 19:43:59 <ndnihil> lol
Nov 01 21:05:24 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: (belarus, flu) btw, is it true that censorship contributes to the flu epidemic situation and not in a good way?
Nov 01 21:06:07 <max_posedon> flu? [свиной крипп?]
Nov 01 21:07:43 <max_posedon> ok, now I understand quesion
Nov 01 21:08:08 <mwester-laptop> No flu epidemic over here, except that which has been manufactured by our politicians for political gain.
Nov 01 21:08:21 <max_posedon> PaulFertser, Belarus haven't enough "pig" flu markers
Nov 01 21:09:11 <max_posedon> e.g. Belarus haven't enough resources to detect situation, so, there is no "pig" flu in Belarus.
Nov 01 21:09:36 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: well, it doesn't matter anyway because it should be treated like any other flu.
Nov 01 21:09:37 <max_posedon> only few labs in Minsk can split "pig" flu, from regular flu.
Nov 01 21:09:56 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: there's no need to diffirentiate between those in fact.
Nov 01 21:10:22 <[Rui]> there is one highly important difference, though... it's got a lot of mass histerics around it :)
Nov 01 21:10:28 <max_posedon> but my friend doctor, speaks that there is no any epidemia right now in Belarus
Nov 01 21:10:41 <PaulFertser> mwester-laptop: are you sure that epidemic rates are roughly the same as for usual season flu?
Nov 01 21:10:47 <max_posedon> people will start illing little bit later - begging of december may be
Nov 01 21:10:58 <[Rui]> well, the only real problem of this flu is that a lot of people can get sick at the same time, and that causes a real problem for companies and human resource management in general
Nov 01 21:11:46 <mwester-laptop> PaulFertser: I don' tknow what figures constitute "epidemic", but the current H1N1 in North America is, by my amateur calculations, no statistically different from the ordinary flu in terms of mortality.
Nov 01 21:12:31 <mwester-laptop> Hardly a crisis, yet the politicians make it into one, and get everyone worked up.  Oh well, at least people are learning how to keep the *ordinary* flu from spreading, so there is some good I suppose.
Nov 01 21:12:33 <PaulFertser> mwester-laptop: mortality is another topic. But some people claim that the "new" flu is more contageous hence more dangerous overall.
Nov 01 21:12:46 <[Rui]> PaulFertser: it's more dangerous to society in general
Nov 01 21:12:48 <mwester-laptop> speculation.
Nov 01 21:13:22 <[Rui]> PaulFertser: speculative situation: a police precint is put "offline" due to generalised contagion in the same week.
Nov 01 21:13:25 <Meomer> where society means economy?
Nov 01 21:13:40 <mwester-laptop> Heh - yeah.
Nov 01 21:13:43 <[Rui]> the affected area might see an increase in crime rate
Nov 01 21:13:46 <mwester-laptop> or society means political power.
Nov 01 21:14:15 <[Rui]> imagine a supermarket which has to close down for a week because it has nobody to work in it as they're home at the same time
Nov 01 21:14:22 <Meomer> what if that happens but it's the seasonal flu? :)
Nov 01 21:14:24 <[Rui]> it's more on the range of these kinds of problems
Nov 01 21:14:35 <[Rui]> Meomer: the seasonal flu isn't as contagious
Nov 01 21:14:59 <[Rui]> the problem is the potential to have a lot of people absent from their workplace at the same time
Nov 01 21:15:44 <mwester-laptop> Contagion can be controlled - my problem is that the politicians have not spent nearly as much effort in teaching people and companies how to control the spread, as they have on a *failed* policy of vaccination.
Nov 01 21:15:49 <mwester-laptop> That's just wrong.
Nov 01 21:16:31 <Meomer> a lot of people know about the risk but then go on and ignore all advice
Nov 01 21:17:27 <Meomer> like my gf's mother is head nurse and had to send two or three nurses home after they "almost" casually noted that their children had gotten the piglets
Nov 01 21:17:29 <PaulFertser> mwester-laptop: i wonder why preparing a vaccine took so long because it seems to be a standard routine for seasonal flu.
Nov 01 21:17:31 <[Rui]> following the advice that is being given, takes you one step closer to being a robot rather than a human
Nov 01 21:17:39 <mwester-laptop> Or do stupid things, like washing hands, etc -- then they share a water bottle at the gym. :(  idiots.
Nov 01 21:17:54 <mwester-laptop> PaulFertser: that's a good question.
Nov 01 21:18:54 <PaulFertser> mwester-laptop: (sharing bottle) i prefer to think that for a person with good immune systems it's harmless and those without will get ill anyway, probably just a bit later.
Nov 01 21:19:11 <mwester-laptop> I tend to think the same way - best to get it over with, I think.
Nov 01 21:19:20 <mwester-laptop> (Except for the high-risk category)
Nov 01 21:20:03 <PaulFertser> Sure, i won't be sharing a bottle with a bum :D
Nov 01 21:20:08 <[Rui]> what I most love is doors :)
Nov 01 21:20:16 <[Rui]> how do you open? kick them down? :)
Nov 01 21:20:17 <mwester-laptop> door-knobs, you mean?
Nov 01 21:20:19 <Meomer> i wouldn't even vaccinate the elderly, or they'll never die
Nov 01 21:20:28 * mwester-laptop smacks Meomer !
Nov 01 21:20:28 <[Rui]> mwester-laptop: yeah :)
Nov 01 21:20:32 * mwester-laptop is old.
Nov 01 21:21:30 <Meomer> we soon won't have enough qualified personell to look after our old people
Nov 01 21:21:31 <mwester-laptop> Actually, for H1N1, the population that was exposed to the seasonal flus in the late 1950's are apparently less affected.
Nov 01 21:21:45 <mwester-laptop> So it's the small children that are most at risk, not the elderly.
Nov 01 21:22:07 <mwester-laptop> Meomer: that's why I focus on taking care of me; I don't trust the government nor anyone else to do so!
Nov 01 21:22:24 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: freaky women always carry some napkins with them
Nov 01 21:22:32 <Meomer> but nothing to worry much, most of the people still die in their own four walls
Nov 01 21:23:52 <[Rui]> being probably a bit too freezing cold: the ageing population is a self-solvable problem, however many won't like the inevitable resolution (likely me neither, if it happens in my generation rathern than in 3 or 4
Nov 01 21:25:42 <mwester-laptop> I say pit the generations against each other.  Never underestimate the old -- experience and treachery will overcome youthful exuberance.
Nov 01 21:26:22 <mwester-laptop> Chainsaws at dawn!
Nov 01 21:27:30 <[Rui]> but I expect we'll likely have rebotical avatar's to do our physical chores (like in that most excellent movie with Bruce Willis, Surrogates).
Nov 01 21:27:34 <Weiss> mwester-laptop: hehe.. that's the motto of the computing society at my old university
Nov 01 21:27:47 <[Rui]> although not as fancy for a long time :)
Nov 01 21:28:15 <mwester-laptop> According to the billboards advertising that movie, "fancy" == sexy?
Nov 01 21:29:07 <[Rui]> mwester-laptop: advanced, perfect, whatever :)
Nov 01 21:30:14 <mwester-laptop> I'll watch it when it's out on DVD.
Nov 01 21:32:25 <[Rui]> mwester-laptop: you'll loose the "magic" of cinema, but the story is good enough to glue you even with a small screen :)
Nov 01 21:35:30 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: if only there were cinema theatres where morons wouldn't be admitted :-/
Nov 01 21:35:41 * mwester-laptop agrees!
Nov 01 21:36:16 <[Rui]> sure.... morons suck, but you have to zone them out :)
Nov 01 21:36:30 <mwester-laptop> The evening shows are full of the idiots, and the afternoon shows are full of the little kiddies.
Nov 01 21:38:22 <PaulFertser> There's one cool place in moscow where you can see plenty of cinema classics (e.g. "Citizen Kane" or Fellini films etc.). The tickets are really cheap and everything would be good if only some shitheads managed to shut up and watch the film :-/
Nov 01 21:38:51 <mwester-laptop> But maybe the real reason for me is that I can't justify my surround sound system and the big screen unless I can tell the wife that I'm saving money by not purchasing theatre tickets.
Nov 01 21:38:53 <mwester-laptop> :D
Nov 01 21:39:10 * mwester-laptop enjoyed Citizen Kane
Nov 01 21:40:26 <[Rui]> mwester-laptop: lol
Nov 01 21:40:47 * [Rui] got a 32'' samsung lcd stuck on a matte-black wall
Nov 01 21:41:07 <[Rui]> at 3 meter distance... it should be at least 52'' in order to give proper cinema looks :)
Nov 01 21:42:55 <SpeedEvil> opera glasses.
Nov 01 21:43:43 <mwester-laptop> 52" Sony 
Nov 01 21:44:06 <mwester-laptop> But I don't think the wife would let me paint the wall black! :o
Nov 01 21:44:16 <PaulFertser> I once was watching a film in an empty theatre (two morons quitted after first ~40min). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vozvrashcheniye
Nov 01 21:45:12 <PaulFertser> Hm, no, it was 
Nov 01 21:45:16 <PaulFertser> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Banishment
Nov 01 22:57:58 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r4cc610898af7 10/fsogsmd/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: more work on SmsStorage API
Nov 01 23:14:42 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rec81a7b5fd1a 10/libfsobasics/fsobasics/utilities.vala: libfsobasics: revert the last commit in favour of DirUtils.create_with_parents()
Nov 01 23:18:24 <azername> hi all
Nov 01 23:39:07 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r619bb0cf259e 10/fsogsmd/ (src/lib/modem.vala src/lib/sms.vala tests/testsms.vala): fsogsmd: SmsStorage passes unit tests
Nov 02 01:38:42 <bbits> what all distro's have a better than usable dialer
Nov 02 01:39:18 <max_posedon> Don't you think that usable dialer is great too?)
Nov 02 01:40:00 <max_posedon> android and qtmoko have most "users" UI
Nov 02 01:40:04 <bbits> yes it is just wanted to know if there is one i would like to start with that distro first :)
Nov 02 01:40:09 <max_posedon> shr/debian have most "geeks" UI
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