**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 03 02:59:57 2009 Nov 03 04:09:26 hello, i am having trouble installing debian on openmoko, after installing u-boot update and running debian install.sh phone doesn't enter dfu mode Nov 03 04:20:13 what is uboot update? Nov 03 04:28:42 Hi i ran uboot- update for debian and then debian install.sh and now i cannot get into dfu mode to flash my phone .. where shld i be looking Nov 03 04:37:36 hello there anybody home?? Nov 03 07:46:39 morning Nov 03 07:49:39 <_Andrew> morning Nov 03 09:47:27 morning Nov 03 10:22:59 whoa, I can charge my openmoko and still be usb host with this new hub I bought ;-) Nov 03 10:23:32 :) Nov 03 10:23:45 Go team crap hub. Nov 03 10:24:13 it's a feature :) Nov 03 10:24:56 Be careful about the PSU - overloading it Nov 03 10:31:48 SpeedEvil: PSU of openmoko? Nov 03 10:32:49 no Nov 03 10:32:54 the hub Nov 03 10:33:05 it's designed - probably very very cheaply - to provide (say) 500mA Nov 03 10:33:28 If it's powering the FR at 500mA - then you can't plug in uch without overloading it Nov 03 10:43:20 SpeedEvil: i think this one was designed for it, you can supply power to it with two different usb ports Nov 03 10:43:35 SpeedEvil: I updated links to specs at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Lindi#Hardware Nov 03 10:43:43 yes - but see what it's rated at - the PSU Nov 03 10:44:16 oh - right - no PSU Nov 03 10:44:26 dx crap ++ Nov 03 10:44:33 indeed :) Nov 03 11:51:40 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rdfff880d5ade 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_qualcomm_htc/htcparser.vala: fsogsmd: htcparser: add continuation support from atparser here as well Nov 03 12:26:01 Anyone running Linux on a Samsung n110, how is it like? Nov 03 12:26:01 Graphic drivers running smoothly? Nov 03 12:31:34 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r2472c0906030 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_qualcomm_htc/htcparser.vala: Nov 03 12:31:34 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: htcparser: add warning for URC AT violation. Nov 03 12:31:34 freesmartphone.org: HTC: Your implementation of V1 mode S U C K S -- go in the corner and be ashamed Nov 03 12:35:16 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r79749372e29b 10/fsogsmd/src/ (3rdparty/conversions.c lib/atcommands.vala lib/sms.vala): fsogsmd: initial SMS storage sync. works now Nov 03 13:02:39 lindi-: (y-cable gadget) how exactly do you turn that stuff in a y-cable? Nov 03 13:10:20 PaulFertser: did you read what I wrote to wiki? Nov 03 13:14:39 OMG, i think i sometimes wish those stupid and dangerous idiots die :((( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_for_Russians Nov 03 13:15:14 Kind of ironic to have so many nazi supporters in a country which suffered a lot from them :-/ Nov 03 13:15:27 lindi-: no, only the ML and the shop page Nov 03 13:16:36 PaulFertser: yep better check the wiki link Nov 03 13:17:04 lindi-: ok Nov 03 13:26:08 lindi-: aha, so it requires additional mechanical converters, right? Nov 03 13:27:26 And for the most common case (you want to use OM wallcharger) there should be USB-A receptable <-> mini USB-B receptable which i'm not sure exactly easy to obtain. Nov 03 13:29:58 PaulFertser: what additional mechanical converters? Nov 03 13:30:35 PaulFertser: my hardware list at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Lindi has an adapter to convert wall charger to the hub Nov 03 13:31:51 lindi-: you also need a converter to connect FR to the upstream port (USB-A receptable <-> mini USB-b jack) i assume. Nov 03 13:32:02 PaulFertser: ah but that is also in my hardware list :) Nov 03 13:32:18 PaulFertser: so yes, a couple of adaptors are needed but they are fortunately cheap Nov 03 13:33:04 and the adaptors are small. the worst part is that the hub is quite large Nov 03 14:17:49 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rb9c93dafd849 10/fsogsmd/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: repair SmsStorage after changing how Sms.Message is bound by Vapi Nov 03 15:37:47 Hi! I use the newest version of SHR, and in the "Power Settings" menu, i get a error: "could't connect to FSO or ophonekitd" Nov 03 15:38:04 And suspend an so forth does not work manually. Nov 03 15:38:08 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r1772ae9d0779 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (atmediators.vala sms.vala): fsogsmd: more work on SmsStorage Nov 03 15:38:20 Is this i known issue? Nov 03 15:45:13 Good day everyone , Is there any free app to manage (reject some number, accept some other numbers ,redirect some to secretary ) calls for linuxs ? Nov 03 15:49:28 hi Nov 03 15:52:09 hi , Is there any free app to manage (reject some number, accept some other numbers ,redirect some to secretary ) calls for linuxs ? Nov 03 15:52:38 hi , Is there any free/non-free app to manage (reject some number, accept some other numbers ,redirect some to secretary ) calls for linux os's ? Nov 03 15:52:52 is anyone else finding the Xorg version of SHR to be faster? Nov 03 15:54:17 whatisit Nov 03 15:55:48 pabs3: faster to use, or (eg) to resume? Nov 03 15:56:36 use, haven't tried resume Nov 03 15:57:12 hmm.. how is scrolling in (eg) TangoGPS? I always found that was a lot slower with Xorg than it was with Kdrive (for no reason I can discern) Nov 03 15:57:25 scrolling of windows containing a lot of GTK widgets, that is Nov 03 15:58:12 scrolling in tangogps seems faster Nov 03 15:59:01 the map scrolling is quite a bit faster I think Nov 03 15:59:53 it would make me very happy if that was the case.. :) Nov 03 16:00:24 scrolling the Config tab in TangoGPS was almost as smooth as on my desktop with Kdrive, and felt very "sticky" with Xorg Nov 03 16:00:52 hmm actually.. is this using xf86-video-glamo or xf86-video-fbdev? Nov 03 16:01:45 what does Accelerometer do in phones ? Nov 03 16:02:01 It easures the direction that gravity is in. Nov 03 16:02:03 Roughly Nov 03 16:02:16 So it gives you a pretty good indication of where 'down' is Nov 03 16:02:30 Weiss: I'm wrong, seems I'm still running Xglamo after upgrading to mrmoku unstable. no idea why it is faster than before though Nov 03 16:02:44 SpeedEvil: hehe.. I read that was "ensures the direction that gravity is in" (because we need to make sure every now and again..) Nov 03 16:03:37 hmm, ok Nov 03 16:05:21 :) Nov 03 16:05:48 SpeedEvil: how are you ? thanks ? what does it mean ?measures the direction that gravity is in. Nov 03 16:05:55 some people just dont know which way is up Nov 03 16:06:24 alabd: imagine a pendulumn hanging down from the middle of the phone. Nov 03 16:06:27 it also makes my level work properly Nov 03 16:06:40 alabd: the accellerometer indicates what direction it is pointing in. Nov 03 16:06:48 (would point if it existed) Nov 03 16:07:03 (and it doesn't swing back and forwards, because it isn't there) Nov 03 16:08:34 SpeedEvil: what are it's usages ? Nov 03 16:09:31 alabd: in tehory doing stuff like flipping oientation of the screen from landscape to portrait. Nov 03 16:09:34 Use in games Nov 03 16:09:42 and other things. Nov 03 16:11:14 SpeedEvil: it is kinda move sensor yes ? Nov 03 16:12:09 SpeedEvil: it is kinda movement sensor yes ? Nov 03 16:12:39 like that sensor in laptop Nov 03 16:12:51 Are we talking about flipping the screen as you move the mobile phone in a certain direction? Nov 03 16:12:58 I believe Qt Extended Improved supports it. Nov 03 16:13:03 But I've never tried that one. Nov 03 16:13:06 alabd: no, it detects accelleration. Nov 03 16:13:08 I believe I read it on a feature list. Nov 03 16:13:12 alabd: the derivitave of movement Nov 03 16:14:08 derivitave ? Nov 03 16:17:33 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivitive Nov 03 16:33:28 Use in games Nov 03 16:33:29 and other things. others ? Nov 03 16:36:09 google for what the iphone uses it for Nov 03 16:36:12 for some apps Nov 03 16:36:29 any chance we will get an updated shr-u this week? Nov 03 17:15:32 SpeedEvil: are you sure that it's accurate to call that devices g-meters or acceleration detectors? Nov 03 17:18:23 question: is the frameworkd package in the new mrmoku builds still necessary? or is it replaced by phonefsod? Nov 03 18:13:28 Hi! Nov 03 18:13:47 Where can I find a part list needed for the Buzz fix? Nov 03 18:14:01 And where can I buy them? Nov 03 18:15:53 Jorek_: well Nov 03 18:16:08 Jorek_: you can find it in the SOP, the pdf describing the fix. Nov 03 18:52:52 Hi all Nov 03 18:53:18 Good day everyone , Does android work complete on Freerunner ? Nov 03 18:53:26 hi panicking Nov 03 18:53:47 I hate calypso :D Nov 03 18:53:57 I have committed a lot of thing today Nov 03 18:54:10 We have some problem on the stability of gprs connection Nov 03 18:54:24 and the graphics is not so fast Nov 03 18:54:32 we are thinking to use a lesser resolution Nov 03 18:54:46 but I think that is one of the best interface of the gta02 Nov 03 18:54:55 version 6 ? Nov 03 18:55:10 alabd: android works ok on my Frerunner Nov 03 18:55:18 Now we have the repository gitorius Nov 03 18:55:24 i think it's more usable then SHR Nov 03 18:55:37 They are different product Nov 03 18:55:44 with different philosofy Nov 03 18:55:51 panicking: hey :) Nov 03 18:56:08 SHR has somthing that Android haven't Nov 03 18:56:17 is completly free and updated Nov 03 18:56:18 Yeah, unix-compatibility Nov 03 18:56:31 every day Nov 03 18:56:39 You can put unix-compatibilty Nov 03 18:56:42 in android too Nov 03 18:56:44 but why? Nov 03 18:56:49 We want a mobile Nov 03 18:56:50 lord-carlos: thanks what version of freerunner ? Nov 03 18:57:05 PaulFertser, larsc I have done some work Nov 03 18:57:14 for the clean up of hdq Nov 03 18:57:22 alabd: dunno .. how many versions are there? Nov 03 18:57:43 6 and 7 Nov 03 18:57:56 i dont know Nov 03 18:58:39 so the idea is to patch the bq27x000 to add openmoko Nov 03 18:58:41 things Nov 03 18:58:49 add the w1 interface registration Nov 03 18:58:57 I have done the second one Nov 03 18:59:11 and create a gpi-hdq-w1 support Nov 03 18:59:27 I think that I need the timer Nov 03 18:59:31 to sample Nov 03 18:59:33 the hdq Nov 03 18:59:37 gpio on read Nov 03 18:59:42 the time are strictly Nov 03 18:59:58 and check the begin of read part and the 0/1 is difficult Nov 03 19:00:22 I check the timer2 and I think it is possible to use it Nov 03 19:02:44 panicking: i saw your mail Nov 03 19:03:17 writing is not a problem Nov 03 19:03:32 but reading yes Nov 03 19:03:54 So this code needs clean up and a w1-hdq driver for the freerunner Nov 03 19:04:33 I have not a lot of time so share the code and work on unique code Nov 03 19:04:36 can help people Nov 03 19:05:23 lord-carlos: is it buz fixed ? Nov 03 19:05:33 i dont know Nov 03 19:05:46 * lord-carlos is listening to Du by David Hasselhoff on Eurotrip Soundtrack [Amarok2] Nov 03 19:06:07 lord-carlos: where did you buy it ? Nov 03 19:06:49 germany, pulster.de Nov 03 19:07:13 some time back when it's still costs 250 eur Nov 03 19:08:40 it is perhaps 6 and not buzz fixed dont others have buzz sound when you talk to them ? Nov 03 19:09:16 i never used it as a mobile phone Nov 03 19:09:17 lol Nov 03 19:09:52 i havent had any complaints with buzz for 2 days Nov 03 19:09:53 SHR was so buggy, so i used my normal phone as a phone Nov 03 19:10:08 and used the Freerunner for playing around Nov 03 19:10:29 thats why its kinda important to have a new testing image Nov 03 19:10:55 android works muuch better at the moment Nov 03 19:11:34 i have a v5 an no hardware buzz fix Nov 03 19:12:55 slaxxer: and you use android for daily needs ? Nov 03 19:13:15 yup Nov 03 19:13:30 i dont use gprs Nov 03 19:14:05 wifi works an androids browser is much better than shr browsers Nov 03 19:15:03 its apparent that there have been many attempts at a browser buy no real sucesses Nov 03 19:16:08 do you mean gprs does not work on android slaxxer ? Nov 03 19:16:33 i just havent used it at all so i dont know Nov 03 19:16:52 yes it works but has some trouble Nov 03 19:16:57 ohum and android is free to download and use on freerunner ? Nov 03 19:17:03 yes Nov 03 19:17:09 panicking: what problems ? Nov 03 19:17:30 only problem i see with android is button failure Nov 03 19:17:51 button usage is far greater than in shr Nov 03 19:18:00 slaxxer: do you mean you can not use keyboard ? Nov 03 19:18:25 aux button is used foe backing out of stuff Nov 03 19:18:46 keyboard is VERY user friendly Nov 03 19:19:06 just that key does not work ? slaxxer Nov 03 19:19:16 works great an has letters i can see Nov 03 19:19:33 everything works Nov 03 19:19:36 just that button does not work ? slaxxer Nov 03 19:20:21 slaxxer: without that button can you go back with keyboard yes ? Nov 03 19:20:28 im saying that the aux button might be worn faster with android compared to shr Nov 03 19:20:47 no Nov 03 19:22:34 button failure is that wear slaxxer ? Nov 03 19:23:20 slaxxer: you told [22:47] only problem i see with android is button failure Nov 03 19:23:21 yes Nov 03 19:23:57 panicking: what problems with gprs ? Nov 03 19:24:02 because with android i have to use the aux button very much Nov 03 19:24:09 slaxxer: i haven't heard of any definitive report that AUX button can fail. I've seen reports of it being torn off the pads but without any damage to both button and the pcb. Nov 03 19:24:23 good Nov 03 19:24:37 i guess its replaceable Nov 03 19:25:46 slaxxer: do you use free ruuner as daily usage phone ? Nov 03 19:25:54 now yes Nov 03 19:25:55 :) Nov 03 19:25:57 yes Nov 03 19:25:58 sometimes Nov 03 19:26:04 I destroy the version Nov 03 19:26:09 with another one Nov 03 19:26:23 panicking: what do you mean ? Nov 03 19:26:40 update Nov 03 19:26:41 sorry Nov 03 19:26:47 I write new code and sometimes Nov 03 19:26:56 I have to reinstall component Nov 03 19:26:57 :( Nov 03 19:27:23 is downloading and using android free ? Nov 03 19:27:29 yes Nov 03 19:28:02 so how about those colose part of android , do they work on free runner ? Nov 03 19:28:16 slaxxer: where can it be download ? Nov 03 19:28:49 alabd, the google maps api Nov 03 19:28:57 I think yes Nov 03 19:29:06 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions Nov 03 19:29:08 but there are some thinks that does't work Nov 03 19:29:13 like syncronization Nov 03 19:29:19 with your goolgle calendar Nov 03 19:29:43 how about GPS ? Nov 03 19:29:59 http://panicking.kicks-ass.org/download/ Nov 03 19:30:08 maybe Nov 03 19:30:14 is better the community Nov 03 19:30:14 one Nov 03 19:30:20 I have a lot of changed Nov 03 19:30:22 post today Nov 03 19:30:28 and I haven't a new version yet Nov 03 19:30:32 in my website Nov 03 19:30:38 the best think is to recompile Nov 03 19:30:39 where at? Nov 03 19:30:46 or waiting for a daily Nov 03 19:30:48 snapshot Nov 03 19:30:54 wait I give you this info Nov 03 19:31:13 http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/downloads/list Nov 03 19:31:16 ok Nov 03 19:31:21 panicking are u helping with shr any? Nov 03 19:32:12 can you reassemble the question? Nov 03 19:32:40 can i just throw that image on an ext3 sdcard an boot with QI Nov 03 19:32:51 sorry Nov 03 19:33:11 I think that you must ask Nov 03 19:33:14 there is a guy Nov 03 19:33:17 are u helping any with shr? Nov 03 19:33:23 that boot both Nov 03 19:33:27 #and2moko Nov 03 19:36:23 panicking: slaxxer how is Volume during voice calls ? Nov 03 19:38:07 good for me an i dont hear very well Nov 03 19:38:47 slaxxer: do you mean sound is low in android ? Nov 03 19:38:56 no Nov 03 19:39:03 its good Nov 03 19:39:35 many ringtones to chose from Nov 03 19:40:18 unique ringtones for different callers:) Nov 03 19:40:34 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rd8a92d1e1a9d 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (atmediators.vala fsogsm3rdparty.vapi mediator.vala sms.vala): Nov 03 19:40:34 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrieveMessagebook() is now functional again, Nov 03 19:40:34 freesmartphone.org: using the SmsStorage. Incomplete messages are decoded as much as possible and Nov 03 19:40:34 freesmartphone.org: flagged as 'incomplete'. Nov 03 19:40:48 panicking: slaxxer http://code.google.com/ this address is not allowed for iranian , so i can not use that url , is it rquired if we want to use android on freerunner ? Nov 03 19:40:59 i think shr will be very good an probly better in future Nov 03 19:41:29 http://panicking.kicks-ass.org/download/ Nov 03 19:41:41 slaxxer: in linux perhaps android has more apps Nov 03 19:41:42 its some oklder Nov 03 19:41:47 older Nov 03 19:41:52 Ok, I'm going to upload a new version Nov 03 19:41:54 wait a moment Nov 03 19:42:16 yay thanks for all u do panicking Nov 03 19:42:32 is it android-2? Nov 03 19:42:35 :) Nov 03 19:44:41 a .jffs2 file is what ii need Nov 03 19:45:12 that one install borded my nand had shr on it Nov 03 19:45:31 panicking: slaxxer http://code.google.com/ this address is not allowed for iranian , so i can not use this url , is it rquired to use that url if we want to use android on freerunner ? Nov 03 19:45:55 it erased everything an took over -------- that really pissed me off Nov 03 19:46:32 alabd http://panicking.kicks-ass.org/download/ Nov 03 19:46:42 i used this link Nov 03 19:47:09 slaxxer: that doesn't look like weekly build of google code... Nov 03 19:47:58 Archimedes: do you it is better than google code? Nov 03 19:48:43 slaxxer: thanks how about original download page of android what is url ? Nov 03 19:48:53 Archimedes: do you mean it is better than google code? Nov 03 19:49:25 I don't know, it is panicking's current build... I have the one from google code running Nov 03 19:49:48 just give me some minutes and I mirror the current weekly for you, so you can test both ;) Nov 03 19:50:42 Archimedes: freerunner is not bought yet Nov 03 19:51:02 what is original android download page ? Nov 03 19:51:31 oh, well, then, just wait until you get yours... versions change very often ;) Nov 03 19:53:54 Archimedes: version of what ?freerunner ? Nov 03 19:54:16 no Nov 03 19:54:50 does anyone know what is android project site ? Nov 03 19:55:02 Archimedes: version of android? Nov 03 19:55:56 the progress of making the cupcake branch of android a stable OS on the OpenMoko Nov 03 19:56:54 what is android project original site ? Nov 03 19:57:02 www.android.com Nov 03 19:57:29 but there is nothing for freerunner Nov 03 19:57:37 so it isn't of much use to you Nov 03 20:00:00 http://android-on-freerunner.googlecode.com/files/android-on-freerunner-cupcake-week-2009-45.tar.gz is blocked Nov 03 20:05:21 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions Nov 03 20:07:34 alabd are u going to hack us? Nov 03 20:07:39 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r1f12f6fab0df 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): add org.freesmartphone.GSM.Debug interface specification Nov 03 20:08:26 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libfso-glib * re312e15a6b2a 10/src/freesmartphone-gsm.vala: regen Nov 03 20:08:30 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android Nov 03 20:08:48 that site will work for u- no? Nov 03 20:08:54 slaxxer: what do you mean ? Nov 03 20:09:02 no Nov 03 20:09:13 it is blocked from server Nov 03 20:09:22 well what u gonna do Nov 03 20:09:35 who build this http://android-on-freerunner.googlecode.com/files/android-on-freerunner-cupcake-week-2009-45.tar.gz ؟ Nov 03 20:10:17 that would work for u? Nov 03 20:11:34 http://panicking.kicks-ass.org/download/freerunner-cupcake-v20.jffs2 Nov 03 20:11:47 http://panicking.kicks-ass.org/download/uImage-v25.bin Nov 03 20:11:58 those 2 should do it' Nov 03 20:12:10 yes Nov 03 20:12:13 I think so Nov 03 20:12:19 if you want frequency scaling Nov 03 20:12:25 flash the kernel using dfu-utilites Nov 03 20:12:29 yes Nov 03 20:12:33 I give the link Nov 03 20:12:51 flash the .jffs2 with dfu-utilites Nov 03 20:13:15 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android_on_Freerunner Nov 03 20:13:23 look for flashing michael trimarchi Nov 03 20:13:57 panicking can i install to sdcard only? Nov 03 20:14:17 yes but ask to the and2moko channel Nov 03 20:14:19 not to mess with nand? Nov 03 20:14:23 ok Nov 03 20:14:29 thank U Nov 03 20:16:12 panicking could u make an install.jffs2 for the slackware arm to port to freerunner in your spare time? Nov 03 20:16:29 i know thats asking alot Nov 03 20:17:44 http://armedslack.org/ Nov 03 20:24:14 u knew i was reaching Nov 03 20:24:32 :) Nov 03 20:31:58 Access to this page is forbidden from server to iranians . To installing and using android on Freerunner do we need that address content ? but android.com is open for us . by and large can we use android legally ? Nov 03 20:36:16 slaxxer: is not freerunner a bit big as daily use phone ? Nov 03 20:38:16 is a palm treo too big? Nov 03 20:38:38 yes u can Nov 03 20:38:43 FreeRunner is smaller then an iPhone Nov 03 20:38:52 Heinervdm: no Nov 03 20:40:15 if i need a small phone buy one Nov 03 20:40:51 alabd: ok, FR has 5mm more in height Nov 03 20:41:43 shorter than a coke can Nov 03 20:41:59 no square corners Nov 03 20:42:00 yes and in third dimension yes ? Nov 03 20:42:17 as wide as a coke can Nov 03 20:42:54 thinner than a palm treo Nov 03 20:44:44 im thinking that maybe your goverment wont let it in your country Nov 03 20:47:30 slaxxer: why ? Nov 03 21:01:26 installing V-20 android Nov 03 21:07:40 power up Nov 03 22:52:03 Are the schematics of the GSM RF part available somewhere ? I'd be interested to see the duplexer and pre-amp stages. Nov 03 22:59:31 i believe yes they are.. but can't tell you where Nov 03 23:02:20 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r4ed3740613ef 10/fsogsmd/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: implement basic versions of DebugAtCommand and DebugInjectAtResponse() Nov 03 23:07:46 balrog-k1n: Mmm, so far each version I found had some sheets missing ... (and of course the one I'm looking for ...) Nov 04 02:10:14 evening all Nov 04 02:13:54 is there anyone who has a second to answer a question about SHR on freerunner? Nov 04 02:34:42 androids browser is the bomb **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Nov 04 02:59:57 2009