**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 08 02:59:56 2009 Nov 08 06:17:40 Snyfer: 16MHz is the default and maximum. People usually try with 10 and lower. Nov 08 07:44:33 morning Nov 08 07:44:58 probably because of changing the renderer I get the white box of death now Nov 08 07:45:13 "Enlightenment Error: This is very bad...." Nov 08 07:45:26 ssh into it and rm -rf ~/.e Nov 08 07:45:33 can I go back to another renderer Nov 08 07:45:44 i can't see the phone from the server Nov 08 07:46:07 neither my changed ip (192.168.1.2) nor the original 192.168.202 is pingable Nov 08 07:46:32 was it before? Nov 08 07:46:36 (192.168.0.202) Nov 08 07:46:37 yes Nov 08 07:46:48 unplug it and plug it back in Nov 08 07:46:48 I could ssh to my linking yesterday evening Nov 08 07:47:03 lsusb shows the phone Nov 08 07:47:19 and ifconfig shows me the eth1 Nov 08 07:48:12 shall I pastebin what I'm doing? Nov 08 07:48:24 perhaps there is an error in my logic Nov 08 07:48:33 did you unplug it and plug it back in? Nov 08 07:48:35 yes Nov 08 07:48:42 did the interface come back up? Nov 08 07:49:01 not automatically Nov 08 07:49:09 did it manually? Nov 08 07:49:12 yes Nov 08 07:49:18 and you still can't ping it? Nov 08 07:49:19 ifconfig 192.168.X.Y Nov 08 07:49:21 no Nov 08 07:49:30 I'll dump my commands Nov 08 07:49:33 gimme a sec Nov 08 07:49:44 screwing up e and networking are completely separate issues Nov 08 07:52:55 I slightly remember changing the usb0's default IP somewhere in the settings Nov 08 07:53:05 at least I intended 192.168.1.2 Nov 08 07:53:17 might be a spelling error in there if I did everything else right Nov 08 07:57:18 nmap doesn't find it on either networks Nov 08 07:58:52 at least I see that dropbear started Nov 08 08:10:21 is there a program that can show me whatever ip is on the other site of the usb cable? Nov 08 08:14:11 nmap would be that program Nov 08 08:14:17 or something similar Nov 08 08:16:00 I did nmap 192.168.0.1-255 Nov 08 08:16:09 and likewise for 192.168.1.X Nov 08 08:16:21 nothing came out of it besides my router Nov 08 08:17:01 I'll try once more Nov 08 08:18:23 nmap -sP Nov 08 08:19:02 i don't see anything in tcpdump as well Nov 08 08:19:15 there would have to be traffic to see anything with a sniffer Nov 08 08:19:42 whatever nmap is doing is not causing traffic? Nov 08 08:20:33 well not I saw something Nov 08 08:20:56 Memory Access Error from nmap Nov 08 08:20:57 nice Nov 08 08:20:59 anyway Nov 08 08:21:01 Zeti: you want be able to find your device on eth1 with nmap unless you you have /16 netmask. Because else all 192.168.1.x packets will be routed to your router. Nov 08 08:21:10 s/want/won't/ Nov 08 08:21:12 PaulFertser meant: Zeti: you won't be able to find your device on eth1 with nmap unless you you have /16 netmask. Because else all 192.168.1.x packets will be routed to your router. Nov 08 08:21:30 tcpdump showed some response from 192.168.0.200 Nov 08 08:22:02 .202 is the default address of the phone Nov 08 08:22:10 http://de.pastebin.ca/1661827 Nov 08 08:22:13 my workstation side is .200 Nov 08 08:22:37 mine too Nov 08 08:22:52 how come he caused trafiic with nothing on the other site of the line? Nov 08 08:23:25 ifconfig eth1 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.0.0 ? Nov 08 08:23:42 that the right one? Nov 08 08:24:08 why would you use a full class B for that/ Nov 08 08:24:09 ? Nov 08 08:24:31 #!/bin/bash Nov 08 08:24:32 sudo iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 Nov 08 08:24:32 sudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 Nov 08 08:24:32 sudo ifconfig eth2 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 Nov 08 08:24:34 ^do that Nov 08 08:25:08 and you dont even need the first two lines for communication between workstation and phone Nov 08 08:25:36 change eth2 to whatever is appropriate for your environment Nov 08 08:25:54 inet Adresse:192.168.0.200 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Maske:255.255.255.0 Nov 08 08:25:59 what I currently have Nov 08 08:26:09 looks right Nov 08 08:26:14 and you can't ping the phone? Nov 08 08:26:14 besides I had trouble doing the forwarding Nov 08 08:26:24 forwarding is irrelevant for this Nov 08 08:26:38 that's why I (tried to?) change the ip of the phone somewhere in the gui Nov 08 08:26:40 I just pasted my phone-up script Nov 08 08:27:05 202 is definitely notresponding to ping Nov 08 08:27:16 that's why I used nmap to look for it Nov 08 08:28:48 wb PaulFertser Nov 08 08:29:05 boot to NOR, mount NAND, get rid of ~/.e, then boot NAND and go figure out what you set the IP to Nov 08 08:29:19 NOR =? Nov 08 08:29:22 sd? Nov 08 08:29:26 no Nov 08 08:29:27 NOR Nov 08 08:30:02 you could boot sd if already set up to do so Nov 08 08:30:09 the aux -bootup? Nov 08 08:30:26 I forget which is which as far as pushing buttons and booting Nov 08 08:30:29 it should be on the wiki Nov 08 08:30:45 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NOR_Flash <- this article is abit limited Nov 08 08:30:58 but I had to use this combination when setting up the NAND Nov 08 08:31:14 it's a boot loader menu with different start options (NAND, SD and some other stuff) Nov 08 08:31:59 Boot Menu (NOR) is in the title Nov 08 08:32:06 boot it Nov 08 08:32:08 what to do now? Nov 08 08:32:25 ndnihil: NOR bootloader can't do much more than nand. Nov 08 08:32:59 boot Nov 08 08:33:02 boot from sd Nov 08 08:33:07 set console to usb Nov 08 08:33:13 set console to serial Nov 08 08:33:17 reboot and power off Nov 08 08:33:36 Zeti: if you have damaged your nand rootfs install (i.e. no gui and no networking) you have to prepare a bootable uSD (can be booted either by Qi, u-boot or nor u-boot) or just reflash NAND rootfs. Nov 08 08:33:37 http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/thumb/9/9c/GTA01-U-Boot.JPG/300px-GTA01-U-Boot.JPG <- looks similar Nov 08 08:33:41 doh, forgot it was just bootloader in NOR Nov 08 08:33:55 haven't messed with my phone in a while Nov 08 08:35:09 what's the fastest way to get it boot from sd into a terminal? Nov 08 08:35:14 in that case, boot sd, then mount NAND Nov 08 08:35:54 well I have to put something on my sd first Nov 08 08:35:58 or just reflash the stupid thing Nov 08 08:36:05 do you have anything important on NAND? Nov 08 08:36:34 no Nov 08 08:36:41 the question is what is faster Nov 08 08:36:50 reflashing nand and installing all the stuff again Nov 08 08:36:53 they'll both be equally painful and slow Nov 08 08:37:05 painful on a sunday Nov 08 08:37:08 --- Nov 08 08:37:22 i could put the sd-card into my host Nov 08 08:37:27 if that accelera you'll still have to load something on that uSD card Nov 08 08:37:59 meaning you're going to end up doing an install anyway Nov 08 08:38:04 I just figured nthe host would be pretty fast copying files or whatever you have to do Nov 08 08:41:00 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Prepare_the_SD_card <- tzhis one? Nov 08 08:41:37 Zeti: right Nov 08 08:49:18 come on Nov 08 08:49:34 my host doesn't recognize the µSD-card Nov 08 08:57:48 another idea down Nov 08 08:57:52 -_- Nov 08 08:58:36 you sure the host is ok? Nov 08 08:58:39 tried rebooting it? Nov 08 08:59:24 I'm just loooking for my sd-card Nov 08 08:59:30 might be only sdhc making problems Nov 08 08:59:54 or some upgrade causing the problem Nov 08 09:00:10 but I'm pretty sure I already mounted my cameras sd with this linux Nov 08 09:01:18 ok nothing Nov 08 09:01:29 must be ther kernel module judging from lspci Nov 08 09:04:18 ok looks as it's not compiled in in menuconfig Nov 08 09:04:34 I'll do a kernel recompile Nov 08 09:04:51 ? Nov 08 09:05:18 what dist are you running that doesn't support SD out of the box? Nov 08 09:05:24 :-D Nov 08 09:05:26 guess Nov 08 09:05:43 some home-rolled dist I came up with 10 years ago? Nov 08 09:06:02 I don't think you are a gentoo dev Nov 08 09:06:08 nope Nov 08 09:06:24 it's all about choices Nov 08 09:06:46 but it seems this setting got deactivated somehow Nov 08 09:06:46 erm Nov 08 09:06:52 linux is all about choices Nov 08 09:07:06 dists are all about "we think it should be done like this instead of how you're doing it" Nov 08 09:07:36 remind me not to bother with gentoo Nov 08 09:08:33 can ubuntu do apt-get remove coreutils? Nov 08 09:08:47 dunno, I dont use ubuntu Nov 08 09:09:05 then try it on your distro of choice Nov 08 09:09:12 why? Nov 08 09:09:16 gentoo can do it Nov 08 09:09:23 and I reinstalled coreutils Nov 08 09:09:28 afterwards Nov 08 09:09:29 :-D Nov 08 09:09:35 why would you bother? Nov 08 09:09:43 mistake on my part Nov 08 09:09:47 but it ran Nov 08 09:09:53 found that pretty amazing Nov 08 09:10:10 you can screw up and recover any linux system Nov 08 09:10:17 gentoo is not special in that respect Nov 08 09:10:38 I'd dare to say soem distros don't allow root to uninstall coreutils Nov 08 09:10:51 some package managers perhaps Nov 08 09:10:54 at least ubuntu is interfering pretty often with my tactics Nov 08 09:11:44 no offense, but sounds like perhaps you are interfering with your tactics ;) Nov 08 09:12:02 dunno what went wrong yesterday on the phone Nov 08 09:12:12 from what nmap says the if doesn't come up Nov 08 09:12:19 and the kernel logging doesn't show me the details Nov 08 09:12:36 and it's also an understatement that the new renderer "may have bugs" Nov 08 09:12:58 I'd have rather said "It can totally screw up your system" Nov 08 09:13:18 I assume there is no "ctrl+alt+f1" on the phone? Nov 08 09:13:31 do you see a keyboard? Nov 08 09:13:44 tip once on the screen = a Nov 08 09:13:48 :-D Nov 08 09:13:58 but qa good argument Nov 08 09:14:20 though one against most modern phones Nov 08 09:14:28 I suppose you could hook up a USB keyboard Nov 08 09:14:39 if you happened to put the phone in host mode Nov 08 09:14:45 depends on the standardisation of their drivers Nov 08 09:15:34 so Nov 08 09:15:41 upgrading to 2.6.30 Nov 08 10:11:25 PaulFertser: thank you for response about the rate, I've already tried it last nigh but I don't find any value that make the sd perfectly working... Nov 08 10:14:17 Snyfer: there's some possibility that cards work differently in laptop or usb cardreader comparing to freerunner because they might use different voltages. Nov 08 10:14:59 PaulFertser: Okay, and if understood well, the voltage il linked is the "strengh" parameter you were talking about last night ? Nov 08 10:15:01 Snyfer: are you sure the partition table is correct etc? I'd try to recreate the partition table from scratch. Nov 08 10:15:15 Snyfer: no, the voltage is something different. Nov 08 10:15:39 PaulFertser: I've retried about 10 times, from the phone, from my laptop, it never works on the phone, and always works on my laptop Nov 08 10:15:42 Snyfer: can you imagine a voltage(time) plot for some digital transmission? Nov 08 10:15:53 PaulFertser: yrp Nov 08 10:15:54 Snyfer: the strength affects how sharp the edges will be. Nov 08 10:16:06 PaulFertser: ok right :) Nov 08 10:16:27 Snyfer: oh, one more suggestion. Do you have sim installed? Nov 08 10:16:38 no Nov 08 10:17:25 Snyfer: there's a mechanical problem in some devices that prevents SD from working correctly with strange errors when sim (or mechanical equivalent) is not inserted. At least i had those for sure. Nov 08 10:18:24 Snyfer: i mean the card somehow should be pushed down harder. You can do that either by bending the holder clips a little or by placing something in the sim card holder. Well, you got the idea. Nov 08 10:18:52 PaulFertser: Ok I'll give it a try, I had red it too somewhere but I didn't think this had a chance Nov 08 10:19:12 PaulFertser: ok thank I'm trying it right now Nov 08 10:25:12 PaulFertser: I'm still getting some weirds i/o errors on dmesg and i'm not able to mount the sd card :( I think I'd rather buy a new one, don't you think ? Nov 08 10:28:22 Snyfer: or borrow Nov 08 10:29:22 PaulFertser: yep but I'm so restless about it I think I'm gonna buy a new one in a couple of hours if it sill doesn't work :) Nov 08 10:29:39 PaulFertser: Can you point me to a sd card which is known to work well if the phone ? Nov 08 10:30:10 Snyfer: there's a page on the wiki listing all the cards Nov 08 10:30:18 PaulFertser: oops sorry Nov 08 10:30:24 Snyfer: np Nov 08 10:35:33 PaulFertser: it's a miracle ! Nov 08 10:35:52 PaulFertser: I've finally mounted it :) Nov 08 10:36:06 Snyfer: did you do anything special? Nov 08 10:36:12 PaulFertser: thank you very much for your help and all explanations that came with it Nov 08 10:37:12 PaulFertser: I've set the strengh to 6 and downgrade the clock to 10Mhz as you said, but with the pin inside, and unlocked... Don't know why but when I unlocked it I could be able to mount my sd partition without any issues Nov 08 10:37:19 PaulFertser: maybe the two aren't linked Nov 08 10:37:43 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rb5c5d0c3a778 10/fsogsmd/tests/testsms.vala: fsogsmd: testsms: fix uint8 Nov 08 10:37:57 Snyfer: i think 3 is the physical maximum for the stregth. Nov 08 10:38:23 Snyfer: what is "pin inside"? Nov 08 10:38:38 PaulFertser: oh ok I've red somewhere that someone tried 0 to 6 so I went with the biggest Nov 08 10:38:52 PaulFertser: sorry ? Nov 08 10:39:10 Snyfer: "but with the pin inside" <-- your words Nov 08 10:39:37 PaulFertser sorry I wanted to say "sim" Nov 08 10:41:29 Snyfer: funny thing, i was using my FR for 3/4 year already and only after that i found that the sim holder can be locked :) Nov 08 10:41:57 PaulFertser: ;) Nov 08 10:42:57 PaulFertser: oh sorry I got it, I didn't mean mechanically locked, I meant I hadn't type my sim password... When I did I could be able to mount my sd card, and I don't know if the two are related Nov 08 10:43:43 Snyfer: i think sd_drive << 6 (from glamo_mci code) suggests that 3 is the maximum Nov 08 10:45:39 PaulFertser: PaulFertser I haven't red the code, is it a uchar ? Nov 08 10:46:18 PaulFertser: and I was wrong, the partition is mounted but I'm not able to work on it, creating a file or reading one is getting me errors :s I was too fast Nov 08 10:46:27 Snyfer: i'd need to look at the datasheet (i do not have since it's nda'd) to tell you that. But it looks like a reasonable guess, and in fact 3 was the default for quite some time. Nov 08 10:57:33 Too bad I can't get it working, I'm going out to buy a new one.. Nov 08 11:43:17 hi folks Nov 08 11:43:22 ndnihil, still there? Nov 08 11:47:17 which device is the nand? Nov 08 12:09:10 anybody care to tell me how to mount the NAND? Nov 08 12:10:17 /dev/mtd* I think Nov 08 12:11:20 i see 6 or 7 devices there Nov 08 12:12:00 yes, you have 6 partitions on nand Nov 08 12:12:15 which one do I need to remove the enlightenment settings? Nov 08 12:12:16 usually only one (6th) is mountable Nov 08 12:12:20 ah ok Nov 08 12:12:21 lemme see Nov 08 12:12:58 mount /dev/mtdblock6 /mnt/card/ Nov 08 12:12:58 mount: you must specify the filesystem type Nov 08 12:13:17 -t jffs2 Nov 08 12:13:18 right so? Nov 08 12:13:41 looks good Nov 08 12:14:06 rm .e -rf? Nov 08 12:14:17 if I get the white box of death? Nov 08 12:15:13 it won't help I think Nov 08 12:15:23 what would? Nov 08 12:15:32 but yes, rm -rf .e will remove enlightment settings Nov 08 12:16:03 I don't know which kernel and distro you use, and when you catch white screen Nov 08 12:16:08 so, can't help, sorry Nov 08 12:16:11 in short Nov 08 12:16:19 I suspect me messing around with the renderer Nov 08 12:16:35 messed it up Nov 08 12:16:40 I recieve a white box when booting Nov 08 12:16:48 in front of an empty illume home Nov 08 12:16:52 where I see ususally the icons Nov 08 12:17:01 "This is very bad" Nov 08 12:17:14 at the bottom buttons with restart and debug Nov 08 12:18:07 "Enlightenment error" Nov 08 12:18:08 "This is very bad...." Nov 08 12:18:10 that's it Nov 08 12:19:20 ah this Nov 08 12:19:34 ok, rm -rf will help Nov 08 12:19:51 under "white screen of death" I understand smth else Nov 08 12:30:22 ok Nov 08 12:30:28 well lemme give it a shot Nov 08 12:31:09 its white Nov 08 12:31:13 and it's dead Nov 08 12:32:11 btw Nov 08 12:32:25 are errors while booting common? Nov 08 12:33:59 you know, I still don't know your distro and your kernel Nov 08 12:34:13 SHR Nov 08 12:34:15 but as for me, I have few not important errors Nov 08 12:34:23 the recommended version from the title Nov 08 12:35:41 I think errors are pretty common, yes, although I don't see any messages myself, I'm sure my FR gives errors too. Just depends on what the errors say.. Nov 08 12:36:16 uncorrectable error Nov 08 12:36:24 and some bad block in nand5 Nov 08 12:36:58 and I got no Xserver this time Nov 08 12:37:01 retrying Nov 08 12:37:34 mtdblock5 Nov 08 12:37:38 that's it's name Nov 08 12:44:26 ok it's up and running again Nov 08 12:44:28 thanks folks Nov 08 14:08:54 hello Nov 08 14:09:08 where does opkg save which packages have to be installed? Nov 08 14:09:12 aka world file in gentoo Nov 08 14:10:55 anyone using a FR and Windows 7 ? Nov 08 14:11:39 jep Nov 08 14:12:21 Zeti: I succesfully used usb network and internet sharing on linux, win xp, win vista, but for some strange reason i'm doing something wrong on win 7 :s Nov 08 14:13:05 it was a bit fuzzy Nov 08 14:13:12 but network-bridging did it for me Nov 08 14:13:36 I've installed the neorndis driver, done the netsh interface ip set address thingy, shared my lan netwrok (it doesn't use 192.168.0.x, but 192.168.3.x so that is fine) and even did the Hkey_Local_Machine\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Parameters Nov 08 14:13:36 change.. Nov 08 14:13:55 aha, for some strange reason I don't like bridges, but I'll try it (when my moko is doen upgrading over wifi) Nov 08 14:14:24 I jumped directly to the bridge Nov 08 14:14:34 didn't try the connection sharing at all Nov 08 14:15:05 any disadvantages to a bridge? Nov 08 14:15:44 I think connection sharing is your pc routing Nov 08 14:15:58 with bridging the openmoko has a direct connection to the router Nov 08 14:16:10 better if you want your fr to use dhcp Nov 08 14:16:12 afair Nov 08 14:16:19 vut I must warn you Nov 08 14:16:31 I'vr got bad marks on metworking at the university Nov 08 14:16:36 :-( Nov 08 14:16:54 hehe, np, thanks for the info Nov 08 14:17:15 PaulFertser seemed quite competent in this area Nov 08 14:18:30 Zorkman: if you think of your typical ethernet "switch" carefully you'll see it's in fact network bridge. Nov 08 14:19:17 http://windows7forums.com/windows-7-networking/2847-how-do-i-make-network-bridge.html Nov 08 14:23:12 it seems shr-installer is pretty useless at the moment Nov 08 14:23:40 at least the browse repository function is missing Nov 08 14:24:00 or did I catch an old version? Nov 08 14:24:18 Zeti, PaulFertser: I made the bridge (between my lan and the moko) lan internet works fine (as you can see), but I can't pin my FR... Nov 08 14:24:22 pin=ping Nov 08 14:24:55 Zeti: everything from SHR can be considered old, they're currently pretty close to releasing the new unstable Nov 08 14:25:16 PaulFertser, should I get my hopes up? Nov 08 14:25:32 Zorkman, sure about the ip? Nov 08 14:25:39 windows 7 might have reassigned new ones Nov 08 14:25:49 at least to your side of the net Nov 08 14:26:02 Zorkman_: probably the netmask on your pc (from which you're trying to ping) is too restrictive and doesn't include FR's ip. Nov 08 14:26:50 I can't seem to find how to change the FR's interface IP on my machine when it is bridged... Nov 08 14:26:53 are there any repositories besides the official one worth adding? Nov 08 14:27:00 eg. like medibuntu for ubuntu Nov 08 14:28:58 PaulFertser: do you have any idea how I would be able to fix this? Nov 08 14:29:21 in the adapter settings of the bridge I assume Nov 08 14:31:16 Zorkman_: you do not need interface ip for a bridge. Just make the netmask 255.255.0.0 for the interface it's bridged with. Nov 08 14:31:49 the only thing about my "moko" connection I can change is the Network address (it's currently set to "not present" and when I try to specify a value it doesn't allow enough character to set for example 192.168.0.200 Nov 08 14:35:37 (hope i didn't miss any usefull comments... Nov 08 14:35:55 nope Nov 08 14:36:16 windows 7 somehow resets your ips on both sides Nov 08 14:36:27 you have to adapt the openmoko ip to the windows one Nov 08 14:36:36 no way Nov 08 14:36:49 no way? Nov 08 14:37:02 I can't try it out since I'm with linux now Nov 08 14:37:33 -1 windows 7 Nov 08 14:38:02 ? Nov 08 14:39:02 ok, i changed my FR ip to something in the same range as my lan and now I can ping it Nov 08 14:39:33 and ssh into it Nov 08 14:39:44 still no internet thoug Nov 08 14:39:47 *though Nov 08 14:39:58 must be something wrong with my resolv.conf i think Nov 08 14:40:03 root@om-gta02 ~ $ ping google.be Nov 08 14:40:03 ping: bad address 'google.be' Nov 08 14:40:46 Zorkmn: set route do Your GW Nov 08 14:41:01 Zorkmn: and add nameservers Nov 08 14:41:57 tomcatek: I don't exactly know how what you mean by "set route do Your GW" Nov 08 14:42:52 Zorkmn: route add default gw 192.168.1.1 Nov 08 14:43:10 Zorkmn: only change IP to Your gateway Nov 08 14:44:03 so "route add default gw 192.168.3.20 usb0" ? (192.168.3.20 is ip of my router) Nov 08 14:44:27 usb0 is not needed Nov 08 14:45:07 route will automaticly recognise which interface is in given address range Nov 08 14:45:12 now I don't get a "ping: bad address", but still no ping response Nov 08 14:45:30 set some nameservers Nov 08 14:45:41 DNS Nov 08 14:45:54 I did Nov 08 14:45:57 ow wait, typo :) Nov 08 14:46:36 still no luck... i've set the same DNS as my lan has (the router address 192.168.3.20) Nov 08 14:46:55 can you ping that address from your fr? Nov 08 14:47:11 try pinging 209.85.229.104 Nov 08 14:47:12 nope :( Nov 08 14:47:29 tomcatek: also doesn't work Nov 08 14:47:29 can you ping the windows host? Nov 08 14:47:37 well let's go step by step Nov 08 14:47:58 Zorkmn: whad do You get when You type "route -n"? Nov 08 14:48:37 http://pastebin.com/m6a7ee1ea Nov 08 14:49:05 and "cat /etc/resolv.conf" Nov 08 14:49:07 any evopedia users here? Nov 08 14:49:13 let's see what You have in there :] Nov 08 14:49:15 BluesLee: me Nov 08 14:49:22 i did route add default gw windowsip Nov 08 14:49:30 i did route add default gw routerip Nov 08 14:49:33 Zorkm: does gps work for you? Nov 08 14:49:34 respectively Nov 08 14:49:36 http://pastebin.com/d4183abe6 Nov 08 14:49:49 BluesLee: haven't tested that functionality, sorry Nov 08 14:50:29 Zorkmn: and how should it work? i use osm for tangogps, clicking on gps within evopedia doesnt show me the maps Nov 08 14:51:41 Zorkmn: from where I'm sitting, it's a problem on Your windows machine. Nov 08 14:51:45 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r45b2bf888f5c 10/libfsobasics/ (3 files in 2 dirs): libfsobasics: add FileHandling.removeTree() Nov 08 14:51:57 forwarding doesn't work or so Nov 08 14:52:13 I've edited the registry key's to allow ip forwarding... Nov 08 14:52:18 Zorkmn: can You connect to Your network via wifi? Nov 08 14:52:38 tomcatek: yes, did an opkg upgrade like 20min ago over wifi Nov 08 14:53:02 Zorkmn: so what for are You using windows forwarding? Nov 08 14:53:38 my Fr doesn not have a very good wifi reception near my pc Nov 08 14:54:16 (my pc is connected through LAN to a la fonera with openwrt on it that acts like a wifi client and that is positioned somewhere else in my appartment) Nov 08 14:55:08 plus when i'm on the move there is not always an AP point available Nov 08 14:55:18 (haven't tried ad-hoc communications with the FR) Nov 08 14:55:35 and most importantly; because it should work damnit! :)) Nov 08 14:56:04 Zorkmn: try "wmiconfig -i eth0 --power maxperf Nov 08 14:56:06 " Nov 08 14:56:20 with wifi on Nov 08 14:56:40 it will set interface to max power (default is powar saving) Nov 08 14:57:24 difficult to say how much the reception is improved, because my FR keeps insisting " Link Quality:171/94" Nov 08 14:57:44 try "iwlist eth0 scan" Nov 08 14:58:04 Quality=12/94 Nov 08 14:58:11 is it better? Nov 08 14:58:40 difficult to say, withouth maxperf it oscilates between 3 and 15 Nov 08 14:58:57 try to connect Nov 08 14:59:02 os smtg Nov 08 14:59:15 already connected, but withouth it it also works from time to time.. Nov 08 14:59:48 from my experience, it helps to get better link quality Nov 08 15:00:08 anyway, getting a new laptop from work soon, i'll use something like conectify.me for when i'm on windows Nov 08 15:00:19 that way i'll get better reception Nov 08 15:00:57 Zorkmn: get linux on Your PC. it will be much easier to set forwarding :] Nov 08 15:01:02 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r2a33e5ffe96c 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/sms.vala: fsogsmd: implement SmsStorage.clear() Nov 08 15:02:27 I dual booted on my pc (win xp and fedora 10), but with installing win 7 linux is gone Nov 08 15:02:40 I can still boot from an external HD fedora 9 Nov 08 15:02:49 linux or just MBR is cleaned? Nov 08 15:03:27 will need windows on my work laptop though for work (adobe shit and a few of our own programme only work on windows); so it'll be dual booting or RAID0/1 on the laptop Nov 08 15:03:30 tomcatek, not from my experience Nov 08 15:05:02 zeti: win xp and moko is very easy, but fedora also was quite straitforward (well, not for the average user of course :)) (I'm still quite linux noob and can still remember strugling with editing x.org after I changed reboot and couldn't get a gui) Nov 08 15:05:14 Zorkmn: http://kenny.elblag.pl/neo.sh <- my script to connect to neo. it sets everything with forwarding Nov 08 15:06:02 i do something around these lines as well Nov 08 15:06:18 it makes life a bit easier :] Nov 08 15:10:55 if you need windows and work, you always can install linux on virtualbox Nov 08 15:11:37 true, did that on another pc for about a year Nov 08 15:20:51 BluesLee: evopedia works for me with the maps... Nov 08 15:21:19 and I can even select which map source to use (from those used in tangogps) Nov 08 15:21:35 (it's quite slow though -zooming-) Nov 08 15:22:53 and dragging is quite counter-intuitive to me (click and drag to the left and the map moves to the right) Nov 08 16:27:13 So an end-user need that wiki and issue tracking , if not , how does he/she solve his/her android problems on freerunner ? can he/she use here/other communities instead of code.google.com issue tracking ? Nov 08 16:39:10 alabd: it all depends on the particular project Nov 08 16:39:50 alabd: if people who care about the project you use use only code.google.com for issue tracking than you're out of luck because your point that it's unethical would seem moot to the majority of developers. Nov 08 16:40:20 alabd: so if some project is hosted there and uses its facilities extensively, i guess you wouldn't be able to effectively use it. Nov 08 16:40:45 hi PaulFertser Nov 08 16:41:05 alabd: if the project you actually use is some fork (like cool guys took android code and put it on github and continuing to evolve it there), then you just use the sites they propose for their fork. Nov 08 16:41:09 alabd: Hey :) Nov 08 16:45:18 what do you mean of projetc ?it is android on freerunner Nov 08 16:45:38 alabd: there was several projects to have android on freerunner. Nov 08 16:45:57 alabd: i think koolu had their own and they used stupid webforums for issuetracking. Nov 08 16:46:24 someone said it is stoped ? Nov 08 16:46:32 alabd: currently the best android on FR is the one by panicking http://panicking.kicks-ass.org/ Nov 08 16:47:13 alabd: indeed, koolu dropped their projects without any warning or notice whatsoever, leaving their users in vain. I guess that basically confirms they're uncool from the start. Nov 08 16:48:32 see you know there is not access to code.google.com and d.ndroid.com ok ? now it is required to know whether can we use any source instead of them for using android and it's related issuues ? Nov 08 16:48:48 PaulFertser, at least they sells neo Nov 08 16:48:54 unlike gnu.linuxcenter Nov 08 16:49:35 alabd: i think panicking doesn't require his users to access any google servers. Nov 08 16:49:46 alabd: he does issue tracking some other way. Nov 08 16:49:57 alabd: and btw, android is uncool in my opinion. Nov 08 16:50:05 why ? Nov 08 16:50:13 max_posedon: the way they discontinued android project is offensive Nov 08 16:50:40 alabd: because it's not unix. I can't run any program i like just because android is not unix-compatible. Nov 08 16:51:01 so what is it's base Nov 08 16:51:21 alabd: android's? Nov 08 16:51:24 someone said android has more dev access after mac in the world ? Nov 08 16:51:29 yes PaulFertser Nov 08 16:52:09 alabd: android is basically linux, the kernel with some shitty patches on top of it and incompatible with anything userspace invented by google with the aim to sell apps from google market. Nov 08 16:53:18 alabd: so no usual program can run on android because of its incompatible system libraries and other stuff like that. Nov 08 16:53:33 usual program ? Nov 08 16:53:44 like what runs on your desktop Nov 08 16:53:48 alabd: yes Nov 08 16:54:13 so is there any need for a end-user to have desktop apps in cellphone ? Nov 08 16:54:30 alabd: imho certainly Nov 08 16:54:33 on cellphone? no any need, on smartphone - many needs Nov 08 16:54:44 but of course it different from person/to person Nov 08 16:54:50 what needs for example ? Nov 08 16:55:00 alabd: also it's about familiar development environment. Devs are used to work with GNU/Linux, not Android/Linux. Nov 08 16:55:35 alabd: i need bash, i need irssi, i need mcabber, i need FBReader, i need bluez, i need anything i suddenly want to use. Nov 08 16:55:50 alabd: i treat my freerunner as a small general purpose computer, not as a cellphone. Nov 08 16:55:54 how about an end-user that is not devs ? Nov 08 16:55:59 samba, xchat, pidgin Nov 08 16:56:00 alabd: same Nov 08 16:56:17 alabd: but opinions are different so that's why android exists. Nov 08 16:56:35 that is goof for non-devs yes ? Nov 08 16:56:41 alabd: though my personal impression is that with android it is easier for google to sell proprietary software from their stupid android market. Nov 08 16:57:25 alabd: btw, i consider google-the-company to be unethical. Do you know they collaborate with chinese goverment on their censorship program? Nov 08 16:57:26 so which OS do you use instead on FR ? Nov 08 16:57:40 I use Debian Nov 08 16:58:12 e.g. regular Linux Nov 08 16:58:20 classic, with glibc/X/etc Nov 08 16:58:36 Can it be used for calls sms ,and regular needs.. ? Nov 08 16:58:56 alabd: i use it like that for almost a year Nov 08 16:59:03 alabd: but i must admit it sucks big times Nov 08 16:59:17 yes that is problem Nov 08 16:59:21 alabd: i can't say i enjoy using it as my dayphone. Nov 08 16:59:40 android is more stable in this need s are you agree? Nov 08 16:59:48 alabd: i'm not sure Nov 08 16:59:51 alabd: though i never tried Nov 08 16:59:58 alabd: panicking says it is Nov 08 17:00:11 alabd: hackers do not use android, you know ;) Nov 08 17:00:14 I would like to say, that SHR is stable enough for me, for every day usage Nov 08 17:00:30 and max_posedon does it have enoughe app ? Nov 08 17:00:53 it regular linux, if I would like more, I easy can get them Nov 08 17:01:01 so, amout of apps is enough Nov 08 17:01:12 (I use xchat/pidgin/midori most) Nov 08 17:01:33 but I can't say that all apps feets FR screen correctly Nov 08 17:01:35 mean is there enough apps for SHR on the net ? Nov 08 17:01:48 yes, it is, for me) Nov 08 17:02:03 like gps app Nov 08 17:02:11 tangogps Nov 08 17:02:23 is it free ? Nov 08 17:02:27 yes Nov 08 17:02:59 or playing most common sound formats ... or video formats .. Nov 08 17:03:11 mplayer play all formats you know) Nov 08 17:03:18 PaulFertser: ok return to main question Nov 08 17:03:53 see you know there is not access to code.google.com and d.ndroid.com ok ? now it is required to know whether can we use any source instead of them for using android and it's related issuues ? Nov 08 17:04:11 alabd: ask panicking for details, he'll guide you. Nov 08 17:04:35 alabd: i guess he doesn't use code.google.com at all Nov 08 17:04:52 max_posedon: so you belive SHR is stable and has enough apps .. Nov 08 17:05:16 alabd: and SHR is actively developed by a community of friendly guys Nov 08 17:05:17 ok PaulFertser does a non-devs end-user need issue tracking at all ? Nov 08 17:05:31 alabd, yes Nov 08 17:05:36 alabd: imho any user needs issue-tracking. How else would you report bugs? Nov 08 17:05:48 but I belive that apps can be better, and be more stable Nov 08 17:06:17 ok to solve problems which community are there ? Nov 08 17:06:28 ok to solve android problems which community are there ? Nov 08 17:06:51 max_posedon: is there any call advance manager ? Nov 08 17:07:14 for SHR or other FR OSs max_posedon Nov 08 17:07:18 advance manager? sorry, don't understand what you mean under this Nov 08 17:07:20 alabd: for android ask panicking (Michael). Nov 08 17:07:37 he is not here PaulFertser Nov 08 17:08:07 max_posedon: e.g to reject some numbers and redirect some other numbers ... Nov 08 17:08:21 as I know, it haven't Nov 08 17:08:25 alabd: yep, write an e-mail to him Nov 08 17:08:46 PaulFertser: do you know what is difference between d.android.com and source.android.com ? Nov 08 17:08:57 alabd: no and i do not care Nov 08 17:09:40 PaulFertser: micheal smith ? Nov 08 17:10:41 alabd: Trimarchi Michael Nazzareno Nov 08 17:11:01 what is his email ? Nov 08 17:11:29 alabd: Nov 08 17:11:55 thanks Nov 08 17:14:27 PaulFertser: Is there any other smartphone like FR in the world ? Nov 08 17:14:38 alabd: unfortunately, no Nov 08 17:14:52 alabd: but there're quite some that run android pre-installed Nov 08 17:15:08 alabd: but nothing comparable is as free as FR. Nov 08 17:15:12 that all are more than 400$ yes ? Nov 08 17:15:27 alabd: i think yes Nov 08 17:15:41 is FR hardware in good quality ? Nov 08 17:16:14 alabd: btw, would you mind explaining why you are so reluctant to clarify the reasons for you to not circumvent artificial google restriction (that in fact was not introduced with the aim to restrict anybody)? Nov 08 17:16:49 alabd: FR hardware is "ok" in quality. Not many mechanical components so it's not fragile. Nov 08 17:17:08 why does not it have cam ? Nov 08 17:17:29 alabd, because it haven't Nov 08 17:17:31 alabd: i do not think i know the answer. Nov 08 17:17:45 what answer you want to hear, to this question?) Nov 08 17:18:20 and yes, FR hardware imho not good Nov 08 17:18:24 alabd: probably because at the time the case was designed there were no clear idea about where and how to get a cheap enough cam and how to interface to it etc. Also at the time the case was designed it was obvious that the majority of potential buyers do not need a cam at all. Nov 08 17:18:27 because of few bugs Nov 08 17:18:39 maybe it will have cam in neer future ? Nov 08 17:18:40 alabd: because those who wants a cam buys a dedicated cam. Nov 08 17:18:44 alabd: no Nov 08 17:18:55 alabd: the hardware development is stopped. Nov 08 17:19:14 for ever PaulFertser ? Nov 08 17:19:41 at least for now Nov 08 17:19:42 how about software development is it stopped or going to be stoped nearly ? Nov 08 17:19:59 software development will never stopped Nov 08 17:20:02 alabd: almost all software devolopment is done by the community Nov 08 17:20:20 because FR can run any regular linux app, even openoffice Nov 08 17:20:36 you belive that it will not be stopped Nov 08 17:20:42 max_posedon: should not be proud of that one... Nov 08 17:20:48 is FR produced in USA ? Nov 08 17:21:10 Snyfer, I'm not proud of OOo, but proud of FR compabily level Nov 08 17:21:14 and it's parts Nov 08 17:21:29 just kidding :) you 3 are too serious Nov 08 17:21:42 alabd, nope, its from Taiwan I think Nov 08 17:22:19 so why it had just a distrubiter in india and did not have in taiwan ? Nov 08 17:22:20 alabd: probably some parts are produced in the USA but i doubt that. Almost everything massproduced comes from PRC/Taiwan nowadays. Nov 08 17:22:22 and from a java developper (which I'm not and probably never be), that's a jvm compatibility level that I'd be proub ;) Nov 08 17:22:32 alabd: some local tax or whatever issues. Nov 08 17:23:53 so what is producer site or email ? Nov 08 17:23:55 by the way guys, I've bought a new sd card, and everything is working well :) I'm untaring my little baby gentoo in it... :D Nov 08 17:24:23 Snyfer: what is the best SD card for FR ? Nov 08 17:24:44 what is producer site or email ? max_posedon PaulFertser Nov 08 17:24:45 don't know alabd, but there's a wiki page wich list compatibilities issues on it Nov 08 17:24:53 Snyfer: cool :D Nov 08 17:24:55 yes Nov 08 17:25:00 alabd, openmoko.com Nov 08 17:25:03 alabd: I think you ask too much question, are you from gestapo or something ? Nov 08 17:25:14 Snyfer: he's from Iran Nov 08 17:25:30 PaulFertser: yep, I can't wait to see it booting, if it works... Nov 08 17:25:44 all issues should be considered before buy Nov 08 17:25:54 alabd: you never know Nov 08 17:26:08 alabd, wiki.openmoko.org have a long lists and many docs about all issues Nov 08 17:26:18 alabd: i didn't think i would need to hack on bootloader and the kernel and to solder tiny parts when i was buying my FR. Nov 08 17:26:26 yes that is but this issues there is not Nov 08 17:27:15 hack bootloader why dont you say first :D Nov 08 17:27:49 alabd: after hacking my SD card now works so i do not need that anymore ;) Nov 08 17:28:17 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=hack+bootloader&go=Go no result Nov 08 17:28:33 what do you mean of hack exactly ? Nov 08 17:28:53 alabd: changing code to make it work Nov 08 17:29:01 With my card Nov 08 17:29:08 is it legal ? Nov 08 17:29:21 what a pleasure not seeing i/o errors in dmesg... :D Nov 08 17:29:24 alabd: hm, i think you misunderstand the word "to hack". Nov 08 17:29:29 is bootloader GPL .. Nov 08 17:29:47 or anyother license that let us edit codes Nov 08 17:29:48 ? Nov 08 17:30:08 yes, Nov 08 17:30:19 what is producer site or email ? max_posedon do you know ? Nov 08 17:30:21 and I think 100% of softare is GPL-like Nov 08 17:30:21 alabd: of course, but please you should really take a look at the wiki Nov 08 17:30:26 alabd: (computing) To accomplish a difficult programming task. Nov 08 17:30:30 alabd, I said, http://openmoko.com Nov 08 17:30:31 alabd: you'd find a lot of information on it Nov 08 17:30:32 alabd: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hack Nov 08 17:30:51 alabd: also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_(programmer_subculture) Nov 08 17:31:10 alabd: the bootloader is hosted at git.openmoko.org Nov 08 17:31:26 so it is not against license that hack ... Nov 08 17:31:49 so do you mean hack need a programmer !? Nov 08 17:32:09 alabd: i can't on earth understand why you think that going against license is immoral! :-/ Nov 08 17:32:38 against license = against owner wants ... Nov 08 17:32:46 alabd: if some evil people are trying to force you to do something bad and that people are able to change the law, does it mean you must follow the law no matter what? Nov 08 17:33:07 no but you answer this Nov 08 17:33:09 against license = against owner wants ...? Nov 08 17:33:45 code owner can want anything for his code ... Nov 08 17:33:57 if we dont want those wants we can write another code Nov 08 17:34:01 ... Nov 08 17:34:08 alabd: i do not think one can "own" the code. Nov 08 17:34:20 alabd: that's not a property Nov 08 17:34:36 one can not own programming knowlege but can own his written codes Nov 08 17:34:43 and anyhow Nov 08 17:34:44 do you mean hack need a programmer !? Nov 08 17:35:07 alabd: yes, to hack you need to be a programmer Nov 08 17:35:29 so to fix buzz we should be programmer !? Nov 08 17:35:30 alabd: i do not think it's generally accepted that programming codes can be "owned". Nov 08 17:35:45 alabd: no, to fix buzz one needs to be a guy who can solder tiny parts. Nov 08 17:36:12 you told also there is need to hack bootloader .. Nov 08 17:37:15 [20:55] alabd: i didn't think i would need to hack on bootloader and the kernel and to solder tiny parts when i was buying my FR. Nov 08 17:37:16 alabd: the bootloader wasn't compatible my SD card at the time i bought my FR. Nov 08 17:37:34 so we can buy a compatible one yes ? Nov 08 17:37:49 what are best compatible cards PaulFertser for FR ? Nov 08 17:38:02 if they are not in iran we should buy with FR .. Nov 08 17:38:54 alabd: the wiki has a page with compatible cards listing. Nov 08 17:39:06 thanks Nov 08 17:39:25 and just 2 question at end Nov 08 17:39:34 you told Nov 08 17:39:35 alabd: i didn't think i would need to hack on bootloader and the kernel and to solder tiny parts when i was buying my FR. Nov 08 17:39:54 why did hack kernel ? Nov 08 17:40:09 to fix bugs? Nov 08 17:40:15 alabd: because i was lucky to be able to fix some bugs Nov 08 17:40:28 some bugs ? Nov 08 17:40:45 would you explain more ? Nov 08 17:40:48 alabd: well, at git.openmoko.org you can see the whole commit history Nov 08 17:40:51 DocScrutinizer, hi!, btw, yesterday you was right, upgrade shr from glibc to eglibc had epic fail Nov 08 17:41:05 at the end system was unbootable Nov 08 17:41:07 lol Nov 08 17:41:11 and bye Nov 08 17:41:15 (dinner) Nov 08 17:41:19 See you Nov 08 17:41:52 have fun ;-) Nov 08 17:42:06 ole haxr Nov 08 17:42:27 PaulFertser: you i'm not programmer will tha bugs be bad snags for FR end-user ? Nov 08 17:42:42 PaulFertser: you know i'm not programmer will tha bugs be bad snags for FR end-user ? Nov 08 17:43:05 alabd: do you use gnu/linux? Nov 08 17:43:13 yes lindi- Nov 08 17:43:15 alabd: no, as great Mr Fertser fixed them for all of us Nov 08 17:43:58 best wishes for Mr Ferster Nov 08 17:44:06 DocScrutinizer, btw, you can try http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/oemerge/images/om-gta02/ Nov 08 17:44:06 ) Nov 08 17:44:18 so it is not necessary to be programmer for a Fr user ? Nov 08 17:45:30 alabd: in fact there're plenty of bugs left Nov 08 17:45:38 alabd: in kernel land too Nov 08 17:45:50 alabd: and i do not know anything about android's Nov 08 17:46:12 alabd: i'm just keeping saying "FR is not for end-users". imho Nov 08 17:46:31 those bugs will not make us not using FR as daily phone yes ? Nov 08 17:46:57 I use it as my daily phone, max_posedon uses his and so do many people. Nov 08 17:47:08 so that is ok Nov 08 17:47:35 thanks a lot PaulFertser for your best attentions Nov 08 17:47:47 I missed several calls yesterday and didn't even know about it. Nov 08 17:47:59 PaulFertser: :D Nov 08 17:48:02 alabd: np Nov 08 17:48:22 PaulFertser: is this problem with SHR also ? Nov 08 17:48:37 or with other OS s that you have tested Nov 08 17:48:59 that call missings was for SHR ? Nov 08 17:51:13 ok PaulFertser we should talk more if that missing calls will happen in all FR OSs ... Nov 08 17:51:35 thanks again to you and other who helped max_posedon thanks Nov 08 17:51:53 have nice and good life Nov 08 17:51:55 bye Nov 08 17:51:58 alabd: call stability depends on the software you use, not necessary on the distro Nov 08 17:53:08 a year ago, I would thought that alabd is a big troll, but now Nov 08 17:53:20 when all non-geek word thinks that FR is dead... Nov 08 17:56:35 I wonder if i should have asked him why Iran wants to destroy Israel. He says about Google as if it was a single person. Nov 08 18:23:26 hello hello :) Nov 08 18:29:24 given israels defiance in the past i can understand irans view Nov 08 18:29:37 believe it or not Nov 08 18:31:53 brian_: the view is basically that Israel must be destroyed, right? Nov 08 18:32:13 yes but they are confused Nov 08 18:33:25 brian_: who? iranians? Nov 08 18:33:26 stories of devout Muslims becoming Christians are getting more common Nov 08 18:33:57 not all Iranians Nov 08 18:34:45 brian_: in my opinion their president is expressing views that can be clearly labeled extremist, that's unacceptable. Nov 08 18:36:04 well they know what to do about it Nov 08 18:39:17 brian_: btw, i'm not sure i've read anywhere that israel ever tried to destroy other indepedent states. I don't think they have any motivation to do that unless those countries are actively making israelis' life harder by bombing etc. Nov 08 19:52:28 good day everyone, PaulFertser about that you said , about missing some calls , that was in which OS ? Nov 08 19:53:59 alabd: i use debian but it can happen with pretty much every OS (there's still some rare kernel bug with resuming the device). Also it might happen for hundreds of other reasons like bad update, bug here or there or smth. But i have another question for you. Nov 08 19:55:06 alabd: i've heard that Iran wants to destroy Israel. Does it mean everybody in Iran wants that? Does it mean it's ethical to wish a destruction? Nov 08 19:55:58 PaulFertser: :D here? Nov 08 20:36:13 hi here Nov 08 20:36:24 hi Nov 08 20:36:42 is there a script that runs whenever the phone wakes from suspend? Nov 08 20:37:02 I want to put some re-enable-wifi logic in there Nov 08 20:37:19 Gabrys: do you use fso-apmd ? Nov 08 20:37:23 yeah there is Nov 08 20:37:26 I'm using SHR unstable Nov 08 20:37:26 actually a whole directory :) Nov 08 20:43:30 what's the directory? Nov 08 20:43:51 /etc/apm/resume.d? Nov 08 20:44:36 yeah Nov 08 20:44:45 nice Nov 08 20:45:03 i am stopping speechdispatcher on suspend there Nov 08 20:45:24 I want something like Nov 08 20:45:43 if wifi=on ; then wpa_supplicant ... ; udhcpc ; fi Nov 08 20:46:43 there should already be scripts in there Nov 08 20:46:44 WTF speechdispatcher? Nov 08 20:46:53 just write a shell script an put there Nov 08 20:47:03 for navit -> DocS Nov 08 20:47:16 there's only 89omnewrotate-resume Nov 08 20:47:30 yeah, just write 99blabla Nov 08 20:47:33 and it will work Nov 08 20:47:39 I hope so ;) Nov 08 20:47:45 I *know* only navit dares to mess up whole FR audio by using fsckng speechdispatcher Nov 08 20:47:54 write "echo blabla > /tmp/bla" Nov 08 20:48:05 and u will see the file /tmp/bla after suspend Nov 08 20:48:18 actually I need a wpa_supplicant init script as well Nov 08 20:48:29 it doesnt screw up anything, i use it everyday Nov 08 20:48:42 dont bitch around if u dont know about it :) Nov 08 20:48:43 I want my phone to auto-connect to defined wifi networks automagically Nov 08 20:49:38 is there any ready software for my demand? Nov 08 20:49:50 mofi? (Mofi is a system to detect available wireless Access Points and automatically connect to the most appropriate one depending on the configuration. Mofi now includes a Gnome UI..) Nov 08 20:50:13 zoff99: please watch your speech Nov 08 20:50:16 just look around the wiki Nov 08 20:51:06 yeah, just mofi.py in the script in resume.d should work Nov 08 20:51:09 watch your speech also please Nov 08 20:51:28 zoff99: would you mind to explain how you solved the problem of OSS emu blocking ALSA audio device exclusively? Nov 08 20:51:57 i use navit with speechdispatcher and can make a phone call while doing that Nov 08 20:52:06 also can usa mplayer while in navit Nov 08 20:52:07 muhaha Nov 08 20:52:37 ok, obviously you are the audio expert for FR Nov 08 20:52:44 i dont find anything locked , wasnt that only with om2008 ? Nov 08 20:52:50 I'll shut up standing corrected Nov 08 20:52:59 nope i am not :) but i just use it and it works Nov 08 20:53:05 dont ask me why Nov 08 20:53:54 i was kinda thinking somebody fixed it Nov 08 20:57:18 SOOOooooo Nov 08 20:57:43 don't hate me, but i installed android... Nov 08 20:57:58 good luck with it Nov 08 20:58:25 too be honest, i'm getting better performance with it than qtmoko Nov 08 20:58:45 I did that too, once. I went back to shr because Android is so not-linux not-unix. Have you tried ssh'ing into your android box? :-) Nov 08 20:58:53 rooly: is it panicking's version you run? Nov 08 20:59:14 PaulFertser, not sure, is that the non-koolu git repo? Nov 08 20:59:19 hosted on google Nov 08 20:59:27 rooly: yep Nov 08 20:59:30 then yeah Nov 08 20:59:56 idarwin, no, not ssh'ing into it. just kinda trying to use it Nov 08 21:00:11 i'll have you guys know, i have been complemented on the audio quality in calls using it Nov 08 21:00:53 that's good to know. And specifically the audio comment was right after you switched from qt to android? Nov 08 21:00:55 really? but are there any repositories for android on FR ? Nov 08 21:01:00 any nice programs? Nov 08 21:01:15 idarwin, yes, zoff99 there are a few app stores available Nov 08 21:01:22 I also have Android (dual-boot) Nov 08 21:01:23 non-market Nov 08 21:01:36 and I have sshd running on it :) Nov 08 21:01:38 and busybox Nov 08 21:01:41 you still can't use the official app store, right? Nov 08 21:01:51 Gabrys, what's the easiest path to installing ssh? Nov 08 21:02:16 the easiest way is getting it from me :) Nov 08 21:02:30 idarwin, correct, since the app store is a non-free application Nov 08 21:02:36 Android lacks standard library calls for reading /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow Nov 08 21:02:54 and since android on freerunner is also not an official android port Nov 08 21:03:11 so I needed a patch when you supply user, password and authorized_keys file in the command line switches Nov 08 21:03:29 rooly, what is different between official and non-official? Nov 08 21:03:33 that app store thing bugs me, make is seem like android is more about control by them than about "free your phone" (one of OM catch phrase) Nov 08 21:03:54 official has closed source and drivers from the handset maker, non-official is just a community port Nov 08 21:03:56 the biggest problem in Android applications and Free Runner is that they crash if they have some native code Nov 08 21:04:25 since FR is armv4t and G1/G2/... phones are armv5t Nov 08 21:04:38 so apps in market if having some native code, they have it for armv5t Nov 08 21:04:44 rooly, so, matarolla will show code of their drivers, it will make their android "non-official" Nov 08 21:04:47 and the app simply crashes Nov 08 21:04:52 *if will* Nov 08 21:04:57 max_posedon, no, of course not Nov 08 21:05:03 Gabrys: i thought that the original idea was to make java-everything. Nov 08 21:05:09 so, your definition isn't good Nov 08 21:05:22 pure-java apps works good, and there are plenty of them Nov 08 21:05:23 alright, non-official is just a community port Nov 08 21:05:49 but still there are many having some native-code, like every commercial GPS navigation released Nov 08 21:06:01 I mean offline GPS navigations Nov 08 21:06:01 official is from an OHA member with all the right licensing Nov 08 21:06:37 i was merely speaking in practicality terms Nov 08 21:06:39 probably Java code for calculating the best path is much slower than C code Nov 08 21:06:46 please, folks, it's not Java, it's Dalvik. Google went to a lot of trouble to make sure it was not Java, so Sun couldn't sue them for screwing up the existing specifications for Java. Nov 08 21:06:51 Gabrys: oh... that sucks. But otoh it stimulates everybody to use or develop a free alternative :) Nov 08 21:07:17 and C code is much more portable (they may be using the same code on different navigations and Android) Nov 08 21:07:23 idarwin: why couldn't they just implement java and call it differently? Nov 08 21:07:30 only GUI being written specifically for ANdroid Nov 08 21:07:49 they implemented a subset of java with smaller runtime library Nov 08 21:07:54 which does not mean it's not java Nov 08 21:07:54 Java is a trademark of Sun. Just like you can't make your own car out of tin and sell it as a General Motors product. Nov 08 21:08:00 Gabrys, have you managed to get the weather widget working? Nov 08 21:08:52 it's java if you talk about the programming language, it's not Java if you talk about standard library, it's not Java when it comes to environment and implementation details Nov 08 21:08:59 rooly: I haven't tried Nov 08 21:09:03 They kept the Java language so they could benefit from the infrastructure of tools, but did their own runtime library, deliberately incompatible to fork the development community. Lots of Java people hold this grudge. Nov 08 21:09:33 Gabrys, on the contrary, the Java trademark covers the language and the libraries too. Nov 08 21:09:40 I never understand weather widgets if they show weather in my city. I can just look though window Nov 08 21:09:58 You got a corner office :-) Nov 08 21:09:59 let's forget about the trademarks for a while Nov 08 21:10:06 If you think Android has good audio, so why not simply check which "AT%Nxxxx" (plus maybe other init commands like AT+CLVL) are sent to the modem, and also run a simple "alsactl -f best-audio.state store" ? Nov 08 21:10:43 c'mon everybody that's really not that complicated Nov 08 21:11:02 Sure, just talk about Dalvik not Java, as Java does not exist for Android platform. Nov 08 21:11:18 can we just say coffee and get it over with? Nov 08 21:11:24 Java is language + environment + bytecode definition + standard library + implementation Nov 08 21:11:41 Dalvik is different from Java but the language which is pretty the same Nov 08 21:12:08 which means you can compile some Java programs to Dalvik bytecode and run them on Dalvik VM Nov 08 21:12:54 as long as they don't use things from Sun's standard library that are not present in Dalvik standard library Nov 08 21:13:17 We agree. It is different. All Dalvik programs can be compiled with a Java compiler and translated into Dalvik. Nov 08 21:14:23 BTW, is there a way to actually test GSM quality without calling someone? Nov 08 21:14:57 errr... Nov 08 21:15:05 Probably some AT command :-) Nov 08 21:15:23 * rooly grumbles Nov 08 21:15:55 i'm trying to pull down the android source from google and gitorious, but i keep getting booted from the connection when trying to pull the kernel Nov 08 21:16:17 I found some settings that are announced to help with GSM sound quality Nov 08 21:16:21 http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/gsmhandset.state Nov 08 21:18:30 Gabrys, any idea where i could score the email app for android? Nov 08 21:18:33 it didn't come with my build Nov 08 21:18:49 try K9 mail Nov 08 21:18:55 I found it somewhere, good enough Nov 08 21:19:02 push with gmail? Nov 08 21:19:10 (actually much better than any I found for om) Nov 08 21:19:20 it has push support Nov 08 21:19:27 don't know if it works with gmail Nov 08 21:19:34 I don't use gmail obviously Nov 08 21:22:23 adn got it Nov 08 21:32:24 Gabrys: (test GSM) No Nov 08 21:32:33 :( Nov 08 21:32:59 and do we have one best gsmhandset.state file? Nov 08 21:33:16 No Nov 08 21:33:30 there's no such thing, as HW is too different Nov 08 21:33:47 well, a7 here Nov 08 21:33:58 btw, anybody who designed the fr hardware in here? Nov 08 21:34:25 even between devices of same revision it depends on your particular setup, incl which provider you use etc Nov 08 21:34:26 DocScrutinizer you mean each FreeRunner is different or each batch of FreeRunners or what? Nov 08 21:34:48 so why standard phones just work? :D Nov 08 21:35:14 they don't, Gabrys Nov 08 21:35:35 i have just as much volume issues with the standard nokia candybar phone as i do with the freerunner Nov 08 21:35:53 hey, I got like 6 different phones using 3 different network providers and they where just working nicely Nov 08 21:36:05 rooly: many thanks for putting that straight Nov 08 21:36:09 the problem with the FR is that most other phones default to too loud Nov 08 21:36:22 whereas the FR defaults to too quiet Nov 08 21:36:41 and this is my first phone and I hardly hear people, and they hardly hear me Nov 08 21:37:02 like i said Nov 08 21:37:05 so what's the issue? You got a volume knob on nearly every standard phone Nov 08 21:37:18 which you can set to "too low" as well Nov 08 21:37:55 and you have volume controls in FR (admittedly extremely clumsy) Nov 08 21:37:59 okay, k9 does push Nov 08 21:38:05 sure, and I don't have a volume knob in FR and I have 62 settings for audio Nov 08 21:38:06 which you should set to meet your taste Nov 08 21:38:09 Gabrys: i think if you have the stupid capacitors in place it's impossible to adjust the volume to make it high enough for some noisy environments. Nov 08 21:38:35 if I have just two sliders one for speaker volume and the second for mic volume Nov 08 21:38:39 I would be just happy :) Nov 08 21:38:50 Gabrys: there will be thing like that in the upcoming unstable. Nov 08 21:39:16 is this app already available, I would love to test it Nov 08 21:39:23 and testing push while suspended... Nov 08 21:39:25 Gabrys: #4 and #5 (iirc) - that makes exactly 2 Nov 08 21:39:54 Gabrys: grab tests/mrmoku images then Nov 08 21:40:29 oh snap Nov 08 21:40:44 ah, android does not suspend well Nov 08 21:40:52 PaulFertser: though I really have some doubts TAsn and crew got it right to use the correct controls for the sliders Nov 08 21:41:01 when in suspend it won't get up on new call or message Nov 08 21:41:04 Gabrys, you are quite right about k9 Nov 08 21:41:09 DocScrutinizer, ? Nov 08 21:41:11 push, even while suspended Nov 08 21:41:13 so I doubt it will work on network activity Nov 08 21:41:19 that's nice, then! Nov 08 21:41:19 DocScrutinizer, oh, your doubts are correct. Nov 08 21:41:25 DocScrutinizer: if they get the UI right, changing it to use the right controls will be easy :) Nov 08 21:41:29 We got it COMPLETELY wrong :) Nov 08 21:41:35 I just guessed. Nov 08 21:41:42 Gabrys, it wakes up fine on call and message Nov 08 21:41:42 without even checking the schematics Nov 08 21:41:44 :) Nov 08 21:41:48 PaulFertser: ack Nov 08 21:41:49 as it's set from a config file Nov 08 21:42:00 so you can play with that if you want. Nov 08 21:42:06 rooly: are your completely sure it's suspended and not just screen-faded? Nov 08 21:42:21 /etc/libphoneui.conf Nov 08 21:42:22 TAsn: that's great to hear Nov 08 21:42:24 :-) Nov 08 21:42:27 Gabrys, yes, i am completely sure Nov 08 21:42:46 DocScrutinizer, that it can be set from a config? or that I guessed the values? :) Nov 08 21:42:53 there's a distinct pop when the FR suspends Nov 08 21:42:56 and wakes up Nov 08 21:43:01 I'll also add to the config some tuning options Nov 08 21:43:04 TAsn: the config part Nov 08 21:43:18 it's almost what I suggested to you Nov 08 21:43:23 like choosing the lower and upper limits for volume (in db) instead of taking the defined control values Nov 08 21:43:44 as we may want to limit the range Nov 08 21:43:54 TAsn: good thought Nov 08 21:44:23 DocScrutinizer, I didn't think about it in advance, I only thought about it after I noticed that below a certain value I hear nothing :) Nov 08 21:44:29 Gabrys, would you like me to send you an sms to be sure? Nov 08 21:45:19 DocScrutinizer, Though I'll probably need your (you and PaulFertser's) help choosing the correct control and maybe setting the rest of the controls correctly so modifying the chosen controls will be the right way. Nov 08 21:45:54 rooly: I can send it myself ;-) Nov 08 21:46:00 lol Nov 08 21:46:02 DocScrutinizer, I also considered about creating an alsa software master control and control that, what do you think about that? I think that'll be easiest for me to handle. Nov 08 21:46:14 I have second phone and internet-sms services ;-) Nov 08 21:46:17 (although all the code for what I just described is correct) Nov 08 21:46:25 s/is correct/exists/ Nov 08 21:46:26 TAsn meant: (although all the code for what I just described exists) Nov 08 21:46:27 :) Nov 08 21:46:47 TAsn: sure. But for now simply refer to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem#Alsamixer_channel_controls Nov 08 21:47:07 if your gonna make an alsa volume control, make sure it can get louder than 11 Nov 08 21:47:15 cause the FR is really quiet Nov 08 21:47:34 DocScrutinizer, I know that. Nov 08 21:47:37 TAsn: there you find ""Control 5: "Mono Playback Volume" (alsamixer name: "Mono" Value: as needed)"" for mic Nov 08 21:47:37 i still have trouble hearing when any background noise is around Nov 08 21:47:41 though I don't know wich one to use. Nov 08 21:47:54 as there are multiple options Nov 08 21:48:05 TAsn: and ""Control 4: "Speaker Playback Volume" "" for earpiece Nov 08 21:48:06 for each, and there probably some modifications needed Nov 08 21:48:38 TAsn: the "as needed" part is the buzzword here Nov 08 21:48:44 ATM I use Headphone Playback Volume Nov 08 21:48:45 :) Nov 08 21:48:48 dude Nov 08 21:48:55 push is going to destroy my battery life on this phone Nov 08 21:49:11 DocScrutinizer, and what about mic? Nov 08 21:49:48 TAsn: SEE ABOVE Nov 08 21:50:07 TAsn: sorry capslock Nov 08 21:50:09 the wiki page? Nov 08 21:50:10 :) Nov 08 21:50:20 [2009-11-08 22:47:35] TAsn: there you find ""Control 5: "Mono Playback Volume" (alsamixer name: "Mono" Value: as needed)"" for mic Nov 08 21:50:26 there are 4 options each. Nov 08 21:50:30 oh, didn't notice the Nov 08 21:50:31 for mic Nov 08 21:50:32 part :) Nov 08 21:50:49 cool enough. Nov 08 21:51:29 TAsn: the headphones playback is for speakerphone and wired headset Nov 08 21:52:12 okay Nov 08 21:52:13 well Nov 08 21:52:20 won't be getting calls when suspended Nov 08 21:52:22 thats for sure Nov 08 21:52:26 that was impossibly slow Nov 08 21:52:33 so whenever you switch to speakerphone it's correct to use that control for volume Nov 08 21:52:57 [alsa_control_speaker] Nov 08 21:52:57 speaker = Headphone Playback Volume Nov 08 21:53:02 [alsa_control_handset] Nov 08 21:53:02 speaker = Speaker Playback Volume Nov 08 21:53:03 TAsn: mic (#5) stays the same though Nov 08 21:53:04 correct, right? Nov 08 21:53:23 yep Nov 08 21:53:27 hello Nov 08 21:53:36 ok, those the values I chose :) Nov 08 21:53:49 So I guessed (remembered) correctly Nov 08 21:53:53 only missed with mic Nov 08 21:54:21 what about headset and bt? Nov 08 21:54:27 DocScrutinizer, ^ Nov 08 21:54:28 TAsn: you're sooo cool :-D Nov 08 21:54:40 * TAsn think TAsn is AWESOME! :D Nov 08 21:54:43 j/k :) Nov 08 21:54:53 okay Nov 08 21:54:59 headset is same as speakerphone Nov 08 21:55:05 standard tests completed, didn't manage to try multiple incoming calls Nov 08 21:55:08 DocScrutinizer, for both? Nov 08 21:55:10 wired hs Nov 08 21:55:21 meant for both speaker and mic? Nov 08 21:55:26 android sms works, normal and suspend Nov 08 21:55:29 (that's what I did actually, just making sure) Nov 08 21:55:34 yep for mic sensitivity and playback vokume Nov 08 21:55:45 and bt? Nov 08 21:55:50 android call works, normal and suspend, but suspend takes so long to load up phone app you might as well just wait and call back Nov 08 21:55:53 for bt that's a really completely different story Nov 08 21:55:59 is that a different sound card? Nov 08 21:56:05 I remembered something different. :| Nov 08 21:56:08 though basically same probably, for mic Nov 08 21:56:42 TAsn: nah, no different card Nov 08 21:57:08 oh, just different DAC settings Nov 08 21:57:10 (for mono headset (SDP??)) Nov 08 21:57:15 yep Nov 08 21:57:17 iirc. Nov 08 21:57:41 for standard GSM you dn't have *any* DAC Nov 08 21:57:54 yep. Nov 08 21:57:59 for BT you do Nov 08 21:58:12 actually I do, as I have the call recorder on ;] Nov 08 21:58:15 but that's just me. Nov 08 21:58:33 that's also a different story Nov 08 21:59:13 ok, committed the different config. Nov 08 21:59:17 shit. Nov 08 21:59:27 forgot to pull ;] Nov 08 22:00:19 TAsn: are you doing a alsactl store after a mixer adjustment? Nov 08 22:00:25 DocScrutinizer, not yet. Nov 08 22:00:56 I also don't listen to changes in volume (not set my me) Nov 08 22:01:07 (for instance from alsamixer) Nov 08 22:01:11 that's a minor issue Nov 08 22:01:24 as it usually just won't happen Nov 08 22:01:26 I do listen, I just don't call the handle callbacks function :) Nov 08 22:01:41 but you want to make changes persistent between calls Nov 08 22:01:43 DocScrutinizer, actually it happens a lot (because of a race) Nov 08 22:01:57 when I request the framework to change the scenario Nov 08 22:02:06 I probe the current volume Nov 08 22:02:13 hehehe Nov 08 22:02:18 and I get the volume set in stereoout :) Nov 08 22:02:23 i c Nov 08 22:02:31 yeah.. well I have most of it written (the listening to changes part) Nov 08 22:02:41 only thing left is adding it to glib mainloop in a sane manner. Nov 08 22:03:38 DocScrutinizer, cool, new values work :) Nov 08 22:04:11 woo hoo Nov 08 22:04:17 almost done with git download of android Nov 08 22:04:33 tomorrow, i start parsing it to recompile using 320x240 resolution Nov 08 22:04:53 DocScrutinizer, oh, good thing you are here Nov 08 22:04:54 TAsn: I repeat my suggestion to call a arbitrary executable (possibly script for now) like "audio-helper gimme-name-of-control speakerphone-playback" and use the stdout of that call instead of your config file values Nov 08 22:04:55 I wanted to ask you Nov 08 22:05:15 DocScrutinizer, I'll explain why not in a moment. Nov 08 22:05:21 oh Nov 08 22:05:23 no reason why not. Nov 08 22:05:29 but why yes? Nov 08 22:05:50 DocScrutinizer, anyhow, now that you are here, I forgot what I wanted to ask :| Nov 08 22:05:53 because that function will be "future safe" Nov 08 22:05:56 and it was damn important to be honest. Nov 08 22:06:14 DocScrutinizer, what's not safe about a config file? Nov 08 22:06:23 DocScrutinizer, to tell you the truth, changing it atm is too much work. Nov 08 22:07:05 DocScrutinizer, Oh! I remember what I wanted. what's the sanest way to do an alsactl store? system()? :| Nov 08 22:07:16 yep Nov 08 22:07:27 sure, why not system() Nov 08 22:08:29 but the sanest way was to do "audio-helper store-name-of-control speakerphone-playback" Nov 08 22:08:29 because... it's ugly. :) Nov 08 22:08:34 hehe :) Nov 08 22:08:39 :-D Nov 08 22:08:43 rooly: android market apps work on android port FR; we just need some libraries that are not opensource and are compiled for armv5 Nov 08 22:08:47 that's the problem Nov 08 22:08:55 with that I agree. Nov 08 22:09:04 We should definitely just modify one value Nov 08 22:09:10 instead of destroying the whole state Nov 08 22:09:17 if someone maliciously changed a state for us :) Nov 08 22:09:26 pbaxter, yeah, i know Nov 08 22:09:34 that's the whle point of the suggested call to external executable Nov 08 22:09:55 pbaxter, however, freerunner android does not have specifically the 'market' app Nov 08 22:10:13 DocScrutinizer, yep. Nov 08 22:10:30 but I'm too busy to write that small script :) Nov 08 22:10:40 using system() for THAT doesn't look like much work to me Nov 08 22:10:41 will probably have to wait 2 weeks (after my next test) Nov 08 22:10:45 okay Nov 08 22:10:47 time to head out Nov 08 22:10:49 bye guys Nov 08 22:10:55 TAsn: *I* will write the script Nov 08 22:10:58 rooly: there's a way to install it Nov 08 22:11:00 DocScrutinizer, :) Nov 08 22:11:02 but it doesn't work Nov 08 22:11:04 bye rooly Nov 08 22:11:07 i need tests to run for my android Nov 08 22:11:18 DocScrutinizer, I only need changing one line in a state file Nov 08 22:11:22 TAsn: *you* just need to call it Nov 08 22:11:26 pbaxter, btw, why not run the FR in 320x240 Nov 08 22:11:26 you should read the state path from /etc/frameworkd.conf Nov 08 22:11:42 and get a controlname statename value from me :) Nov 08 22:12:02 DocScrutinizer, please don't force me to do any bigger changes than that. :) Nov 08 22:12:12 TAsn: state files will vanish - eventually - possibly Nov 08 22:12:15 it would be orders of magnitude faster than it currently is Nov 08 22:12:21 rooly: read googlegroup of android-of-freerunner Nov 08 22:12:32 rooly: they were talking about 320x240 Nov 08 22:12:34 DocScrutinizer, I hope that as well. Nov 08 22:12:40 Though I wasn't talking about state files Nov 08 22:12:42 but about states. Nov 08 22:12:47 bye going afk Nov 08 22:12:48 gsmheadset Nov 08 22:12:52 will stay as a state Nov 08 22:13:03 forever, even after we'll drop state files. Nov 08 22:13:12 I want to pass. Nov 08 22:13:30 gsmhandset "Mono Speaker Playback" 23 Nov 08 22:13:36 :) Nov 08 22:13:51 or if you want to Nov 08 22:13:52 you wouldn't even need to pass the value Nov 08 22:13:59 DocScrutinizer, oh, right. :) Nov 08 22:14:11 so yeah, just state and control. :) Nov 08 22:31:58 bye all Nov 08 22:33:39 my shr has a volume knob Nov 08 22:34:17 but it wont connect to att:) Nov 08 22:36:42 att? Nov 08 22:36:56 & Nov 08 23:34:02 back to shr :) Nov 08 23:54:26 I have mrmoku running Nov 08 23:54:42 is there "the GSM-sound setting app"? Nov 08 23:55:41 during call there is some sliders Nov 08 23:56:45 GSM is not connected :/ Nov 08 23:57:27 stop phonefsod, stop framework, start framework, wait, start phonefsod Nov 09 00:03:23 frameworkd crashes :( Nov 09 00:03:49 http://pastebin.com/m4fe36fcb Nov 09 00:04:06 I'd better go back to the "unstable" SHR :( Nov 09 00:06:11 also I have no phonefsod in PATH Nov 09 00:06:31 looks like you flashed not mrmoku/oemerge Nov 09 00:06:42 and under phonefsod I mean /etc/init.d/phonefsod Nov 09 00:06:56 as for trace... its bad Nov 09 00:06:59 can't help) Nov 09 00:07:22 I flashed images from 12 Oct from here http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/unstable/images/om-gta02/ Nov 09 00:08:16 http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/oemerge/images/om-gta02/ Nov 09 00:08:18 try this one Nov 09 00:08:30 and when you will have issue, you can try that commands Nov 09 00:09:01 ok, let's try Nov 09 00:38:26 Hello... does anybody have problems with his freerunner real time clock (e.g. the clock is too slow)? Nov 09 01:37:01 gcconfig -l Nov 09 01:59:06 the #1024 fix capacitor is across 3.3v, correct? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Nov 09 02:59:56 2009