**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 11 02:59:56 2009 Nov 11 07:09:33 luke-jr: (knows even less) how do you tell? Nov 11 07:10:25 luke-jr: and btw it's not supposed that a 7-8 years old really understands life. Nov 11 07:24:07 morning Nov 11 07:33:01 PaulFertser: ? Nov 11 07:33:28 luke-jr: you tell that the quote author "understands life even less than the school" Nov 11 07:34:19 PaulFertser: because life is not in the least about happiness Nov 11 07:34:30 not strictly about "work" either, but work is a lot closer Nov 11 07:35:14 luke-jr: so do you want to be an engineer or do you want to be happy? Nov 11 07:35:36 PaulFertser: irrelevant. life isn't about what I want. Nov 11 07:37:18 luke-jr: in the original quote the author was asked "what he _wanted_ to be". Nov 11 07:37:45 luke-jr: do you think that people who think tha a boy should want to be an engineer rather than happy understand the life? Nov 11 07:38:30 :) Nov 11 07:38:58 luke-jr: i see this quote as strictly anti-consumerism manifistation. Nov 11 07:39:49 luke-jr: and if you're pro-consumerism, if you agree with the way western society lives currently, well, no wonder we do not agree about the life. Nov 11 07:41:48 luke-jr: it's natural for a man to strive for happiness and if he declares this goal openly, at least that's honest. Nov 11 07:43:04 luke-jr: if he's not really religios of course. Because that's completely different topic. Nov 11 08:12:54 PaulFertser: I am certainly anti-naturalist. :) Nov 11 11:05:32 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r40e4d0509d2e 10/docs/frameworkd.conf.sample: docs: fix sample configuration so that it actually makes sense for fsodeviced Nov 11 12:47:30 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re85b267ab7bf 10/fsotimed/ (9 files in 5 dirs): fsotime: add build skeleton for two more plugins: source_ntp and sync_time Nov 11 13:19:56 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r44624a9c6107 10/fsotimed/src/plugins/sync_time/ (Makefile.am plugin.vala): fsotime: iterate through sources entry and load corresponding plugins Nov 11 13:20:28 hi all Nov 11 15:38:49 apt seen panicking Nov 11 15:38:51 panicking was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 7d 19h 24m 34s ago, saying: 'yes but ask to the and2moko channel'. Nov 11 16:04:35 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r7e7b37915a5c 10/fsotimed/ (12 files in 9 dirs): fsotimed: source_ntp: send packet to server and retrieve return packet Nov 11 16:12:23 Howdy. I'm trying to maximize a window in python- elementary but win.fullscreen_set(True) doesn't seem to work. Do you know how can I get it? pls Nov 11 16:48:42 Is distro-hopping discouraged somehow? Nov 11 16:49:13 From a "just got my Openmoko" kind of view. Nov 11 16:49:46 wtf? Nov 11 16:51:10 Could be a 2 flashes in a week break your system type of bug! The hell do I know.. Nov 11 16:52:36 skhme: that would be insane Nov 11 16:53:33 i flash 2 times a week Nov 11 16:53:59 except while android was on it Nov 11 16:54:10 * Weiss flashes the kernel about 15 times a night :o Nov 11 16:54:13 Yes it would.. Nov 11 16:54:24 android stayed on 2 weeks untill i got bored Nov 11 16:55:57 Is Qt Extended Improved still the "most ready" distro? Nov 11 16:56:20 Weiss: so I assume you're not using dfu-util then? ;-P Nov 11 17:13:31 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * recf1d8e6c54b 10/fsotimed/src/plugins/source_ntp/plugin.vala: fsotimed: ntp: convert received timestamp packet to UTC Nov 11 17:14:04 DocScrutinizer: actually I am.. haven't had any problems other than it taking two attempts most times Nov 11 17:16:24 hey folks Nov 11 17:16:31 how's the new SHR image coming along? Nov 11 18:32:53 mickey|zzZZzz, hast du den link zu dem gesamt diagramm bekommen? Nov 11 18:33:03 Good day everyone , do you now FR price of taiwan distributor Nov 11 18:35:15 oh. wrong channel. sorry Nov 11 18:41:52 Good day everyone , do you now FR price of taiwan distrbutor Nov 11 18:49:50 just wait or google it ;) Nov 11 19:03:24 hi Nov 11 19:43:44 yikes Nov 11 19:51:29 is someone here using angstrom distribution? Nov 11 19:51:52 all shr users Nov 11 20:00:55 max_posedon: what you mean with all SHR user? Nov 11 20:01:06 max_posedon: shr is not based on angstrom or yes? Nov 11 20:02:04 false, its based on angstorm Nov 11 20:03:31 max_posedon: i didn't know Nov 11 20:03:35 max_posedon: thanks Nov 11 20:03:43 max_posedon: and which distro are you using? Nov 11 20:03:55 SHR and Gentoo Nov 11 20:04:22 max_posedon: and gentoo is it working as daily? Nov 11 20:04:29 or is shr working as daily? Nov 11 20:04:59 shr as daily Nov 11 20:05:19 the old unstable or the mrmoku one? Nov 11 20:07:45 mrmoku/oemerge Nov 11 20:07:53 I even call it mrmoku/not-working) Nov 11 20:08:27 the 10 november one? Nov 11 20:08:38 max_posedon: don't you think shr is quite slow? Nov 11 20:09:24 nope. I don't Nov 11 20:09:30 actually, I don't care Nov 11 20:10:35 max_posedon: ok thanks Nov 11 20:31:00 Howdy. I'm trying to maximize a window in python- elementary but win.fullscreen_set(True) doesn't seem to work. Do you know how can I get it? pls Nov 11 21:25:03 Weiss: aah, sorry. Missed the kernel part. For 30 flashes of rootfs I guess a whole day isn't long enough :-) Nov 11 21:25:55 30 kernel flashes? dfu-day?!) Nov 11 22:39:53 an some qtmoko users Nov 11 22:42:40 On freerunner, if the phone is on a table but you apply pressure on it, would the accelerometer react despite the equal counter-pressure? Nov 11 22:44:18 skhme: huh? Nov 11 22:44:59 no Nov 11 22:45:21 if the phone does not change position or orientation, there is no output Nov 11 22:45:57 Hm, okay. Thanks. Nov 11 22:46:21 they are accelerometers Nov 11 22:46:28 it needs to be, well, accelerating somewhere Nov 11 22:49:40 So if you wanted to get the pressure you'd have to place it on soft surface (with a known density/substance to count the force needed to push move it), then count it out to get the pressure. Nov 11 22:49:58 Or well, use freefall. Nov 11 22:51:59 skhme: the touschreen detects pressure? Nov 11 22:53:04 skhme: that would work with ideal accellerometers. Nov 11 22:53:22 skhme: unfortunately, the accelerometers in the FR are far from ideal. Nov 11 22:53:44 You - generally - can't usefully use them for more than orientation. Nov 11 22:53:55 Or detecting taps on the case Nov 11 22:54:34 Integrating the accelleration twice to get the position will almost always be useless Nov 11 22:57:46 SpeedEvil: could you use them to detect hollow areas in walls? Nov 11 22:57:55 Yes. Nov 11 22:58:05 Throw FR _really_ hard at wall. Nov 11 22:58:10 SpeedEvil: there's the vibrator Nov 11 22:58:15 If it goes through, you've found a hollow spot Nov 11 22:58:20 you can use accelerometers to measure the response Nov 11 22:58:35 the accelerometers can even detect the vibration caused by the speaker Nov 11 22:58:36 Umm. In principle yes, with ideal accels. Nov 11 22:58:52 I'd want to actually try it to see if it works at all Nov 11 22:59:07 some sort of UI to display accelerometer data in realtime is needed Nov 11 22:59:17 not sure what it should do Nov 11 23:00:08 triaxial FFT, ... Nov 11 23:00:42 SpeedEvil: if you just have constant frequency in the vibrator you don't need FFT Nov 11 23:00:42 How well does the touchscreen sense pressure then? I've been thinking it's closer to an on/off accuracy. Nov 11 23:01:05 skhme: start by reading the datasheet :) Nov 11 23:02:07 lindi-: Sure - but harmonics may be useful Nov 11 23:03:25 SpeedEvil: 1) measure baseline for 15 seconds 2) start logging data 3) start vibrator for some frequency and some duration 4) stop logging data 5) remove graviton from logged data based on baseline Nov 11 23:04:27 SpeedEvil: then you could display all axes as separate plots and run FFT for each axis separately? Nov 11 23:05:12 I can't find but the driver source :/ Nov 11 23:08:47 9.1.1 OPEN-DRAIN CONFIGURATION Nov 11 23:08:47 In addition to the PORT, LAT and TRIS registers for Nov 11 23:08:47 data control, each port pin can also be individually con- Nov 11 23:08:47 figured for either digital or open-drain output. This is Nov 11 23:08:47 controlled by the Open-Drain Control register, ODCx, Nov 11 23:08:49 oops Nov 11 23:11:23 SpeedEvil: is there some simple python library for fft? Nov 11 23:13:44 no clue. Nov 11 23:13:49 Never used it. Nov 11 23:15:07 http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t332426-fft-with-python.html Nov 11 23:15:12 5 years old though.. Nov 11 23:22:07 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r21565bc2e42c 10/fsotimed/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Nov 11 23:22:07 freesmartphone.org: fsotimed: FsoTime.Source gets two signals to report time/zone Nov 11 23:22:07 freesmartphone.org: NtpSource reports the time offset after receiving Nov 11 23:27:50 openmoko: 03werner * r5711 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ecn0010.txt: Removed section on considering supplying LDO34 from IO_3V3 and added rationale. Nov 12 00:38:15 and i thought #maemo was lurk central. hey doc|home **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Nov 12 02:59:57 2009