**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 23 02:59:56 2009 Nov 23 03:00:02 what distros have you tried out ? Nov 23 03:00:11 do you have a gta02 ? Nov 23 03:00:23 most except openwrt Nov 23 03:00:28 yea Nov 23 03:00:36 which one ? i have a6 Nov 23 03:01:09 android works very well except it kills every thing when i install it Nov 23 03:01:19 kills everything ? Nov 23 03:01:22 a5 and a6 Nov 23 03:01:38 ooh! 2! awesome. Nov 23 03:01:52 takes over as in " Hotel California" Nov 23 03:02:21 i don't get it. stuff comes in and doesn't go out ? Nov 23 03:02:38 :) Nov 23 03:02:39 heh, or makes you go to the insane asylum ? Nov 23 03:02:45 :) Nov 23 03:03:06 worksa well though Nov 23 03:03:28 i think i'm fixing to put shr onto the NAND Nov 23 03:03:43 very good about connecting to the internet aan has a very good browser Nov 23 03:04:00 android Nov 23 03:04:02 ya Nov 23 03:04:31 shr is great if u dont need a webbrowser Nov 23 03:04:32 slaxxer: I guess that's what we need in order to be popular, then? :) Nov 23 03:04:34 how does it kill everything when you install it ? Nov 23 03:05:14 well this isnt a popularity contest as far as i know Nov 23 03:05:58 but browsing the web with a web device is kinda cool Nov 23 03:06:07 checking webmail and using websites for info on phone while you are out is definitely something "necessary" (but don't take my word for it, I don't even know how to spell neccessary.:) Nov 23 03:06:49 but this is still a dev device Nov 23 03:07:40 I should get busy flashing my NAND so i can turn my phone back on. Nov 23 03:07:51 gonna flash todays an see if its broken or if opkg upgrade did it Nov 23 03:09:42 i didnt get any complaints about a noise when talking on me phone with android either Nov 23 03:12:51 slaxxer so wifi works fine for you on andriod? cant seem to connect to my own wifi network Nov 23 03:13:05 yes it did Nov 23 03:13:13 slaxxer couldnt get my bluetooth headset paired either Nov 23 03:13:15 ahh hrmmm Nov 23 03:13:25 my router is open though Nov 23 03:14:14 i know it shouldnt matter but which headset do u have? Nov 23 03:14:16 i see... how did you go about installing more applications/ Nov 23 03:15:01 one of the many rooms at the "Hotel California" Nov 23 03:15:08 slaxxer motorolla motorokr s305 Nov 23 03:15:29 why are there so many .jffs2 images on http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ ? Nov 23 03:15:51 andriod can pair with it, but when i call or receive a call, nothing goes through Nov 23 03:16:35 lite and full i understand... then there are the eglibc-ipk ones. i see the two different dates. Nov 23 03:19:10 i figured it out. Nov 23 03:20:20 :) Nov 23 03:23:19 ahh damn! nm my wifi does work Nov 23 03:24:05 what kernel? Nov 23 03:24:39 me? andriod Nov 23 03:24:47 oh.. distribution Nov 23 03:25:16 :) Nov 23 03:25:35 used the web browser yet? Nov 23 03:25:45 first time Nov 23 03:25:59 it zooms easily Nov 23 03:26:17 its great Nov 23 03:26:29 huh? how do you zoom Nov 23 03:26:46 maybe panicking will port that browser to freerunner Nov 23 03:27:16 touch screen then hit the + on the lower screen Nov 23 03:27:36 :) Nov 23 03:28:16 ahh ok! Nov 23 03:28:16 shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091120-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Nov 23 03:28:29 nearly installed Nov 23 03:28:39 great isnt it Nov 23 03:28:41 sweet Nov 23 03:29:15 it's sweet, looking really forward to the .31 kernel though Nov 23 03:29:23 so where do i go to install other applications? Nov 23 03:29:26 where is it? Nov 23 03:29:31 with the new graphic stuff Nov 23 03:29:53 room 101 at 2nd floor Nov 23 03:30:42 http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/2.6.31/images/om-gta02/ but not sure what work and dont work Nov 23 03:30:50 but people say it much faster Nov 23 03:31:07 theres a problem with the arm4 - arm5 apps google has Nov 23 03:31:31 thanks i try it here pretty quick Nov 23 03:31:57 shr image 136+ megs Nov 23 03:32:58 1.8 megs?/ Nov 23 03:34:32 when I hold the AUX button down, and then POWER button, that is NOR bootloader ? and just powering the gta02 on normally is the NAND bootloader ? do i have that right ? Nov 23 03:34:43 Yes. Nov 23 03:35:13 My NOR bootloader is uboot, i'm sure. How do i see what bootloader the NAND uses ? Nov 23 03:36:08 gonzoism: Boot without holding AUX? Nov 23 03:36:19 gonzoism: Or dump it via dfu-util? Nov 23 03:36:27 well if u have a nand bootloader its uboot Nov 23 03:36:50 if u can see it i mean Nov 23 03:36:51 ok Nov 23 03:37:33 if u cant power+aux to a menu Nov 23 03:37:49 gonzoism: why do you ask? Nov 23 03:37:52 that would be Qi Nov 23 03:38:12 all I see when powering on normally is the openmoko splash screen for a second and then text starts scrolling Nov 23 03:38:38 what happens when u power+aux? Nov 23 03:38:48 i get the uboot menu Nov 23 03:39:09 there u go its uboot an not Qi Nov 23 03:39:44 nor is uboot, i understand that. because aux+power is uboot menu with uboot version at top. Nov 23 03:39:57 yup Nov 23 03:40:13 regular booting just goes straight to openmoko splash screen. I'm wondering if it has Qi installed on it. Nov 23 03:40:32 read above once again Nov 23 03:41:31 Qi has no splash screen. Also, order matters when pressing the buttons. Power first then Aux gives you the NAND u-boot menu, if you have u-boot installed in NAND Nov 23 03:41:49 if u install Qi u will lose the nand uboot Nov 23 03:42:02 oh. ok, i didn't know power + aux. i'll check that out now. Nov 23 03:42:15 :) Nov 23 03:42:51 BOOT MENU (NAND) Nov 23 03:42:58 sweet. thanks. Nov 23 03:43:17 what is with the flash of red light in the AUX button when normal booting ? Nov 23 03:43:20 very good Nov 23 03:45:16 in Qi and a working sdcard install,, it allows u to boot to the nand when pressed after power button Nov 23 03:46:01 now we will see if the 11202009 shr-u is ok Nov 23 03:47:29 Killer Nov 23 03:47:53 3 tabs at bottem like 2007.2 Nov 23 03:49:17 its best to reinstall instead of using upgrade Nov 23 03:49:50 very fast Nov 23 03:51:53 :) Nov 23 03:52:03 and that's without .31 kernel :D Nov 23 03:52:08 yup Nov 23 03:52:08 will be much better Nov 23 03:52:21 gonzoism: u-boot flashes the red LED as part of some logic that checks for battery charge and/or external power (I forget the details). Nov 23 03:52:35 thanks. nice to know. Nov 23 03:56:56 whew Nov 23 03:57:01 does anyone here use the "ip" command much ? today is the first I time I have seen it. kinda surprised me that it existed Nov 23 04:01:00 nah Nov 23 04:05:03 looks like the kernel needs some more work Nov 23 04:08:46 oh, cool. does the splash screen reside on a particular place on the gta02 ? so that you can change it daily without touching anything else ? Nov 23 04:09:19 .oO routing in tangogps! Nov 23 04:10:17 Mm. I guess I'll have to ping Marcus--looks like he's got some free time now :) Nov 23 04:11:55 it looks like it does when reading the dfu-util nand flashing instructions on the wiki. awesome ! (i'm probably wrong...) Nov 23 04:19:00 gonzoism: re:splasscreens: yes, but I think where depends on what bootloader and OS you're using. Nov 23 04:20:31 I don't *think* SHR is pushing splashscreens into the onboard NAND when I select a new splash-theme in the settings GUI..., but I could be wrong. Nov 23 04:22:05 you can't flash the NAND partitions with dfu-utils while in the NAND uboot screen, can you ? Nov 23 04:22:37 Yes you can Nov 23 04:22:53 oh. same process as NOR ? Nov 23 04:23:06 yes Nov 23 04:23:16 cool Nov 23 04:25:30 ok, so if i want to flash nand kernel, i can boot into nor uboot menu and connect and then run dfu-util command ? Nov 23 04:25:51 connect = connect usb cord Nov 23 04:26:41 You can boot to the u-boot menu via NAND or NOR. Once you've done that, you can use dfu-util to update any of the NAND partitions Nov 23 04:26:43 Sounds right. Nov 23 04:27:03 mmontour thanks, good answer. Nov 23 04:27:11 rozzin thanks too. :) Nov 23 04:28:36 I recommend using NAND u-boot when possible, because you can install a new version that fixes bugs. NOR is fixed at whatever version was installed in the factory Nov 23 04:29:26 (although I personally use Qi and have my OS on the SD-card, so I rarely use dfu-util these days) Nov 23 04:30:22 why do you do it that way ? Nov 23 04:31:07 and, can i flash nor without a debugging board ? Nov 23 04:31:32 You can do it without a debug board, but you have to open the case and ground a testpoint somewhere on the PCB Nov 23 04:31:44 You cannot flash NOR through USB. Nov 23 04:32:03 This is supposed to mean that the FreeRunner is `unbrickable'. Nov 23 04:32:41 just curious. i like nor like it is. :) seems like a really good safety net. Nov 23 04:32:45 smart. Nov 23 04:33:10 I like having the OS on the SD card because there's more space (I have a 16G card now) and it's easy to re-install new images Nov 23 04:33:56 I have a small kernel+rootfs in NAND which exports the uSD card as a usb-storage device, so I can reformat and mount it on my host PC, then un-tar new images onto it Nov 23 04:34:30 mmontour: Clever. Nov 23 04:37:24 i got a 8 gig card today and had the same idea in mind. I don't see a reason to install Qi though. Nov 23 04:37:51 i'm putting shr into nand for a more usable backup that i can depend on. Nov 23 04:38:32 i'd like to have 4 partitions and 3 os's installed if 2 gig is enough for each. and the 4th partition i'll use for /home/ Nov 23 04:39:41 how do you tell uboot to boot different partitions on the card ? i'm thinking that is something i'm gonna have to read up on, and possibly upgrade to the newest uboot to be able to do. Nov 23 04:40:15 You'll need to create a menu entry to boot each partition. It should be on the wiki somewhere Nov 23 04:40:32 i was thinking that too. i'll find it and read it. Nov 23 04:40:47 why did you choose qi ? Nov 23 04:41:38 At one time it looked like Qi was going to be an "official" openmoko solution, and that u-boot would become obsolete Nov 23 04:41:39 gonzoism: If you install Qi, some things are easier to configure-- Nov 23 04:42:11 Also it "just works" for my configuration (only 1 OS at a time). If you're multi-booting then u-boot would be a better choice Nov 23 04:42:17 like kernel boot parameters, and alternate boot options. Nov 23 04:43:19 because Qi reads whatever filesystems are on the SD card and NAND, and can read options from a textfile in the filesystem; Nov 23 04:43:51 do yall think they will make the gta03 ? nobody sounds very optimistic. Nov 23 04:44:03 whereas, to set new options on u-boot, you have to reboot and use dfu-util. Nov 23 04:44:45 rozzin that makes sense. uboot seems like lilo, and qi like grub, in that respect. Nov 23 04:45:20 gonzoism: Yeah, something like that. Nov 23 04:45:59 gonzoism: There are a couple of kernel parameters that are set in the default load of u-boot that actually caused problems for me: Nov 23 04:46:16 rozzin: if i want a menu entry for each os i have on the usd, rather than the fat + ext2 entry, i'll have to reconfigure uboot and then flash it onto nand, right ? Nov 23 04:47:19 one being a parameter that forces the root filesystem type to ext2, even if it's actually ext3 or ext4 (forcing it to ext2 means that it's unjournalled, and that it needs to be fsck'd after a hard shutdown or crash) Nov 23 04:48:06 Configuration parameters including menu entries are stored in a "u-boot_env" partition. There are tools to edit this, or you can use the u-boot command line interface. You'll probably need to install a newer u-boot binary as well (older versions couldn't boot from large-capacity cards) Nov 23 04:48:20 Oh, using Qi also made the ethernet/USB work correctly (i.e.: get a real MAC address) Nov 23 04:48:44 gonzoism: What he said :) Nov 23 04:48:56 how many partitions are on the nand ? Nov 23 04:49:10 there'll be no gta03 Nov 23 04:49:20 bummer. Nov 23 04:49:46 why are people still working on the project ? PR ? Nov 23 04:50:07 i think i read that he has kept 2 staffers on it ?... Nov 23 04:50:20 nope Nov 23 04:50:22 gonzoism: the one area where I find that u-boot excels is that it can turn the LCD on and present a visible menu, whereas Qi just has a funny `hit the AUX button at the right time to skip to the next partition' thing. Nov 23 04:50:38 gta03 is completely abandoned Nov 23 04:50:52 NAND partitions: u-boot, u-boot_env, splash, factory, kernel, rootfs (not sure about the order) Nov 23 04:51:05 and OM out of phone designing business Nov 23 04:51:43 DocScrutinizer bummer. i wonder how many more units they have before selling out. Nov 23 04:51:55 Maybe they'll do something when/if they can afford it. Nov 23 04:51:55 infinite Nov 23 04:52:21 nope, don't hold your breath Nov 23 04:53:16 the time window for a small company to come up with a free phone has passed Nov 23 04:53:20 DocScrutinizer: right, that's the idea. `just buy a FreeRunner already' :) Nov 23 04:54:21 infinite is an odd answer... i wonder if the wording of my question ("before selling out") made it possible. :) would you elaborate ? Nov 23 04:54:43 * rozzin is happy with his. Nov 23 04:54:59 i'm happy with mine. i love it. i loved it a year before i got it. Nov 23 04:55:22 there being a phone on it made it that much better. :) Nov 23 04:56:25 there being a phone on it makes it possible to turn it into a wireless router. Nov 23 04:57:35 gonzoism: Have you tried coova-chilli? Nov 23 04:57:49 no. googling it now. Nov 23 04:58:28 Nice tool for setting up and running portable wifi hotspots :) Nov 23 04:59:51 gonzoism: the statistics seem to indicate the sells/month curve hits the ground before stock gets substantially diminished Nov 23 05:00:46 so sellout will never happen, which is another wording for infinite stock Nov 23 05:01:02 makes sense Nov 23 05:02:11 gonzoism: In other words, buy as many as you want--you're not hurting anyone by doing so ;) Nov 23 05:02:21 and even *if* OM will ever be sold out, it's probably worth then to make another few K Nov 23 05:03:12 We already have A8 version ;-) Nov 23 05:03:51 rozzin: what is that hotspot thing that they were selling ? i think it was running openwrt. it was using like ad-hoc to provide net to units, then broadcasting it out for users. and they could use paypal to purchase internet access from the router... moreka or somthing.... Nov 23 05:03:57 moroku... Nov 23 05:04:00 though I guess OM wouldn't dare to manuf that version if they ever needed more than stock. A7 is proven Nov 23 05:04:35 someone said that the buzz on buzzfixed a7 was worse than the bugfix on a6 Nov 23 05:04:59 probably it's been me ;-) Nov 23 05:05:15 but nevermind Nov 23 05:05:19 DocScrutinizer: A8 being the version with bug #1024 fixed? Nov 23 05:05:44 gonzoism: that who were selling? Nov 23 05:05:51 i would have gotten an a7 if they had been available. Nov 23 05:05:56 nah, 1024 hasn't foind it's way into A8 prototypes Nov 23 05:06:04 rozzin: just found it... meraki.net kind of interesting. Nov 23 05:06:13 meraki.com sorry. Nov 23 05:06:39 maybe if the wikireader does well then things might change as far as gta03 or something better Nov 23 05:06:40 DocScrutinizer: so what's A8? Nov 23 05:06:45 probably something similar to fonero? Nov 23 05:06:55 people were hooking them up to solar panels and using them for hotspots everywhere with no wires needed. Nov 23 05:07:54 A8 has a completely new microphone, and buzzfix beads, and 4.7uF on headset (bass issue) Nov 23 05:08:30 gonzoism: Did you find coova-chilli? Nov 23 05:08:37 except from the solar panels Nov 23 05:09:17 the solar panels were community idea, that they adapted, iirc Nov 23 05:10:00 rozzin: yep, bookmarked it. reading about it too. though it seems simpler to just use iptables and dnsmasq in a script. Nov 23 05:11:24 rozzin: i guess it makes it simpler to make changes than to wade through a script, especially for people not familiar with iptables. Nov 23 05:13:38 rozzin: DocScrutinizer-8looks like there is a version Nov 23 05:13:39 ## Signoff #openmoko: katcho ("Leaving.") Nov 23 05:13:39 DocScrutinizer bummer. i wonder how many more units they have before selling out. Nov 23 05:13:39 Maybe they'll do something when/if they can afford it. Nov 23 05:13:39 infinite Nov 23 05:13:56 * gonzoism is gone. Gone since Sun Nov 22 21:08:00 2009 Nov 23 05:14:00 oh man. sorry Nov 23 05:14:12 :) Nov 23 05:14:16 i was trying to paste a link to the coovachilli Nov 23 05:14:53 ya, sorry. Nov 23 05:17:47 http://coova.org/CoovaChilli looks like they have a version for phones at http://www.coova.com/CoovaSX Nov 23 05:18:26 installed the .31 kernel an have no gsm Nov 23 05:18:53 do i need the modules from shr-unstable ? Nov 23 05:19:34 no Nov 23 05:19:35 i don't think so. i guess they are available because the kernel is seperate from the filesystem. Nov 23 05:19:38 thanks Nov 23 05:19:55 slaxxer, yep. because of changed /sys pathes Nov 23 05:20:01 ok Nov 23 05:20:04 slaxxer: how are you doing kernel upgrades ? just compiling them on your computer ? Nov 23 05:20:23 no using the provided ones Nov 23 05:20:43 flashing using dfu Nov 23 05:21:01 are they coming from the shr project ? Nov 23 05:21:20 yes Nov 23 05:21:39 http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/2.6.31/images/om-gta02/ Nov 23 05:22:09 that one no gsm for me Nov 23 05:23:24 tried it twice Nov 23 05:24:18 oooo newer images just posted Nov 23 05:24:24 heh, yay! Nov 23 05:24:53 i think they are the same though Nov 23 05:48:51 about how long does it take to dfu-util 137 mb ? flashing full-shr onto my gta02. Nov 23 05:49:07 i'm thinking 30 minutes. Nov 23 05:49:12 28 minuits Nov 23 05:49:17 less Nov 23 05:50:28 u didnt time it:) Nov 23 05:57:52 i would have timed the kernel upgrade, but at the moment, i was flashing a new kernel to my stopwatch.... :P Nov 23 06:03:11 so with an image in nand, can i write to it, or do i have to save my changes somewhere else ? Nov 23 06:08:18 You can write to the NAND filesystem. Nov 23 06:09:02 thanks Nov 23 06:09:26 If you re-flash a new image you will of course overwrite any saved data, unless you manually back it up first. Nov 23 06:14:28 shr is friendly Nov 23 06:15:40 i made an adapter cord for my cardreader (short) Nov 23 06:17:07 opkg upgrade failed 2 times Nov 23 06:17:08 got a pic ? Nov 23 06:17:16 na Nov 23 06:18:34 where does "quick launch" go ? Nov 23 06:19:28 i used a usb extension cord an cut the male end off an discarded then soldered an srinked a mini male to it Nov 23 06:19:46 *shrinked Nov 23 06:20:15 3 " Nov 23 06:20:58 29 minuites to flash 142.5megs Nov 23 06:22:25 got the latest 20091122 mrmoku .jffs2 an the .31 kernel Nov 23 06:23:23 how is gps ? Nov 23 06:23:32 not booted yet Nov 23 06:23:51 and my gps ant. lead is broken Nov 23 06:24:02 so i cant test Nov 23 06:24:40 inside the phone, or the cord coming out of the antanea ? Nov 23 06:24:49 inside Nov 23 06:24:57 how did it break ? Nov 23 06:25:17 i changed the screen an broke the micro connector off Nov 23 06:25:27 me:) Nov 23 06:26:00 still no gsm Nov 23 06:26:16 how did you change the screen, and are you gonna fix the antanea ? Nov 23 06:27:15 i used some toothpics to slowly seperate the screen thats attached with thin 2 sided tape Nov 23 06:27:28 from the pcb Nov 23 06:27:44 yes i will repair Nov 23 06:28:02 still no gsm Nov 23 06:30:24 really needed some narrow plastic or nylon stake to seperate yhe screen Nov 23 06:32:50 i mean, why did you change it ? break it ? Nov 23 06:33:00 yes Nov 23 06:33:09 aw. Nov 23 06:33:14 did you want to cry ? Nov 23 06:33:21 naa Nov 23 06:33:33 i would have been heart broken. :( Nov 23 06:34:05 tools break Nov 23 06:34:51 but only when u working:) Nov 23 06:35:08 ya. mine is a toy... Nov 23 06:35:20 now i turn the screen towards me Nov 23 06:35:45 were you setting it face down before, or what ? Nov 23 06:35:54 i was stacking limbs with freerunner in my pocket Nov 23 06:36:05 i get it Nov 23 06:37:01 uImage-2.6.29-oe11+gitr119860+8c65792a5c83c76d662a617a7c4e1ae8104bb6a5-r3.5-om-gta02.bin Nov 23 06:37:20 that image works with latest shr Nov 23 06:37:42 what is with the long string of numbers ? Nov 23 06:38:34 i'm guessing a commit number. Nov 23 06:39:01 or md5sum maybe Nov 23 06:39:13 lol, quick way to figure that out... Nov 23 06:39:29 no gsm with the .31 kernel Nov 23 06:39:43 who is mrmoku ? Nov 23 06:39:58 user panicking i think Nov 23 06:40:18 have u used the wiki? Nov 23 06:40:29 it's a git revision-identifier. Nov 23 06:40:34 for the last 3 days. i'm reading like crazy. Nov 23 06:40:51 grains of salt required Nov 23 06:41:07 git uses sha1 checksums to identify revisions. Nov 23 06:41:43 im guessing thats better than md5sums? Nov 23 06:42:12 Yes, sha1 can be considered a successor to md5. Nov 23 06:42:29 better security? Nov 23 06:42:30 It's bigger, for one :) Nov 23 06:43:21 The git people think that using hashes to identify revisions protects them from conflicts due to distributed development. Nov 23 06:43:47 can we do edge ? (3G) Nov 23 06:43:58 a dongle Nov 23 06:44:11 Not with the FreeRunner's inbuilt modem we can't. Nov 23 06:44:24 the dongle provides the hardware ? Nov 23 06:44:29 But we can use a USB dongle, with the right adaptor. Nov 23 06:44:36 Yes; Nov 23 06:44:54 dont use a hard adapter Nov 23 06:45:09 these are USB GSM-modem devices; Nov 23 06:45:41 is driver development for them maintained by either shr or kernel developers ? Nov 23 06:45:48 they're sold for use with laptops. Nov 23 06:46:08 I'd guess that they work with the standard USB-modem driver, no? Nov 23 06:46:23 dont know Nov 23 06:46:23 i was thinking so, but kinda unsure about all this stuff. Nov 23 06:47:02 There's information out there, somewhere. Nov 23 06:47:06 yep Nov 23 06:47:33 they can get kind-of expensive. Nov 23 06:47:49 i've used the dongles in linux boxes for internet. very plug and play. used pppd on them. very simple. Nov 23 06:47:57 Not to mention that it's an ugly solution :) Nov 23 06:48:21 With a USB stick stickout out of the side of the FreeRunner :) Nov 23 06:48:28 didn't know if you could make calls with them, though. Nov 23 06:48:46 and an adapter so that the usb fits... very ugly. Nov 23 06:48:53 gonzoism: the FreeRunner's internal modem is used exactly the same way. Nov 23 06:49:02 neat Nov 23 06:49:28 It's sitting behind a little serial port, inside the FR :) Nov 23 06:50:15 thats why i made the adapter cord Nov 23 06:50:25 for 3g ? Nov 23 06:50:41 I don't get what the big deal about 3g is anway :p Nov 23 06:50:46 me neither. Nov 23 06:51:13 slaxxer: you made the adapter cord for 3g ? or just to get the ugly to stop ? :) Nov 23 06:51:39 That's a fantastic phrase: "to get the ugly to stop". Nov 23 06:51:49 I may steal that :) Nov 23 06:52:06 get the ugly break everything in 1 stroke syndrome Nov 23 06:52:08 i got a kick out of it too. i just came up with it, just now. Nov 23 06:54:55 shr doesn't seem to write to my sim card. and the "contacts" application seems to have a lot of bugs. if i wanted to read abou that, would that be in the shr wiki, or is that some sort of FSO or something ? Nov 23 06:59:57 OE... not FSO. is that a part of the Open Embedded project or some other project or is it SHR ? Nov 23 07:01:25 like the dialer, the "Contacts" and Sms programs. and phone log. Nov 23 07:02:21 not working? Nov 23 07:03:06 well, I would like to read up on them to see if i am using them wrong, or to follow their development. Nov 23 07:04:35 I add contacts, and it doesn't save them to the simm card. and i have sms messages that shouldn't be coming in. i assume they are being stored on a server somewhere or are stored on the sim(phone) card/chip. really old messages from before my freerunner. Nov 23 07:04:54 also, sometimes i can't add contacts. Nov 23 07:05:16 did ya reboot once? Nov 23 07:05:35 u have a sim? Nov 23 07:05:40 and when somebody calls, it doesn't recognize their number as one of my contacts because the calling number (caller id) has a 1 in front of it. Nov 23 07:05:59 i have a sim, its not in. i haven't rebooted since flashing my nand with newest shr. Nov 23 07:06:16 today was first time i've flashed my nand. 3rd day with phone. Nov 23 07:06:37 well u proly wont be able to connect usb unless u reboot Nov 23 07:06:49 ok. Nov 23 07:07:01 is usb necessary ? Nov 23 07:07:26 i mean, i don't understand why you are mentioning that. Nov 23 07:07:26 see if u can write to sd that way Nov 23 07:07:42 not usd, but the phone card for service. Nov 23 07:07:57 the phone chip. Nov 23 07:07:59 /media/card Nov 23 07:08:06 yeah, not media card. Nov 23 07:08:07 oo Nov 23 07:09:29 what is the phone card called ? and, i think the media card is called the usd. usd being like an 8 gig microSD ? Nov 23 07:10:03 morning Nov 23 07:10:10 morning Nov 23 07:11:05 gonzoism: The sim or the microsd? Nov 23 07:11:30 both. what do we refer to them as ? Nov 23 07:11:44 sim or the microsd Nov 23 07:11:49 correct Nov 23 07:12:03 usd is exchangable for microsd ? Nov 23 07:12:37 "u" is an ASCII approximation of the greek letter "mu", which is the symbol for "micro" Nov 23 07:12:49 So yes "usd" == "microsd" Nov 23 07:13:13 awesome Nov 23 07:14:15 so, are the dialer, sms program, and contacts program, maintained by shr or somebody else, like OE ? Nov 23 07:17:11 it seems that if we are going to have 3 tabs at the bottom of homepage for dialer,contacts,messages ,,then theres no need for desktop icons Nov 23 07:17:55 atleast those 3 Nov 23 07:19:00 when i installed the same thing to usd 2 or 3 days ago, those weren't on the screen.... Nov 23 07:19:48 also a lot of other little differences. Nov 23 08:11:57 gonzoism: got that proof? :) Nov 23 08:31:14 raster: nope, haven't seen him online. Nov 23 08:31:43 and dunno where his number went. somehow, he got a phone number for my local area code with him in canada. Nov 23 08:31:46 but i lost it. Nov 23 08:32:42 he works a lot lately. he'll be around. Nov 23 08:41:29 gonzoism: aaah. ok. i'll wait :) Nov 23 08:41:52 how should i change my default shell ? edit /etc/passwd and /etc/passwd- ? Nov 23 08:42:05 raster: i'm waiting too ! Nov 23 08:47:15 gonzoism: chsh Nov 23 08:48:11 thanks Nov 23 08:50:12 doesn't seem to be a package for that. how do i search for a package that would provide that with opkg ? Nov 23 11:34:20 DocScrutinizer, hi Nov 23 11:34:21