**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 01 02:59:58 2009
Dec 01 05:31:21 <KenYoung> A new version (2.7) of the orrery program has been uploaded to the usual locations.
Dec 01 05:33:15 <slaxxer> does todays shr -u   use opkg ok?
Dec 01 05:33:26 <slaxxer> opkg upgrade i mean
Dec 01 05:46:34 <zeroedout> kenyoung: on what I think is the downlaod ("Descàrrega") page (projects.openmoko.org), there is a version 2.8 that is 3mins behind 2.7
Dec 01 05:47:40 <KenYoung> zeroedout, Yeah, sorry.   That was a mistake, and I don't think I can remove the bogus 2.8.   Both the 2.8 and 2.7 ipk files are the same (and are actually 2.7)
Dec 01 05:49:00 <slaxxer> why?
Dec 01 05:49:13 <zeroedout> lol, awesome. just makin sure it's known. I love orrery btw, i've had so many fun nights pointing out constellations to friends
Dec 01 05:49:14 <KenYoung> slaxxer, I did an opkg upgrade about one week ago on an SHR phone, and it worked.
Dec 01 05:49:34 <slaxxer> failed a week ago for me
Dec 01 05:49:54 <KenYoung> zeroedout, I'm VERY happy to hear that.    Please send suggestions for new features you'd like to see added to the program.
Dec 01 05:50:59 <slaxxer> everybody has a gps but nobody has an orrery
Dec 01 05:51:21 <slaxxer> i guess iphone does
Dec 01 05:52:43 <slaxxer> The following packages conflict with openssh:
Dec 01 05:52:44 <slaxxer>          *  dropbear *
Dec 01 05:53:13 <KenYoung> slaxxer, Yes, the iPhone has some beautiful astronomy aps.   I look at them from time to time, in order to steal ideas.
Dec 01 05:54:26 <KenYoung> slaxxer, I have found the best thing to do about that is install openssh as an individual package, and them remove dropbear.
Dec 01 05:54:48 <KenYoung> I don't like dropbear, because it won't forward X11.
Dec 01 05:55:55 <KenYoung> slaxxer, http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/nslu2-linux/replacing-dropbear-with-openssh.html
Dec 01 05:56:04 <slaxxer> i think i will flash anyways
Dec 01 05:56:12 <slaxxer> o
Dec 01 05:56:15 <slaxxer> ok
Dec 01 06:02:29 <johnsu01> how do I get SHR to stop suspending when it's plugged in to USB power?
Dec 01 06:11:14 <zeroedout> I thought it was fixed by now so opkg upgrade, but ifnot you just boot without a usb cable plugged in. Worse case- plug in, go to shr-settings, power, disable auto-suspend
Dec 01 06:11:46 <johnsu01> opkg upgrade just gave me a kernel that wouldn't boot
Dec 01 06:11:54 <johnsu01> and the dropbear error
Dec 01 06:12:51 <KenYoung> Sorry to hear that!
Dec 01 06:13:32 <johnsu01> heh me too :)
Dec 01 06:15:17 <johnsu01> trying again, because the kernel problem may have been suspend kicking in during the upgrade
Dec 01 06:16:37 <slaxxer> yup
Dec 01 06:16:56 <slaxxer> turn off auto suspend
Dec 01 06:17:20 <slaxxer> i upgraded from 20091126
Dec 01 06:17:34 <slaxxer> lite
Dec 01 06:18:34 <slaxxer> maybe the latest will sound better,, it seems that 2-3 months ago my gsm sounded a lot better
Dec 01 06:19:07 <slaxxer> i need to flash my firmwaree i guess
Dec 01 07:08:35 <beer1> morning
Dec 01 07:50:12 <methril> good morning
Dec 01 08:54:31 <naquan> hi everyone, I installed SHR on my freerunner  and I can't use mp3 file as ringtone, is this normal, the itone can play mp3 file well but when i choose an mp3 file as ringtone it isn't played. should i use other format or update anything?
Dec 01 09:21:57 <Heinervdm> naquan: you have to install gst-plugin-mad
Dec 01 09:23:31 <naquan> Heinervdm: thank you
Dec 01 09:39:37 <naquan> Uhm, when I connect via USB network, the new kernel register as eth instead of usb0, and now the udev register the link device as eth8 even though it's empty from eth1 to eth7 :( can i reset this counting?
Dec 01 09:39:56 <lindi-> naquan: learn to configure udev :)
Dec 01 09:40:01 <lindi-> naquan: grep -r eth8 /etc
Dec 01 09:40:16 <lindi-> (nothing openmoko specific here really)
Dec 01 09:41:50 <naquan> lindi: sorry if it's unrelated, but the old testing version stay with usb0 and won't count. thank you for your help
Dec 01 09:43:50 <lindi-> naquan: yes it's related to changes in the ethernet gadget configuration
Dec 01 09:44:05 <lindi-> naquan: my phone uses the 'neo' interface :)
Dec 01 09:45:01 <naquan> lindi: wow, how can i change the interface name?
Dec 01 09:45:46 <lindi-> naquan: grep -r eth8 /etc to find out the file
Dec 01 09:47:33 <naquan> lindi: in my phone? or is it in the computer? I found "/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules" in my ubuntu.
Dec 01 09:47:49 <lindi-> naquan: on your computer
Dec 01 09:47:52 <lindi-> naquan: right file
Dec 01 09:48:11 <lindi-> naquan: wouldn't it be scary if your phone could rename interfaces on your PC just by plugging it in? ;)
Dec 01 09:50:28 <naquan> lindi: yes, it's really scary, :) i wonder what is the change from the testing kernel to the new one.
Dec 01 09:51:10 <lindi-> naquan: git will tell you
Dec 01 09:51:21 <lindi-> naquan: learn it and look for changes to *ether* files
Dec 01 09:51:44 <lindi-> naquan: or compare lsusb -vvv output and you'll see the difference if you can boot old
Dec 01 10:06:38 <naquan> lindi: "udev: renamed network interface eth1 to neo" :) thank you
Dec 01 11:50:31 <ftn> Hello there. Is it still possible to have the buzz fix done in Spain?, pls
Dec 01 11:51:03 <soltys> ftn: if you were in Poland it would be possible ;)
Dec 01 11:51:18 <ftn> doguht!
Dec 01 11:51:50 <soltys> I'm not in spain so I can't do it ;P
Dec 01 11:51:52 <ftn> I read about a german? distributor who is doing it but it's around 40 euros plus sipping
Dec 01 11:52:02 <soltys> but maybe there is someone who can
Dec 01 11:52:22 <ftn> umm, alright, thx
Dec 01 12:56:43 <pbaxter> hi all
Dec 01 16:57:49 <JayPro> whats the most popular distribution used on the Freerunner?
Dec 01 16:57:52 <JayPro> Andriod 'feels' too slow... thinking about installing QT Moko partly because of it's based on debian
Dec 01 16:59:03 <skhme> SHR according to wiki.openmoko
Dec 01 16:59:43 <Heinervdm> JayPro: http://doodle.com/sd2c8d8snr23eeqq
Dec 01 17:14:58 <JayPro> oh okay thanks. ive seen that before but wasnt sure if it was accurate now
Dec 01 18:43:33 <Zeti> hi folks
Dec 01 18:48:57 <PBeck> hi
Dec 01 18:51:48 <Zeti> is there any interesting blog about fr software issues?
Dec 01 18:51:57 <Zeti> eg. notable applications, major releases of OS
Dec 01 18:51:59 <Zeti> etc.
Dec 01 18:52:00 <Zeti> ?
Dec 01 18:54:10 <Martix> Zeti: in english is mostly wiki
Dec 01 20:24:13 <Fox_Muldr> somewhere i read that with latest shr-u apmd should not be installed anymore. but i upgraded now and there were a newer apmd version installed. is this correct or should i deinstall apmd?
Dec 01 20:33:07 <rddDavid51> hi all,
Dec 01 20:34:56 <rddDavid51> I would like to install openssh server but I wonder if I'll need to type a pwd at boot type and if so when and with which keyboard
Dec 01 20:35:29 <max_posedon> you wouldn't
Dec 01 20:35:57 <rddDavid51> great
Dec 01 20:36:45 <mmontour_> openssh's default config will not permit an empty password. You can set a password, change the config option, or use public-key authentication
Dec 01 20:37:19 <rddDavid51> from now on, I even don't get the pin dialog on the latest shr but every thing else works. any suggestions on that point ?
Dec 01 20:38:08 <mmontour_> I don't know anything about pin dialog.
Dec 01 20:40:15 <rddDavid51> mmontour_, max_posedon: this mean that if I set a pwd, when my phone boots I won't need to type the pwd but when I'll log through ssh I'll need except if I use public-key auth or change config ? do I get it right ?
Dec 01 20:41:02 <max_posedon> rddDavid51, smth like this, yes
Dec 01 20:41:21 <rddDavid51> ok, I'll go for it
Dec 01 20:43:08 <rddDavid51> any idea for the pin ? As I can't use my fr as a phone, I'm stuck to the previous version of shr-u that I can't even update or on which I can't add any new packages 
Dec 01 20:43:28 <rddDavid51> who may I ask for that ?
Dec 01 20:46:16 <max_posedon> as i know, version from 2days ago worls
Dec 01 20:47:37 <rddDavid51> it seems that nobody has this problem but I don't know where to look in logs or config files
Dec 01 20:53:30 <JayPro> hrmm... if you guys aren't using your freerunner as a phone, then what are you using it for? which applications?
Dec 01 20:55:18 <rddDavid51> JayPro: I use it as a phone but not with the latest shr-u :-(
Dec 01 20:57:41 <JayPro> rddDavid51 it's all good. im on andriod hehe gonna try qt moko when i get home
Dec 01 20:58:03 <UndrWater2> max_posedon: are you using it?
Dec 01 20:58:28 <max_posedon> UndrWater2, yes and now
Dec 01 20:58:40 <max_posedon> I use it, but I disabled pin security on sim
Dec 01 20:59:14 <UndrWater2> dialer, messages crash
Dec 01 20:59:14 <UndrWater2> and contacts
Dec 01 20:59:48 <max_posedon> works for me, but version really from suterday, or smth like this
Dec 01 21:05:02 <UndrWater2> then don't update ;)
Dec 01 21:06:40 <rddDavid51> I have this kind of messages in frameworkd.log : ogsmd.device         INFO     org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Status: {'strength': 86, 'mode': 'automatic', 'registration': 'denied'}
Dec 01 21:07:16 <rddDavid51> do anyone can check the value of registration ?
Dec 01 21:07:31 <rddDavid51> in his log 
Dec 01 21:10:42 <UndrWater2> a moment
Dec 01 21:10:47 <UndrWater2> where is the log located?
Dec 01 21:11:37 <UndrWater2> 'strength': 79, 'mode': 'automatic', 'registration': 'home'}
Dec 01 21:12:13 <rddDavid51> thx, according to this http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.html;hb=HEAD#GetStatus
Dec 01 21:12:54 <rddDavid51> I think network is not reachable 
Dec 01 21:13:15 <UndrWater2> permitted one...can you register with different phone?
Dec 01 21:13:28 <rddDavid51> but previous shr-u register right on my desk, I need to dig that a little more
Dec 01 21:21:35 <UndrWater2> maybe update?  but that killed me
Dec 01 21:21:38 <rddDavid51> ok, I have registration: home with shr-u 200990926
Dec 01 21:22:09 <UndrWater2> maybe wait a couple of weeks before using the current
Dec 01 21:22:10 <rddDavid51> I just updated half an hour ago ... 
Dec 01 21:22:25 <rddDavid51> but it was already broken for me
Dec 01 21:23:29 <rddDavid51> maybe I'll ask on openmoko-cdevel or on ML somebody may have a clue 
Dec 01 21:23:39 <UndrWater2> me too...dialer, messags, nor contacts open...
Dec 01 22:27:48 <UndrWater2> hrm...fixed
Dec 01 22:47:20 <daramarak> I have stopped receiving SMS's on my FR, anyone got a clue what is happening?
Dec 01 22:49:11 <max_posedon> you updated today?
Dec 01 22:54:01 <daramarak> sorry about disconnection, got a louse hotel connection. I haven't upgraded for a while. Could not afford to loose ffa-alarm
Dec 01 22:54:31 <daramarak> s/louse/lousy
Dec 02 00:39:38 <pieterc> mickey|zzZZzz: you're here?
Dec 02 02:20:27 <muxe> Hi. I just flashed SHR unstable and I don't get a gps fix, anybody else has/had this problem?
Dec 02 02:24:27 <muxe> uh sorry! It just took ages
Dec 02 02:25:13 <rozzin> ages?
Dec 02 02:25:56 <muxe> like 10minutes ;)
Dec 02 02:26:13 <rozzin> Wow--that is a while.
Dec 02 02:26:44 <rozzin> Were you indoors or something?
Dec 02 02:27:51 <muxe> yep, with my antenna at the window, but even this way I got some satellites without a fix pretty soon. this time (in tangogps) display kept showing 0/0/0
Dec 02 02:28:15 <muxe> maybe its very cloudy today
Dec 02 02:55:05 <naquan> excuse me, I have 2 ext2 partitions on my uSD, I used scp to copy the rootfs tar.gz to a partition and tried to extract it using "gzip -dc modules-...tar.gz | tar -xf - -C /media/mmc1", i got the "gzip: error inflating tar: short read" error and don't know how to solve it, could you please help me?
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