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Dec 10 03:07:42 <naquan> skhme: new SHR version disable auto-suspend when you plug the USB cable in
Dec 10 03:08:22 <skhme> How new? It started after flashing.. wonder if I flashed an older one.
Dec 10 03:16:48 <naquan> skhme: the latest is 12-4-2009, but i think that feature may be already in older version.
Dec 10 03:17:35 <skhme> /etc/shr-version Time Stamp is 30 Nov 2009
Dec 10 03:31:18 <naquan> skhme: did you extract the module....tar.gz file and reboot the phone?
Dec 10 03:32:08 <skhme> I just used neotools :\
Dec 10 03:33:17 <skhme> So I didn't use the compressed file.
Dec 10 03:33:41 <skhme> Basically followed the wiki documentary on getting started.
Dec 10 03:38:14 <naquan> skhme: it is not the rootfs.tar.gz, it's the kernel modules modules-....tar.gz, it contain some of the driver for the kernel
Dec 10 03:38:32 <naquan> skhme: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual
Dec 10 03:40:09 <naquan> skhme: you should download the modules with the same version as your kernel image and extract in your root file system, or else something will not work properly.
Dec 10 03:40:33 <skhme> Seems I've been lacking them all along.
Dec 10 03:41:01 <skhme> I guess I'll re-read the manual.  Thanks :p
Dec 10 03:41:43 <naquan> you're welcome :)
Dec 10 04:01:29 <skhme> Is there a way to save your messages on somewhere else than the Sim?
Dec 10 04:12:11 <gonzoism> skhme: you could scp them to another box.  i save mine to the micro sd card.  cp -a /etc/freesmartphone/opim/ /media/card/ 
Dec 10 04:13:14 <gonzoism> i do that often.  it backs up my address book, messages, call log, and other stuff to the microSD card, and i can restore them across reinstalls.
Dec 10 04:23:47 <skhme> I was thinking more in the lines of ignoring the whole SMS on the sim-card part. I get too many messages for that really to be efficient. I guess you could script the process but that'd feel more like a workaround than the solution :p
Dec 10 04:25:59 <skhme> I'll get back to it later. Sleep ->
Dec 10 04:48:57 <Martijn_> hi, does anyone know when there will be a new release of the openmoko smart phone?
Dec 10 04:50:58 <gonzoism> it is rumored that there will not be another phone released by openmoko.  i see the a7 gsm900 model that has come out recently.  i'm keeping my fingers crossed.  a lot of people say the hardware is outdated.  i don't think so.
Dec 10 04:52:24 <rozzin> "it is rumored". Pshaw.
Dec 10 04:52:49 <Martijn_> yeah, but i cannot wait _that_ long on a new phone
Dec 10 04:52:51 <gonzoism> i can't see openmoko flat out saying anywhere.  i'd love an official source.
Dec 10 04:53:17 <Martijn_> sad that we do not know
Dec 10 04:54:03 <rozzin> Though, personally..., I have a hard time imagining them investing in a successor until they've been able to do something with the stock of FreeRunners that they have :)
Dec 10 04:54:24 <rozzin> Martijn_: Do you have a Freerunner yet?
Dec 10 04:54:41 <Martijn_> rozzin, nope, but i would like to have one...
Dec 10 04:55:40 <rozzin> Martijn_: Depending on what your expectations are (what you're really looking for), it may or may not be a good device.
Dec 10 04:55:50 <Martijn_> i see
Dec 10 04:56:04 <rozzin> Opinions vary from "awesome" to "embarassing".
Dec 10 04:56:42 <gonzoism> mine is awesome.
Dec 10 04:57:05 <rozzin> It works great for me, and it enables me to do all sorts of things that I couldn't otherwise do,
Dec 10 04:57:41 <Martijn_> :) thanks for sharing this with me
Dec 10 04:57:43 <rozzin> and it enables me to develop things that I couldn't develop with a more restricted definition of "open",
Dec 10 04:58:08 <gonzoism> i dislike that it cannot do binary sms.  that is really my only big gripe.  i'm using it as my only phone.  the majority of the people i talk to say that it sounds perfect on their end.  calls sound good on my end.  my sister is the only one that complains about quality, and she heard it before i started tweaking it.
Dec 10 04:58:19 <rozzin> but it's not necessarily much to *look at*.
Dec 10 04:59:46 <gonzoism> http://unsyncopated.com/wiki/Doom%20Port   <---- everyone seems impressed with that.     also, you can install debian on it and have access to every debian app.
Dec 10 05:00:17 <Martijn_> yeah i think i will wait on the newest version because that will have a camera on bourd
Dec 10 05:00:26 <Martijn_> boars
Dec 10 05:00:29 <Martijn_> board
Dec 10 05:00:53 <rozzin> Martijn_: There is no such thing currently scheduled.
Dec 10 05:01:02 <gonzoism> will there be a next version ?  i don't know of it.
Dec 10 05:01:23 <gonzoism> i got mine 3 weeks ago.  i'm a happy camper.
Dec 10 05:01:51 <rozzin> Ages ago, there was a lot of (speculative) talk about `gta03' and what may or may not go into it;
Dec 10 05:02:21 <Martijn_> well, this page is saying that there will be something like this in the upcoming release http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03
Dec 10 05:02:24 <rozzin> and a lot of people misunderstood that as being some sort of announcement,
Dec 10 05:02:49 <rozzin> Martijn_: That's *exactly* the sort of misunderstanding that I'm talking about :)
Dec 10 05:02:55 <Martijn_> lol
Dec 10 05:03:13 <Martijn_> yeah, well i give it some months
Dec 10 05:03:18 <Martijn_> thanks for all the help man
Dec 10 05:03:27 <Martijn_> have a nice day!
Dec 10 05:03:38 <rozzin> `some months' was over last December.
Dec 10 05:03:42 <gonzoism> you too !
Dec 10 05:03:45 <rozzin> pfft. :)
Dec 10 05:04:03 <rozzin> Maybe we should do something about that page :)
Dec 10 05:05:05 <gonzoism> lol, yeah.  also i think it would help a lot after a stable shr is released.
Dec 10 05:05:07 <rozzin> I have to admit that I even let myself get a little caught-up in that 3D7K/gta03 hysteria.
Dec 10 05:05:22 <rozzin> I should have known better, though--
Dec 10 05:05:34 <rozzin> I've been through this process before :)
Dec 10 05:06:07 <gonzoism> i'm very happy with the gta02.  besides irda and a cam, i can't imagine anything better.  except for it shipping with the harware fixes
Dec 10 05:06:53 <rozzin> One might expect that it'd be obvious to anone who's ever been part of a team working on a new product....
Dec 10 05:07:11 <gonzoism> that gta03 was a rabbit ?
Dec 10 05:07:20 <rozzin> `rabbit'?
Dec 10 05:07:28 <gonzoism> hard to catch...
Dec 10 05:07:32 <rozzin> Oh.
Dec 10 05:07:44 <rozzin> I don't think that's quite what I was going to say.
Dec 10 05:07:46 <rozzin> :)
Dec 10 05:07:53 <rozzin> I was going to say,
Dec 10 05:08:01 <gonzoism> what did you mean ?  i'm interested.  :)  you're saying it now. :)
Dec 10 05:08:53 <rozzin> A lot of what was going on was perfectly normal product-development stuff--
Dec 10 05:09:27 <rozzin> there's a dialogue that goes on between engineering, marketing, management et al.;
Dec 10 05:09:34 <gonzoism> that is how it seemed to me.
Dec 10 05:09:48 <gonzoism> was still exciting to follow. :)
Dec 10 05:09:50 <rozzin> to determine what the ideal featureset would be--what would sell,
Dec 10 05:10:13 <rozzin> (that's what Marketing figures out),
Dec 10 05:10:20 <DocScrutinizer51> and what we could build
Dec 10 05:10:31 <rozzin> the engineers figure out what we can build,
Dec 10 05:10:43 <DocScrutinizer51> so... me
Dec 10 05:10:48 <rozzin> and management figures out what's economically feasible.
Dec 10 05:11:16 <DocScrutinizer51> that's not completely correct
Dec 10 05:11:25 <DocScrutinizer51> regrettably
Dec 10 05:11:26 <rozzin> Well, it's certainly not complete :)
Dec 10 05:11:42 <rozzin> But along the way,
Dec 10 05:12:28 <rozzin> you've got things like pep-rallies or whatever morale-boosting activities for your staff,
Dec 10 05:12:46 <DocScrutinizer51> huh?
Dec 10 05:13:40 <rozzin> DocScrutinizer51: "morale"? :)
Dec 10 05:15:51 <DocScrutinizer51> well. honestly it seems I exactly finished the one year of sorrow today. GTA03 been killed on that monday meeting in dec 08 (at least for me. you know the issue with corpses on machines looking like alive)
Dec 10 05:16:41 <gonzoism> sounds awful
Dec 10 05:16:54 <gonzoism> i think "corpses" did it.
Dec 10 05:17:07 <DocScrutinizer51> so I honestly don,t like to talk about that unpleasant episode
Dec 10 05:17:14 <DocScrutinizer51> anymore
Dec 10 05:17:55 <gonzoism> i like my freerunner. a lot. it makes me happy somehow.
Dec 10 05:18:14 <rozzin> gonzoism: Are you developing for it?
Dec 10 05:18:46 * raster stabs the gta03 corpse one more time
Dec 10 05:18:52 <gonzoism> no.  I am trying to figure it out.  just now i got another error from "make image".   didn't build
Dec 10 05:19:09 <raster> DocScrutinizer51:  hey hey :) (btw) :)
Dec 10 05:19:18 <DocScrutinizer51> raster, definitely dead
Dec 10 05:19:29 <DocScrutinizer51> :-)
Dec 10 05:19:32 <raster> along with any other phone stuff om may do
Dec 10 05:19:36 <raster> enjoy your n900
Dec 10 05:19:43 <DocScrutinizer51> yo
Dec 10 05:21:14 <gonzoism> DocScrutinizer51: that friend of mine that i was just sure had the n900 a few months ago....  talked to him today. was an n800.  :(
Dec 10 05:21:46 * DocScrutinizer51 really wonders when werner will manage to make a photo of his lab with a gta03 incidentally left on the bench
Dec 10 05:21:50 <raster> gonzoism: BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Dec 10 05:22:04 <raster> gonzoism: i knew i was right.
Dec 10 05:22:05 <raster> :)
Dec 10 05:22:08 <DocScrutinizer51> hehehehehehehehehe
Dec 10 05:22:16 <gonzoism> yes, i was wrong.
Dec 10 05:22:26 * raster add another point to the "raster was right" column
Dec 10 05:22:27 <gonzoism> very wrong, incidentally. :)
Dec 10 05:22:44 <gonzoism> raster: 4   christians: 0
Dec 10 05:22:53 * rozzin snorts.
Dec 10 05:23:13 <DocScrutinizer51> raster, never realized ther's another column
Dec 10 05:23:21 <gonzoism> lol
Dec 10 05:23:25 <gonzoism> i love that joke.
Dec 10 05:23:35 <raster> DocScrutinizer51: there is the "raster was wrong" one next to it
Dec 10 05:23:42 <raster> so far it's empty
Dec 10 05:23:43 <raster> :)
Dec 10 05:23:53 <raster> (ok not quite,... but mostly)
Dec 10 05:24:55 <gonzoism> ya, he told me it was the n800, and my spirits just sank....  "damnit !"
Dec 10 05:25:22 <raster> not even a phone
Dec 10 05:25:23 <raster> :)
Dec 10 05:25:29 <gonzoism> was glad to finally get an answer though.
Dec 10 05:25:40 <gonzoism> oh, i thought it was a phone.  didn't know that.
Dec 10 05:25:45 <rozzin> gonzoism: It has been sort-of..., uh..., `fun' to watch newbies pick fights with raster about graphics-programming.
Dec 10 05:26:01 <raster> dont worry. didn't expect you to come in with a "ha! see! it WAS an n900!"
Dec 10 05:26:02 <DocScrutinizer51> ok. so world is at equilibrum oncee again. nevermind
Dec 10 05:26:23 <raster> rozzin: sometimes i'm wrong. it happens. it's rare. :)
Dec 10 05:26:39 <gonzoism> i was totally expecting to be right....
Dec 10 05:26:45 <raster> hehehehehe
Dec 10 05:26:45 <gonzoism> so sure...
Dec 10 05:26:52 <gonzoism> heh
Dec 10 05:27:21 <rozzin> wasn't even an 810?
Dec 10 05:27:34 <DocScrutinizer51> raster, we both knew we were both right. so no room for fail
Dec 10 05:27:35 * gonzoism shakes head
Dec 10 05:28:08 <gonzoism> is the 810 a phone ?  just curious.
Dec 10 05:28:11 <raster> DocScrutinizer51: yeah. the power of numbers alone there...
Dec 10 05:28:16 <rozzin> gonzoism: Nope.
Dec 10 05:28:57 <raster> gonzoism: nup. just a slightly better n800 (same hw but with added gps, solder-edon mmc instead of 1 sd slot and a hw kbd - otherwise identical to n800 (well minus case change))
Dec 10 05:29:28 <rozzin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N810
Dec 10 05:30:16 <Ddorda> what is the default password of shr?
Dec 10 05:31:09 <gonzoism> its blank
Dec 10 05:31:11 <gonzoism> no pw
Dec 10 05:31:31 <Ddorda> Permission denied, please try again.
Dec 10 05:31:37 <gonzoism> i had one image the other day that wouldn't let me ssh in.  
Dec 10 05:31:38 <rozzin> Ddorda: I don't think there is one--I think you're supposed to just load a pubkey into .ssh/authorized_keys.
Dec 10 05:31:57 <raster> rootme
Dec 10 05:32:02 <raster> ?
Dec 10 05:32:17 <gonzoism> i just opened vala-terminal on the phone and ran the passwd command
Dec 10 05:34:54 <Ddorda> gonzoism: good i dea, thanks
Dec 10 05:37:19 * rozzin changes "is" to "was" on the 3D7K page.
Dec 10 08:58:51 <slaxxer> can i now opkg upgrade  shr-testing   from yesterday to today    or will it die on me?
Dec 10 14:38:09 <Superevildeath> hey guys is the OS already end user ready ? or is it still in dev stage ?
Dec 10 14:40:12 <tomcatek> i think there always will be something more to do
Dec 10 14:40:15 <tomcatek> but it is usable
Dec 10 14:43:10 <Superevildeath> well tbh i want a opensource os on a phone but i don't want to spent a day messing around with it i mean sure when i look at SHR for example my feeling tells me thats not ready as a "stable" build because there is still basic functionality missing
Dec 10 14:50:38 <radekp> Superevildeath: i am already messing one year with this phone ;-)
Dec 10 14:51:47 <radekp> but i am quite enjoying it, i think you will probably find distro that works for you...
Dec 10 14:52:21 <radekp> but it will probably take more then just one day
Dec 10 14:54:44 <Superevildeath> well i don't have that much free time anymore ( i wish i did ), i'm not gonna try 10000 distro's on my phone so most likely i'm gonna jump for a andriod or something
Dec 10 19:35:04 <ikrabbe> Hi, I need a small hint to build a new kernel for the freerunner, as I can't get my 8gb sdcard running and there has been a patch in the git kernel tree
Dec 10 19:35:40 <ikrabbe> is there a good howto starting point to set up a kernel development tree and scripts to build that kernel
Dec 10 19:35:55 <ikrabbe> I know how to build linux kernel in general btw.
Dec 10 19:41:57 <Weiss> ikrabbe: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kernel#Building_the_andy-tracking_branch
Dec 10 19:43:45 <Weiss> it's basically just the same as building normally, except: 1. use a cross-compiler and make sure you configure appropriates (ARCH=arm etc), 2. build a separate modules tarball to copy across to the Neo (if appropriately), 3. do some magic to make a u-boot header
Dec 10 21:56:23 <ashen_> Hi, is there any cli based sms reader/sender for shr?
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