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Dec 22 04:21:29 * naquan away for lunch
Dec 22 08:35:57 <pbaxter> hi all
Dec 22 12:57:51 <pierreN> hi
Dec 22 12:59:17 <pierreN> in order to be sure please, http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/full-om-gta02.tar.gz is the latest _working_ image of shr please ?
Dec 22 13:18:07 <pierreN> no confirmation please ? :)
Dec 22 18:16:16 <kermit> is it possible to use facebook from the neo freerunner?
Dec 22 18:17:10 <tomcatek> it depends on the browser
Dec 22 18:42:43 <kermit> i'm really anti-DRM and pro-open technologies.. what are my options for a phone?
Dec 22 18:43:08 <kermit> the freerunner says its for advanced users.. i don't plan to develop anything for it
Dec 22 18:43:27 <azaghal> You'll have some trouble running stuff the way you want as well :)
Dec 22 18:43:37 <kermit> really i just hate supporing the centralization of information control
Dec 22 18:43:55 <kermit> and it's hard to find a phone that doest support that 
Dec 22 18:44:02 <kermit> the n900 looks good but it's spendy..
Dec 22 18:44:15 <azaghal> kermit: And Nokia likes to ditch support for older models :)
Dec 22 18:44:33 <azaghal> If you're getting a Neo, make sure you get the A7.
Dec 22 18:44:51 <azaghal> And check if you can get that hardware patch for deep sleep applied.
Dec 22 18:45:42 <kermit> azaghal: a7? i dont see anything about any a7 on the website
Dec 22 18:45:54 <azaghal> kermit: That's some revision number, iirc.
Dec 22 18:46:08 <azaghal> (or was it A6?)
Dec 22 18:46:11 <kermit> oh that's a freerunner version, i see
Dec 22 18:46:27 <azaghal> Nope, A7 :)
Dec 22 18:46:29 <azaghal> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributors
Dec 22 18:46:37 <azaghal> It has the buzz fix applied.
Dec 22 18:46:41 <azaghal> (hardware fix)
Dec 22 18:47:48 <kermit> can i use google maps on it?
Dec 22 18:48:01 <azaghal> kermit: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/1024 - iirc
Dec 22 18:48:19 <azaghal> Hm... I've used Navit, no idea about Google stuff.
Dec 22 18:48:32 <azaghal> kermit: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2009-May/001192.html
Dec 22 18:48:39 <Gabrys> Tango GPS has possibility to show google maps data 
Dec 22 18:48:43 <kermit> or any map hting really
Dec 22 18:49:26 <Gabrys> you choose maps from openstreetmaps, some other maps, and google maps/satelite also
Dec 22 18:49:42 <azaghal> I thought you meant the Google app, actually :)
Dec 22 18:50:03 <kermit> i didnt know there was an app
Dec 22 18:50:11 <Gabrys> the app in browser or what
Dec 22 18:50:21 <kermit> browser, but really any maps anywhere are fine
Dec 22 18:50:42 <kermit> for $300 i'd need facebook, maps, and a headphone jack to play mp3s
Dec 22 18:50:43 <Gabrys> navit can navigate you in addition to show maps ;-)
Dec 22 18:51:11 <azaghal> I wouldn't count much on the audio playing, to be honest :)
Dec 22 18:51:25 <kermit> Gabrys: cool
Dec 22 18:52:45 <azaghal> Don't forget the FBReader, of course :)
Dec 22 18:59:27 <kermit> mono sound output? hrm, so its not an mp3 player
Dec 22 19:00:10 <lindi-> kermit: google maps is proprietary stuff
Dec 22 19:00:43 <kermit> lindi-: i dont follow, it runs fine in firefox
Dec 22 19:01:06 <kermit> how's the freerunner compare to say android or the n900 in terms of open archetechture?
Dec 22 19:01:57 <lindi-> kermit: you are not allowed to use the google maps to improve other maps
Dec 22 19:02:08 <kermit> ah
Dec 22 19:02:16 <kermit> thats true of most websites though
Dec 22 19:02:43 <lindi-> kermit: well we have this DFSG-compatible wiki-based map, www.openstreetmap.org
Dec 22 19:03:41 <kermit> lindi-: cool!
Dec 22 19:04:08 <lindi-> kermit: i can do car navigation with it without internet connection
Dec 22 19:09:34 <Gabrys> kermit: mono output is using internal speaker, but with headphones you got full stereo output
Dec 22 19:09:45 <kermit> Gabrys: ohh, the web page was misleading, thanks!
Dec 22 19:09:54 <Gabrys> kermit: the problem is with battery life when listening MP3s
Dec 22 19:11:27 <kermit> i'd only be listening for maybe 15 minutes at a time
Dec 22 19:12:01 <kermit> are you saying it uses more power than talking on the phone?
Dec 22 21:09:20 <zeroedout> Hi, I bought a 2gig uSD card non-SDHC and the freerunner is giving me error -110 and error -84. I can't for the life of me find the command to reduce the clock speed, I heared this can sometime help. Anyone remember what it was?
Dec 22 21:12:25 <panicking> one minute
Dec 22 21:12:29 <panicking> I give you
Dec 22 21:12:56 <zeroedout> thank you! :) 
Dec 22 21:13:26 <panicking> 'echo 5000000 > /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_max_clk'
Dec 22 21:13:36 <panicking> or try too
Dec 22 21:13:45 <panicking> 'echo 3 > /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_drive'
Dec 22 21:14:15 <zeroedout> awesome, i'll give em a try and post them somwhere on the wiki if they work
Dec 22 21:17:00 <zeroedout> hrmm, that's a bit better, now atleast mmcblk0 shows up, but when I try to fdisk it, it gives me errors from sector 0-31 :( do I jsut try playing with the values?
Dec 22 21:24:15 <mjr> yo, shr, having full-screened the browser, is there actually any way to get out? :]
Dec 22 21:24:49 <max_posedon> mjr, power->(x) close
Dec 22 21:25:04 <mjr> ah, yes, silly me
Dec 22 21:25:30 <elopio> is there a list of cool apps for shr?
Dec 22 21:25:41 <elopio> I've just found xournal and I love it.
Dec 22 21:25:53 <mjr> 'course, now the browser wants to start up fullscreened again, which makes it somewhat less useful
Dec 22 21:34:09 <mjr> (found the config file)
Dec 22 21:34:35 <UndrWater> love xournal...tho the maemo ui would be better!
Dec 22 21:36:39 <elopio> is there something for voice dialing?
Dec 22 21:37:27 <max_posedon> linphone
Dec 22 21:45:58 <UndrWater> how does one force the install of a program that appears to be an earlier version (but actually isn't)
Dec 22 21:46:06 <UndrWater> particularly navit
Dec 22 21:46:19 <UndrWater> it appears naming conventions have changed 
Dec 22 23:08:48 <playya_> UndrWater, --force-downgrade should do the job
Dec 23 00:25:00 <UndrWater> playya_: didn't work
Dec 23 01:25:49 * naquan gave up on compiling 2.6.31 kernel, it's too much for beginner :(
Dec 23 02:10:45 <larsc> well using a good toolchain it's quite easy actually
Dec 23 02:11:02 <larsc> as easy as typing `make`
Dec 23 02:32:39 <naquan> larsc: it's only easy with the adny-tracking main branch, which is 2.6.29, not the latest head om-2.6.31 :(
Dec 23 02:33:11 <naquan> many files & functions 're missing
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