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Dec 24 10:53:12 <badcloud_> hey all
Dec 24 10:54:07 <Martix_> what's wrong with http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2009-12-23 ?
Dec 24 10:54:40 <badcloud_> does anyone know if the models listed here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Analog_wired_Headset work properly as far as muting sound (e.g. mp3 playback) when accepting incoming call?
Dec 24 10:55:19 <badcloud_> not to mention, does the receive call button work as well?
Dec 24 11:11:45 <lindi-> badcloud_: isn't headset affected by buzz?
Dec 24 11:31:01 <|Marco|> marry christmas people :)
Dec 24 11:35:38 <mickey|XmasCold> and to your
Dec 24 11:35:44 <mickey|XmasCold> err
Dec 24 11:35:47 <mickey|XmasCold> you and your family
Dec 24 11:38:31 <|Marco|> thanks :)
Dec 24 12:12:24 <DocScrutinizer> badcloud_: that seems quite nrelated to actual model of wired headset
Dec 24 12:13:59 <DocScrutinizer> badcloud_: the /HOLD aka receive button is quite standardized. Shorts mic to GND
Dec 24 12:14:34 <DocScrutinizer> what SW does on detecting this (if sw cares at all) clearly isn't problem of the hs model
Dec 24 12:15:01 <DocScrutinizer> same for muting mp3 playback
Dec 24 12:15:20 <DocScrutinizer> how could hs help to do this right?
Dec 24 12:35:36 <badcloud_> DocScrutinizer, thanks for the clarification
Dec 24 12:35:46 <badcloud_> lindi-, as far as I know I don't have the buzz bug
Dec 24 12:35:54 <DocScrutinizer> badcloud_: yw
Dec 24 12:37:22 <DocScrutinizer> badcloud_: if you find a headset not causing severe buzz all of the time (at far end! as usual) - well this would be a really worthwile frontpage headline
Dec 24 12:46:25 <badcloud_> DocScrutinizer don't sell the farm yet
Dec 24 12:46:48 <badcloud_> I'm still trying to figure out why I can't get stereo output from the 2.5
Dec 24 12:47:18 <badcloud_> I'm trying out the R L wavs from http://www.eminent-tech.com/music/multimediatest.html
Dec 24 12:48:03 <badcloud_> only R works, but it's not exclusive to the right headphone when using either a generic samsung 2.5 headset
Dec 24 12:48:09 <badcloud_> or the 2.5 to 3.5 adapter
Dec 24 12:49:05 <DocScrutinizer51> badcloud_: 1) insert jack fully. 2) make sure the adapter is correct. 3) make sure alsa amp-mode is set to headset
Dec 24 12:49:31 <badcloud_> anyone alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/headset.state restore?
Dec 24 12:49:37 <badcloud_> nix the "anyone"
Dec 24 12:51:53 <badcloud_> what do you mean by amp-mode?
Dec 24 12:52:00 <DocScrutinizer51> badcloud_: I'm out of the loop wrt fso way to do all that mixer controlling
Dec 24 12:53:06 <badcloud_> well, the above command must work since I can hear via headphones/adapter
Dec 24 12:53:26 <badcloud_> but it seems like "Right" channel is being sent to both earphones
Dec 24 12:54:06 <badcloud_> is the output from 2.5 even supposed to be stereo?
Dec 24 12:54:13 <DocScrutinizer> badcloud_: if control.94 { name 'Amp Spk Switch' } is set to "true" then you hear only one channel in headset
Dec 24 12:54:45 <badcloud_> I'll try fiddling with that
Dec 24 12:55:15 <DocScrutinizer> badcloud_: if right is sent to both sides of hs then either your jack isn't inseted fully or adapter is really borked
Dec 24 12:55:58 <badcloud_> 94 is on false
Dec 24 12:58:25 <badcloud_> seems you're right
Dec 24 12:58:48 <badcloud_> on the samsung headset right is heard through the left earpiece
Dec 24 12:58:53 <badcloud_> nothing for left
Dec 24 13:00:24 <DocScrutinizer> so according to schematics that seems to indicate you playback right channel audio to left DA PCM
Dec 24 13:00:25 <badcloud_> I'm gonna go return it
Dec 24 13:00:59 <DocScrutinizer> bbl
Dec 24 13:01:12 <badcloud_> k
Dec 24 13:01:15 <badcloud_> me too
Dec 24 13:30:47 <PaulFertser> badcloud_: do not you have a multimeter in reach?
Dec 24 13:32:04 <Zorkman> tremendously off topic question: can anybody of you still use thepiratebay.org? I always get a login screen, even when i select "register"
Dec 24 15:55:17 <badcloud_> PaulFertser, maybe. gotta rummage around a bit
Dec 24 15:55:27 <badcloud_> what do you suggest?
Dec 24 15:58:25 <panicking> Happy Chrismas
Dec 24 16:03:05 <badcloud_> merry holidays
Dec 24 16:07:12 <PBeck> hi
Dec 24 17:13:42 * Weiss ponders running an OSM tile server for FR users.. anyone know how much CPU power/bandwidth it takes?
Dec 24 17:14:37 <SpeedEvil> lots and lots
Dec 24 17:14:50 <SpeedEvil> the main db when imported is something like 500G 
Dec 24 17:15:01 <SpeedEvil> and you need at least 8G of RAM
Dec 24 17:15:13 <SpeedEvil> neglecting the several G of tiles
Dec 24 17:15:17 <SpeedEvil> T
Dec 24 17:15:53 <SpeedEvil> practically, regrettably, FR users are not going to overwelm the OSM servers :(
Dec 24 17:20:47 <DocScrutinizer> badcloud_: apply sth like an empty 1V5 cell to GND ring and both of the middle rings one after the other on 2.5mm. should give you a click in left/right earpiece
Dec 24 17:21:35 <DocScrutinizer> don't touch tip and esp don't press hold. you might burn the hold button that way
Dec 24 17:22:59 <DocScrutinizer> two wires with low power music from any radio or sth like that of course were preferrable to the 1V5 cell above
Dec 24 17:24:31 <DocScrutinizer> or actually use a R-meter and check for 8..60Ohms from GND=base=sleve to any of the 2 middle rings of hs-jack
Dec 24 17:33:28 <max_posedon> Weiss, why FR users need custom tile server?
Dec 24 17:35:39 <Weiss> max_posedon: AIUI, the OSM people want you to do it that way rather than everyone killing one server
Dec 24 17:35:51 <Weiss> sounds like my spare capacity isn't anywhere near enough though :(
Dec 24 17:36:26 <max_posedon> I thought there is one "distubuted" OSM server
Dec 24 18:11:13 <DocScrutinizer51> time for a x mess kirin. CHEERS
Dec 24 18:13:07 <DocScrutinizer51> and a special thanks to turkish restaurants saving my day
Dec 24 18:18:50 <DocScrutinizer51> yay. quiet earth - this time for real
Dec 24 19:26:49 <badcloud_> DocScrutinizer, thanks. what I did was order this: http://www.gamebaz.com/?a=i&i=4488
Dec 24 19:26:57 <badcloud_> and hope it does the trick
Dec 24 19:27:12 <badcloud_> otherwise I'll learn some soldering basics and open the sucker up
Dec 24 19:31:11 <DocScrutinizer51> badcloud_: please check if one of the listed motorola phones is listed on wiki for having FR compatible headset
Dec 24 19:32:40 <DocScrutinizer51> badcloud_: and you,re aware the mic is in the female plug and you can,t use the headset's mic with that adapter
Dec 24 20:08:43 <kozio> hello
Dec 24 20:08:53 <kozio> I got problem with qt
Dec 24 20:08:55 <kozio> not at least 2 device changes found ?!? Opening USB Device... No such Alternate Setting: "u-boot" 
Dec 24 20:09:25 <kozio> while trying dfu-util --device 0x413c:0x8156 -a u-boot -R -D qi-*.udfu 
Dec 24 20:09:36 <kozio> and anyway Best Christmas wishes :P
Dec 24 20:20:56 <badcloud_> DocScrutinizer51, the Motorola A780 is listed
Dec 24 20:21:25 <badcloud_> and from what I saw the mic isn't connected to the adapter's female plug
Dec 24 20:22:20 <badcloud_> it looks to me as though they provided the female part of the adapter to use as ground left and right
Dec 24 20:22:56 <badcloud_> but for 4 bucks, I can afford to be wrong
Dec 24 20:26:10 <DocScrutinizer51> the name is "... + mic". It has a hold button bead. The mic is inside that bead
Dec 24 21:20:53 <Serdar> hi guys
Dec 24 21:32:28 <DocScrutinizer51> hi
Dec 24 21:36:00 <kozio> hello
Dec 24 21:36:10 <kozio> I got Qi but I don't know how to use it
Dec 24 21:36:28 <kozio> So press power, release power, press aux, wait for vibration, release aux. 
Dec 24 21:37:40 <kozio> I do it and?
Dec 24 21:38:08 <Q-Master> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi
Dec 24 21:57:27 <kozio> I just read it
Dec 24 22:23:58 <DocScrutinizer51> kozio: well obviously qi has a lot of advantages ;-P
Dec 24 22:24:06 <DocScrutinizer51> better user interface
Dec 24 22:24:18 <DocScrutinizer51> easier to do multiboot
Dec 24 22:25:11 <DocScrutinizer51> less hussle to install and put to work compared to keeping uBoot
Dec 24 22:25:40 <DocScrutinizer51> </sarcasm>
Dec 24 23:42:08 <pieterc> I'm getting a new freerunner... Miss my SHR too much ^^
Dec 24 23:43:52 <pieterc> Merry xmass btw from Belgium :)
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