**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 30 02:59:57 2009 Dec 30 03:39:38 shr testing woes? Dec 30 08:46:52 Is it possible to verify the integrity of the NAND? (I'm, getting jffs2-errors on boot) Dec 30 08:47:11 kagee do you have a recent uboot ? Dec 30 08:47:18 qi Dec 30 08:47:38 hm.. dunno. Dec 30 08:48:07 i could probably flash back yo uboot if you can help me then :) Dec 30 08:49:14 i was thinking you could copy it back to file and then diff the filesystems Dec 30 08:49:25 but that probably wouldn't work Dec 30 08:49:45 because of everything that gets written to disk (nand) after first boot Dec 30 08:50:01 you could probably write it back to a file and do an fsck on it Dec 30 08:50:26 or boot from the microsd and then do the mtd loopback thing and then fsck it Dec 30 08:51:24 those are just off the top of my head though. there are likely a lot of better people here to answer that question. eventuall somebody should be able to offer a better suggestion. Dec 30 09:25:21 Hello , Is there anyother ringtone for SHR ? Dec 30 09:33:38 alabd: You can change it for any mp3 Dec 30 09:34:25 Do you know any simple ringtone that is free to use ? Dec 30 09:34:55 find any free to use mp3 Dec 30 09:35:58 jamendo or magnatunes have some free music Dec 30 09:36:51 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=magnatunes+filetype%3Amp3&as_rights=%28cc_publicdomain|cc_attribute|cc_sharealike|cc_noncommercial|cc_nonderived%29&aq=f&oq=&aqi= Dec 30 09:37:31 I'd recommend to convert any mp3 ringtone to wav first or else the performance would be suboptimal, the delay between pressing the button and actually picking up the call might be too big. Dec 30 09:40:27 ok first ringtone shuld be found Dec 30 09:42:49 Hi Dec 30 09:42:57 hi Dec 30 09:42:57 PaulFertser, start to build shr Dec 30 09:43:04 panicking: hey :) Dec 30 09:43:13 I'm going to do some in glamo acceleration Dec 30 09:43:27 I need to port stuff under android Dec 30 09:43:36 but first of all I need all stuff in linux Dec 30 09:43:38 and shr Dec 30 09:43:53 panicking: do you by any chance want to try to debug suspend/resume problems with glamo and recent kernels? ;) Dec 30 09:44:12 2.6.32 Dec 30 09:44:13 kernel Dec 30 09:44:17 graphics engine Dec 30 09:44:26 or glamo device Dec 30 09:44:28 mmc Dec 30 09:44:47 the shr has the 2.6.32 Dec 30 09:44:48 kernel Dec 30 09:45:13 has shr linux-2.6.32? Dec 30 09:46:46 http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Building%20SHR Dec 30 09:46:55 I'm following the instruction here Dec 30 09:47:02 to build the distribuition Dec 30 09:48:14 How to write in persian/arabic in SHR ? Dec 30 09:48:49 panicking: i'm afraid shr still uses .29 andy-tracking because of unsolved problems with .32 Dec 30 09:49:00 ok Dec 30 09:49:08 No problem Dec 30 09:49:08 I Dec 30 09:49:13 but it's that page correct Dec 30 09:49:17 for building shr Dec 30 09:49:18 ? Dec 30 09:49:39 is that page ok for building shr? Dec 30 09:49:50 panicking: it used to be, i'm unsure about the current status. Dec 30 09:49:58 panicking: JaMa should know. Dec 30 09:50:49 panicking: i think it should work provided they upgraded their makefile and i guess they did. Dec 30 09:53:30 How to write in persian/arabic in SHR for example with Input method ... this command can be used in desktop debian to have persian writting .. setxkbmap -v -rules xfree86 -model pc104 -layout "us,ir" -option Dec 30 09:53:31 "grp:alt_shift_toggle" -option "grp_led:caps" Dec 30 09:53:52 alabd: you need an appropriate on-screen keyboard to do that. Dec 30 09:54:06 alabd: search for arabic illume keyboard Dec 30 09:54:25 PaulFertser, the image use drm glamo from thomas white Dec 30 09:54:27 or no Dec 30 09:55:11 panicking: i'm not sure, sorry. Dec 30 09:57:07 PaulFertser: you know humble know keys and know which key is which character of persian langugae , but how to make a persian/arabic layout with that illume one? Dec 30 09:57:11 ok Dec 30 09:58:07 alabd: http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg47254.html Dec 30 10:00:58 PaulFertser: Dec 30 10:00:59 There is a Persian keyboard layout listed at: Dec 30 10:00:59 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume Dec 30 10:00:59 but the link is broken. Hopefully someone else on this mailing list Dec 30 10:00:59 will know where it can be found. Dec 30 10:03:46 alabd: write this guy an e-mail http://rastian.com/mili/ Dec 30 10:04:08 yea humble am searching Dec 30 10:06:29 PaulFertser: does android use illume also ? Dec 30 10:06:33 alabd: no Dec 30 10:09:05 alabd: also you might want to ask TAsn, he's the one helping/adding RTL support to illume. Dec 30 10:09:12 to E Dec 30 10:10:12 humble could not find contact for that guy ... maybe comment should be tried , TAsn hi ? Dec 30 10:10:45 alabd: he's in israel - so he may only be on during .il's waking hours Dec 30 10:12:46 raster: hey :D Dec 30 10:12:52 PaulFertser: yo :) Dec 30 10:13:00 raster: how's life? Dec 30 10:15:15 raster: i remember an arm representative telling me to "wait until x-mas" for a selection of arm-based netbooks at some arm developer forum this autumn. X-mas is over but no netbooks appeared :/ Dec 30 10:15:47 PaulFertser, is there an open bug for glamo suspend/resume in 2.6.32 Dec 30 10:15:49 ? Dec 30 10:15:50 PaulFertser: busy as hell. trying to get some break over xmas/new years to decompress Dec 30 10:16:02 panicking: no, it just didn't work for everyone :) Dec 30 10:16:05 PaulFertser: products are always late Dec 30 10:16:06 :) Dec 30 10:16:11 u can get an n900 Dec 30 10:16:14 :) Dec 30 10:16:48 raster: n900 is too small, too fucking expensive. And it doesn't run a decent distro anyway :) Dec 30 10:17:01 not really more expensive than any netbook Dec 30 10:17:08 at $500 for it Dec 30 10:17:08 get a spykee, it's arm9 Dec 30 10:17:11 Twice as expensive. Dec 30 10:17:28 i know of no netbooks for $250 Dec 30 10:17:41 most netbooks are high $300's up to $600+ Dec 30 10:17:50 raster: n900 sells here for almost $1000 by the official dealers. Dec 30 10:18:09 buy it from amazon.com Dec 30 10:18:50 raster: well, it doesn't work the way i want anyway, i bet i would be more satisfied with my FR, really. Dec 30 10:19:14 u wouldnt be happy with arm netb ooks Dec 30 10:19:23 they will be just an oversized n900 with no modem Dec 30 10:19:32 otherwise the same thing Dec 30 10:20:09 They would have a keyboard i can actually touchtype on. They would have a much larger screen i would be actually to use as a normal 80x25 (or more) terminal. Dec 30 10:20:21 And they would run some sane distro, i hope. Dec 30 10:20:32 but why does it matter? Dec 30 10:20:36 its just a laptop them Dec 30 10:20:39 with an arm cpu in it Dec 30 10:20:45 thats all it is Dec 30 10:20:49 Because i think using x86 is silly. Dec 30 10:20:55 Especially where power consumption matters. Dec 30 10:20:57 it wotn be amazingly different to the x86 netbooks Dec 30 10:21:14 seriously - the screen and other components eat most of the power Dec 30 10:21:18 and that hasnt changed Dec 30 10:21:33 Probably that's a general aversion to x86. Dec 30 10:21:40 sure Dec 30 10:21:52 but if u look at it objectively - u jhave simply moved to arm as an arch for a laptop Dec 30 10:21:53 But it really sucks, doesn't it? Dec 30 10:22:05 and as such u'll find it slower and more cumbersome to deal with Dec 30 10:22:13 i know what u mean Dec 30 10:22:16 Well, i need exactly that :) Dec 30 10:22:24 i just dont see the point of the pain unless i get some real gain from it Dec 30 10:22:34 eg - it fits in my pcoket and replaces my phone Dec 30 10:23:08 I hoped for the increased battery life to be honest. Probably i should have reseached for actual power consumption figures first. Dec 30 10:23:55 u'll find the arm ones like the touchbook claim 10hrs i think Dec 30 10:24:05 but u'll see atom netbooks doing 8hrs too Dec 30 10:24:09 sure - some more battery life Dec 30 10:24:18 but its not 40hrs vs 8 Dec 30 10:24:35 as i said - screen and other things eat up the same power either way Dec 30 10:24:55 (sidenote) some netbook designers just drive me insane with their keyboard laytouts, i can't see how on earth a sane man can trade right shift for a mostly useless "cursor up" key. Same goes about "vertical" enter. And lack of right Ctrl and meta... Dec 30 10:25:03 on small things like phones the screens are smaller - use much less power Dec 30 10:25:07 and then it begins to really show Dec 30 10:25:29 oinly thing that may make a netbook interesting for power these days is maybe oled for screen Dec 30 10:25:38 that shoudl save power - especially if u stick to black/dark colors Dec 30 10:25:46 but then again that saving will happen on arm or x86 Dec 30 10:25:58 but.. sahen u reduce the impact of screen - the the cpu impact is more noticable Dec 30 10:26:05 anyway Dec 30 10:26:28 just dont expect an arm netbook to be as great as u think :) dont get your hopes up too much Dec 30 10:26:29 raster: 10hrs instead of 8 is enough for a gain to me. Also having zero-clock on a netbook would be nice. Dec 30 10:28:01 raster: do you probably have any explanation why some obviously bad hardware keyboard layouts are too common? Dec 30 10:28:24 that i cant say Dec 30 10:28:26 i dont know Dec 30 10:28:41 as such the designers have to crap keys onto a small space on a netbook Dec 30 10:28:45 so compromises need to be made Dec 30 10:28:51 beyond that i cant much say - dont know Dec 30 10:28:57 think this way Dec 30 10:29:06 designers will design thinking of what they SEE as common usage Dec 30 10:29:11 eg \ is much more common than / Dec 30 10:29:14 ie they think windows Dec 30 10:29:16 not linux Dec 30 10:29:23 they dont think of typing code Dec 30 10:29:31 they think of typing emails and twitter posts Dec 30 10:29:43 so what is important to you is not to them or to their imgined audience Dec 30 10:29:46 imagined Dec 30 10:29:51 (the average joe) Dec 30 10:30:00 raster: and what about pressing right shift? On most netbooks when i try to press right shift i press "cursor up" instead :( Dec 30 10:30:31 Which i almost never use btw, because i have C-p combo that works great for me. Dec 30 10:31:01 dunno - as i said. i dont have a good explanation of it Dec 30 10:31:08 just the points above Dec 30 10:31:58 Or many desktop keyboards have "vertical" enter key and \ placed where the left end of a "horizontal" enter usually resides. I can't imagine anyone touch-typing \ more often than "enter". Dec 30 10:33:09 raster: are you coming to some nice mountains to do skiing as a decompression method? Dec 30 10:33:55 nup Dec 30 10:33:58 no time Dec 30 10:34:01 :( Dec 30 10:34:04 back to work soon Dec 30 10:34:54 I see. Enjoy your holidays, best of luck in the new year :) Dec 30 10:35:20 tnx Dec 30 10:35:22 :) Dec 30 10:35:26 you too man! Dec 30 10:35:27 :) Dec 30 10:35:38 Thanks, i'll try :) Dec 30 11:01:18 how to edit /etc/resolv.conf that it does not back up after fr reboot ? Dec 30 11:04:26 do you have static dns Dec 30 11:04:26 ? Dec 30 11:04:31 in shr of course Dec 30 11:04:50 panicking: desktop internet shares into fr Dec 30 11:05:14 and dns of fr should be the desktop dns Dec 30 11:05:23 if you have adhclient.conf Dec 30 11:05:25 dhclient.conf Dec 30 11:05:30 you can add Dec 30 11:05:40 prepend domain-name-servers 208.67.222.222; Dec 30 11:05:41 where on fr ? Dec 30 11:06:06 Where is your problem Dec 30 11:06:13 ?I was thinking Dec 30 11:06:20 that you need static dns Dec 30 11:06:23 in resolv.conf Dec 30 11:07:25 yes Dec 30 11:07:32 host or fr Dec 30 11:07:32 ? Dec 30 11:07:39 now resolv.con in fr is Dec 30 11:07:47 nameserver 208.67.222.222 Dec 30 11:07:47 nameserver 208.67.220.220 Dec 30 11:08:02 but it is required to be changed to anoter ip Dec 30 11:08:19 do you have a dhclient.conf Dec 30 11:08:25 but each reboot back it up to the initial Dec 30 11:08:31 ? Dec 30 11:08:33 in fr Dec 30 11:08:35 under etc Dec 30 11:08:37 yes Dec 30 11:08:38 initial Dec 30 11:08:44 open it Dec 30 11:08:46 initial Dec 30 11:08:47 do you find Dec 30 11:08:49 sorry Dec 30 11:08:51 yes Dec 30 11:08:59 /usr/lib/connman/scripts/dhclient.conf Dec 30 11:09:22 is there any prepend domain-name-servers Dec 30 11:09:24 inside Dec 30 11:09:30 does not shr have a gui text editor ? Dec 30 11:10:36 not such line Dec 30 11:15:07 try to add and use your dns to force Dec 30 11:15:16 do you have a dhclient running Dec 30 11:15:17 ? Dec 30 11:15:28 when you add this line Dec 30 11:15:37 call dhclient on the interface Dec 30 11:15:42 and you have the new dns Dec 30 11:16:29 panicking: looks like shr is using connman nowadays, one needs to read its documentation to properly configure it. Dec 30 11:17:14 You can force resolv.conf Dec 30 11:17:17 like in debian Dec 30 11:23:15 PaulFertser: do you mean answer is in a manual somewhere Dec 30 11:23:37 alabd: i guess Dec 30 11:24:02 ok thanks Dec 30 11:43:57 * tim_abell decides he wants a facebook integrated contact list in shr :) Dec 30 12:48:04 can anyone tell me why my bitbake is fetching from http://github.com/timabell/mokopod/tarball/0.2.0.3 Dec 30 12:48:09 oops Dec 30 12:48:14 i mean http://mirrors.openembedded.org//0.2.0.3 Dec 30 12:49:21 http://pastebin.ca/1731768 Dec 30 12:54:52 http://pastebin.ca/1731768 <- my bitbake Dec 30 12:55:40 that's normal Dec 30 12:55:46 if bitbake can't find something in a SRC_URI Dec 30 12:55:49 it tries the mirrors Dec 30 12:55:58 oh i see Dec 30 12:56:04 any idea what it didn't find? Dec 30 12:56:22 probably what you requested Dec 30 12:56:27 like... http://github.com/timabell/mokopod/tarball/0.2.0.3 Dec 30 12:56:56 bitbake sometimes has problems with redirection urls Dec 30 12:56:59 try giving a real URI Dec 30 12:57:46 http://pastebin.ca/1731772 Dec 30 12:58:54 i thtink that is what i put isn't it? Dec 30 13:00:52 works fine here, if i put a real URI in Dec 30 13:01:08 like http://waitdownload.github.com/timabell-mokopod-5da239b.tar.gz Dec 30 13:02:02 oh i see what you mean, it's some kind of funky redirect Dec 30 13:02:52 yep Dec 30 13:03:01 that confuses bitbake Dec 30 13:03:11 since it gets a file but it's not what it expected from looking at SRC_URI Dec 30 13:03:18 so it tries to continue donwloading from the mirrors Dec 30 13:03:22 which eventually fails Dec 30 13:07:11 curiouser and curiouser Dec 30 13:07:17 i feel like alice in wonderland Dec 30 13:10:04 ok, trying with the real url Dec 30 13:10:13 i started this about this time yesterday Dec 30 13:11:57 ERROR: function do_install failed Dec 30 13:12:00 progress! Dec 30 13:12:06 :) Dec 30 13:12:33 now you probably need to fix S Dec 30 13:13:10 the default is only applicable release tarballs Dec 30 13:13:14 like ${PN}-${PV} Dec 30 13:13:28 whoosh Dec 30 13:13:30 eh? Dec 30 13:13:56 this is a python app so presumably in need a setup.py or something Dec 30 13:13:57 bitbake needs to know where your tarballs extracts to Dec 30 13:14:12 so you need to give it the directory Dec 30 13:14:14 like Dec 30 13:14:28 S = ${WORKDIR}/where-your-setup.py-is Dec 30 13:15:01 probably timabell-mokopod-5da239b/ Dec 30 13:15:34 if i had one :-S Dec 30 13:15:38 oh dear Dec 30 13:15:39 heh Dec 30 13:15:46 this is where i got stuck in my last projecct Dec 30 13:15:48 well, then you need to copy the stuff manually in do_install Dec 30 13:15:54 but i advise getting familiar with setuptools Dec 30 13:16:05 which will tremendously speed up your deploy in the future Dec 30 13:16:16 i got started but hadn't finished figuring out python setup stuff Dec 30 13:16:46 just copy setup.py from a simple project Dec 30 13:16:50 and adjust to your needs Dec 30 13:17:01 i was trying to do it for https://launchpad.net/photo-frame-prep last time Dec 30 13:17:07 was trying to create a .deb Dec 30 13:17:16 and discovered that you generally need a setup.py Dec 30 13:17:46 i was half way through reading the instructions for python setup when i ran out of time and had to return to the real world Dec 30 13:17:58 got any handy examples? Dec 30 13:18:07 pick anything on pip Dec 30 13:18:11 pipi Dec 30 13:18:14 pipi? Dec 30 13:18:21 or wherever these dozens of python things are Dec 30 13:18:29 pypi Dec 30 13:18:33 podpooch is one main script and a few library files Dec 30 13:19:04 http://stuff.mit.edu/afs/sipb/project/python/share/doc/dist/simple-example.html Dec 30 13:35:32 hello Dec 30 13:35:40 what is this error for ? Dec 30 13:35:41 root@om-gta02 ~ $ ping www.yahoo.com Dec 30 13:35:41 ping: bad address 'www.yahoo.com' Dec 30 13:37:16 check your /etc/resolv.conf Dec 30 13:37:45 it is ckecked why ? Dec 30 13:38:09 you need valid servers in there for it to resolve Dec 30 13:38:24 yes one is valid Dec 30 13:44:00 yang maybe it is down now Dec 30 13:53:25 PaulFertser, larsc Dec 30 13:53:29 look at the code Dec 30 13:53:45 seems that there is not call to jbt set state before Dec 30 13:53:53 stop glamo clock Dec 30 13:54:09 so somenthig similar to the last WDSO patch Dec 30 14:17:39 panicking: wrt "glamo WSOD in 2.6.32 kernel" which commit is it (repo/hash) Dec 30 14:18:19 linux 2.6.29 andy-tracking Dec 30 14:18:30 Ah I see, thanks http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2009-April/009834.html Dec 30 14:23:32 I don't find a clean way to do a better patch Dec 30 14:23:47 that is a relly bad hack Dec 30 14:23:49 because Dec 30 14:23:52 call notifier Dec 30 14:24:16 and I don't see anything similar Dec 30 14:24:20 in the kernel Dec 30 14:24:34 but try it is a good idea Dec 30 14:26:11 I still compile shr Dec 30 14:35:38 hi guys Dec 30 14:36:34 there is somone for ask help on Booting from SD for openmoko? Dec 30 14:36:58 what's your problem? And which OS. Dec 30 14:37:15 i wan't to loasd qt extended Dec 30 14:37:38 i wan't to know where can i find istruction for load it Dec 30 14:38:06 alabd is gone? :| Dec 30 14:38:15 PaulFertser, got his contact information? Dec 30 14:39:24 is it better to use flash rom? Dec 30 14:39:34 TAsn: i think i can find it, yes. Dec 30 14:39:50 is it possible to recover starting point? Dec 30 14:40:09 PaulFertser, cool, if you can, that'll be great, I see he was looking for me :) Dec 30 14:40:44 TAsn: a dehqan gmail.com> Dec 30 14:41:09 ok, I'll mail him. :P Dec 30 14:41:10 thanks Dec 30 14:41:25 TAsn: thank you for caring Dec 30 14:41:56 panicking: sorry, i do not understand much about glamo/jbt stuff... Dec 30 14:42:12 that's nothing special., Dec 30 14:45:08 Where can I find a config for gta02 in om-2.6.32-gta02 Dec 30 14:45:10 kernel? Dec 30 14:45:40 panicking: there's some partially working defconfig Dec 30 14:47:28 but i dont' find under arch/arm/defconfigs Dec 30 14:48:50 panicking: 1431d829b041070707a1a18516df88b3f9f9d4ce Dec 30 14:51:41 panicking: and with drm patches you can try http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/linux/linux-openmoko-2.6.32/om-gta02/defconfig?id=0c51dfe96e04fdbc986802bf686b87ed7340dc51 Dec 30 14:57:27 JaMa, can you test shr 2.6.32 against Dec 30 14:57:34 one patch and check WDSO issue Dec 30 14:57:43 ? Dec 30 14:58:07 I'm compiling shr Dec 30 14:58:16 and I'm far away from the end Dec 30 15:00:17 panicking: sure.. not now but later today.. Dec 30 15:00:46 panicking: which patch.. I'll rebuild it before going home.. Dec 30 15:01:02 I send it to your email Dec 30 15:01:07 just check that compile Dec 30 15:01:59 OK will test it as soon as it arrives to my mailbox Dec 30 15:17:43 panicking: still nothing arrived.. Dec 30 15:20:34 one moment I'm compiling Dec 30 15:24:33 done Dec 30 15:31:48 hello Dec 30 15:31:56 how to check missed call on shr ? Dec 30 15:33:31 * JaMa still waiting :) Dec 30 15:41:38 Are you Martin Jansa Dec 30 15:41:39 ? Dec 30 15:41:42 I have sent Dec 30 15:41:57 you received.. building now Dec 30 15:42:36 Do you use qi or u-boot? Dec 30 15:42:49 qi Dec 30 15:43:05 ok Dec 30 15:44:48 hi Dec 30 15:51:04 panicking: ah now I see you're touching only glamo-fb, I've seen WSOD only with glamo-kms-fb, but the same logic seems to apply there.. Dec 30 15:51:56 PaulFertser, today said to me that there are some trouble Dec 30 15:52:00 with suspend and resume Dec 30 15:52:09 and I was thinking that was the old WDSO Dec 30 15:52:11 problem Dec 30 15:53:09 Ah maybe there still are.. but I have easily reproducible one only with drm-tracking (kms) or .31,.32 (also with drm patches/kms enabled) Dec 30 15:53:35 this is for .32 Dec 30 15:53:44 but I think that apply to .31 Dec 30 15:53:45 too Dec 30 15:56:58 panicking: its built here http://jama.homelinux.org/org.openembedded.shr.images/om-gta02/ (as -r3), but can you look also at glamo-kms-fb? Dec 30 15:57:25 opkg install http://www.aitel.hist.no/~helgehaf/openmoko/illume-keyboards-norwegian-no_0.1_all.ipk Dec 30 15:57:26 after above command should not layout be accessiable Dec 30 15:57:26 ? Dec 30 15:57:31 panicking: I tried to apply the same there, but its not as easy as it looked.. and I have to finish something here before going home.. Dec 30 15:57:54 http://www.pastie.org/761375 Dec 30 15:58:00 I have this problem Dec 30 15:58:03 during building Dec 30 16:04:37 any opinion ? Dec 30 16:06:27 JaMa, I think that WSDO is an open issue Dec 30 16:06:34 I have modify Dec 30 16:06:38 a driver path Dec 30 16:07:03 last week and I had the WDSO Dec 30 16:07:06 with 2.6.29 Dec 30 16:13:39 panicking: btw isn't it WSOD? Dec 30 16:16:55 I just said that the timeing constraint of the jbt seems to be stritct andstrange Dec 30 16:17:09 I don't have documentation Dec 30 16:17:12 abut them Dec 30 16:17:20 or maybe no time to read them Dec 30 17:20:57 Hi, can I use my laptop umts stick as gsm modem for the freerunner to mak phone calls, if the phone is connected via network? Dec 30 17:27:41 In principle maybe. Dec 30 17:28:16 Problems are that some data plans do not support voice calls. Dec 30 17:28:52 And that there may be no software supporting it - even if the way to talk to the modem and get it to do voice calls is open - which it may not be. Dec 30 17:32:57 there actually was software to interface some umts sticks to asterix Dec 30 17:32:58 why shouldnt there be software, Id make network share of the gsm dev file Dec 30 17:33:27 at least huawei e169 was iirc supported (I remember 'cause I happen to own one) Dec 30 17:33:29 so how am I to configure my neo to use another gsm modem Dec 30 17:33:49 but no, it's not quite as simple as that Dec 30 17:34:03 (duh, asterisk) Dec 30 17:34:26 babamelone: network shares of device files almost never work. Dec 30 17:34:59 not over nfs anyway. Also, audio on the Neo goes via alsa, not the GSM serial. Dec 30 17:35:14 k Dec 30 17:35:29 babamelone: unfortunately, unless you are able to find prewritten software, the answer starts out with lots of coding. Dec 30 17:35:41 For audio - data is 'easy'. Dec 30 17:36:06 your best bet would probably to run asterisk on the laptop and just interface to that with a sip/aix client Dec 30 17:36:11 k, thx for the answers... maybe ill have to research some more Dec 30 17:36:13