**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 05 01:02:38 2010 Jan 05 02:38:30 2 questions Jan 05 02:39:00 should i trust an email from liane@openmoko.com, and why are OpenMoko employees using blackberries? Jan 05 02:42:20 meoblast001, depend on what he says, openmoko now have only few employees, neo freerunner not reliable enough now Jan 05 02:42:32 and haven't edge/3g/umts support Jan 05 02:42:58 well, i asked for an alternative payment option Jan 05 02:43:10 and he said i could wire the money to them Jan 05 02:43:21 and he would send bank info when i verify i want to do that Jan 05 02:44:31 meoblast001: has he signed his mail? Jan 05 02:44:47 meoblast001: did it really pass through OM server? Jan 05 02:44:56 not sure Jan 05 02:45:00 meoblast001: check Jan 05 02:45:34 ok one second, have to google how to do that with thunderbird Jan 05 02:46:28 PaulFertser: can't seem to find it Jan 05 02:46:30 show all headers Jan 05 02:46:32 should be under view Jan 05 02:46:50 ctrl H perhaps. Jan 05 02:47:16 meoblast001, you shouldn't trust Jan 05 02:47:36 max_posedon: well, if he signed his mail why not Jan 05 02:47:36 doesn't appear to have gone through OpenMoko servers Jan 05 02:47:38 neither openmoko, neither your mail office Jan 05 02:47:53 here's the path Jan 05 02:47:55 from bda2013.bisx.prodap.on.blackberry (bda-216-9-246-86.bise.ap.blackberry.com [216.9.246.86]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm10798940qyk.6.2009.12.28.13.45.03 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 28 D Jan 05 02:48:00 by 10.229.10.153 with SMTP id p25mr335705qcp.36.1262036704142; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:45:04 -0800 (PST) Jan 05 02:48:04 by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so2624870qwc.0 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:45:04 -0800 (PST) Jan 05 02:48:09 from qw-out-1920.google.com (qw-out-1920.google.com [74.125.92.149]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME017-99b4b3926e037; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:45:04 -0500 Jan 05 02:48:12 from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME051-99b4b3926e037; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:45:08 -0500 Jan 05 02:49:29 meoblast001: well, i'd mail him back asking for a gpg-signed mail with a key trusted enough. Or tell him to provide other means of authenticating him. Jan 05 02:49:56 ok, well, i'll first wait for him to get back to me Jan 05 02:50:19 meoblast001: it's clearly unreasonable to send from an @openmoko account through blackberry servers, it won't even pass SPF and can be considered spam. Jan 05 02:50:34 this was considered spam Jan 05 02:51:07 but how did a non-openmoko employee get my email then Jan 05 02:51:09 and respond Jan 05 02:51:14 i sent to sales@openmoko.com Jan 05 02:52:59 meoblast001: most probably that's OM employee just being stupid. But you should be paranoid by default you know ;) Jan 05 02:53:21 why the heck would they have a blackberry Jan 05 02:53:30 if you're not confident in your product, sorry, but i don't want one Jan 05 02:53:40 meoblast001: do you know current FR's status? Jan 05 02:53:53 meoblast001: also do you know it lacks a hardware keyboard? Jan 05 02:53:54 i know someone who has one and uses it as his primary phone Jan 05 02:54:04 iPhone lacks a hardware keyboard Jan 05 02:54:09 meoblast001: i do use it as my only phone for more than a year too. Jan 05 02:54:45 meoblast001: but i can perfectly understand when somebody uses something that "just works" for business purposes. Jan 05 02:58:30 meoblast001: freerunner is a very cool toy for hackers. But it's not suitable for those who doesn't want to do some interesting things with it. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jan 05 02:59:56 2010