**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 05 02:59:56 2010 Jan 05 05:07:56 we finally have a new guitar tune Jan 05 05:14:13 would be cool to have a duke 3d or doom working **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jan 05 05:57:21 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 05 05:58:14 2010 Jan 05 07:51:15 hi Jan 05 07:51:30 does anyone have running remoko on shr testin ? Jan 05 07:57:28 I've never had a working remoko at all Jan 05 10:08:07 freerunnerlive: have you checked remoko's repo? Jan 05 10:08:18 freerunnerlive: there was some work on porting it to bluez4. Jan 05 10:08:37 freerunnerlive: otherwise you can use remoko with bluez3 but it makes your system incompatible with modern stuff. Jan 05 10:14:38 where can i download remoko'S repo ? Jan 05 10:14:45 :PaulFertser Jan 05 10:16:03 freerunnerlive: http://code.google.com/p/remoko obvious from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ReMoko which is the first hit on google. Jan 05 10:16:37 svn checkout http://remoko.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ remoko-read-only ? Jan 05 10:17:45 freerunnerlive: why trunk? Jan 05 10:17:55 freerunnerlive: bluez4 support might be in a separate branch Jan 05 10:25:55 bummer. i've scratched the screen on my freerunner Jan 05 10:25:59 freerunnerlive: looks like the latest trunk already contains all the work done so far. And quite possibly it's the version packaged by SHR. Try to debug/improve. Jan 05 10:26:09 * Kamping_Kaiser slaps the person who lost his cover Jan 05 10:41:03 freerunnerlive: the remoko author just answered, he said the latest version works with bluez4 on SHR. Jan 05 10:41:23 hm Jan 05 10:42:13 i use the last testing Jan 05 10:42:26 freerunnerlive: what remoko version is there? Jan 05 10:42:27 maybe dbus was changed Jan 05 10:42:35 dbus??? Jan 05 10:44:50 remoko_0.3.2+svnr121-r0.4_armv4t.ipk remoko-server_0.2.1+svnr121-r0.4_armv4t.ipk Jan 05 10:48:38 freerunnerlive: should be revision 148 Jan 05 10:49:03 PaulFertser: should I bump it to 148? Jan 05 10:49:26 JaMa|Wrk: well, you saw what Valerio just said ;) Jan 05 10:49:27 Kamping_Kaiser: I've got these inisishield stuff on my moko, works better than I thought Jan 05 10:49:50 PaulFertser: no I haven't read log :) Jan 05 10:49:59 JaMa|Wrk: at #openmoko-cdevel Jan 05 10:50:08 JaMa|Wrk: he said the latest version works ok with blue4. Jan 05 11:38:15 Hello , Was your FR this like at first ? http://img5.tinypic.info/files/leogvi1fjj3es26prqeo.jpg Jan 05 11:39:02 alabd: yes Jan 05 11:39:07 alabd: btw, wrt screen protector Jan 05 11:39:40 alabd: consumer electronics comes with some kind of "factory" screen protector which is supposed to be removed before the first use. Jan 05 11:39:56 alabd: i really recommend you to apply any other screen protector instead. Jan 05 11:40:51 why should screen protector be removed paul ? Jan 05 11:41:02 alabd: i bought some screen protector at the local shop, cut it in half, disassembled the freerunner, applied the protector, assembled it back the first day i got my FR. Jan 05 11:41:37 alabd: factory screen protectors are not designed/intended to be used. They're probably to protect the screen during assembly/packaging. Jan 05 11:42:04 so it was health though Jan 05 11:42:37 alabd: but it's not supposed to be durable or to provide you with good resistive touchscreen experience :) Jan 05 11:43:15 humble got what you mean , was screen protector health when you recieved fr Jan 05 11:43:26 alabd: no idea, i removed it immediately Jan 05 11:43:30 alabd: and forgot Jan 05 11:43:33 see the one is here http://img5.tinypic.info/files/8hsnazvflrunqdjdbit3.jpg Jan 05 11:43:42 Because nobody cares about factory screen protector. Jan 05 11:44:31 alabd: i do not think the lines mean anything. And your factory protector is ok. Jan 05 11:46:45 bq27k-detail result was like this http://pastebin.com/m5399a56f Jan 05 11:47:18 it shows that battery has been charged 4 cycle until last night Jan 05 11:47:32 alabd: even if somebody's turned on device (e.g. during factory testing or something) why care? Jan 05 11:47:34 but charging times were more than 4 Jan 05 11:48:21 how to be sure it is A7 ? Jan 05 11:49:43 alabd: cat /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-version.0/pcb Jan 05 11:49:51 It's 0x101 for A7. Jan 05 11:50:53 do you know what does that cycle mean ? Jan 05 11:51:40 alabd: not any better than the bq27k datasheet Jan 05 11:53:01 :) Jan 05 12:15:13 yeah datasheet has nothing related as docs also adviced it Jan 05 12:15:28 DocScrutinizer: * Jan 05 12:16:50 alabd: you're trying to spend time on useless things. Jan 05 12:16:55 alabd: the battery is ok, Doc confirmed that. Jan 05 12:17:23 alabd: the factory screen protector is useless, all consumer electronic has those, supposed to be removed by the user. Jan 05 12:17:35 alabd: you can check hardware revision with the command i just told you. Jan 05 12:20:01 PaulFertser: no those are not problem , in some percent humble should be sure that phone is not used before do you think this lack of cover on screw is normal ? Jan 05 12:20:38 of course one of the screw http://img5.tinypic.info/files/leogvi1fjj3es26prqeo.jpg Jan 05 12:21:08 alabd: yes, it's normal Jan 05 12:21:27 alabd: why should you be sure the phone was not used before? Why care??? Jan 05 12:22:12 does not matter if some sale second hand phone to you as a new phone ? Jan 05 12:22:18 a repaired or ... Jan 05 12:23:15 PaulFertser: It's 0x101 Jan 05 12:23:36 alabd: come on, it got even factory screen protector on! It doesn't look as used. And you got it for almost half the price. I see no reason to care. Jan 05 12:23:52 alabd: the battery is in "new" condition. Jan 05 12:23:59 alabd: and you just confirmed it's A7. Jan 05 12:24:26 yes humble should not be so sensitive but batery can be replaced Jan 05 12:24:59 alabd: i really advice to use a decent screen protector though. Jan 05 12:26:41 fo the last question on this issue : will customer refuse warranty if we open FR ? and this cover be removed on that screw ? Jan 05 12:27:36 alabd: openmoko inc. doesn't provide any kind of warranty. The only warranty you get is from your reseller. So ask your reseller. Jan 05 12:28:08 ok because changing protecter needs opening fr Jan 05 12:28:25 *screen protector Jan 05 12:29:12 alabd: well, if you want to apply the screen protector "end-user" way (i.e. cut it very precisely and apply without opening the front cover) it'd be ok too. Jan 05 12:31:05 thanks paul probably you are busy there are some other new questions that humble ask here from others if you should go a way Jan 05 12:31:40 alabd: np Jan 05 12:33:11 thanks a lot , which gps app is better in your opinion navit ? tango ? Jan 05 12:35:04 alabd: it depends on what you need. Tangogps is simple and "just works". But has no routing facilities and takes a lot of space to store png map tiles. Navit is better in theory and some people reported they made it to work reasonably fast. Jan 05 12:35:33 and what are NAND partition file system ? Jan 05 12:35:47 partitions* Jan 05 12:35:47 alabd: please rephrase the question Jan 05 12:36:03 partitions on NAND are ext3 ? Jan 05 12:36:25 alabd: not, jffs2 Jan 05 12:36:57 so maybe they can be mounted on desktop Jan 05 12:37:01 linux Jan 05 12:37:24 do yiu know what is NAND node link ? Jan 05 12:44:07 jcc1: hey :) is there any plan to fix docs.openmoko.org certificate? Jan 05 12:44:55 PaulFertser: NAND node link is /dev/mtdblock1 ? Jan 05 12:45:33 alabd: nand node link? Jan 05 12:45:50 yeah lindi- Jan 05 12:46:10 to mount it Jan 05 12:46:49 or this /dev/mtd6 Jan 05 12:47:08 alabd: it doesn't matter iirc. jffs2 uses MTD layer anyway. Jan 05 12:47:08 Does anyone know what's up with projects.openmoko.org? It seems to have been down for two days now. Jan 05 12:47:24 KenYoung: jcc1 or roh might know. Jan 05 12:48:46 PaulFertser: you mean can not be mounted on linux / Jan 05 12:49:16 alabd: freerunner runs linux Jan 05 12:49:54 so it's node link is required Jan 05 13:00:28 PaulFertser: http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/ringtones/file/4c84dc2dcdd4/ Jan 05 13:00:44 while using build-package.ksh it gives error that : Jan 05 13:00:54 build_package.ksh[16]: ipkg-build.sh: not found [No such file or directory] Jan 05 13:01:19 despite ipkg-build.sh exists beside it Jan 05 13:36:06 any opinion ? Jan 05 13:47:27 ipkg-build problem maybe solved but now this result http://pastebin.com/f68564cd9 Jan 05 13:49:13 is there a jffs for debian? Jan 05 13:49:28 KoFish: debian does not distribute prebuilt installations Jan 05 13:50:01 lindi-: ok Jan 05 13:50:52 KoFish: (imho for pretty good reasons too) Jan 05 16:20:11 Hello , should necessarily for first time navit feeds be added to opkg ? or with opkg install navit also can be used for first time? Jan 05 17:49:40 How to disable default in the file ? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit#Enable_Maps_in_Navit Jan 05 17:56:09 Now you must let Navit know the maps you want to use. Several disabled mapset-tags are predefined. In the navit.xml file, put the following into a new section (and disable the default just above - or else it will not work): Jan 05 17:56:10 disable the default just above - or else it will not work): < what does this part mean Niz-8] ? Jan 05 18:08:29 can someone tell me which c. capacitor will work from to fix 1024 (adding the capacitor, not replacing)? Jan 05 18:08:37 from here ---> http://www.mouser.com/Passive-Components/Capacitors/Ceramic-Capacitors/Multilayer-Ceramic-Capacitors-MLCC-SMD-SMT/_/N-b2cj?Keyword=ceramic+capacitor+10v+10u&FS=True Jan 05 18:08:50 (which from the list it displays) Jan 05 18:09:34 might be a handy thing to post on one of the how-to's Jan 05 18:11:55 badcloud_: it's supposed to be obvious Jan 05 18:12:09 Paul Jan 05 18:12:14 *hey Paul Jan 05 18:12:19 badcloud_: Hey :) Jan 05 18:12:37 I've got next to no soldering exp, so obvious to someone else, not me Jan 05 18:13:10 I'm gonna practice soldering on a cheap fm radio, then have a crack at fixing 1024 Jan 05 18:13:22 so which is the obvious choice, Paul? Jan 05 18:14:42 badcloud_: http://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Kemet/C0805C106M8PACTU/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvQvaS66kI3ThHsa4UFHXRXxVM56ypZJ%252bs%3d should be ok Jan 05 18:15:34 badcloud_: any X5R 0805 10uF or more will fit. Jan 05 18:17:26 thanks, Paul Jan 05 19:29:23 alabd: look for the line "" Jan 05 19:29:33 that would be disabled Jan 05 19:40:29 Undrwater: no that's enabled Jan 05 19:44:15 fso-gpsd on shr has been ran and then navit has been ran but chip of gps is off yet Jan 05 19:53:50 Undrwater: how to check if gps fw is enabled Jan 05 19:54:36 alabd: which distro? Jan 05 19:54:44 shr Jan 05 19:55:16 did you run fso-gpsd by hand? Jan 05 19:55:55 Undrwater: yeah Jan 05 19:56:20 you shouldn't need to...are you using latest shr-u and shr packed navit? Jan 05 19:56:47 no shr-testing + opkg install navit Jan 05 19:57:11 have you run navit from cli? Jan 05 19:57:58 you may still need to do the libgps17 -> 16 link Jan 05 19:58:08 if you haven't already Jan 05 19:58:19 no that is ok Jan 05 19:58:32 navit is run in terminal Jan 05 19:58:37 by ssh Jan 05 19:58:44 so kill fso-gpsd and start navit without it... Jan 05 19:58:57 also, you can check in settings | position for fixes Jan 05 19:59:16 ok does not navit require gpsd ? Jan 05 19:59:27 it will get it automatically Jan 05 19:59:39 fso will provide it Jan 05 19:59:56 that's my understanding anyway Jan 05 20:00:26 Undrwater: nope Jan 05 20:00:31 Undrwater: fso-gpsd should be started Jan 05 20:00:33 also /home/root/.navit/maps.xml has been changed to get maps but it checkd /home/root/.navit/navit.xml yet Jan 05 20:00:52 PaulFertser: does navit start it then, somehow? Jan 05 20:01:03 or is it running by default...i've never started it Jan 05 20:01:11 Undrwater: if it uses some libgps, well, probably Jan 05 20:01:32 navit uses libgps Jan 05 20:01:51 also /home/root/.navit/maps.xml has been changed to get maps but it checkd /home/root/.navit/navit.xml yet Undrwater Jan 05 20:02:56 alabd: navit.xml is the default file it looks for...if maps.xml is referenced in the navit.xml, it should pick up those maps Jan 05 20:03:50 vehicle_gpsd:vehicle_gpsd_try_open:gps_open failed for 'gpsd://localhost'. Retrying in 10 seconds. Have you started gpsd? Jan 05 20:04:24 so fso-gpsd should not be disabled Jan 05 20:04:31 yes Undrwater Jan 05 20:04:34 ok...let's step back...can you get a fix using the settings app? Jan 05 20:04:46 no Jan 05 20:04:52 chip is off Jan 05 20:04:54 also Jan 05 20:05:37 Undrwater: are you sure libgps starts fso-gpsd and not gpsd? Jan 05 20:05:38 GPS Radio should show a slider with "Auto | Manual" Jan 05 20:06:02 nothing Jan 05 20:06:13 in position Undrwater ? Jan 05 20:06:20 PaulFertser: no, i'm not sure...but i know that navit doesn't require any intervention to get the gps started Jan 05 20:06:30 alabd: set to manual Jan 05 20:06:30 (GSM is disabld also ) Jan 05 20:06:46 another slider should show in "off" position...turn it to "on" Jan 05 20:06:46 Undrwater: where? Jan 05 20:06:55 Undrwater: why Manual??? Jan 05 20:07:02 ahhh...maybe difference between shr-u and shr-t Jan 05 20:07:07 Undrwater: unless you need something special the resource policy should be Auto. Jan 05 20:07:11 For every resource. Jan 05 20:07:12 PaulFertser: just to test that he can get fix Jan 05 20:07:31 Undrwater: that can be tested by observing frameworkd.log Jan 05 20:07:57 without turning device on? Jan 05 20:08:17 Undrwater: fso-gpsd requests the resource and the device is turned on automatically. Jan 05 20:08:24 Undrwater: whenever somebody is connected to fso-gpsd. Jan 05 20:08:36 Undrwater: other possibility is to use fso-raw to request the same resource. Jan 05 20:08:49 PaulFertser: right...but in alabd's case, it appears gps is not being turned on Jan 05 20:08:58 alabd: you can update maps.xml directly in /usr/share/navit (it won't be rewritten during upgrade), otherwise you have to update path to maps.xml in navit.xml.. Jan 05 20:09:22 JaMa: how ? Jan 05 20:09:48 but where is that manual setting for gps ? Jan 05 20:09:54 but where is that manual setting for gps ? und Jan 05 20:09:57 Undrwater: Jan 05 20:10:04 alabd: the same as in .navit you only use cd to different directory :) Jan 05 20:10:06 maybe not available on shr-t Jan 05 20:10:39 * JaMa never used shr-t but 90% its the same shr-settings like shr-u Jan 05 20:10:57 alabd: did you do: ln -s /usr/lib/libgps17 /usr/lib/libgps16 Jan 05 20:11:07 Undrwater: tyes Jan 05 20:11:09 yes Jan 05 20:11:19 alabd: did you install libgps? Jan 05 20:11:25 do you mean manual setting should be in position ? Jan 05 20:12:13 Undrwater: why that should be needed for navit from shr feeds? Jan 05 20:12:13 jama how to say navit.xml to check maps.xml for maps ? Jan 05 20:12:19 alabd: settings app | Position | Gps Radio slider should show "Auto', correct? Jan 05 20:12:34 Undrwater: no such thing Jan 05 20:12:41 Undrwater: its only for navit from navit feeds because its built against om2008.sth Jan 05 20:13:02 alabd: see xi:include there in navit.xml Jan 05 20:13:24 JaMa: but he's not getting gps started when navit starts Jan 05 20:14:18 JaMa: then ? Jan 05 20:14:22 Undrwater: libgps17 - 2.38-r1.4 Jan 05 20:14:22 JaMa: alabd: vehicle_gpsd:vehicle_gpsd_try_open:gps_open failed for 'gpsd://localhost'. Retrying in 10 seconds. Have you started gpsd? Jan 05 20:14:37 Undrwater: you said to disable it Jan 05 20:14:57 Undrwater: that means that fso-gpsd is not running (at least not on localhost..) Jan 05 20:15:03 no...not what i meant...i meant that navit should start gps automatically Jan 05 20:15:29 alabd: OK...restart fso-gpsd Jan 05 20:15:37 ok Undrwater Jan 05 20:15:37 Undrwater: don't you mean request GPS as fso resource? Jan 05 20:15:55 JaMa: actually i don't know how navit does it... Jan 05 20:16:12 but i've never had to start fso-gpsd before starting navit Jan 05 20:16:27 JaMa: do you mean this should be added in navit.xml which part of that ? Jan 05 20:17:33 alabd: no I don't mean anything like this Jan 05 20:17:56 alabd: just edit the files in /usr/share/navit/ and remove all ~/.navit/*.xml Jan 05 20:18:29 PaulFertser: is not chip off for that fr is in building ? Jan 05 20:18:37 JaMa: alabd: forgive me...wasn't aware fso-gpsd is started as an init service Jan 05 20:19:01 JaMa: navit:main_real:Using '/home/root/.navit/navit.xml' Jan 05 20:19:16 navit will use it Jan 05 20:19:24 alabd: no Jan 05 20:19:37 alabd: just edit the files in /usr/share/navit/ and REMOVE ALL ~/.navit/*.xml Jan 05 20:19:43 alabd: no it won't ^^ Jan 05 20:20:14 navit is running and it opens windows containing maps Jan 05 20:20:18 but chip is off Jan 05 20:20:20 0 Jan 05 20:20:35 demo maps? Jan 05 20:20:36 how do you test that "chip is off"? Jan 05 20:23:49 jama cat /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on Jan 05 20:23:56 Undrwater: no bin Jan 05 20:24:11 why chip is off ??? Jan 05 20:24:23 PaulFertser: fw ? Jan 05 20:26:03 http://pogoplug.com/dev/linux.html WTF? Jan 05 20:26:11 alabd: read the frameworkd log, try to request the resource manually Jan 05 20:27:10 try to request the resource manually ? Jan 05 20:28:09 PaulFertser: as we talked about rootdelay before.. you were right again.. seems like rootdelay=5 in append want enough for 2.6.32 (well sometimes it worked.., everytime it worked with that debug enabled..) Jan 05 20:28:36 PaulFertser: with rootdelay=15 it seems ok everytime :) Jan 05 20:28:38 alabd: read the FSO_Resources wikipage Jan 05 20:28:53 JaMa: cool :)) Jan 05 20:28:59 JaMa: a bit too long though. Jan 05 20:29:10 PaulFertser: rebooting with 6 atm :) Jan 05 20:29:26 and rebooted ok Jan 05 20:29:27 if you mean that position page it does not contain manual setting ... Jan 05 20:32:16 jama what's that vehical part ? Jan 05 20:33:02 I have no idea what are you talking about Jan 05 20:33:20 jama for example Jan 05 20:33:21 Jan 05 20:33:21 Jan 05 20:33:31 will garmin work or not ? Jan 05 20:33:58 * JaMa is not using any garmin maps.. Jan 05 20:34:01 no idea Jan 05 20:35:02 no question is about xml Jan 05 20:35:17 one enabled in no and one is yes Jan 05 20:35:25 then will it work or not ? Jan 05 20:35:45 /dev/mtdblock6 PaulFertser is nand node link is not detected in linux Jan 05 20:36:04 alabd: sorry but i do not understand what you mean Jan 05 20:36:45 /dev/mtdblock6 is NAND node link Jan 05 20:37:13 and is not in /dev folder of linux desktop Jan 05 20:37:30 No wonder you have no NAND on your desktop Jan 05 20:38:17 can not it be like usb storage Jan 05 20:38:37 It can't Jan 05 20:38:51 alabd: then garmin maps won't be used because whole mapset is disabled Jan 05 20:39:06 thanks and baout vehical Jan 05 20:39:22 Tips and Tricks Jan 05 20:39:22 Center on Vehicle Jan 05 20:39:22 Navit supports a "always center on vehicle" option. Jan 05 20:39:22 To activate this add Jan 05 20:39:44 what's that ? Jan 05 20:41:08 there is not such a choices to select manually gps tunring on in position in shr testing PaulFertser Jan 05 20:41:57 alabd: please read the FSO_Resources wikipage Jan 05 20:42:09 sure PaulFertser Jan 05 20:48:15 and where frameworkd log has not been found Jan 05 20:49:03 JaMa: after running navit a window is opened but maps is white Jan 05 20:49:05 navit:main_real:Using '/home/root/.navit/navit.xml' Jan 05 20:50:10 alabd: JaMa told you to (re)move /home/root/.navit/navit.xml Jan 05 20:50:34 but wiki told to creat Undrwater Jan 05 20:50:38 ok Jan 05 20:51:05 navit wiki is a bit outdated Jan 05 20:51:20 you can also join #navit for navit specific help Jan 05 20:53:22 Undrwater: ok after running navit a windows with choices like actions , setting , .. is up what should be done now ? Jan 05 20:53:30 but it doesn't cover shr specific and splitted configs.. Jan 05 20:57:54 alabd: do you have a mapset downloaded and on your device? if so, is it set in your /usr/share/navit/maps.xml file with mapset enabled ="yes" Jan 05 20:58:11 JaMa, hi! sorry, where is boniee+? Jan 05 20:58:33 max_posedon: in shr-feeds :) Jan 05 20:58:33 max_posedon: heh, i know why you ask :) Jan 05 20:58:42 max_posedon: for shr-u Jan 05 20:59:33 I just don't see it in feeds just after opkg update Jan 05 21:10:24 JaMa, are you sure that its in feeds? under which name? Jan 05 21:12:22 max_posedon: bonnie++ Jan 05 21:14:15 ah, ok, see now) Jan 05 21:22:32 Undrwater: yes it is set Jan 05 21:23:08 alabd: and you have a map downloaded? Jan 05 21:23:22 yes .bin Jan 05 21:24:37 pastebin your maps.xml file Jan 05 21:30:24 also PaulFertser Jan 05 21:30:24 root@om-gta02 ~ $ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage \ Jan 05 21:30:25 > org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy GPS enabled Jan 05 21:30:56 /org/freesmartphone/Usage: SetResourcePolicy failed: org.freesmartphone.Usage.ResourceUnknown (Resource GPS had never been registered) Jan 05 21:31:19 alabd: probably that's a hint. Check frameworkd log. Jan 05 21:31:33 where is the log ? Jan 05 21:31:37 alabd: and also check fsoraw Jan 05 21:33:14 PaulFertser: jama root@om-gta02 ~ $ fsoraw -l Jan 05 21:33:14 Resource List: Jan 05 21:33:14 CPU Jan 05 21:33:14 Display Jan 05 21:33:14 UsbHost Jan 05 21:33:15 WiFi Jan 05 21:33:17 Bluetooth Jan 05 21:33:19 GSM Jan 05 21:33:21 Accelerometer Jan 05 21:33:23 no GPS Jan 05 21:33:53 alabd: do you have standard shr kernel? Jan 05 21:36:25 JaMa: yes Jan 05 21:36:51 Undrwater: http://pastebin.com/m78b0a9 Jan 05 21:37:56 hm.. whats the most likely cause of shr on my gta01 losing sound, phonecall sound works, just no wav/mp3 out the stereo speakers or headset Jan 05 21:38:57 alabd: great...that's your navit.xml now pastebin your maps.xml :) Jan 05 21:39:50 Undrwater: http://pastebin.com/m71b49f8b Jan 05 21:40:09 PaulFertser: a sleep ? Jan 05 21:40:49 alabd: /var/log/frameworkd.log? Jan 05 21:41:15 alabd: you may want to use the full path and specify one file Jan 05 21:42:05 maybe Jan 05 21:42:18 alabd: you may have created the /home/root/navit directory...if not, the default is /home/root/.navit Jan 05 21:43:48 alabd: also it looks like you're having trouble with the gps resource...you might want to sort that out before worrying about the navit files...typically your map is shown once navit gets a gps fix Jan 05 21:44:00 PaulFertser: http://pastebin.com/me4626ff Jan 05 21:44:39 Undrwater: maybe yes Jan 05 21:47:18 PaulFertser: leave it you are 90% tired leave it for tommorow also humble should go Jan 05 21:48:23 JaMa: PaulFertser any opinion why GPS is not in resources list Jan 05 21:49:59 hi, is there a tutorial for creating a simple python gui application for the freerunnen (using SHR) Jan 05 21:50:11 alabd: no idea, one should read frameworkd log to answer that Jan 05 21:50:38 ok humble send it to shr and openmko ml Jan 05 21:50:47 alabd: aha, the traceback!!! Jan 05 21:50:57 ogpsd.factory Jan 05 21:51:10 KeyError: '/dev/ttySAC1' Jan 05 21:51:18 ! Jan 05 21:51:31 hmm, for QT i cannot use SHR right? Jan 05 21:51:44 gpsdev = globals()[devname]( controller.bus, channel ) Jan 05 21:52:22 alabd: one needs to read the source code to answer the question. Are you sure you didn't alter frameworkd.conf in any way after installing shr testing? Jan 05 21:53:00 yes Jan 05 21:53:36 almost yes Jan 05 21:53:55 source of ? Jan 05 21:54:35 alabd: frameworkd Jan 05 21:54:42 alabd: devs should solve that Jan 05 21:55:10 alabd: that traceback message is really important, paste it unabridged. Jan 05 21:55:21 alabd: if you're going to write to some ML. Jan 05 21:55:53 sure Jan 05 22:03:31 God peace you , thank you PaulFertser JaMa Undrwater bye Jan 05 22:05:47 <{g}> Hey People! How is it going with the OpenMoko Phone? Anybody using it? Anybody here from Germany? Jan 05 22:07:29 {g}: yes, yes Jan 05 22:07:37 Not that it matters Jan 05 22:08:16 <{g}> PaulFertser: so you are using the freerunner in germany? is ik working fine? which carrier? Jan 05 22:12:13 {g}: are you a developer? If yes, freerunner might be of interest to you. If not, i'm afraid you'll get disappointed. It works fine with any GSM network operator. And when i was in germany it worked fine in a network i was roamed to (i forgot the name). Jan 05 22:15:23 <{g}> PaulFertser: i do code, but i dont want to code just to get the phone working :) why would a non-developer get dissapointed? Jan 05 22:16:08 <{g}> does the freerunner come with a terminal by default? so i can edit text with vim and run bash scripts? Jan 05 22:21:10 {g}: sure Jan 05 22:21:27 {g} the 'hardware' freerunner does have no 'terminal', but an USB connector, maybe a USB keyboard (if such thing exist) may work. alternatively you can use Bluetooth (no success getting my BT keyboard connected) or SSH (v2!) to connect to the FR Jan 05 22:21:32 {g}: you should think of it as of a small arm computer running GNU/Linux with gps, wifi, GSM units. Jan 05 22:21:54 rhaeder: all decent distros come with an X terminal emulator pre-installed and useable. Jan 05 22:22:10 {g}: the gsm software is probably not as stable as many of us would like. Jan 05 22:22:11 yes, I know. at least xterm :) Jan 05 22:22:49 BTW: I need to update my FR ;) Jan 05 22:23:01 I have very recent packages here Jan 05 22:23:26 in om2009.9 distri where are the desktop items located? Jan 05 22:23:35 {g}: also if you buy something earlier than A7 you have to do some soldering to fix gsm buzz. And to get almost twice the standby time you need to do some soldering unconditionally. Jan 05 22:24:11 rhaeder: sth like /usr/share/applications/ ? Jan 05 22:24:25 ok Jan 05 22:27:26 <{g}> PaulFertser: why dont they do the double-the-standby soldering by default? Jan 05 22:27:54 {g}: it was found too late, all mass-produced devices were already out the fab. Jan 05 22:28:27 <{g}> there are amazingly little informations on openmoko.com Jan 05 22:28:32 <{g}> is that the right website? Jan 05 22:28:38 {g}: wiki.openmoko.org Jan 05 22:28:44 {g}: is the right :) Jan 05 22:28:57 {g}: though it has plenty of obsolete info as well. Jan 05 22:29:08 <- not a dev and not completely unhappy Jan 05 22:29:18 Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/armv4/Packages.gz <-- no longer maintained? Jan 05 22:29:36 rhaeder: why are you using 2009.9? Jan 05 22:29:59 Undrwater: yes, still. Jan 05 22:30:25 I like Paroli because of it's simplicity Jan 05 22:30:34 you can use paroli with shr Jan 05 22:30:40 which is actively maintained Jan 05 22:30:57 btw is still someone working on paroli? Jan 05 22:31:34 is there a guideline available to switch om2009.9->SHR? Jan 05 22:32:07 rhaeder: you need to reflash.. Jan 05 22:33:14 ok, so backup whole /root/ + non-om2009.9 feeds and it works? I have some extra feeds Jan 05 22:33:16 looks like activity on paroli is slow since october Jan 05 22:33:46 some feeds may break shr Jan 05 22:33:58 such as angstrom Jan 05 22:34:32 rhaeder: yes.. some feeds break stuff and the rest may not work.. Jan 05 22:34:33 look at shr user manual in the wiki Jan 05 22:34:35 http://www.pastebin.org/71521 <-- don't worry about that signature check failures :) Jan 05 22:34:58 rhaeder: if you need some extra stuff not available in shr-feeds fill a ticket in shr track Jan 05 22:35:15 for example. PHP5 :) (I know, it is crap ;) ) Jan 05 22:35:16 and we will try to add it to shr feeds Jan 05 22:35:36 with socket support Jan 05 22:35:49