**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 10 02:59:56 2010
Jan 10 08:39:58 <naught101_> I just installed the latest SHR image, and now when I connect my FR via usb, I get nothing
Jan 10 08:40:21 <naught101_> lsusb doesn't show the device..
Jan 10 08:43:35 <naught101_> and lsusb on the FR shows nothing at all - not even any linux foundation root hubs
Jan 10 08:52:34 <gena2x> naught101_: did you tried reloading usb module?
Jan 10 08:56:48 <naught101_> gena2x: no.. usb_core?
Jan 10 09:08:31 <naught101_> gena2x: there doesn't appear to be a usb module... SHR install instructions mention copying a tar.gz onto the FR and then running depmod, but I don't know how to copy anything onto the FR, cause I don't have a USB connection...
Jan 10 09:26:38 <naught101_> damn. anyone have any idea how to get usb working on SHR?
Jan 10 09:26:50 <PaulFertser> naught101_: SHR should already have all the modules
Jan 10 09:27:02 <PaulFertser> naught101_: on FR there should be g_ether loaded
Jan 10 09:27:44 <naught101_> PaulFertser: it's not though
Jan 10 09:27:47 <PaulFertser> naught101_: lsusb on FR shouldn't show much
Jan 10 09:27:55 <PaulFertser> naught101_: try loading it manually then
Jan 10 09:28:09 <naught101_> no, but lsmod|grep eth doesn't either
Jan 10 09:28:14 <naught101_> modprobe g_ether doesn't work
Jan 10 09:29:09 <PaulFertser> naught101_: how exactly doesn't it work?
Jan 10 09:29:18 <gena2x> naught101_: oh, i get idea, may be you just flashed wrong kernel. do you have same dates of kernel image and shr rootfs?
Jan 10 09:29:51 <gena2x> PaulFertser: morning 
Jan 10 09:29:56 <PaulFertser> gena2x: morning
Jan 10 09:30:10 <naught101_> PaulFertser: FATAL: Could not load...
Jan 10 09:30:19 <PaulFertser> naught101_: check dmesg
Jan 10 09:30:20 <naught101_> gena2x: that could be it
Jan 10 09:30:42 <gena2x> naught101_: check on shr site and reflash
Jan 10 09:30:54 <gena2x> naught101_: if in doubt
Jan 10 09:31:08 <naught101_> ok, I will try that
Jan 10 09:32:28 <naught101_> gena2x: it's safe to flash the kernel without flashing the rootfs, right?
Jan 10 09:32:36 <PaulFertser> gena2x: dmesg can tell for sure why module can't be loaded
Jan 10 09:32:38 <gena2x> naught101_: sure
Jan 10 09:34:42 <gena2x> PaulFertser: yes, but 95% percent that problem is in that i've told
Jan 10 09:34:57 <naught101_> damn.. I'm not sure which file I need. the modprobe error is:
Jan 10 09:35:07 <PaulFertser> gena2x: like i said i do not like to do or advice things i do not fully understand :)
Jan 10 09:35:53 <naught101_> ah... right, I accidentally flashed the qtmoko kernel :/
Jan 10 09:36:59 <gena2x> PaulFertser: hear?
Jan 10 09:38:11 <PaulFertser> gena2x: if you just told him reflash the kernel it would look like magic and he's not motivated to look at dmesg output the next time he sees a problem.
Jan 10 09:39:03 <gena2x> PaulFertser: do you know how elf file loaded to memory on arm? but you loading application without problems think that you know that you are doing, and it is, even you not encourged to learn ABI
Jan 10 09:39:21 <PaulFertser> gena2x: hm, in fact i've read about arm abi
Jan 10 09:39:32 <naught101_> PaulFertser: it's ok, I know why you're asking me to check dmesg
Jan 10 09:39:38 <PaulFertser> gena2x: and the most important thing is that i know where to look
Jan 10 09:39:40 <gena2x> PaulFertser: in details :)
Jan 10 09:39:52 <naught101_> but it's pretty painful without ssh...  :D
Jan 10 09:40:16 <PaulFertser> gena2x: yes, i've read series of blogpost written by the guy who wrote dynamic linker translating OABI->EABI with the purpose of running gllin on gta01.
Jan 10 09:40:34 <gena2x> naught101_: this is continuation of out previous talk with Paul, take that in accaunt
Jan 10 09:41:52 <naught101_> :)
Jan 10 09:41:59 <PaulFertser> gena2x: well, i like digging the things. Many people do not. And i also like it when people learn.
Jan 10 09:42:41 <gena2x> PaulFertser: you true hacker :) I studiing only areas of interest - it's impossible to know everything :)
Jan 10 09:43:25 <PaulFertser> gena2x: for us it's obvious that when host doesn't behave one way or another it's usually beneficial to take a look at dmesg. If it becomes so for naught101_ probably he'll save his time whenever he sees problems again.
Jan 10 09:44:07 <gena2x> PaulFertser: but he already know about dmesg, listen to him.
Jan 10 09:44:20 <PaulFertser> gena2x: heh, i'm ready to study almost anything. Not really deep though. Just recently i watched a lecture about biology and "creating life". ;)
Jan 10 09:44:57 <tim_abell> you sure that wasn't on one of those paid for channels? :D
Jan 10 09:45:18 <gena2x> PaulFertser: heh, few years ago i moved my sight to history.
Jan 10 09:45:18 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: recording from Wonderfest
Jan 10 09:45:45 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: hm, porno-lecture probably would be fun to watch but i'm yet to find one :)
Jan 10 09:46:03 <gena2x> PaulFertser: one can spend as much time as have learning history :)
Jan 10 09:46:11 <PaulFertser> gena2x: indeed
Jan 10 09:46:28 <tim_abell> http://www.wonderfest.com/ <- this one?
Jan 10 09:47:07 <tim_abell> http://www.wonderfest.org/wp/ <- this looks more likely
Jan 10 09:47:16 <naught101_> yay... finally... I reflashed it wrong again, but now it's working
Jan 10 09:47:40 <naught101_> Shr and qtmoko images/kernels need to be named appropriately...
Jan 10 09:47:45 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: first i watched this http://fora.tv/2009/11/08/Science_Laughs_Science_Comedian_Brian_Malow
Jan 10 09:48:37 <tim_abell> cool
Jan 10 09:48:45 <tim_abell> thx for the link
Jan 10 09:49:16 <gena2x> PaulFertser: i understand you position and think it's equally good. mb i spend just too much time on commercical development with release dates and so :)
Jan 10 09:49:41 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: most videos are 'downloadable' and can be watched directly with mplayer.
Jan 10 09:50:33 <gena2x> PaulFertser: btw, thanks for mentioning CCC, i had fun watching videos from where.
Jan 10 09:51:55 <PaulFertser> gena2x: (commercial development) well, just yesterday i've read again the old joke about the apple tree where the monkey is told "think" and starts thinking and reaches for a stick whereas a military guy when told "think" says "no time for thinking, gotta shake!".
Jan 10 09:52:16 <PaulFertser> gena2x: (ccc) i'm yet to view all those i want. :)
Jan 10 09:56:57 <gena2x> PaulFertser: many development organisations in russia look like military bunkers with sergeants and comrads and so :(
Jan 10 09:57:44 <gena2x> PaulFertser: with exception that everyone come to 11:30 :)
Jan 10 09:59:08 <gena2x> PaulFertser: i had one manager who gone to Finland and told 'you know, here is different style of management'. that were very funny :)
Jan 10 09:59:13 <PaulFertser> gena2x: at work we collaborate with a research institute that developes stuff for the military. Oh man, the code those guys in the research institute write is horrible. 
Jan 10 10:00:41 <gena2x> PaulFertser: i worked for military for some years too, you may not tell me :)
Jan 10 10:01:29 <PaulFertser> gena2x: they say that they do not work at all for long time (because nobody know what to do) then suddenly upper management passes them some loosy requirements and a dead-line that appears to be yesterday. They start "doing" things in a weird way because of that and also because they lack in-depth *nix knoledge. The result is miserable.
Jan 10 10:01:52 <Gabrys> their code is secure, because no-one would understand it, so it's hard to steal ;-)
Jan 10 10:01:59 <gena2x> ok, all problems seem solve, I'm gone to ski while it's daylight :)
Jan 10 10:02:05 <PaulFertser> Nice plan
Jan 10 10:02:20 <PaulFertser> gena2x: have a nice ski-walk :)
Jan 10 10:02:35 <gena2x> -16 here, i hope all be ok thanks :)
Jan 10 10:02:54 <naught101_> ok, now I have usb0 up one host and FR, on 192.168.0.20(2|0), but I can't ping from either one to the other
Jan 10 10:03:41 <Gabrys> naught101_: sometimes you need to re-plug the cord again
Jan 10 10:03:56 <naught101_> Gabrys: I tried that, will again...
Jan 10 10:04:22 <naught101_> nope. still host unreachable
Jan 10 10:04:38 <Gabrys> you may also have some other network working on 192.168.0.*
Jan 10 10:04:46 <Gabrys> basically display the routing table (route -n)
Jan 10 10:04:47 <PaulFertser> naught101_: default config supposes host is 192.168.0.200 and fr is 192.168.0.202
Jan 10 10:05:08 <naught101_> PaulFertser: that's what I've got
Jan 10 10:05:23 <naught101_> Gabrys: nope, house Wifi is 10.1.1.1
Jan 10 10:07:17 <naught101_> maybe I should try rebooting both. back in a bit
Jan 10 10:08:12 <PaulFertser> Oh man
Jan 10 10:08:22 <PaulFertser> Rebooting is rarely a right solution
Jan 10 10:08:25 <tim_abell> PaulFertser: that video was a damn good giggle
Jan 10 10:08:57 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: i'm glad you enjoyed it :)
Jan 10 10:09:03 <gena2x> naught101_: don't listen him or you'll end up with knowledge of full arm ABI :)
Jan 10 10:09:23 <PaulFertser> and a long beard
Jan 10 10:09:51 <naught101_> I haven't left yet, if you've got a better idea PaulFertser
Jan 10 10:10:17 <PaulFertser> naught101_: well, are you sure that's not iptables interfering?
Jan 10 10:10:58 <naught101_> PaulFertser: yep, flushed everything, everything is set to accept
Jan 10 10:11:11 <tim_abell> woo, i can use glade on shr
Jan 10 10:11:17 <tim_abell> that's a relief
Jan 10 10:11:21 <PaulFertser> naught101_: ok, check routing on FR, sometimes it has default route set to ppp0 or eth0 or something.
Jan 10 10:12:15 <naught101_> nope, it's usb0
Jan 10 10:13:16 <naught101_> FR>host doesn't say host unreachable, it just drops all packets
Jan 10 10:13:34 <naught101_> ping, that is
Jan 10 10:14:23 <PaulFertser> naught101_: it'd be probably interesting to see tcpdump output
Jan 10 10:14:29 <PaulFertser> naught101_: on both sides
Jan 10 10:14:51 <naught101_> you want me to hand type it from the FR? :D
Jan 10 10:16:33 <naught101_> PaulFertser: well, if I run tcpdump -i usb0 and ping the FR concurrently, I get nothing on the host
Jan 10 10:17:12 <naught101_> and apparently there IS no tcpdump on SHR by default
Jan 10 10:18:46 <PaulFertser> naught101_: oh
Jan 10 10:19:00 <PaulFertser> naught101_: do you have FR listed in arp table on your host?
Jan 10 10:19:20 <naught101_> arp?
Jan 10 10:21:04 <PaulFertser> naught101_: yep, the table used to tranlate between IP and MAC addresses.
Jan 10 10:21:30 <naught101_> PaulFertser: ? (192.168.0.202) at <incomplete> on usb0
Jan 10 10:21:45 <naught101_> from arp -a -i usb0
Jan 10 10:21:56 <PaulFertser> naught101_: ok, so either the packet doesn't reach FR or FR doesn't respond...
Jan 10 10:22:19 <PaulFertser> naught101_: i'm out of ideas for now...
Jan 10 10:22:30 <PaulFertser> naught101_: gotta have some breakfast first probably :)
Jan 10 10:23:16 <naught101_> ok, reboot it is then :) back in a bit
Jan 10 10:31:45 <naught101> does the conenction require g_ether?
Jan 10 10:32:01 <naught101> or is usbnet or cdc_ether ok?
Jan 10 10:32:46 <PaulFertser> naught101: on FR it is g_ether
Jan 10 10:32:51 <PaulFertser> naught101: on host it is cdc_ether
Jan 10 10:33:39 <PaulFertser> naught101: and btw with any reasonably recent distribution you'll usually have ethX appear on host because the permanent MAC address for FR's usb interface should be read from factory partition.
Jan 10 10:33:48 <naught101> PaulFertser: ok, well both of those are loaded, but now the host doesn't seem to be bringing up usb0
Jan 10 10:34:03 <naught101> AHH!!!
Jan 10 10:34:10 <naught101> it's now eth2!!!
Jan 10 10:34:20 <naught101> that might be it >:)
Jan 10 10:47:13 <naught101_> bah.. now networking is working, even with networkmanager running, but iptables forwarding isn't...
Jan 10 10:51:50 <Gabrys> hi
Jan 10 10:51:59 <Gabrys> I got into problems with SHR unstable
Jan 10 10:52:10 <Gabrys> I mean SHR testing 
Jan 10 10:52:20 <Gabrys> the currently developed one
Jan 10 10:52:51 <Gabrys> after an upgrade, it stopped booting, so I chrooted into it from hackable1 and did opkg upgrade 
Jan 10 10:53:07 <Gabrys> it boots fine, but it seems FSO deamon does not work correctly
Jan 10 10:53:30 <Gabrys> I have no GSM network and Connectivity settings says "Couldn't connect to FSO"
Jan 10 10:54:28 <Gabrys> I tried reinstalling every package with fso in name (opkg list-installed | grep fso | awk '{print $1}' > to-reinstall ; opkg install -force-reinstall `cat to-reinstall`), but it partially fails this way: 
Jan 10 10:54:33 <Gabrys> http://pastebin.com/m23ae3223
Jan 10 10:54:41 <Gabrys> do you have any hint for me?
Jan 10 10:55:02 <PaulFertser> Gabrys: yep, there's a problem currently
Jan 10 10:55:21 <Gabrys> how do I fix/workaround it?
Jan 10 10:55:52 <PaulFertser> Gabrys: make sure fsogsmd is not running
Jan 10 10:56:01 <PaulFertser> Gabrys: restart
Jan 10 10:56:10 <PaulFertser> Gabrys: read the frameworkd log.
Jan 10 10:56:43 <Gabrys> PaulFertser: restart phone or some service?
Jan 10 10:58:00 <PaulFertser> Gabrys: i'd kill frameworkd and everything related and restarted frameworkd
Jan 10 11:01:43 <Gabrys> PaulFertser: sadly I don't see anything fatal in log :(
Jan 10 11:02:14 <Gabrys> opimd error reading contacts.csv and warning about writing to /proc/... gps-enable file
Jan 10 11:02:28 <PaulFertser> Gabrys: then you need to restart ophonekitd too
Jan 10 11:02:33 <PaulFertser> Gabrys: to have it request gsm resource.
Jan 10 11:02:45 <Gabrys> I see one more thing!
Jan 10 11:02:55 <PaulFertser> Gabrys: 14:01 < mrmoku> daniele_athome: opkg -force-depends remove fsogsmd helps
Jan 10 11:03:08 <Gabrys> WARNING  Can't register resource GSM since ousaged is not present. Enabling device
Jan 10 11:03:32 <Gabrys> WARNING  SIM-Contacts-FSO: Could not request SIM phonebook from ogsmd : org.freesmartphone.Resource.NotEnabled: Resource Device is not enabled, current status is 'unknown'
Jan 10 11:03:51 <PaulFertser> Gabrys: ousaged is not present? weird
Jan 10 11:04:06 <Gabrys> yes, fsousaged in not "installable"
Jan 10 11:04:14 <Gabrys> http://pastebin.com/m23ae3223
Jan 10 11:05:37 <Gabrys> but opkg install fsousaged (without -force-reinstall) says it's up to date, strange 
Jan 10 11:06:57 <PaulFertser> Gabrys: join #openmoko-cdevel
Jan 10 11:23:57 <Guest85909> JaMa: sorry for replying initially directly to you, I resent my reply to the list...
Jan 10 11:32:30 <JaMa> Guest85909: no problem.. I replied to list too
Jan 10 11:35:34 <Guest85909> JaMa: I saw your post. thanx
Jan 10 11:39:46 <naught101_> is it possible to add/remove icons from the home screen in SHR?
Jan 10 11:40:58 <tim_abell> naught101_: look in /usr/share/applications ?
Jan 10 11:41:09 <tim_abell> add/remove .desktop files
Jan 10 11:41:25 <naught101_> tim_abell: thanks
Jan 10 11:41:29 <tim_abell> np
Jan 10 11:46:55 <naught101_> is the only way to sort the icons in alphabetical order?
Jan 10 11:48:08 <naught101_> and is it possible to create a folder (or something) with multiple icons in it, to take more icons off the main screen?
Jan 10 11:52:13 <PaulFertser> naught101_: yep, illume main screen sucks
Jan 10 11:52:22 <PaulFertser> naught101_: you might like the "launcher" by c_c.
Jan 10 11:53:06 <PaulFertser> naught101_: but i've no idea where his repo is.
Jan 10 11:53:25 * JaMa needs only "medium" sized icons and running by double click
Jan 10 11:53:39 <JaMa> naught101_, PaulFertser: shr-launcher in shr feeds
Jan 10 11:54:02 <PaulFertser> JaMa: ah, so he changed his mind and finally used a sane name and a repo? 
Jan 10 11:54:27 <JaMa> PaulFertser: its there for long time..
Jan 10 11:55:20 <JaMa> PaulFertser: it was updated in recipe first, but then c_c cleaned all his repositories.. so I could remove all recipe hacks..
Jan 10 11:55:20 <naught101_> will try when I get iptables working, thanks JaMa
Jan 10 11:55:41 <naught101_> simple 1 before the dialer works nicely
Jan 10 11:57:10 <naught101_> Chain POSTROUTING -> 0     0 MASQUERADE  all  --  *      wlan0   192.168.0.0/24       0.0.0.0/0
Jan 10 11:57:11 <naught101_> looks right, yes?
Jan 10 11:57:31 <PaulFertser> JaMa: c_c looked like a very weird guy. Never talking about his repo on community ML, just attaching some random binaries...
Jan 10 11:57:56 <PaulFertser> naught101_: ip_forward enabled?
Jan 10 11:59:49 <naught101_> no, thank you Paul :)
Jan 10 12:02:40 <naught101_> I have to say, SHR is pretty impressive
Jan 10 12:04:07 <PaulFertser> naught101_: it's nice you get it working :)
Jan 10 12:06:19 <JaMa> PaulFertser: yes.. but now its in really good shape in OE repo and IIRC he also said that it looks like he will never need to push binaries to list again 
Jan 10 12:07:29 <JaMa> PaulFertser: see changes in http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/log/recipes/shr/shr-launcher_svn.bb
Jan 10 12:12:08 <PaulFertser> JaMa: good to hear
Jan 10 12:17:36 <naught101_> there's two sets of power settings - I guess one for SHR and one for Illume. Does one override the other?
Jan 10 12:45:45 <naught101_> does shr use gtk?
Jan 10 12:54:49 <naught101_> I mean, Illume
Jan 10 12:56:51 <Kero> oh dear, bitbake is in some infinite loop. after only a few manual bitbake commands (and no config file hacking, afaict)
Jan 10 12:57:29 <Kero> well, it never stays "preparing runqueue" for >5 minutes. Amazingly, it just continued...
Jan 10 13:00:58 <hipitihop>  anyone here tried the new uImage-v17.bin ?
Jan 10 13:03:33 <Guest85909> what is the opkg  command to downgrade busybox to 1.13.2-r23.1.4
Jan 10 13:04:52 <Gabrys> how does fso-abyss work anyway?
Jan 10 13:05:31 <naught101_> Guest85909: --force-downgrade
Jan 10 13:05:38 <Gabrys> if I launch it manually from command line it just prints to "INFO" messages
Jan 10 13:05:47 <Gabrys> s/to/two/
Jan 10 13:05:48 <infobot> Gabrys meant: if I launch it manually from command line it just prints two "INFO" messages
Jan 10 13:06:05 <Gabrys> and then does nothing till I Ctrl-C it
Jan 10 13:06:24 <Gabrys> and then it says  Oops: Session has to be initialized first.
Jan 10 13:06:54 <Guest85909> naught101_: I tried this command: opkg --force-downgrade upgrade busybox_1.13.2-r23.1.4_armv4t.ipk
Jan 10 13:07:22 <Guest85909> with this result: opkg: busybox_1.13.2-r23.1.4_armv4t.ipk: No such file or directory
Jan 10 13:08:32 <Guest85909> * Failed to extract control file from busybox_1.13.2-r23.1.4_armv4t.ipk
Jan 10 13:09:02 <Guest85909> if I do just plain: opkg --force-downgrade upgrade busybox
Jan 10 13:09:14 <Guest85909> the command finishes without errors
Jan 10 13:09:47 <Guest85909> but opkg info busybox still shows the newer version (1.15.3-r23.0.4)
Jan 10 13:20:07 <naught101_> Guest85909: try using the full path?
Jan 10 13:25:12 <Guest85909> naught101_: I don't get the error then anymore, but opkg info still reports the 1.15 version
Jan 10 13:25:44 <Guest85909> naught101_: maybe I should just remove and install again?
Jan 10 13:45:00 <naught101_> maybe upgrade is the wrong command/
Jan 10 14:01:14 <PaulFertser> I'm so fucking tired by stupid configuration of community ML
Jan 10 14:02:39 <lindi-> PaulFertser: the reply issue?
Jan 10 14:09:25 <PaulFertser> lindi-: including that, yes. The last time i replied (and i use gmane's nntp to read the mails) and the reply went through gmane-antispamaddress community-ZwoEplunGu2lQHEW8SrWTx2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org . Guess what, it's moderated due to "Message has implicit destination". Meh, everything sucks
Jan 10 14:09:46 <PaulFertser> And since shr-user was CC'd it's moderated too because i'm not subscribed.
Jan 10 14:10:41 <PaulFertser> I'm so fucking sure whitelisting all "SPF Pass" messages won't add much spam to the list. Nobody proved otherwise. And yet that stupid rule still holds. Come on, even LKML is not subscribers-only!
Jan 10 14:12:26 <PaulFertser> Life's enough shit in it already and yet i'm getting that additional amount by being part of the community i want to belong too. :-/
Jan 10 14:12:38 <lindi-> PaulFertser: can't you subscribe and disable delivery?
Jan 10 14:12:53 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i'm subscribed to the community
Jan 10 14:13:10 <PaulFertser> And yes, disabled delivery, just as propose
Jan 10 14:22:55 <tim_abell> http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/mundane-name lol. yes i'm failing to get on  with plan A, and reading back issues of eler instead
Jan 10 14:34:12 <DocScrutinizer51> PaulFertser: still you dunno if LKML maybe is moderated for alien sender address as well
Jan 10 14:34:29 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer51: i'm not sending from an alien address
Jan 10 15:21:59 <tim_abell> well that was random. searched for eric ide (python integrated development environment) and ended up here , http://www.facebook.com/people/Eric-Ide/1630837852
Jan 10 15:25:56 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: "Sorry, we're not cool enough to support your browser. "
Jan 10 15:26:00 <PaulFertser> bastards
Jan 10 15:26:17 <tim_abell> lol, what was that on?
Jan 10 15:26:23 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: emacs-w3m
Jan 10 15:26:33 <tim_abell> muppets
Jan 10 15:26:38 <tim_abell> i hate browser detection
Jan 10 15:26:59 <tim_abell> what happened to sticking to standards and graceful degradation?
Jan 10 15:27:20 <tim_abell> must be a vi house
Jan 10 15:27:23 <PaulFertser> What happened to the internet in general
Jan 10 15:27:36 <tim_abell> at least we still have irc, yay
Jan 10 15:28:24 <tim_abell> this by the way is an excellent way of getting non techies onto an irc channel: http://www.pjirc.com/main.php
Jan 10 15:29:51 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: hm, isn't apt-get install irssi or xchat easier?
Jan 10 15:30:05 <tim_abell> my non-techies run windows
Jan 10 15:30:12 <tim_abell> and don't even cope with that
Jan 10 15:30:22 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: for that java app to work they should have a compatible JRE installed etc. And also the license of the app is unclear.
Jan 10 15:30:46 <tim_abell> sure, but it so happens my non-techies need java anyway
Jan 10 15:30:55 <tim_abell> and i'm not worried about freedom with this one
Jan 10 15:30:59 <tim_abell> just getting them talking
Jan 10 15:33:14 <tim_abell> horses for courses ;)
Jan 10 15:33:47 * tim_abell is currently trying to get from 0 to glade app in under 10 mins
Jan 10 15:34:12 <tim_abell> opening second window currently challenging me
Jan 10 15:34:18 <tim_abell> i love this stuff
Jan 10 17:04:30 <groszek> anyone knows if android market is working on freerunner's android on current version?
Jan 10 17:04:58 <groszek> at least for those free apps
Jan 10 18:16:05 <peter_b> hi
Jan 10 18:16:21 <peter_b> is anyone using googe maps data with tangogps?
Jan 10 18:42:24 <esa-petri> do someboby know howto reset mailing list pasword since I cannot acces admistration part of it
Jan 10 19:10:00 <sybren> hey folks. I have some trouble with SHR unstable after an update. fsousaged won't run properly, and reinstalling doesn't work either: http://shr.pastebin.com/d53d2dd0
Jan 10 19:10:17 <sybren> this is just after a "opkg update" that successfully downloaded the package list
Jan 10 19:12:14 <sybren> running fsousaged gives me http://shr.pastebin.com/d3722bd7e
Jan 10 19:37:08 <sanvy> hi all
Jan 10 19:39:48 <sybren> hi sanvy 
Jan 10 19:40:00 <sanvy> hi sybren 
Jan 10 19:45:45 <sanvy> i go
Jan 10 19:45:46 <sanvy> bye
Jan 10 20:51:02 <Wonka> updating openembedded
Jan 10 20:51:02 <Wonka> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
Jan 10 20:51:04 <Wonka> *grr*
Jan 10 20:51:11 <Wonka> all evening long
Jan 10 20:51:38 <Wonka> every time I do "make update" in the SHR directory, one of them command fails
Jan 10 21:58:05 <sybren> Wonka: I've never been able to update :(
Jan 10 22:17:37 <Kero> gypsy dbus documentation seems lacking...
Jan 10 22:21:33 <naught101_> is there any way to get the shr-settings power options to stay permanently/
Jan 10 22:21:34 <naught101_> ?
Jan 10 22:27:01 <naught101_> and is there supposed to be a fast-charging mode (1000mA)?
Jan 10 22:27:17 <Undrwater> naught101_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual#Settings:_Power
Jan 10 22:27:32 <Undrwater> scroll down a bit and look at the Timeouts section
Jan 10 22:27:50 <Undrwater> the UI thing does't work yet i think
Jan 10 22:28:13 <naught101_> thanks Undrwater
Jan 10 22:28:16 <PaulFertser> naught101_: with OM wallcharger 1000mA mode is turned on automatically
Jan 10 22:35:33 <H_u_m> some note to mencoder/mplayer, video with 640x240 works, imho acceptable quality http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Hum#video_playing.2Fencoding
Jan 10 22:37:01 <max_posedon> H_u_m, with which exactly -vo ?
Jan 10 22:37:53 <H_u_m> vo=xover:glamo,x11 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Hum#mplayer.conf
Jan 10 22:39:26 <H_u_m> vo=glamo seems to be faster, but sometimes i can see the background application/window manager
Jan 10 22:39:58 <max_posedon> glamo doesn't work, or work temporary
Jan 10 22:40:11 <max_posedon> all others usually unusable
Jan 10 22:40:19 <max_posedon> (very slow)
Jan 10 22:41:12 * JaMa just merged latest mplayer code to glamo repository..
Jan 10 22:41:23 <JaMa> someone wants to try .opk for me?
Jan 10 22:41:35 <H_u_m> ? I am new to SHR and FR, i use SHR and it worked for several hours, then reboot needed
Jan 10 22:41:56 <JaMa> I'm going to bed in few mins.. so I won't test it today or tomorrow :/
Jan 10 22:42:17 <H_u_m> JaMa: is it SHR unstable?
Jan 10 22:42:38 <JaMa> H_u_m: no.. I have to test it before pushing and building on shr buildhost
Jan 10 22:42:50 <JaMa> H_u_m: but if you ask if it will be for SHR-U then yes
Jan 10 22:43:01 <H_u_m> ah, sry i am to noob for this
Jan 10 22:43:58 <H_u_m> maybe next days i use a 2. SD Card
Jan 10 22:44:03 <JaMa> H_u_m: I can give you 2 links for mplayer and ffmpeg .opk if you can test if video works better for you..
Jan 10 22:44:12 <H_u_m> ok
Jan 10 22:45:02 <JaMa> H_u_m: http://jama.homelinux.org/org.openembedded.shr/armv4t/ffmpeg_0.5.0+r0+svnr21107-r0.4_armv4t.ipk
Jan 10 22:45:16 <JaMa> H_u_m: http://jama.homelinux.org/org.openembedded.shr/armv4t/mplayer_0.0+1.0rc2+gitr3+18ae04330acaa9212b422e71eee239eacd475805-r15.4_armv4t.ipk
Jan 10 22:47:13 <Gabrys> JaMa: what's that? :> some hardware-related tweaks for video decoding or what?
Jan 10 22:48:55 <JaMa> Gabrys: yes.. Balrog's patches for using hw glamo for decoding video
Jan 10 22:49:03 <H_u_m> Package mplayer (0.0+1.0rc2+gitr30315+5519d0dfd3f9504f24aa9fe154f831bb718cbfc3-r15.4) installed in root is up to date.
Jan 10 22:49:37 <Gabrys> JaMa: is this only for some certain video codecs? (I mean do you need to first encode videos to benefit from this packages?)
Jan 10 22:49:40 <H_u_m> am i already using the newest version? Do I have to enforce
Jan 10 22:50:01 <JaMa> H_u_m: that's because opkg thinks that its newer version.. but its not
Jan 10 22:51:49 <Undrwater> there's no way to force an install either, is there?
Jan 10 22:52:10 <H_u_m> --force-reinstall
Jan 10 22:52:19 <Undrwater> maybe just unpack the binary...put it someplace new...that way you can test side by side
Jan 10 22:52:41 <JaMa> -force-downgrade doesn't work?
Jan 10 22:52:54 <Undrwater> had a similar problem with navit
Jan 10 22:53:07 <Undrwater> something to do with versioning
Jan 10 22:53:30 <JaMa> Undrwater: but navit is not from git.. there is versioning quite simple..
Jan 10 22:53:48 <JaMa> Undrwater: if you're not using navit from navit-feeds
Jan 10 22:54:10 <H_u_m> JaMa: Software: MEncoder SVN-r29237-4.4.1 playing Mpeg4 still broken
Jan 10 22:54:30 <JaMa> H_u_m: define broken please :)
Jan 10 22:54:30 <Undrwater> JaMa: right....but navit in feeds was not up-to-date at the time...so i tried install from git...which threw same error H_u_m is getting
Jan 10 22:55:12 <JaMa> Undrwater: I'm updating navit quite offen.. so its better to ping me if you see something we have to use in svn changelog..
Jan 10 22:55:39 <Undrwater> JaMa: will do that in future
Jan 10 22:55:43 <Undrwater> tnx
Jan 10 22:55:55 <JaMa> Undrwater: because I usually check changelog and if there is lots of changes ie to win32 plugins etc.. I ignore that..
Jan 10 22:56:28 <H_u_m> first scene: showing heaven, scrolling down, the new lines at bottom don't get drawn the right way, some get repeated
Jan 10 22:57:19 <JaMa> H_u_m: if its at least partially working as older version I'll update it in SHR-U and fix possible bugs later..
Jan 10 22:57:40 <H_u_m> playing .avi (flv1) as old version
Jan 10 22:58:07 <H_u_m> the old version I mentioned above?
Jan 10 22:58:54 <JaMa> H_u_m: yes
Jan 10 22:58:57 <JaMa> H_u_m: thanks
Jan 10 23:00:56 <H_u_m> k, np, btw mpeg4 640x480 is broken, mpeg4 640x240 works
Jan 10 23:03:24 <JaMa> huh interesting.. 640x240 works without any problem with -vo glamo?
Jan 10 23:03:41 <JaMa> but with x480 it creates artifacts?
Jan 10 23:03:52 <JaMa> same codec etc?
Jan 10 23:05:01 <H_u_m> same codec using different resolutions and nearly same options
Jan 10 23:06:50 <JaMa> H_u_m: can you post mplayer output for both somewhere with those 2 vids (if they're small and shareable)?
Jan 10 23:07:21 <JaMa> H_u_m: could be good testcase for someone to fix it.. 
Jan 10 23:07:40 <H_u_m> is .torrent?
Jan 10 23:07:46 <H_u_m> is .torrent ok?
Jan 10 23:08:21 <JaMa> can you strip just first minute or so from it?
Jan 10 23:08:49 <H_u_m> k, have to cook coffee and read man page first
Jan 10 23:09:37 <JaMa> H_u_m: I don't know when or if ever I'll have time to check it properly.. but if you send it to list.. maybe someone will look into it sooner.. so make it as simple as possible to test it
Jan 10 23:11:20 <H_u_m> which ml?
Jan 10 23:12:40 <JaMa> shr-devel could be good one
Jan 10 23:13:22 <H_u_m> k
Jan 10 23:29:49 <naught101_> PaulFertser: I have it plugged into the wall charger, but it only seems to be getting 500mA (-397mA reported)
Jan 10 23:34:06 <PaulFertser> naught101_: well, it means the battery can't take any more now
Jan 10 23:38:09 <H_u_m> JaMa: http://www.stud.fh-dortmund.de/~jkorte/bbb-mpeg4-250k-640x480-vmax2000k-buf1835-2pass-30seconds-artefacts.avi
Jan 10 23:39:42 <naught101_> PaulFertser: ok, I see it's just gone up to -800...
Jan 10 23:44:56 <naught101_> now... where can I change the microphone volume? it seems to be up full when on a call, but people can't hear me..
Jan 10 23:50:02 <naught101_> actaully, just figured that it was too loud, and echoing.
Jan 10 23:51:43 <naught101_> is there a way to stop the microphone from playing back through the speaker?
Jan 10 23:52:31 <naught101_> and is there a way to automatically unlock on an incoming call?
Jan 11 01:39:25 <yellowww> anyone know where I can get the qt extended rootfs and uImage? The link from the wiki is down...
Jan 11 02:14:06 <KenYoung> The Openmoko GForge site is down again.
Jan 11 02:43:32 <slaxxer> hows the jan 19 unstable  on shr
Jan 11 02:43:43 <slaxxer> jan 10
Jan 11 02:47:16 <slaxxer> the  jan 9 kernel   have those speedups?
Jan 11 02:50:48 <max_posedon> slaxxer, I think noone kernel will have them next few days
Jan 11 02:51:08 <max_posedon> nobody know where this speedups comes from
Jan 11 02:51:33 <max_posedon> and kernel devs don't want be blinded and remove all debug info without analyzing
Jan 11 02:51:33 <slaxxer> i thought it was  disable_debug?
Jan 11 02:51:50 <slaxxer> ic
Jan 11 02:52:10 <slaxxer> theres a newre kernel listed
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