**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 13 02:59:57 2010
Jan 13 08:35:13 <donaldd> Hi all
Jan 13 08:35:37 <donaldd> Ive just been trying the latest shr-unstable image, wondering if this is the right place to ask questions
Jan 13 08:39:50 <gonzoism> it is donaldd.  there is also a mailing list if you don't find your answers here.  
Jan 13 08:40:26 <donaldd> Ah cool
Jan 13 08:40:41 <gonzoism> what question you got ?
Jan 13 08:40:44 <donaldd> I'm having trouble sshing in with the jan build
Jan 13 08:41:06 <donaldd> basically it doesnt seem to accept a blank password over usb
Jan 13 08:42:02 <gonzoism> i don't think it does.  after the first run i think there is a setup wizard that prompts you for a password.  anyways, they switched from dropbear to opensshd
Jan 13 08:42:30 <gonzoism> you can open a terminal on the phone and run the passwd command and then enter a new password.
Jan 13 08:42:43 <donaldd> Ah, 
Jan 13 08:42:45 <donaldd> doub
Jan 13 08:43:13 <gonzoism> i had to think about that one a while the first time it came up with me. :)
Jan 13 08:43:59 <gonzoism> how long have you had your phone ?  
Jan 13 08:45:15 <donaldd> Fantastic, now I'm in i can start causing myself real trouble with my phone
Jan 13 08:45:16 <gonzoism> just curious. :)
Jan 13 08:45:26 <donaldd> got it yesterday
Jan 13 08:45:32 <gonzoism> do you have wifi ?
Jan 13 08:45:40 <gonzoism> wifi is awesome with the phone
Jan 13 08:45:41 <gonzoism> :)
Jan 13 08:46:01 <donaldd> Yep, that's the other problem I've been having since moving to shr
Jan 13 08:46:08 <donaldd> doesnt seem to power up the wifi
Jan 13 08:46:16 <gonzoism> oh, odd.  
Jan 13 08:46:38 <gonzoism> you go to settings and take it from automatic to manual, and then to on below it ?
Jan 13 08:48:07 <donaldd> Under WIFI settings it says Wifi not available
Jan 13 08:48:22 <donaldd> It seemed to work with Om thoug...
Jan 13 08:48:35 <gonzoism> what kernel are you using ?
Jan 13 08:48:43 <gonzoism> also which phone model ?
Jan 13 08:48:47 <donaldd> root@om-gta02 ~ $ uname -a
Jan 13 08:48:47 <donaldd> Linux om-gta02 2.6.29-rc3 #1 PREEMPT Sat Jan 9 21:09:08 CET 2010 armv4tl unknown
Jan 13 08:49:13 <donaldd> The phone is the A7
Jan 13 08:49:37 <gonzoism> you might want to ask in #openmoko-cdevel
Jan 13 08:50:16 <gonzoism> sometimes i have to wait a while for wifi to initialize.
Jan 13 08:50:37 <gonzoism> i think it was fsod i was waiting on to get everything powered up
Jan 13 08:50:57 <gonzoism> i can't remember for sure though.  it has been a while since that has happened to me.
Jan 13 08:51:32 <gonzoism> shr developers hang out in #openmoko-cdevel   (cdevel is community development or something)
Jan 13 08:52:07 <gonzoism> i am going to bed in about 10 minutes  
Jan 13 08:52:40 <donaldd> Is Thanks for your help, now I can ssh in I can figure out what's going on!
Jan 13 08:53:03 <gonzoism> cool.  happy to help. :)  happy you got a cool phone too. :)
Jan 13 08:53:06 <gonzoism> later
Jan 13 08:53:09 <donaldd> cu
Jan 13 08:53:10 <lindi-> donaldd: zgrep CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL /proc/config.gz?
Jan 13 08:53:58 <donaldd> root@om-gta02 ~ $ zcat /proc/config.gz | grep CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL
Jan 13 08:53:59 <donaldd> CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL=y
Jan 13 08:55:09 <lindi-> donaldd: ok then it's probably not the bug I hit just today:  https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2327
Jan 13 09:34:00 <badcloud> hey all
Jan 13 09:35:12 <badcloud> could someone confirm stereo sound w/wired headset playing these files? --->http://www.eminent-tech.com/music/500hzleft.wav;http://www.eminent-tech.com/music/500hzright.wav
Jan 13 09:37:11 <badcloud> I'm not getting left audio w/this http://www.gamebaz.com/?a=i&i=4488
Jan 13 09:38:15 <Wonka> A5/3 broken? http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/second-gsm-cipher-falls-011110
Jan 13 09:38:40 <PaulFertser> badcloud: are you sure to be using proper pinout for the headset?
Jan 13 09:39:03 <badcloud> can you be more specific?
Jan 13 09:39:16 <badcloud> or rather, in layman terms
Jan 13 09:40:14 <PaulFertser> badcloud: what headset are you using?
Jan 13 09:40:38 <badcloud> http://www.gamebaz.com/?a=i&i=4488 + standard stereo headbuds
Jan 13 09:42:04 <PaulFertser> badcloud: got a multimeter?
Jan 13 09:42:24 <badcloud> y
Jan 13 09:43:48 <badcloud> (es)
Jan 13 09:44:05 <DocScrutinizer51> bzzzzzzzz multimeter
Jan 13 09:44:10 <badcloud> how do I impliment?
Jan 13 09:44:12 <DocScrutinizer51> :-)
Jan 13 09:44:39 <badcloud> what's up, Doc?
Jan 13 09:44:43 <badcloud> ;)
Jan 13 09:45:40 <PaulFertser> badcloud: plug in your headset, set MM to measure resistance, attach the "-" to the "sleeve" of the jack, use "+" to check all the rings and the tip. Whenever you touch a contact connected to the buds you'll hear a click in one of them. Find out which is which.
Jan 13 09:46:43 <badcloud> thanks. I'll have to try it later and get back to you
Jan 13 09:46:47 <badcloud> c u l8r
Jan 13 09:47:31 <DocScrutinizer51> tztztz PaulFertser. Way too pragmatic
Jan 13 09:48:08 <DocScrutinizer51> ~botsnack
Jan 13 09:48:08 <infobot> aw, gee, DocScrutinizer51
Jan 13 09:48:23 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer51: the easier would be to just tell him "you bought a wrong adapter" but this way he'll learn more ;)
Jan 13 09:48:45 <DocScrutinizer51> ack
Jan 13 09:52:03 <nullix> badcloud: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Headset
Jan 13 09:54:32 <nullix> i use a HS-47 nokia headset that i modified as described in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Analog_wired_Headset_Nokia and it is working.
Jan 13 09:55:51 <nullix> PaulFertser: in wiki it's written : "The headsets used by Motorola smartphones (A780,A1200, ...) and the V-360 have a compatible configuration. The HS-120 (Motorola) works without problems (mic untested). " then why would http://www.gamebaz.com/?a=i&i=4488 not working ?
Jan 13 09:56:42 <nullix> is the wiki wrong ?
Jan 13 10:02:28 <DocScrutinizer51> nullix: the wiki wrong? Heretic! :-) 
Jan 13 10:03:03 <DocScrutinizer51> nah honestly the wiki is mostly correct wrt headset
Jan 13 10:03:26 <DocScrutinizer51> I'd hope :-P
Jan 13 10:03:48 <DocScrutinizer51> if you find anything fishy then blame me
Jan 13 10:04:02 <PaulFertser> nullix: who knows. 
Jan 13 10:04:21 <PaulFertser> nullix: that's why badcloud should check that to know for sure.
Jan 13 10:08:57 <DocScrutinizer51> actually headset is one of the most simple topics to be found on Neo
Jan 13 10:09:46 <PaulFertser> And yet so many people get it wrong.
Jan 13 10:10:15 <DocScrutinizer51> and really everybody should be able to figure out... err paul was faster ;-D
Jan 13 10:12:50 <DocScrutinizer51> still I wonder WTH they decided to go for motorola headset crap. Rather than the much more sane Nokia-AV
Jan 13 10:13:30 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer51: probably to make it compatible with mono-headsets.
Jan 13 10:14:16 <DocScrutinizer51> no idea. Allen didn't know an answer for me either
Jan 13 10:16:04 <DocScrutinizer51> I guess it's been mere random once again. Rush into next crap shop, ask for cheap headset, check it out and copy
Jan 13 10:23:52 <Defiant> 3.5 would have my preference
Jan 13 10:26:36 <Pepe__> hi
Jan 13 10:30:31 <Pepe__>  how can i get internet conection without wifi?
Jan 13 10:30:54 <gena2x> Pepe__: yes
Jan 13 10:31:04 <gena2x> Pepe__: via usb for example\
Jan 13 10:31:49 <nullix> Pepe_: yes by conencting usb on a computer that act as a router, it requires then some configuration of your connected computer.
Jan 13 10:32:11 <Pepe__> can you help me configuring it?
Jan 13 10:32:22 <nullix> what's your computer ?
Jan 13 10:32:40 <Pepe__> Ubuntu
Jan 13 10:32:48 <Pepe__> a laptop
Jan 13 10:32:58 <Pepe__> i have the neo connected via USB
Jan 13 10:33:42 <nullix> and you Freerunner distro ?
Jan 13 10:34:15 <nullix> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking
Jan 13 10:34:37 <Pepe__> shr
Jan 13 10:34:57 <Pepe__> i'm connected via SSH in the neo
Jan 13 10:34:58 <nullix> connect you usb cable, do a ifconfig -a and see if a new interface appears ( if it's usb0 or eth1, eth2 ... )
Jan 13 10:35:14 <Pepe__> it's eth2
Jan 13 10:35:17 <nullix> ah so you just need to enable routing
Jan 13 10:35:21 <Pepe__> yes
Jan 13 10:35:26 <DocScrutinizer51> Pepe__: I hope you have SHR-testing as mentioned in channel topic here
Jan 13 10:35:38 <Pepe__> unstable...
Jan 13 10:35:45 <nullix> something like :
Jan 13 10:35:54 <nullix> sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 
Jan 13 10:35:57 <DocScrutinizer51> I honestly recommend testing
Jan 13 10:36:08 <nullix> iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 
Jan 13 10:36:14 <DocScrutinizer51> unstable is basically for developers
Jan 13 10:36:36 <Pepe__> oks
Jan 13 10:37:18 <DocScrutinizer51> Pepe__: anyway for your particular problem it's irrelevant right now (I hope)
Jan 13 10:37:40 <nullix> idea is that your ubuntu acts as a dynamic nat ( just like a classical internet box )
Jan 13 10:37:49 <Pepe__> nullix, where have i to write the instructions? on ubuntu or on neo?
Jan 13 10:38:09 <DocScrutinizer51> ubuntu
Jan 13 10:38:12 <ThibG> on ubuntu
Jan 13 10:38:12 <Pepe__> ok
Jan 13 10:38:30 <nullix> on ubuntu, normaly in shr neo is already confiugred to use your ubuntu 192.168.0.200 as default router
Jan 13 10:39:00 <nullix> anyway all is in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking ( and perhaps even more ... :-) ) 
Jan 13 10:40:10 <Pepe__> thanks nullix :)
Jan 13 10:40:28 <nullix> one remark : disable power management when your are connected in usb to not loose connection if freerunner goes in standby mode
Jan 13 10:41:08 * DocScrutinizer51 wonders if eventually some polite savvy ubuntu user might publish a universal shellscript to do networking
Jan 13 10:42:11 <DocScrutinizer51> nullix: that should work automagically via frameworkd rule
Jan 13 10:43:03 <Defiant> DocScrutinizer51: doesn't the configuration via /e/n/i always work?
Jan 13 10:43:19 <DocScrutinizer51> if it doesn,t something is borked in SHR
Jan 13 10:43:31 <nullix> yes, there is nothing to configure on shr side, whether it is done staticaly or in frameworkd i didn't know
Jan 13 10:43:54 <lindi-> huh? of course there is a lot to configure on the freerunner side?
Jan 13 10:44:05 <DocScrutinizer51> aah you meant powermanagement on ubuntu laptop?
Jan 13 10:44:24 <accumulator> shellscript to do networking?
Jan 13 10:44:42 <DocScrutinizer51> yes you should avoid to send laptop to suspend state
Jan 13 10:45:07 <accumulator> In Intrepid it worked automagically when plugging the FR, on Jaunty too after some fiddling
Jan 13 10:45:09 <nullix> DocScrutinizer51: nope, i just misunderstood your comment ( through was for routing ) : so it is useless to change power management, good to know
Jan 13 11:03:18 <Pepe__> i'm updating and upgrading now! :D
Jan 13 11:03:22 <Pepe__> thanks!!!
Jan 13 11:03:46 <Pepe__> bye!
Jan 13 11:14:20 <DocScrutinizer51> heh another poor soul saved :-D
Jan 13 11:56:33 <Daramarak> hmm, I just did a update/upgrade on SHR-U, and now I got 10 buttons in the bottom of the main screen, and the pin dialog doesn't appear. Anyone else got this?
Jan 13 12:01:42 <dns53> Daramarak yes,  i have no idea why, but at least the phone makes calls
Jan 13 12:09:57 <Daramarak> dns53: My phone wont make calls, I cannot enter the pin... :(
Jan 13 12:10:46 <Daramarak> It makes me wonder, why did I upgrade when I was so happy with the phone just now :o
Jan 13 12:11:11 <dns53> shr unstable is unstable sometimes
Jan 13 12:12:03 <Daramarak> sure is :D
Jan 13 12:12:20 <Daramarak> I don't mind, its the price of bleeding edge.
Jan 13 12:12:40 <Daramarak> Anyone know how I can make the pin dialog pop up manually?
Jan 13 12:21:12 <dns53> isn't that in the settings window?
Jan 13 12:23:19 <DocScrutinizer51> wow. google china stops censoring its search results
Jan 13 12:24:03 * DocScrutinizer51 wonders how many of the employees left the country before they did this 
Jan 13 12:24:55 <Daramarak> dns53: disable/enable pin, and change pin. But I cannot see any enter pin...
Jan 13 12:25:21 <nullix> i would bet that some chinese responsible at google will be put in court trial for that.
Jan 13 12:25:56 <DocScrutinizer51> you bet. shot in the neck probably
Jan 13 12:26:46 <nullix> i don't think it will go so far. but some jail might be.
Jan 13 12:27:17 <DocScrutinizer51> would be interesting how long it takes for great chinese firewall to take down google china
Jan 13 12:28:29 <nullix> i guees that google prepare to withdraw totaly from china.
Jan 13 12:29:00 <DocScrutinizer51> but probably the simply take down google building's main power and cut the fibre optics cable :-P
Jan 13 12:29:50 <DocScrutinizer51> then arrest everybody incidentally inside the headquarters
Jan 13 12:31:30 <DocScrutinizer51> nullix: actually they do
Jan 13 12:31:47 <DocScrutinizer51> or did
Jan 13 12:33:15 <DocScrutinizer51> because chinese gvmt managed to hack google mail accounts of dissidents and intelectuals nd other 'public enemies'
Jan 13 12:34:45 <Wonka> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html
Jan 13 12:35:05 <Wonka> sounds like they didn't decide to leave yet
Jan 13 12:35:28 <Wonka> but are mentally prepared to do
Jan 13 12:38:30 <Wonka> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1508260&cid=30746302 O.o
Jan 13 12:39:49 <dns53> unfiltered search results would be a decent threat, especially if you can get the google cache of every page on the internet
Jan 13 12:40:36 <Wonka> china, even you don't simply attack google...
Jan 13 12:42:07 <PaulFertser> Why google doesn't simply start to provide their search services over https? Is it really that expensive?
Jan 13 12:42:28 <SpeedEvil> Because that would get them flat-out banned instantly in china
Jan 13 12:43:07 <PaulFertser> If google did that one could easily use Tor to bypass any ip-range restrictions.
Jan 13 12:43:24 <lindi-> PaulFertser: except that you can't really use google over tor?
Jan 13 12:43:26 <PaulFertser> So google will be still accessible no matter what those morons do.
Jan 13 12:43:34 <PaulFertser> lindi-: why can't you do that?
Jan 13 12:43:40 <lindi-> PaulFertser: try :)
Jan 13 12:43:52 <lindi-> PaulFertser: "your computer may be infected with malware..."
Jan 13 12:43:55 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i might when i get home but why?
Jan 13 12:44:15 <lindi-> PaulFertser: some people use it to do malicious stuff
Jan 13 12:44:24 <SpeedEvil> PaulFertser: err - no.
Jan 13 12:44:25 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i mean why not to enable search over https and then no government-imposed restrictions will be imposed.
Jan 13 12:44:36 <PaulFertser> Oh meh :|
Jan 13 12:44:46 <SpeedEvil> PaulFertser: you proxy all https at the firewall. Deep-packet inspect everything, and bin all traffic you can't positively identify.
Jan 13 12:45:25 <SpeedEvil> PaulFertser: the big issue is that the firewall is not to stop technically adept people. it's to stop the uneducated masses. 
Jan 13 12:45:28 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: you simply can't do that, nobody will be able to verify their destination, so all internet-banking, web-mail etc etc will stop working.
Jan 13 12:45:35 <SpeedEvil> PaulFertser: so?
Jan 13 12:45:46 <dns53> what good is https if you own a ca and access to the dns servers?
Jan 13 12:45:55 <SpeedEvil> PaulFertser: you explain they need to download new root certificates on the landing page
Jan 13 12:46:00 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: if you mitm all https traffic even local sites will stop working.
Jan 13 12:47:24 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: and anyway currently prc government doesn't and seemingly not planning to really ban "arbitrary" traffic and/or https. So one can simply obtain a VPS in Europe or something and ssh in there.
Jan 13 12:48:20 <SpeedEvil> PaulFertser: How? You connect to the firewall, and it pretends to be https://www.ebay.com/ - it then negotiates with ebay as if it was a browser. To the browser it looks like you're hitting ebay.com - and your downloaded certificate agrees.
Jan 13 12:48:39 <Daramarak> Anyone one who can help me activating the pin dialog from my now unstable SHR-U freerunnner?
Jan 13 12:48:48 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: you're not adding fake root CA to you browser, just that.
Jan 13 12:49:17 <SpeedEvil> PaulFertser: all https stops working unless you add root cert. Most users will.
Jan 13 12:49:45 <dns53> or the fact that china probably has a root ca
Jan 13 12:50:02 <PaulFertser> Daramarak: are you sure you do not have fsogsmd installed? Have you tried upgrading again? Have you tried (surprise, surprise) reading frameword log?
Jan 13 12:51:27 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: technically it's possible. I doubt china's going implement something like that. Also even if they do, you just configure your VPS to add additional SSL layer over it. Even if that is monitored by deep PI and stuff, well, the guys are screwed. They're anyway... :(
Jan 13 12:52:06 <DocScrutinizer51> anyway news just told google.cn delivered even previously censored pages like tian nang men (?) massaker docu
Jan 13 12:52:32 <DocScrutinizer51> today
Jan 13 12:52:42 <Daramarak> I try a new update upgrade
Jan 13 12:52:46 <DocScrutinizer51> not mentioned for how long they did
Jan 13 12:53:47 <SpeedEvil> PaulFertser: if the firewall is delivered to throw away all but stuff that passes the DPI filters - VPN becomes harder.
Jan 13 12:53:50 <DocScrutinizer51> what a fackng scary xmas for chinese internet users :-D
Jan 13 12:54:05 <SpeedEvil> s/del/conf/
Jan 13 12:54:05 <infobot> SpeedEvil meant: PaulFertser: if the firewall is confivered to throw away all but stuff that passes the DPI filters - VPN becomes harder.
Jan 13 12:55:10 <DocScrutinizer51> google for whatever you like, download, and ruuuuuun
Jan 13 12:56:31 <DocScrutinizer51> (assuming you were sensible enough to do that in a public internet cafe or sth)
Jan 13 12:58:51 <DocScrutinizer51> ~hail PGP for that behalf
Jan 13 12:58:52 * infobot bows down to PGP for that behalf and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
Jan 13 13:10:28 <Daramarak> updated for the 3. time, and rebooted for the 6. time, and now it seems to work. I don't get it? Is it opkg that is unreliable? Or is it me?
Jan 13 13:18:07 <Daramarak> lindi-: are your gsm watchdog integrated into SHR yet?
Jan 13 13:20:31 <lindi-> Daramarak: afaik not
Jan 13 13:20:49 <lindi-> Daramarak: fso has had its own watchdog project but i on
Jan 13 13:20:55 <lindi-> Daramarak: fso has had its own watchdog project but i don't know how far they have got
Jan 13 13:22:35 <Daramarak> lindi-: How about that ledctrl module, I am missing that one to make good use of your watchdog.
Jan 13 13:23:20 <lindi-> Daramarak: libomhacks0 has now some led code
Jan 13 13:24:05 <lindi-> Daramarak: iki.fi/lindi/git/ledctrl is of course available
Jan 13 13:24:17 <lindi-> (was it git? or darcs?)
Jan 13 13:24:50 <Daramarak> git
Jan 13 13:27:02 <lindi-> Daramarak: if you use FSO you might want to use FSO api to blink the led
Jan 13 13:27:53 <lindi-> Daramarak: in a watchdog it's bit questionable though since if FSO does not respond you can't light the led to indicate this..
Jan 13 13:28:21 <Daramarak> lindi-: Yes, thats true
Jan 13 13:36:20 <Daramarak> lindi-: I don't seem to be able to clone your project using git clone git://iki.fi/lindi/git/ledctrl I am a compile noob when it comes to git, so I might be doing it wrong.
Jan 13 13:40:45 <lindi-> Daramarak: http://
Jan 13 15:28:04 <Serdar1> hmm
Jan 13 15:36:02 <pabs3> anyone else having problems with shr-unstable? shr-settings can't seem to change any settings and also ffalarms isn't waking the FR up from suspend
Jan 13 17:07:53 <badcloud> PaulFertser: thanks for the tip
Jan 13 17:08:12 <badcloud> mplayer seems a bit inconsistant when using the files specified earlier
Jan 13 17:08:24 <badcloud> http://www.eminent-tech.com/music/500hzleft.wav;http://www.eminent-tech.com/music/500hzright.wav
Jan 13 17:09:09 <badcloud> using the MM, I heard resistance for r and l
Jan 13 17:09:13 <badcloud> but not ground
Jan 13 17:10:05 <Guest19352> what is the best browser that works on shr-u?
Jan 13 17:10:19 <badcloud> Guest19352: depends on your needs
Jan 13 17:10:24 <badcloud> links for speed
Jan 13 17:10:37 <badcloud> minimo for capability
Jan 13 17:10:55 <badcloud> netsurf is fast too, but not as much as links
Jan 13 17:11:46 <Guest19352> okaj, then i will try links
Jan 13 17:12:00 <Guest19352> *okay
Jan 13 17:12:16 <Guest19352> thx
Jan 13 17:13:03 <badcloud> np
Jan 13 17:26:13 <PaulFertser> badcloud: (resistance)
Jan 13 17:26:19 <PaulFertser> badcloud: let me exlain a bit more then
Jan 13 17:26:48 <PaulFertser> badcloud: an earbud is basically a magnetic coil with a membrane that it can push or pull. 
Jan 13 17:27:45 <PaulFertser> badcloud: when DC flows through coil, it pushes or pulls the membrane. When nothing is going through it, the membrain stays in the middle.
Jan 13 17:28:13 <PaulFertser> badcloud: when you ask MM to measure resistance, it does so by supplying DC through its terminals
Jan 13 17:28:50 <PaulFertser> badcloud: so whenever you attach terminals to the coil, you hear a click of membrane moving to the edge.
Jan 13 17:29:40 <PaulFertser> badcloud: you have two coils: left and right. One of the wire is common for them: it's called ground and is wired to the receptable "sleeve" (the farthest part from the "tip").
Jan 13 17:30:24 <PaulFertser> badcloud: with the scheme i proposed you should be able to identify where the other coil wires are attached.
Jan 13 17:30:33 <PaulFertser> badcloud: is it clearer now?
Jan 13 17:32:16 <nullix> PaulFertser: thanks anyway for that quick electronic training course
Jan 13 17:33:41 <brian_> haaa i just repaired my plasma tv that went out in 14 months:)
Jan 13 17:33:59 <brian_> ysus-zsus boards
Jan 13 17:34:25 <badcloud> PaulFertser: yes, many many thanks for the patience and information
Jan 13 17:36:24 <nullix> brian_: i might be the last one to have still a cathod ray tube on my tvset at home...
Jan 13 17:36:37 <brian_> :)
Jan 13 17:37:04 <nullix> let's say it has somehow 13 years
Jan 13 17:37:20 <brian_> i bought a viore from walmart an was playing counterstrike on iy
Jan 13 17:38:18 <nullix> before it was in years, now it is in month, soon it will be days ...
Jan 13 17:53:18 <PaulFertser> badcloud: now you can go to the wiki and compare the pinout you got with the one used on FR.
Jan 13 17:53:41 <DocScrutinizer51> duh. I missed all the fun
Jan 13 17:53:58 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer51: not really much of it
Jan 13 17:54:10 <DocScrutinizer51> k :)
Jan 13 18:08:07 <badcloud> PaulFertser: what I got is from the supported list, I think
Jan 13 18:08:46 <badcloud> though I still can't feel my way to getting resistance from gnd
Jan 13 18:15:44 <PaulFertser> badcloud: i hoped i explained it the way that was easy enough to understand :(
Jan 13 18:43:06 <badcloud> PaulFertser: thanks, you did
Jan 13 18:43:08 <badcloud> :)
Jan 13 20:10:57 <PaulFertser> badcloud: so what is the result of your tests? Is your adapter compatible or is there an error in the wiki?
Jan 13 20:14:59 <pespin> hey, I get this when trying to ssh -X mokomaze:
Jan 13 20:15:01 <pespin> Main: can't set video mode. Exiting.
Jan 13 20:15:07 <pespin> some time ago it worked :S
Jan 13 20:19:57 <pespin> in fact, I can't x forward any app :S
Jan 13 20:20:08 <pespin> my DISPLAY pc is set to ":0.0"
Jan 13 20:21:40 <PaulFertser> pespin: when you connect with ssh -X it should set DISPLAY on remote automatically to something like :10.0
Jan 13 20:22:01 <KenYoung> pespin, You're trying to have a desktop/laptop X server display for an X client on a Freerunner?
Jan 13 20:22:59 <pespin> KenYoung, show neo app display in my pc
Jan 13 20:23:21 <ndnihil> xhost + on the PC, export DISPLAY=addr.of.PC:0
Jan 13 20:23:28 <ndnihil> on the FR
Jan 13 20:23:53 <pespin> way this wan't needed before?
Jan 13 20:24:17 <KenYoung> pespin, OK, that's X server on pc, client on Freerunner.   Have you checked that X forwarding is enabled on /etc/ssh/ssh/ssh_config ?
Jan 13 20:24:26 <ndnihil> some SSH implementations automatically forward back to host of origin
Jan 13 20:24:32 <ndnihil> perhaps that changed
Jan 13 20:25:04 <mjr> they don't tend to do that per default these days, people realized it's a security problem
Jan 13 20:27:45 <pespin> KenYoung, that's client or server side ? (config file)
Jan 13 20:28:13 <KenYoung> pespin, Your Freerunner is *client* in this case, so you want the ssh_config file.
Jan 13 20:28:38 <KenYoung> pespin, The device that actually displays is server in X11 terminology.
Jan 13 20:28:47 <pespin> ok :)
Jan 13 20:29:23 <KenYoung> pespin, There's a line "ForwardX11 yes" that should not be commented out.
Jan 13 20:29:35 <pespin> Host *
Jan 13 20:29:35 <pespin>   ForwardAgent yes
Jan 13 20:29:35 <pespin>   ForwardX11 yes
Jan 13 20:30:03 <pespin> did ndnihil hints too
Jan 13 20:30:11 <pespin> and still doesn't work
Jan 13 20:30:21 <KenYoung> pespin, Uncommenting that has been the only thing I've needed to do to get X11 forwarding to work on my Freerunner.
Jan 13 20:30:36 <pespin> it was already uncommented for me
Jan 13 20:30:41 <mjr> hmh, so are you trying to run an app on the neo and display elsewhere? IIRC dropbear server last I tried didn't do that.
Jan 13 20:30:47 <mjr> but *shrug*
Jan 13 20:30:48 <KenYoung> pespin, Can you ssh into some other machine, and get an X11 display on your pc?
Jan 13 20:31:19 <KenYoung> Yes, dropbear *definately* won't do it.   You must install real ssh.
Jan 13 20:31:22 <pespin> KenYoung, will try later, now dinner's time :D thanks, I'll tell you how it goes :)
Jan 13 20:31:51 <pespin> (I have openssh installed)
Jan 13 20:32:13 <KenYoung> But you probably won't even have the file /etc/ssh/ssh_config if real ssh isn't installed.
Jan 13 20:32:42 <KenYoung> pespin, openssh is fine.   That's what I use, and I do what you're describing all the time (with SHR-u).
Jan 13 20:33:31 <mjr> pespin, also on the neo?
Jan 13 20:46:34 * pespin is back
Jan 13 20:46:39 <pespin> mjr, yes
Jan 13 20:47:05 <pespin> KenYoung, works displaying an app from another pc, but not from neo
Jan 13 20:47:41 <pespin> when I ssh -X in the neo, DISPLAY is set to "localhost:0", whereas in the other computer, is set to "localhost:10.0"
Jan 13 20:50:31 <pespin> PaulFertser, ^ DISPLAY isn't set automatically yo 10.0 on neo :S
Jan 13 20:54:32 <PaulFertser> pespin: what if you set it manually?
Jan 13 20:54:55 <PaulFertser> pespin: looks like probably some security setting on the FR.
Jan 13 20:55:23 <pespin> PaulFertser, is there a parameter to set it in ssh -X ?
Jan 13 20:56:01 <PaulFertser> pespin: your ssh client tries to do that automatically. But probably somehow ssh server prohibits setting the environment, there's a config option about that iirc.
Jan 13 21:01:48 <pespin> hehe, must be this:
Jan 13 21:01:48 <pespin> #X11Forwarding no
Jan 13 21:03:00 <badcloud> PaulFertser: I haven't got that far to tell
Jan 13 21:03:13 <badcloud> PaulFertser: I'll be sure to update 
Jan 13 21:04:14 <PaulFertser> badcloud: well, what contact is for left headphone and what is for the right with your adapter?
Jan 13 21:05:37 <pespin> yep, as that, it works now :)
Jan 13 21:17:52 <pespin> ok, Now I get midori to work for example, but mokomaze continues just saying
Jan 13 21:18:05 <pespin> Main: can't set video mode. Exiting.
Jan 13 21:19:13 <pespin> now DISPLAY on neo is set to "localhost:10.0"
Jan 13 21:20:00 <ndnihil> mokomaze uses xrandr to change orientation
Jan 13 21:20:09 <ndnihil> and you cant do that to the remote display
Jan 13 21:20:38 <pespin> >.< some time ago I was able
Jan 13 21:20:52 <pespin> is this due to new xserver driver?
Jan 13 21:21:04 <ndnihil> dunno
Jan 13 21:21:46 <PaulFertser> pespin: probably just a new mokomaze version
Jan 13 21:22:13 <pespin> ok :)
Jan 13 21:24:00 <pespin> hmm a friend with a moko just told me he is able xD
Jan 13 21:24:30 <Weiss> is mokomaze written in a languagewh
Jan 13 21:24:38 <Weiss> .. where you can just snip the xrandr line out?
Jan 13 21:24:50 <PaulFertser> Weiss: i guess it's C, so no.
Jan 13 21:25:06 <Weiss> :(
Jan 13 21:25:51 <Weiss> or do something nasty like: ln -s /bin/true /somewhere/xrandr; PATH=/somewhere:$PATH mokomaze
Jan 13 21:27:19 <pespin> I don't see mokomaze is changing orientation
Jan 13 21:27:34 <pespin> and my friend is running it successfully right now
Jan 13 21:28:23 <PaulFertser> pespin: change fullscreen in openmoko config
Jan 13 21:28:26 <pespin> oh, my friend is using testing
Jan 13 21:28:45 <pespin> so that may explain it
Jan 13 21:29:13 <pespin> PaulFertser, what do you mean? in mokomaze?
Jan 13 21:29:17 <PaulFertser> pespin: yes, in mokomaze config
Jan 13 21:30:06 <PaulFertser> Why is it not a common thing among users to look up the source in question to understand the problems they have?
Jan 13 21:30:40 <pespin> PaulFertser, that worked
Jan 13 21:31:06 <pespin> because I don't know at all exactly what is failing :P
Jan 13 21:31:16 <PaulFertser> pespin: nope, you know exactly.
Jan 13 21:31:47 <PaulFertser> Main: can't set video mode. Exiting. <--- this line is verbatim in the sources, and two lines before that you see everything important.
Jan 13 21:32:01 <pespin> oh ok
Jan 13 21:32:05 <PaulFertser> http://github.com/Sektor/mokomaze/blob/master/src/mainwindow.c
Jan 13 21:32:13 <pespin> yes, I should have looked at it ;)
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