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Jan 17 03:00:25 <lars_> well, you still need to turn the modem on
Jan 17 03:01:09 <Serdar> I guess Blu3 has some serious proplems.
Jan 17 03:01:12 <Serdar> problems
Jan 17 03:04:33 <Termana> So say I install Debian with a mainline kernel onto the GTA02 (obviously disregarding that I would have to patch in touchscreen support before I compiled the kernel), I could use something like say, pppd to use GPRS?
Jan 17 03:05:48 <lars_> you could, but it would require you to write a script which turns the modem on
Jan 17 03:07:26 <Termana> Is there any scripts already written to do this?
Jan 17 03:09:26 <lars_> i don't think so
Jan 17 03:10:06 <lars_> it should be simple though
Jan 17 03:16:35 <lars_> Termana: but as a sidenote, most peripherials wont work with a pure linus tree.
Jan 17 03:19:26 <Termana> lars_: Is there plans to have most of it merged into Linus' tree?
Jan 17 03:19:55 <lars_> Termana: yes
Jan 17 03:20:24 <Blu3-2> no, freenode does
Jan 17 03:22:02 <lars_> Termana: but there is a lack of kernel devs :/
Jan 17 03:23:53 <Termana> lars_: I'm looking to buy something relatively cheap, that will most likely be merged OR is easy to apply the patches to later kernels. The other device I was thinking of getting was a SmartQ 5, which runs on the S3C6410, however - it doesn't seem like too many people are actively trying to get the SmartQ 5 mainlined AND I have been unable to find patches anywhere for it - my attempts to extract patches from older kernels for i
Jan 17 03:24:26 <Termana> And the OpenMoko, from what I can see, the patches are all listed seperately and should be easy to apply
Jan 17 03:25:45 <Termana> Plus, basic support is there in Linus' tree for the GTA02 with the plans to have most other stuff merged.
Jan 17 03:26:54 <lars_> Termana: your first message got cut of at " kernels for i"
Jan 17 03:27:45 <Termana> Rest of it: kernels for it have either A) Failed or B) The person maintaining the kernel has stuffed it up
Jan 17 03:28:06 <Blu3-2> for those of you targeted by the ctcp version flooding bots, /umode +E and +C
Jan 17 03:28:34 <Termana> As in, for one of them, someone had decided it was a good idea to modify the files for SMDK6410 instead of make seperate machine files.
Jan 17 03:29:04 <lars_> well, it's a start ;)
Jan 17 03:31:24 <lars_> for the freerunner I'm trying to keep at least the existing patch set up-to-date with linus' releases. but currently i don't have much time for additional work to put them in proper shape
Jan 17 03:31:36 <DocScrutinizer51> lars_: moin
Jan 17 03:32:09 <lars_> DocScrutinizer51: hi
Jan 17 03:33:14 <DocScrutinizer51> any ctcp flooding here?
Jan 17 03:33:21 <Blu3> for those of you targeted by the ctcp version flooding bots, /umode +E and +C
Jan 17 03:33:30 <DocScrutinizer51> any ctcp flooding here?
Jan 17 03:33:38 <max_posedon> Termana, don't forget, openmoko's(freerunner's) hardware is crap
Jan 17 03:33:42 <max_posedon> if compare to others
Jan 17 03:33:56 <DocScrutinizer51> aaah the troll
Jan 17 03:34:02 <DocScrutinizer51> :-)
Jan 17 03:34:10 <Termana> max_posedon - Maybe, but I would probably much rather crap than unmainlined peices of shit
Jan 17 03:34:19 <Termana> :)
Jan 17 03:34:36 <max_posedon> it depends on what you need
Jan 17 03:35:15 <max_posedon> SmartQ at least have nice CPU+"GPU", but I don't know GSM status
Jan 17 03:35:32 <Termana> lars_: Even if patch sets were not kept up to date, it should be as easy as seeing what the patches do and manually adding the files (or modifying files) myself in new mainline kernel releases - right?
Jan 17 03:35:40 <Termana> max_posedon: They don't have any GSM
Jan 17 03:36:19 <max_posedon> ah, in this case completly different devices)
Jan 17 03:36:25 <lars_> Termana: most times a `git rebase new-verion` works fine
Jan 17 03:37:39 <DocScrutinizer51> Blu3: so what is +EC? Have I asked for public spanking now?
Jan 17 03:38:21 <Blu3> i haven't had time to research.  that's what i got from #freenode.  due to the nature of the attack, i assume it means mask ctcp
Jan 17 03:38:32 <Termana> lars_: Not much a fan of using git - I was thinking of just downloading the kernel tarball and then manually doing whatever the patch does - that WOULD work right?
Jan 17 03:38:35 <Serdar> hi
Jan 17 03:39:03 <Serdar> If I want to print something, like "echo huhu" in a Makefile, how do I do this?
Jan 17 03:39:06 <lars_> Termana: yes. but using `patch` should also work well
Jan 17 03:39:09 <DocScrutinizer51> Blu3: to me it told 'consider using +R'
Jan 17 03:39:21 <Blu3> that's for the channel
Jan 17 03:39:29 <Blu3> umode is for your own nick
Jan 17 03:39:30 <DocScrutinizer51> yup
Jan 17 03:40:03 <Termana> lars_: So just patching them in normally to newer kernels should work most of the time? (but in any instance in which it doesn't it would have to be done manually?)
Jan 17 03:41:40 <lars_> Termana: yes. patches mostly fail on Kconfig and Makefile files when new drivers have been added to upstream, but it's straight forward to fix it manually
Jan 17 03:41:44 <DocScrutinizer51> lars_: btw how's kernel messing business? :-)
Jan 17 03:42:59 <lars_> DocScrutinizer51: not good, don't have much time
Jan 17 03:43:20 <DocScrutinizer51> a pitty
Jan 17 03:44:18 <DocScrutinizer51> I realized WSOD still not yet fixed for good
Jan 17 03:45:02 <Termana> lars_: Sorry to ask so many questions - I just want to make sure i'm not jumping into something and then realising that I was completely wrong on the difficulity of adding the drivers back in to a mainline kernel :P
Jan 17 03:46:02 <DocScrutinizer51> which drivers are you talking bout exactly?
Jan 17 03:46:53 <lars_> DocScrutinizer51: tell me more
Jan 17 03:47:14 <Termana> DocScrutinizer51: Mainly the touchscreen one, since as was explained to me above, GPRS doesn't need any special drivers. I don't think I would need anything else, except maybe sound.
Jan 17 03:47:51 <DocScrutinizer51> lars_: honestly?
Jan 17 03:48:09 <lars_> DocScrutinizer51: yes
Jan 17 03:48:27 <DocScrutinizer51> k. please join cdevel
Jan 17 03:48:31 <lars_> Termana: A display driver would be nice aswell, i guess
Jan 17 03:49:57 <max_posedon> Termana, sound on neo not very nice too
Jan 17 03:51:03 <Termana> lars_: When I say touchscreen, I mean whatever gets the display working :P
Jan 17 03:51:50 <max_posedon> but glamo(neo's smth, that usually names gpu) have a lot of problem
Jan 17 03:56:36 <Termana> max_posedon: Again, I'm not looking for great things and everything to work - I'm just looking for something that is going to be easy to get some stuff working (in this case: GPRS, Display, Touchscreen and maybe Sound) with the mainline kernel.
Jan 17 03:57:07 <max_posedon> neo fits this
Jan 17 03:58:18 <max_posedon> but, I just trying notice you, that neo have some stuff, that doesn't work, and you don't ask this, because you (may be) can't belive that any device can have unworkable this feature
Jan 17 04:03:51 <Termana> Your right, I haven't asked what doesn't work, because I am not looking at having the GPU work with or even without a mainline kernel. And the other device that I have been thinking about getting - the driver is under an NDA from my knowledge. So you can't use the GPU on THAT either.
Jan 17 04:04:47 <Termana> Plus it doesn't have GPRS AND trying to get anything mainline running on it, is like trying to hold in baked beans - it ain't going to happen.
Jan 17 04:07:54 <max_posedon> so, I just wanted warn you, neo is great device, but its greatness really specific)
Jan 17 04:08:24 <max_posedon> I like it, but 2 my friends, bought and after few months selled it
Jan 17 04:08:37 <max_posedon> s/selled/sold
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Jan 17 12:15:50 <Kero> uhm? root password set on shr-testing? just built a fresh image and I can not log in...
Jan 17 12:16:12 <PaulFertser> Kero: not set, that's the problem
Jan 17 12:16:21 <PaulFertser> Kero: openssh doesnt' allow blank password.
Jan 17 12:17:55 <Kero> why no dropbear anymore? just curious
Jan 17 12:18:45 <PaulFertser> Kero: some compatibility issues, i do not remember.
Jan 17 12:19:42 <Kero> well. an additional problem is that X does not start. So how do I type anything...
Jan 17 12:23:06 <Kero> impressive lcd driver mess up on first auto-suspend, and extremely quickly, too. black screen with some white pixels in a column on the left side with the suggestion it's scrolling so fast that you can not recognize the pixels as characters anymore.
Jan 17 12:24:40 <Kero> lemme solve the root password, then I'll see if that is reproducable...
Jan 17 12:28:47 <DocScrutinizer> SHRteam: http://shr-project.org/trac does NOT mention a recommended version of image (like "use testing to be found here ->URL") in a prominent location (top of page)
Jan 17 12:29:53 <DocScrutinizer> shrteam: as someone kicked the URL off #openmoko topic and replaced it with http://shr-project.org/trac, I *urgently* sugest to edit this front page
Jan 17 12:31:32 <Kero> this is silly. I seem to have wrecked /home/root on my failsafe image and dropbear won't alow *that*... X does not start anymore, either!
Jan 17 12:32:00 <Kero> and to top it off, laptop can not read uSD card (w/ adapter) in its SD slot.
Jan 17 12:33:18 <lindi-> PaulFertser: openssh allows empty password with PermitEmptyPasswords
Jan 17 12:35:16 <Kero> lindi-: but that does not help me...
Jan 17 12:39:21 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i know, but shr folks for some reason didn't tweak that.
Jan 17 12:52:08 * Kero wants to flash an (old) image into mtd, to ge access to Neo again. But dfu-util does not see my 6th/big/new partition? reset of neo, uboot mtdparts shows that partition.
Jan 17 12:54:08 * Kero downloads up to date dfu-util...
Jan 17 12:54:56 <Kero> does not help
Jan 17 14:24:11 <Fox_Muldr> i updated today my shr-u and there were a kernel update included. does this kernel have debug options disabled like discussed in the ml? i wonder because it is a bit smaller than my last one
Jan 17 14:29:51 <JaMa> Fox_Muldr: no shr-u is quite the same
Jan 17 14:31:55 <JaMa> Fox_Muldr: but it also depends from which revision you're upgrading.. http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/log/recipes/linux/linux-openmoko-shr-devel_git.bb 12days ago I removed UBI debug.. then was only NAND_WRITE removed..
Jan 17 14:44:06 <Fox_Muldr> i compiled latest andy tracking without most debug and preempt so than maybe i try my kernel instead of the shr-u default
Jan 17 15:10:42 <max_posedon> Fox_Muldr, don't forget modules
Jan 17 16:27:44 <slaxxer> somebody needs to get busy 
Jan 17 16:28:14 <slaxxer> an put the community update up on yhe main page
Jan 17 16:40:40 * DocScrutinizer considers to publish a neo-optimize-registry.exe to complement the kernel nodebug foo
Jan 17 16:41:46 <DocScrutinizer> may also a internet-booster app with really very few advertisment crap inside
Jan 17 17:03:27 <radekp> lars_: hi, i think newest kernel is missing definition for saved_irq_mask
Jan 17 17:04:04 <radekp> otherwise it does not compile, but after simple fix like http://activationrecord.net/radekp/pub/saved_irq_mask.diff it's ok
Jan 17 17:04:21 <radekp> and suspend works, which is great, so thanks!
Jan 17 17:04:31 <lars_> radekp: i know
Jan 17 17:04:38 <lars_> patch is on it's way
Jan 17 17:04:45 <radekp> ahh oki :)
Jan 17 17:05:44 <radekp> btw maybe 2.6.32 could also have config for gta02?
Jan 17 17:10:27 <lars_> do you have a good one?
Jan 17 17:12:59 <JaMa> lars_: maybe you can use one from shr?
Jan 17 17:13:18 <JaMa> lars_: http://jama.homelinux.org/org.openembedded.shr.images/config.gz
Jan 17 17:13:48 <JaMa> lars_: ah but there is gdrm-2.6.32 already merged..
Jan 17 17:14:00 <JaMa> lars_: so there will be std fb off and kms fb on instead
Jan 17 17:14:06 <radekp> lars_: i am using yours config from 2.6.31
Jan 17 17:14:22 <radekp> lars_: but regenrated with kbuild
Jan 17 18:00:39 <JaMa> lars_: drivers/leds/leds-gta02-vibrator.c:22:22: error: plat/pwm.h: No such file or directory, maybe not all users were switched to generic pwm api?
Jan 17 18:00:59 <JaMa> lars_: or do you have some more patches for vibrator?
Jan 17 18:01:07 <lars_> JaMa: disable the vibrator
Jan 17 18:01:13 <lars_> it isn't used anyway anymore
Jan 17 18:01:18 <JaMa> ah ok
Jan 17 18:53:09 <badcloud> is there a good guide for setting up bitbake?
Jan 17 18:53:21 <badcloud> specifically for packaging programs in shr
Jan 17 18:55:17 <JaMa> badcloud: http://docs.openembedded.org/usermanual/usermanual.html
Jan 17 18:59:28 <badcloud> thanks, I'll have a read
Jan 17 19:46:48 <badcloud> what do I have to cover from step 1 in http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Howto%20get%20my%20application%20in%20the%20SHR%20feed regarding source code of existing (and working program)?
Jan 17 22:53:09 <don-i> hey
Jan 17 23:07:50 <gargoyle-grin> Hey, folks.  Koolu's file server seems to be down.  Does anybody know of a mirror that would have their Android for Freerunner Beta 7 tarball?
Jan 17 23:08:39 <gargoyle-grin> Or, perhaps, does anybody have a copy I could respectfully request a copy of (via RapidShare or something.)
Jan 17 23:10:43 <gargoyle-grin> That tarball is *supposed* to be available at http://www.koolu.org/releases/beta7/android-freerunner-koolu1.0-beta-7.tar.gz
Jan 18 00:39:51 <RPG_Master> Hey, I am a 15 year old interested in the Neo Freerunner... But I am kinda afraid... how hard would you say it is to get it to work? Does it crash all the time or is it pretty stable?
Jan 18 00:44:16 <FxChiP> unless you have a lot of coding experience, it'd probably be... a bad idea
Jan 18 00:47:02 <ColdFyre> no
Jan 18 00:47:23 <ColdFyre> use some more mature distros and you don't have to mess with it
Jan 18 00:47:27 <ColdFyre> flash and forget
Jan 18 00:58:01 <RPG_Master> Sorry, but after doing some looking around... I think I am just going to get the HTC Hero :/
Jan 18 00:58:27 <RPG_Master> *HTC Eris
Jan 18 00:58:28 <RPG_Master> :P
Jan 18 00:58:30 <SpeedEvil> I would also consider the n900
Jan 18 00:58:39 <SpeedEvil> Way, way more open.
Jan 18 00:58:44 <RPG_Master> Doesn't that cost like $400?
Jan 18 00:58:48 <SpeedEvil> Not quite as open as FR - but still.
Jan 18 00:58:53 <SpeedEvil> of that order.
Jan 18 00:59:00 <RPG_Master> :/
Jan 18 00:59:11 <RPG_Master> darn, I only gots $200 :(
Jan 18 00:59:35 <SpeedEvil> The n900 is not subsidised in some markets, so can be more expensive.
Jan 18 00:59:43 <SpeedEvil> Do remember to cost out the contract cost fully
Jan 18 01:00:38 <RPG_Master> :O  $550 unlocked over here :'(
Jan 18 01:01:40 <raster> RPG_Master: smartphones are costly
Jan 18 01:01:50 <raster> they are generally about $400-$800 or so
Jan 18 01:01:55 <raster> thats actual cost
Jan 18 01:02:22 <raster> only reason u can buy them for like $100 or $200 is because the telco pays between $200 and $600 for u
Jan 18 01:02:35 <raster> and they then want that back by locking the phone to their network
Jan 18 01:02:39 <raster> and putting you on a contract
Jan 18 01:02:49 <raster> u end up paying that money back over time anyway
Jan 18 01:02:49 <RPG_Master> It's sad :(
Jan 18 01:03:01 <raster> and are bound to the telco and cant switch
Jan 18 01:03:04 <raster> wellk not really
Jan 18 01:03:06 <raster> its not sad
Jan 18 01:03:12 <raster> u just buy the phone unlocked
Jan 18 01:03:23 <raster> yes - it costs more
Jan 18 01:03:28 <raster> thats the reality of the device
Jan 18 01:03:48 <raster> u have been fooled into thinking phones are cheaper than they really are by telcos
Jan 18 01:04:01 <raster> thats how telcos got people onto mobiles
Jan 18 01:04:13 <raster> they build the market by subsidising the entry point
Jan 18 01:04:39 <raster> the mobile phone subscriber base would not have grown as fast as it did if everyone had to pay $500 or $1000 just  to start using a phone
Jan 18 01:04:40 <RPG_Master> Well, my parents are already going to switch to Varizon after our contract expires with AT&T this year... so I am just going to get that Eris then.
Jan 18 01:05:02 <raster> android - meh
Jan 18 01:05:08 <raster> not really the open it clqaims
Jan 18 01:05:11 <raster> and a painful os
Jan 18 01:05:42 <raster> the n900 is good hw
Jan 18 01:05:48 <raster> the os is crap tho
Jan 18 01:05:51 <raster> yes - its linux
Jan 18 01:06:02 <SpeedEvil> Why is the OS crap?
Jan 18 01:06:07 <raster> but unstable as a patient in arkham
Jan 18 01:06:11 <SpeedEvil> Have you used one?
Jan 18 01:06:13 <raster> SpeedEvil:  unstable
Jan 18 01:06:16 <raster> yes
Jan 18 01:06:19 <SpeedEvil> I have not had one unexplained crash.
Jan 18 01:06:22 <raster> i have one here next to me
Jan 18 01:06:39 <raster> i've had to reflash 3 times already with the white doots boot" bug
Jan 18 01:06:51 <SpeedEvil> It's 'just worked' for me.
Jan 18 01:06:53 <raster> literally the thing will hang and restart x every few minutes
Jan 18 01:07:11 <raster> (apparently some gl-es mem alloc bug)
Jan 18 01:07:30 <SpeedEvil> Doing anything strange?
Jan 18 01:08:10 <raster> me?
Jan 18 01:08:13 <raster> no - just use it
Jan 18 01:08:18 <raster> liike... load a web page and scroll
Jan 18 01:08:20 <SpeedEvil> odd.
Jan 18 01:08:23 <raster> or type in an sms
Jan 18 01:08:31 <raster> its crashes mid-sms typing several times on me
Jan 18 01:08:38 <SpeedEvil> It's been completely stable for me. hw?
Jan 18 01:08:47 <raster> in fact its crashed many times simply blanking the screen
Jan 18 01:09:08 <raster> dunno
Jan 18 01:09:14 <raster> it was a new shiny production phone
Jan 18 01:09:44 <SpeedEvil> there have been hw bugs.
Jan 18 01:09:58 <SpeedEvil> Some moderate number without functioning microphones forex.
Jan 18 01:10:04 <raster> well both these bugs have already been reported by others
Jan 18 01:10:10 <raster> and both acknowledged
Jan 18 01:10:15 <raster> but neither fixed
Jan 18 01:10:24 <raster>  nokia claims the compositor crash bug is very rare
Jan 18 01:10:28 <raster>  not here
Jan 18 01:10:32 <raster> its all the time
Jan 18 01:10:44 <raster> and they say its some mem alloc thing
Jan 18 01:10:49 <SpeedEvil> It may be very rare - on most hardware. - which is why I was wondering if it was partially hw
Jan 18 01:10:50 <raster> which to me doesnt say "hw bug"
Jan 18 01:11:04 <raster> maybe its just my aura
Jan 18 01:11:45 <raster> if the thing doesnt run e... it crashes on me
Jan 18 01:11:46 <raster> :)
Jan 18 01:12:13 <SpeedEvil> I would report the issue to nokia care, see if they will swap
Jan 18 01:13:03 <SpeedEvil> Or take it apart, as an excuse.
Jan 18 01:13:03 <raster> not going to happen
Jan 18 01:13:15 <raster> as it was bought in the usa for me
Jan 18 01:13:18 <raster> then shipped to au
Jan 18 01:13:23 <SpeedEvil> oh.
Jan 18 01:13:26 <SpeedEvil> :/
Jan 18 01:13:42 <raster> i'll make some videos of it when i have the time
Jan 18 01:13:45 <SpeedEvil> You're in .au? Did you move - or have I been confused about your location for a long time?
Jan 18 01:13:46 <raster> write up about it
Jan 18 01:13:57 <raster> where did u think i was?
Jan 18 01:14:09 <SpeedEvil> I thought HK
Jan 18 01:14:13 <raster> hk?
Jan 18 01:14:15 <raster> hahaha no
Jan 18 01:14:21 <raster> never lived there
Jan 18 01:14:31 <raster> i lived in jp for 4 yeqars
Jan 18 01:14:39 <raster> spent some time in and out of tw <-> au
Jan 18 01:14:40 <SpeedEvil> You have for the past several years - in my mind!!! :)
Jan 18 01:14:55 <SpeedEvil> I may have gotten tw/jp confused with hk
Jan 18 01:15:00 <raster> but mostly in au for the past 2 years or so
Jan 18 01:15:10 <raster> i did live int he states for 4 years too
Jan 18 01:15:17 <raster> long ago i lived in de
Jan 18 01:15:21 <raster> and nigreia too
Jan 18 01:15:26 <raster> nigeria
Jan 18 01:15:32 <SpeedEvil> That's a fair list.
Jan 18 01:15:41 <raster> and currently i'm floating around kr
Jan 18 01:15:44 * SpeedEvil is ~10km from his place of birth.
Jan 18 01:15:46 <raster> tho not livving
Jan 18 01:15:51 <raster> just creating trouble
Jan 18 01:16:16 <raster> haha! your apple hasnt fallen far from the tree
Jan 18 01:16:17 <raster> :)
Jan 18 01:16:19 <SpeedEvil> Currently having fun with house DIY
Jan 18 01:16:32 <SpeedEvil> And not having enough time to get shiny stuff listed on ebay
Jan 18 01:16:34 <SpeedEvil> or built
Jan 18 01:17:12 <SpeedEvil> Stuff like bluetooth displays, or ...
Jan 18 01:18:37 <SpeedEvil> And I need to see if any of the debug thingies under the n900 battery expose I2C.
Jan 18 01:18:59 <SpeedEvil> I want to add at least a compass and nordic semi radio link on.
Jan 18 01:20:33 <raster> mmmm shiny stuff
Jan 18 01:20:43 <raster> me wants to show his shiny stuff in public
Jan 18 01:21:27 <SpeedEvil> You're trying to run e on 80c31s?
Jan 18 01:21:43 <raster> no :)
Jan 18 01:26:09 * SpeedEvil just wants a nice fast linux system in a QFN36 for $2. Oh - low power too.
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