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Feb 01 03:34:48 <SpeedEvil> Woo!
Feb 01 03:34:57 * SpeedEvil needs to get his gta01 up
Feb 01 03:38:12 <Psi> up as in your phone booted or up as in your image uploaded?
Feb 01 03:38:43 <SpeedEvil> as in reassembled
Feb 01 03:38:58 <SpeedEvil> and with at least some image on it
Feb 01 03:38:59 <Psi> heh took it apart for 1024 fix?
Feb 01 03:39:02 <SpeedEvil> no.
Feb 01 03:39:06 <SpeedEvil> other things.
Feb 01 03:39:48 <SpeedEvil> IIRC to put wifi in. 
Feb 01 03:39:52 <SpeedEvil> But that project stalled
Feb 01 03:40:16 <Psi> lol wifi
Feb 01 03:40:26 <Psi> how were you planing on doing that?
Feb 01 03:40:41 <SpeedEvil> remove GPS ant. Place small USB wifi stick in place.
Feb 01 03:40:46 <Psi> ah
Feb 01 03:40:53 <Psi> and some sort of 5v power as well
Feb 01 03:40:57 <SpeedEvil> Bypass 3.3V regulator, add link to PSU
Feb 01 03:41:14 <SpeedEvil> add internal USB hub, split from bluetooth.
Feb 01 03:41:25 <Psi> interesting
Feb 01 03:41:26 <SpeedEvil> add GPS chip antenna with amplifier 
Feb 01 03:41:40 <Psi> yeah, gps is pretty bad
Feb 01 03:41:48 <Psi> ive only ever got a lock once
Feb 01 03:41:55 <SpeedEvil> works fine for me
Feb 01 03:42:17 <SpeedEvil> well - to the limits of not being a great GPS
Feb 01 03:42:18 <Psi> mine just sits at 1-2 sats
Feb 01 03:44:05 <SpeedEvil> Then I plan on setting up the phone as a microwave oven controller. Which is silly. But employs it usefully, and adds stuff not usually possible - like simmer maintaining a specified humidity in the exhaust. I have a large otherwise functional microwave/oven - with a dead controller.
Feb 01 03:44:23 <Psi> heh
Feb 01 03:44:33 <Psi> our microwave has the most awful interface
Feb 01 03:44:49 <Psi> which is sad because the controls are really good, its just the software
Feb 01 03:44:54 <Psi> well, firmware
Feb 01 03:45:18 <Psi> ive often pondered ripping it all out and putting an atmega in
Feb 01 03:45:22 <SpeedEvil> yeah
Feb 01 03:45:39 <SpeedEvil> The sad thing is I have the next model - gotten from ebay - though a smaller control panel.
Feb 01 03:45:51 <SpeedEvil> and they completely suckified the interface.
Feb 01 03:46:17 <SpeedEvil> Going from a quite usable interface with sensible options - and adding in 3 more rows of buttons.
Feb 01 04:27:51 <Psi> ahh, screen blanked at touch calibration screen after first boot, and it accepted my click to bring screen back as calibration, now its all messed up :P
Feb 01 04:28:45 * Psi wipes partition and starts again
Feb 01 04:52:05 <Psi> damn, touchscreen is upside down
Feb 01 04:52:20 * Psi wipes partition and starts again
Feb 01 04:53:54 <slaxxer> well stopit
Feb 01 04:54:09 <slaxxer> :)
Feb 01 04:54:30 <Psi> going to calibrate up the other way
Feb 01 06:38:35 <Psi> yay, got it to work
Feb 01 06:38:44 <Psi> hm.. this new build is fast+
Feb 01 06:42:02 <SpeedEvil> :)
Feb 01 06:42:21 <Psi> touch calibration is a trap tho
Feb 01 06:42:34 <Psi> i dunno how i fixed it, but its working fine now
Feb 01 06:43:22 * Psi runs this build through some tests to see if the phone functionality works
Feb 01 06:55:24 <Psi> wow, someone fixed the bug where all the messages had the same datetime. thats pretty awesome
Feb 01 16:04:34 <obym> hallo, is number-to-name-resolution in the dialer in shr-t supposed to work right now? because it is not working for me...
Feb 01 16:07:08 <zeroedout> have you set up your area/country code an stuff?
Feb 01 16:12:41 <obym> yes
Feb 01 16:13:48 <obym> i also tried it with full numbers in my contacts like +491234567
Feb 01 16:31:07 <DocScrutinizer> there's a converter script to remove that silly "tel:" prefix for newest opimd elease
Feb 01 16:31:56 <DocScrutinizer> dunno if all that applies to testing though
Feb 01 16:32:20 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: dos11: any comments?
Feb 01 16:32:37 <TAsn> does not
Feb 01 16:32:43 <TAsn> at least I don't think
Feb 01 16:32:50 <TAsn> we haven't moved to a sane opimd yet.
Feb 01 16:33:11 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, I bet he didn't restart after setting the country code stuff
Feb 01 16:33:12 <TAsn> :P
Feb 01 16:33:23 <TAsn> dos1, what about adding a combo box with the country?
Feb 01 16:33:38 <dos1> i'll try to do that soon
Feb 01 16:34:09 <TAsn> yay :P
Feb 01 17:03:40 <badcloud> anyone get this to work? ---> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Video_Player#Controlling_MPlayer_from_the_Touchscreen
Feb 01 17:03:59 <TAsn> me.
Feb 01 17:04:48 <TAsn> exactly like they said there (or maybe I read the man to make sure the input.conf is in the right place or something, I don't remember,was  along time ago.)
Feb 01 17:19:46 <tim_abell> hello, i have some labels on my open layers map, but even though i've done it as #f00 it still isn't readable on our very busy map backdrop. is there a way to get openlayers to put a background on the text to make it readable?
Feb 01 17:19:56 <[Rui]> I still think mplayer on this device is nigh useless waste of time
Feb 01 17:21:03 <pespin> [Rui], hei, I'm gettint a db error when trying to set up account in elmdentica
Feb 01 17:21:53 <[Rui]> pespin: still haven't built elmdentica for current shr-u
Feb 01 17:22:34 <tim_abell> and is there a reference for what you can set in a style map? i couldn't find one
Feb 01 17:22:34 <pespin> [Rui], it's in feeds
Feb 01 17:23:13 <pespin> [Rui], $ elmdentica 
Feb 01 17:23:13 <pespin> CRI:eina_stringshare eina_stringshare.c:666 _eina_stringshare_small_del() EEEK trying to del non-shared stringshare "8"
Feb 01 17:23:14 <pespin> Can't perform INSERT INTO accounts (enabled, name, password, type, proto, domain, port, base_url, receive, send) values (1, 'pespin', '1234blabla', 1, 'https', '', 443, '/', 1, 1);: 1 => table accounts has no column named receive
Feb 01 17:23:33 <[Rui]> pespin: rm -rf .elmdentica
Feb 01 17:23:42 <tim_abell> damn it, wrong channel
Feb 01 17:23:42 <tim_abell> sorry
Feb 01 17:23:50 <tim_abell> stupid client
Feb 01 17:23:55 <[Rui]> tim_abell: np
Feb 01 17:24:06 <tim_abell> openlayers/openmoko
Feb 01 17:24:14 <tim_abell> had my channel list half hidden
Feb 01 17:25:06 <tim_abell> but seeing as i'm here, why is it when i read txt messages in launcher do they not get marked as read in the lock screen (shr-t)?
Feb 01 17:25:33 <tim_abell> i naively presumed they used the same storage for "read" status
Feb 01 17:28:49 <badcloud> TAsn: thanks, I'll try it again from the top
Feb 01 17:29:47 <TAsn> badcloud, np, it's almost a one liner, I think (not sure) that I had some issues with mplayer taking wrong config file, check, try to provide mplayer with the config file explicitly from the command line to make sure the configuration is ok , and just the path is wrong
Feb 01 17:29:47 <TAsn> cio.
Feb 01 17:29:50 <TAsn> ciao*
Feb 01 17:32:50 <[Rui]> pespin: did you install it already?
Feb 01 17:33:41 <badcloud> TAsn: seems like it's using the right config file. it's just not working... :P
Feb 01 17:34:29 <badcloud> cat /home/root/.mplayer/input.conf
Feb 01 17:34:34 <badcloud> MOUSE_BTN0 pause
Feb 01 17:34:34 <badcloud> MOUSE_BTN0_DBL vo_fullscreen
Feb 01 17:34:44 <badcloud> I'm using an mp3
Feb 01 17:35:00 <badcloud> trying to get the damn thing to pause
Feb 01 17:56:26 <pespin> [Rui], it doesn't show any error now :)
Feb 01 17:56:49 <pespin> [Rui], but, should I get recent messages? I'm getting nothing
Feb 01 17:57:51 <[Rui]> by pressing the timeline button
Feb 01 17:58:09 <pespin> [Rui], nothing appears
Feb 01 17:59:27 <[Rui]> double check account properties please
Feb 01 17:59:36 <[Rui]> pespin: if using identi.ca, please use protocol twitter
Feb 01 17:59:41 <[Rui]> with url /api
Feb 01 17:59:50 <pespin> [Rui], oh, then that's the problem I thin k;)
Feb 01 17:59:59 <[Rui]> and use fast rather than secure :)
Feb 01 18:00:09 <[Rui]> I don't know why https is not working
Feb 01 18:04:31 <pespin> [Rui], blak domain?
Feb 01 18:04:33 <pespin> *blank
Feb 01 18:04:46 <[Rui]> identi.ca   and /api
Feb 01 18:04:58 <TAsn> badcloud, playing it from command line, I think you can see exactly what's being issued...
Feb 01 18:05:12 <[Rui]> I had to choose between a (possibly) never ending list of sites, or asking the user for more detail
Feb 01 18:05:39 <pespin> ok, it works now :)
Feb 01 18:05:45 <[Rui]> as currently all (if not merely most) users of this app are technical people... I didn't think it would be a problem :)
Feb 01 18:06:30 <[Rui]> but perhaps I will not be able to escape that...
Feb 01 18:07:35 <pespin> [Rui], I would add a list for more popular ones, and possibility to add domains to the list ;)
Feb 01 18:07:54 <[Rui]> but that will mean a bigger application :)
Feb 01 18:08:11 <[Rui]> for now it's under 50k :)
Feb 01 18:08:22 <[Rui]> 42.9k
Feb 01 18:20:14 <pespin> [Rui], I don't think it won't mak the app much bigger.. hwo much different sites were you thinking to add?
Feb 01 18:20:23 <[Rui]> pespin: no, it won't.
Feb 01 18:20:38 <[Rui]> actually I was surprised to see I should do some work on the memory side. almost 6MB
Feb 01 18:20:57 <[Rui]> erms... that's on shared. 
Feb 01 18:21:49 <[Rui]> 29148  11m 5960 is what I see . I should test how much less it would be if I don't show avatars.
Feb 01 18:22:42 <SpeedEvil> look at /proc/*/smaps
Feb 01 18:22:48 <SpeedEvil> sum the PSS lines
Feb 01 18:23:02 <SpeedEvil> for a reasonable approximation as to how much each process 'really' uses
Feb 01 18:23:38 <Wonka> hmm... http://www.selenic.com/smem/ came around some days ago...
Feb 01 18:24:51 <[Rui]> well, at least a good part of it is shared with enlightenment :)
Feb 01 18:28:42 <SpeedEvil> smaps is somewhat misrepresentative - and can be misleading - in the case of adding stuff with more than one process
Feb 01 18:46:14 <ThibG> my FR is going nuts...
Feb 01 18:46:46 <ThibG> receiving the same message, about every 5 minutes
Feb 01 18:47:18 <ThibG> (using SHR-u from yesterday)
Feb 01 19:14:28 <pespin> [Rui], I think you are missing curl dependency check in configure script of elmdentica :)
Feb 01 19:14:52 <[Rui]> pespin: which one? because I don't :)
Feb 01 19:15:27 <H_u_m> badcloud: mplayer MOUSE_BTN0_DBL q works for me
Feb 01 19:16:47 <pespin> [Rui], libcurl
Feb 01 19:17:09 <pespin> It didn't stop me in configure, but couldn't compile without installing itg
Feb 01 19:17:14 <[Rui]> pespin: I removed it from configure.ac because enlightenment already brings it
Feb 01 19:17:25 <pespin> [Rui], oh, ok :)
Feb 01 19:17:29 <[Rui]> but perhaps it's better to have it explicitly exposed
Feb 01 19:17:36 <H_u_m> badcloud: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Hum
Feb 01 19:17:44 <[Rui]> it will catch those cases :)
Feb 01 19:17:52 <pespin> [Rui], yeah, better ;)
Feb 01 19:18:00 <[Rui]> pespin: that happened because of one of my runs trying to figure why https is not working
Feb 01 19:25:59 <badcloud> H_u_m: thanks, I'll give it a looksee
Feb 01 19:29:18 <DocScrutinizer> ~ping
Feb 01 19:29:19 <infobot> ~pong
Feb 01 20:18:24 <djp_> just installed latest shr-unstable release (1.2.2010). new caliberation window appeared and worked and config screens all appeared and went without issue. however my fr is unable to gain a connection to my mobile network...
Feb 01 20:19:44 <djp_> will attempt a reboot and see if that helps
Feb 01 20:24:31 <djp_> network found :)
Feb 01 20:57:10 <ndnihil> http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/02/01/1555206/Nokia-N900-Linux-Smartphone-Running-OS-X?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher
Feb 01 20:57:54 <xcasex> hmm
Feb 01 21:00:30 <SpeedEvil> err - what?
Feb 01 21:00:36 <SpeedEvil> it's not x86
Feb 01 21:00:47 <SpeedEvil> oh - qemu presumably.
Feb 01 21:01:10 <SpeedEvil> One of the pointlessly useless class of 'things that work'
Feb 01 21:03:12 <ndnihil> http://thenokiablog.com/2010/01/31/mac-os-x-nokia-n900/
Feb 01 21:03:19 <ndnihil> should have jut posted that link
Feb 01 21:03:31 <ndnihil> /. is annoying
Feb 01 21:03:51 <max_posedon> running anything is qemu isn't feature
Feb 01 21:03:54 <max_posedon> its BS
Feb 01 21:04:01 <max_posedon> s/is/in
Feb 01 21:04:29 <ndnihil> yeah, but at least it had the specs to do it, even if it was ass slow
Feb 01 21:04:43 <ndnihil> doing that on the FR would be impossible
Feb 01 21:05:09 <max_posedon> why impossible?
Feb 01 21:05:15 <max_posedon> qemu runs on FR
Feb 01 21:05:24 <max_posedon> mac-os runs in qemu
Feb 01 21:05:28 <max_posedon> whats the problem?
Feb 01 21:05:31 <ndnihil> it'd run so slowly you'd never know if it worked or not
Feb 01 21:05:46 <max_posedon> on n900 mac-os booted 1hour
Feb 01 21:05:51 <max_posedon> on neo will be 3
Feb 01 21:05:52 <ndnihil> 2hrs
Feb 01 21:06:04 <ndnihil> on FR, 2days
Feb 01 21:06:05 <max_posedon> its so long, that just doesn't metter
Feb 01 21:06:17 <max_posedon> ndnihil, you can easy calculate
Feb 01 21:06:46 <ndnihil> yeah yeah, I'm just saying that the N900 has better specs, and that I want one
Feb 01 21:06:56 <ndnihil> not to run OSX
Feb 01 21:06:57 <max_posedon> they haven't usb host!)
Feb 01 21:07:29 <ndnihil> yeah, that part is a bit annoying, but to be honest, I've not used usb-host on the FR at all (yet)
Feb 01 21:09:06 <badcloud> H_u_m: tried your config, no change
Feb 01 21:09:28 <badcloud> can you double-tap-quit using a sound file?
Feb 01 21:09:39 <badcloud> using--->while playing
Feb 01 22:03:33 <DocScrutinizer> well all those cute little stick gadgets with a usb A plug on one end, that's a really nice to have option sometimes
Feb 01 22:24:49 <Weiss> hmmm...
Feb 01 22:25:31 * Weiss tries to remember that problem with the battery charge % showing up wrongly.. maybe I fixed it in my previous installation and forgot about it, but I'm getting a maximum of 73% displayed right now.. is that normal?
Feb 01 22:28:23 <DocScrutinizer51> nope. that's wrong
Feb 01 22:28:59 <DocScrutinizer51> switch to internal mode (instead of HAL)
Feb 01 22:29:06 <DocScrutinizer51> should fix it
Feb 01 22:30:49 <DocScrutinizer51> (though I haven't ever done that and found no batget issues nevertheless)
Feb 01 22:30:54 <Weiss> hmmm.. it's on Internal already, switching to HAL makes the reading much lower still
Feb 01 22:31:12 <DocScrutinizer51> seem to remember it's also related to the theme
Feb 01 22:31:59 <DocScrutinizer51> Weiss: so what's the meaning of 'can't get no mor than..." ?
Feb 01 22:33:13 <DocScrutinizer51> Weiss: probably you should run my bq2udetail script
Feb 01 22:33:30 <DocScrutinizer51> bq27detail
Feb 01 22:35:44 <Weiss> it worked fine a moment ago before I flashed latest images on both my FRs, and both are now the same with old and new batteries, so I suspect a simple software problem
Feb 01 22:38:07 <DocScrutinizer51> sw prob yes. simple no
Feb 01 22:38:14 <Weiss> ah :(
Feb 01 22:38:23 <Weiss> but a new problem since 8.8.2009?
Feb 01 22:38:32 <Weiss> (date of the last image I was using)
Feb 01 22:38:58 <DocScrutinizer51> obviously
Feb 01 22:39:42 <Weiss> I also notice the battery getting quite warm.. warmer than I was used to, I think, although I wouldn't swear to it
Feb 01 22:39:54 <DocScrutinizer51> or resurrection of an old one. I suspect another sysfs naming madness
Feb 01 22:41:57 <DocScrutinizer51> check current_now in shr settings - power
Feb 01 22:49:05 <Weiss> DocScrutinizer51: 538 mA right now (no SIM in, 80% brightness)
Feb 01 22:49:33 <DocScrutinizer51> estoes mucho
Feb 01 22:49:56 <Weiss> it's not charging any more though, hang on..
Feb 01 22:50:24 <Weiss> 553 mA charging from USB (500 mA)
Feb 01 22:50:50 <DocScrutinizer51> hmm that's normal
Feb 01 22:53:33 <SpeedEvil> a battery will tend to - as it ages - get warmer at the same charging current
Feb 01 22:55:05 <Weiss> while people are awake, did someone break git.openmoko.org?
Feb 01 22:55:37 <DocScrutinizer51> hm?
Feb 01 22:55:55 <Weiss> connection refused on HTTP and SSH
Feb 01 22:56:26 <Weiss> also Git protocol
Feb 01 22:57:17 <DocScrutinizer51> heard roh talking bout server migrations. No idea if git.om.org is affected
Feb 01 23:00:09 <emmentaler> anyone knows if nokia n900 supports CSD?
Feb 01 23:00:40 <DocScrutinizer51> not sure
Feb 01 23:00:44 <DocScrutinizer51> should
Feb 01 23:06:23 <JaMa> Weiss: here is latest snapshot .. http://build.shr-project.org/sources/git_git.openmoko.org.git.kernel.git_04697d0e4011a0f2942411acff56f9bc9ca6c11a.tar.gz no idea why git.om doesn't work
Feb 01 23:08:00 <Weiss> hmm.. does that include all branches, or just HEAD? I need to get a 2.6.32 tree to start breaking things with :)
Feb 01 23:09:12 <JaMa> http://build.shr-project.org/sources/git_git.openmoko.org.git.kernel.git.tar.gz could be whole tree 788M
Feb 01 23:09:40 <JaMa> that targz before was probably only om-gta02 branch
Feb 01 23:10:04 <JaMa> mickeyl: etk-native ping :)
Feb 01 23:10:39 <mickeyl> ah, right
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