**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 02 02:59:58 2010 Feb 02 03:56:03 i assume the batteres in the spares pack on direct.openmoko.com are the gta02 type? Feb 02 09:38:44 badcloud: You are right, double tap while playing mp2 doesn't work Feb 02 09:39:29 You have to tap on the video screen, imho Feb 02 09:40:03 q works Feb 02 09:44:33 Psi: is it hard to solder ~12k to GND on your gta01? Feb 02 09:44:46 to the case Feb 02 09:44:53 ive only soldered the cap in Feb 02 09:44:55 Then you'll be able to use any bl6c Feb 02 09:44:59 ah Feb 02 09:45:14 what about the origional battery? Feb 02 09:45:18 bl-5c or gta02 batter or whatever Feb 02 09:45:27 What do you mean? Feb 02 09:45:45 if i solder this 12k in will i still be able to use the gta01 battery? Feb 02 09:46:07 Hm, if you isolate its ID pin, yes Feb 02 09:47:29 so this 12k just tells the phone the temp sensor is at the correct temp. From then on, you just isolate the id pin on all batteries and everything is happy Feb 02 09:54:48 PaulFertser: ^ Feb 02 10:09:59 Psi: you can leave id pin non-isolated on nokia batteries since it's ~75k and on gta02 bat since it's \inf i guess. Feb 02 10:11:45 ah Feb 02 10:11:47 got ya Feb 02 10:12:22 :) Feb 02 10:13:12 10k is the middle point for pcf50606 with 10k reference (like it's used on gta01). Feb 02 10:14:25 do you know if any rotate code has changed in shr in the last few months Feb 02 10:14:42 xrandr -o left doesnt seem to work any more Feb 02 10:18:51 I guess they're using x.org now and it was xfbdev kdrive before. Feb 02 10:18:58 ah Feb 02 10:33:26 heh, its a little slow, but space quest 4 is running in dosbox :) Feb 02 15:18:28 * DocScrutinizer suggests to desolder(/rework for gta02 maybe) the ID pin of battery connector. And use a 10K Thermistor placed on bottom of battery recession i a small hole drilled to the case plastics there, rather than a mere 12k resistor. You probably could recycle the one to be found in GTA01 battery ;-) Feb 02 19:28:51 hello. Feb 02 19:29:24 was there any documentation or mailing lists exchanges about how volume was fixed on SHR-U? Feb 02 19:29:27 does anyone know? Feb 02 19:31:05 Please hold for the next available operator. Feb 02 19:31:53 But in all seriousness, just wait, someone will pop up with the answer sooner or later Feb 02 19:33:02 ok, that's good. I was just testing the latest android-on-freerunner-RC. It's still struggling with call volume issues Feb 02 19:33:04 but it's really good otherwise Feb 02 19:34:06 I rather liked Android on my freerunner, but I decided to re-purpose my moko as a general-use geek-toy instead of a phone Feb 02 19:34:35 And I say "General use geek-toy" cause I havn't decided what all I will make it actualy do yet. :P Feb 02 19:35:07 this new android release is really wicked for a geek-toy Feb 02 19:35:10 it's android 2.0 Feb 02 19:35:23 and pretty much all the apps that are developed for android now work Feb 02 19:35:30 and the wifi intergration is seamless Feb 02 19:35:34 Heh Feb 02 19:35:39 Can it handle hidden networks now? Feb 02 19:35:55 and the browser is unrivaled Feb 02 19:36:05 I don't know. but there's lots of wifi software that works for it now Feb 02 19:36:07 3rd party Feb 02 19:36:37 Ah Feb 02 19:36:59 I'd like to get my hands on a proper android device sometime, like the google nexus. :3 Feb 02 19:58:47 hi Feb 02 20:00:03 problem: I've close the FR during the initial charge of the battery, thinking closing the gps app. Feb 02 20:00:27 after that the FR doesn't start anymore Feb 02 20:00:45 so I've removed the battery and booted again Feb 02 20:01:36 so do I fucked my battery? Feb 02 20:02:30 I precise that it was the first charge of the battery Feb 02 20:02:51 no - generally not. Feb 02 20:03:32 try just removing batery and usb - wait 5 min - put battery in, and connect USB. Now leave for several hours Feb 02 20:07:06 Is it important to wait 5 minutes? I didn't wait 5 minutes... Feb 02 20:07:53 it is probably not needed to wait 5 mins - >10 seconds certainly - and exactly where the breakpoint is ... Feb 02 21:11:29 ironically I had just now a power outage in my home... Feb 02 21:11:42 why is it ironic? Feb 02 21:12:36 so do I have to unplug the usb connexion, put out the battery and replace the battery again? Feb 02 21:13:31 because I've closed my FR and replaced the baterry to boot it again few minutes ago, during the initial charge of the battery Feb 02 21:13:42 damned Feb 02 21:14:31 I hope to already get a reasonable charge of the battery to use the FR more than 1h30 Feb 02 21:16:34 ah, initial charge Feb 02 21:16:49 plug it into a USB hub that's attached to a UPS Feb 02 21:17:07 or plug the wall wart into a UPS Feb 02 21:21:24 So I get my FR just today and I'm looking to put a good microSD card inside Feb 02 21:21:51 16 go should be ok Feb 02 21:22:02 I've got a 16G card in mine Feb 02 21:22:15 which one? Feb 02 21:22:27 dunno, let me check Feb 02 21:22:39 kingson? Feb 02 21:23:28 I want to say it's a sandisk, but I'll know for sure in a second Feb 02 21:23:32 its powering down now Feb 02 21:24:26 yep, sandisk, micro sdhc Feb 02 21:24:48 and which OS are you using on your FR? Feb 02 21:25:45 shr Feb 02 21:25:50 an old shr-testing Feb 02 21:26:05 september of 09 I think Feb 02 21:26:16 Can you use debian packages on shr? Feb 02 21:26:24 nope Feb 02 21:26:30 but you can put debian on your fr Feb 02 21:26:56 and can you phone with the debian OS? Feb 02 21:27:11 I believe so Feb 02 21:27:37 well, the answer is "yes you can" Feb 02 21:27:52 but I'm sure you're asking about available packages that make it work like a regular cell phone no? Feb 02 21:27:54 maybe that's possible to install .deb packages by converting them in .ipk Feb 02 21:28:06 yes Feb 02 21:28:11 some packages might work Feb 02 21:28:16 but many will have dependency issues Feb 02 21:28:56 SHR is fine for phone use Feb 02 21:29:09 ok I sould get a try Feb 02 21:29:29 but since I'm no longer using it as a primary phone, I'll be putting debian on it for media playing and GPS in the car Feb 02 21:29:33 how many are we using the FR in the world? Feb 02 21:29:38 20000? Feb 02 21:29:45 dunno Feb 02 21:29:50 one of the OM guys would better know that Feb 02 21:30:13 there's a bunch out there Feb 02 21:47:39 the original keyboard of openmoko2008 is really shitty Feb 02 21:47:50 impossible to write something Feb 02 21:48:17 does SHR has a better keyboard? Feb 02 21:48:51 I dont recall what the 08 kb looked like Feb 02 21:48:58 I like the terminal kb in shr Feb 02 21:49:04 but I use a stylus Feb 02 21:49:12 my fingers are too large for any of them without Feb 02 21:50:03 I think the problem for me comes with the autofill text Feb 02 21:50:09 oh Feb 02 21:50:12 yeah fuck that noise Feb 02 21:50:20 I disable predictive text on every device I own Feb 02 21:50:23 cant stand it Feb 02 21:50:31 and no way to disable it Feb 02 21:58:07 yes I think this little machine have a great potential Feb 02 21:58:55 400 MHz is not soo bad Feb 02 21:59:08 eh, not for a phone Feb 02 21:59:25 but when it's treated like a laptop it can become slow and annoying Feb 02 22:00:39 that would be great if some devs could port puredata on FR! Feb 02 22:15:41 mickeyl: rgauthier on identi.ca asks if people can buy the wikireader @fosdem Feb 02 22:16:47 pieterc: i would be surprised Feb 02 22:16:53 there's no one from Openmoko there Feb 02 22:17:01 or at least i don't know about that Feb 02 22:19:46 mickeyl: that's what I thought Feb 02 22:19:53 I invited Sean though Feb 02 22:20:11 but he had a important meeting somewhere else Feb 02 22:21:12 quote: I really appreciate the offer but I will be on a business trip to the States now for a very important meeting about our WikiReader. Please let me know how things go and I'll do my best to make it next year. Feb 02 22:22:14 hello Feb 02 22:24:20 hi Feb 02 22:25:13 heh Feb 02 22:25:16 sounds nice Feb 02 22:33:24 it'd better be important :D Feb 02 22:40:16 well Feb 02 22:40:27 i'm not sure whether the typical FOSDEM audience would give Sean a warm welcome... Feb 02 22:41:18 why's that? Feb 02 22:52:14 i think most of the people don't appreciate killing the phone and coming out with a wikireader instead Feb 02 22:53:58 * ndnihil certainly doesnt Feb 02 22:54:08 I can read wiki on the phone Feb 02 22:55:34 Sean had a lot of vision. Feb 02 22:55:43 (s) Feb 02 23:35:06 I understand his decision though Feb 02 23:35:28 in the end he does releases another hardware device that's open as well Feb 02 23:35:45 and we can still develop everything we had in the first place Feb 02 23:35:58 You won't see me cry ;-) Feb 03 01:59:00 wikireader is *not* open for all I know. There's no hw documentation. No schematics. And the "OS" isn't exactly inviting devels to do own development. Let alone this device is so cut down to the bare bones you hardly find any usecase you actually can implement on it. Feb 03 01:59:49 it's useless either way Feb 03 02:00:15 eben for SpeedEvil's microwave oven ;-P Feb 03 02:00:21 even even Feb 03 02:02:13 maybe you could implement something similar to casio's electronic "PDA" gadgets I bought one 10 years ago for 80 deutschmarks Feb 03 02:02:48 or you could go to the corner store and get one for $10 US, and it'll be smaller, and the battery will last longer Feb 03 02:03:51 nah, the battery should be quite fine - if they didn't mess up our initial design completely and beyond all recognition Feb 03 02:03:56 or you could just use your phone, like every other person on the planet these days :) Feb 03 02:04:11 sure Feb 03 02:05:13 your phone usually even could remind you just in time for dates Feb 03 02:05:21 wiireader won't Feb 03 02:05:27 yup, even my basic flip does that Feb 03 02:05:32 no actuators at all Feb 03 02:05:40 heck, the past several generations of basic phones do that Feb 03 02:05:59 let alone the missing RTC Feb 03 02:06:44 now I got it: etch'a'sketch Feb 03 02:07:10 or whatever those waxpaper things are called Feb 03 02:07:14 heheh Feb 03 02:08:33 * ndnihil is having some major wifi issues at the moment Feb 03 02:08:44 stupid robot keeps dropping connections Feb 03 02:09:10 robot?? o.O Feb 03 02:09:31 yeah Feb 03 02:09:35 spykee from meccano Feb 03 02:09:44 arm, runs the leenooks Feb 03 02:10:01 hrhrrr Feb 03 02:10:39 default software is windows only though Feb 03 02:10:54 so I've been writing stuff to use it on a linux workstation Feb 03 02:11:20 nothing fancy mind you Feb 03 02:11:28 perl/perl+gtk Feb 03 02:11:36 er, not gtk Feb 03 02:11:38 just tk Feb 03 02:12:26 hrm, I think my usb wifi dongle is overheating Feb 03 02:12:52 tzz that's crap Feb 03 02:12:55 seems to work better when I cool it off with some of that compressed air "dust off" with the can turned upside down Feb 03 02:13:16 use icespray Feb 03 02:13:36 use decent wifi dongle ;-P Feb 03 02:14:09 yeah, going to the store tomorrow to get one that doesnt suck Feb 03 02:16:11 maybe switching TX power down from 100mW to 10mW might help Feb 03 02:16:34 might, but then I'd lose this awesome 10ft range Feb 03 02:16:55 10ft range? *incredible* Feb 03 02:17:20 I think the antenna on the robot itself needs a proper upgrade Feb 03 02:17:37 it probably wasn't designed for environments that are this noisy Feb 03 02:20:44 for a noisy environment a better antenna won't change much - for reception Feb 03 02:21:08 a higher TX gain can help a lot though Feb 03 02:21:24 it's 802.11, bidirectional Feb 03 02:21:37 better antennas always help Feb 03 02:22:57 the current antenna in there is just etched into one of the daughterboards Feb 03 02:24:14 it does have rp-sma on the board though Feb 03 02:24:19 so upgrading it should be easy Feb 03 02:26:04 er, not rp-sma, the smaller one **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Feb 03 02:59:56 2010