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Feb 05 06:00:18 <slaxxer> neo theme wont install
Feb 05 09:11:28 <djp_> anyone test the latest shr-unstable release yet? does it fix the network issues of the past couple of releases?
Feb 05 09:14:10 <JaMa|Gone> djp_: define network issues
Feb 05 09:14:51 <JaMa|Gone> gsm works more reliable for me with http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=49742ce6ddca78ad8bc05dfd722c4ba2e017fadb
Feb 05 09:15:05 <JaMa|Gone> which is built in latest release as well as in feeds ofc
Feb 05 09:15:31 <djp_> JaMa|Gone: yes, it was making an outgoing call, no sound, just silence and also a little unstable at connecting to my gsm network...
Feb 05 09:15:52 <JaMa|Gone> sound was fixed one commit later..
Feb 05 09:16:14 <JaMa|Gone> also in release
Feb 05 09:21:18 <djp_> JaMa|Gone: ah, great... ok, may give it a go today then. thanks.
Feb 05 10:34:45 <rhaeder> got a stalled CPU here, no way to put it back alive :(
Feb 05 10:38:11 <rhaeder> INFO: RCU detected CPU 0 stalled (t=4294921872/xxxx jiffies)
Feb 05 10:39:58 <rhaeder> it is booting now, but why does this come? why do I need to wait for it let happen 3 times? :(
Feb 05 10:40:08 <rhaeder> I have openmoko-paroli image here
Feb 05 10:40:47 <JaMa|Gone> openmoko-paroli is something new?
Feb 05 10:41:00 <JaMa|Gone> seen that tacheless branch is a bit alive..
Feb 05 10:43:15 <rhaeder> SHR is garbage :(
Feb 05 10:43:24 <rhaeder> and androit is spyware ;)
Feb 05 10:43:34 <rhaeder> android
Feb 05 10:44:01 <JaMa|Gone> hmm
Feb 05 10:44:57 <rhaeder> SHR is running very unstable on  my FR
Feb 05 10:45:16 <rhaeder> but paroli works, when slow, but it works
Feb 05 10:52:00 <djp_> JaMa|Gone: shr-unstable latest release seems to be a-ok at present :) gsm network found and making calls without sound issue. thanks for the heads-up.
Feb 05 11:33:17 <pooze> build.shr-project.org down?
Feb 05 11:33:33 <JaMa|Gone> pooze: yes
Feb 05 11:33:33 <Heinervdm> yes
Feb 05 11:33:41 <pooze> hmm.. :-/
Feb 05 11:34:01 <JaMa|Gone> rhaeder said its garbage.. so someone probably removed it from face of internet...
Feb 05 11:34:04 <JaMa|Gone> :)
Feb 05 11:34:06 <pooze> haha
Feb 05 11:34:38 <rhaeder> ;)
Feb 05 11:34:41 <pooze> hope it gets back online within the next couple of hours, so I can have a working phone this weekend.
Feb 05 11:35:11 <rhaeder> it doesn't become stable after all :/
Feb 05 11:35:24 <rhaeder> but once you got it stabilized I think I switch again :)
Feb 05 11:35:31 * JaMa|Gone doesn't have any contact inside bearstech
Feb 05 11:35:45 <pooze> I would like to test my luck on testing image.
Feb 05 11:35:56 <pooze> as I don't have any sound over GSM with the latest unstable update.
Feb 05 11:36:13 <JaMa|Gone> pooze: what is latest?
Feb 05 11:36:26 <JaMa|Gone> pooze: fixes were build yesterday night
Feb 05 11:36:31 <JaMa|Gone> pooze: about 12 hours ago..
Feb 05 11:36:41 <pooze> JaMa|Gone: uhm, ah, ok.. great, then I don't have the latest anymore.
Feb 05 11:36:52 <pooze> just have to wait for the build-server to come up to fetch the updates then. :)
Feb 05 11:37:32 <JaMa|Gone> pooze: yes and don't forget to reboot after that
Feb 05 11:37:55 <pooze> JaMa: ok, thanks for the tip.
Feb 05 13:53:17 <beniwtv> Hi all... I have a Freerunner that appears to have a broken vibrator motor :( In short, if I want it to vibrate I have to "shake" it before the motor starts vibrating. (I tried manually adjusting sysfs paths, but it's the same). First I thought SHR did not vibrate yet, but I obviously was wrong :). So my question: Is is feasible to repair/replace it? Or should I just forget about it?
Feb 05 13:54:05 <Weiss> beniwtv: totally feasible.. it's quite easy to access IIRC
Feb 05 13:54:28 <beniwtv> Weiss: Cool, any PDF that shows it's location?
Feb 05 13:54:57 <Weiss> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo1973
Feb 05 13:55:13 <Weiss> scroll down to where it says "Empty case frame".. you can see it in the picture
Feb 05 13:55:27 <Weiss> (that's a Neo1973, but the FR is pretty much the same)
Feb 05 13:56:36 <PaulFertser> beniwtv: it's likely you need to clean the contacts and it will start working.
Feb 05 13:56:47 <Weiss> other people in here can give better advice than me about hardware poking, but I'd imagine you can clean the contacts or something (maybe they're not pressing against the PCB properly), and if that doesn't help, you could take it out and replace it
Feb 05 13:56:52 <beniwtv> Weiss: Got it. Thanks! That's why I didn't find it, I was seaching for Freerunner only :p
Feb 05 13:57:19 <beniwtv> PaulFertser: Yeah, could be. Will try that tonight
Feb 05 13:59:10 <beniwtv> Weiss: Actually, that would make sense... either they're need cleaning or they're not always pressing against the PCB so when I "shake" it makes / removes contact
Feb 05 14:00:05 <Weiss> yeah
Feb 05 14:00:11 <Weiss> (other people in here == PaulFertser btw :)
Feb 05 14:00:20 <beniwtv> hehe :)
Feb 05 14:00:55 * Weiss is a "softie"
Feb 05 14:04:37 <alabd> hello , how to check sms storage space ? does it use NAND in default ?
Feb 05 14:05:09 <ndnihil> df -h
Feb 05 14:07:32 <alabd> ndnihil:  thanks  nand is not full but shr gives message that storage is full ?
Feb 05 14:08:18 <Weiss> SMSes are still stored on the SIM I think (maybe that's changed recently - I don't know). you can check in Settings->Phone, although it doesn't seem accurate on mine
Feb 05 14:09:54 <PaulFertser> It depends on how you configure opimd.
Feb 05 14:13:32 <tsaitgaist> I'm looking for more info about the TI proprietary AT commands (for the calypso gsm chip), especially AT%EM. 2,7 (Power Parameters), do they describe the phone capabilities or the one from the cell ?
Feb 05 14:14:05 <tsaitgaist> and does somebody know the fields of AT%EM=2,6 ?
Feb 05 14:15:24 <PaulFertser> tsaitgaist: mickey|office should know
Feb 05 14:18:30 <tsaitgaist> PaulFertser : i'll try to PM him
Feb 05 14:18:45 <SpeedEvil> tsaitgaist: are you in the uk/
Feb 05 14:19:12 <tsaitgaist> de
Feb 05 14:19:26 <tsaitgaist> (germany)
Feb 05 14:19:37 <SpeedEvil> ah - I was just going to comment that in the UK there is a db with the powers
Feb 05 14:21:07 <tsaitgaist> SpeedEvil : ??? a database with all info ?
Feb 05 14:22:25 <SpeedEvil> the information about power transmission from each cell-site.
Feb 05 14:23:07 <alabd> yes in setting 15 number of 15 is used for sms
Feb 05 14:23:28 <alabd> how to change 15 and they are stored on SIM or NAND ? 
Feb 05 14:56:21 <Fox_Muldr> is latest kernel with full gta02 support still andy-tracking 2.6.29 or is there a newer one? i ask because andy-tracking wasn't updated very often in the last months.
Feb 05 15:05:17 <stongo> was the feb 4 shr-u really unstable for anyone else?
Feb 05 15:21:33 <DocScrutinizer51> hmpff, beniwtv gone.
Feb 05 15:24:57 <DocScrutinizer51> borked motors may have 'dead' positions (the contact from brush to collector fails in a certain position of motor axis). This leads to the effect of shaking the device moves the axis out of that pos and motor starts to run
Feb 05 15:25:50 <DocScrutinizer51> tsaitgaist: you've noticed the gsm_modem page on wiki about %EM ?
Feb 05 15:28:16 <tsaitgaist> DocScrutinizer51: yes. But 2,6 is not documented (and I'm very interested) and it's not mentioned if 2,7 is about the phone or the cell (if you mean https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA01_gsm_modem)
Feb 05 15:33:13 <DocScrutinizer51> hmm I see
Feb 05 15:34:17 <DocScrutinizer51> well it should be easy to tell. Modem's capabilities rarely ever change ;-)
Feb 05 15:34:26 <Fox_Muldr> i upgraded today shr-u after a few weeks and now i got 10 little buttons fields (8 empty) at the bottom where before were 3 with contacts, dialer and something else. can i change the number and how do i set what programs are in which button field?
Feb 05 15:35:38 <DocScrutinizer51> its borked
Feb 05 15:37:25 <DocScrutinizer51> tsaitgaist: you might be interested to follow that link about TA in that wikipage, to study my mail about gsm based positioning
Feb 05 15:38:00 <Fox_Muldr> ok, good to know
Feb 05 15:39:35 <tsaitgaist> DocScrutinizer51: where exactly ?
Feb 05 15:39:52 <DocScrutinizer51> tsaitgaist: moment üplease
Feb 05 15:44:14 <DocScrutinizer> tsaitgaist: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.html
Feb 05 15:50:03 <slaxxer> one box is a screen calib tool
Feb 05 15:51:06 <tsaitgaist> DocScrutinizer : the last field is the position of the cell (which o2 is providing ?) and the TA would be the distance from it ?
Feb 05 15:57:21 <DocScrutinizer> tsaitgaist: yep
Feb 05 16:00:13 <djp_> Fox_Muldr: change the theme and the borked 10 boxes disappear
Feb 05 16:10:10 <alabd> hello , how to know where SMS's are saved ? and how to change it on shr-t
Feb 05 16:10:45 <ndnihil> deja vu?
Feb 05 16:10:49 <DocScrutinizer> settings-domains
Feb 05 16:12:09 <DocScrutinizer> set default to the backend where you want SMS to be stored
Feb 05 16:15:16 <mickey|office> tsaitgaist: http://www.echic.cn/tu/2008118161929.pdf
Feb 05 16:15:25 <mickey|office> can't say more than what's in this PDF
Feb 05 16:23:58 <Gabrys> hi, is mic-gain bug present when using external bluetooth headset?
Feb 05 16:25:41 <ezekiel> as opposed to an _internal_ bluetooth headset?
Feb 05 16:25:43 <ezekiel> :)
Feb 05 16:25:50 <Gabrys> nope
Feb 05 16:26:11 <Gabrys> as opposed to external _plugged-to-jack_ headset
Feb 05 16:38:24 <DocScrutinizer> what is 'mic-gain bug'?
Feb 05 16:39:46 <Undrwater> does external mic actually work?
Feb 05 16:39:58 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Feb 05 16:40:10 <Undrwater> DocScrutinizer: what distro?
Feb 05 16:40:15 <DocScrutinizer> but it catches buzz like shit the flies
Feb 05 16:41:19 <DocScrutinizer> mic hw isn't distro dependent
Feb 05 16:41:58 <DocScrutinizer> alsactl -f ./gsmheadset.state restore should be all you need
Feb 05 16:42:18 <DocScrutinizer> flor phonecall with real bad buzz
Feb 05 16:43:20 <DocScrutinizer> anyway I wonder what "mic-gain bug" might be
Feb 05 16:48:29 <alabd> DocScrutinizer thanks where is settings-domains 
Feb 05 16:49:13 <alabd> DocScrutinizer has been found it is in setting > others
Feb 05 16:49:22 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Feb 05 16:50:36 <alabd> DocScrutinizer which one SIM or sqlite ?
Feb 05 16:52:13 <DocScrutinizer> default defines where to store
Feb 05 16:52:26 <Gabrys> DocScrutinizer I mean the hw bug with mic
Feb 05 16:52:43 <DocScrutinizer> please elaborate
Feb 05 16:53:05 <DocScrutinizer> HW-EE here. No bug with mic known
Feb 05 16:55:51 <tsaitgaist> mickey|office : thanks
Feb 05 16:57:29 <DocScrutinizer> tsaitgaist: If you need special detail info, I could try to find that for you. Anyway 2.7 should be possible to RE from a number of readings with differing BTS
Feb 05 16:57:53 <DocScrutinizer> Also this info isn't particularly usefull
Feb 05 17:00:54 <tsaitgaist> DocScrutinizer : i'm trying some cell, will reads the pdf mickey pointed, and see in ts07.07 for specific AT commands
Feb 05 17:00:58 <DocScrutinizer> tsaitgaist: to me it seems 2.7 is all about MTS capabilities
Feb 05 17:02:01 <tsaitgaist> my purpose it try see which encryption the cell offers, and which one is used for signal/data
Feb 05 17:02:47 <tsaitgaist> MTS -> BTS ?
Feb 05 17:03:26 <Fox_Muldr> djp_: thanks, theme change helped
Feb 05 17:09:38 <DocScrutinizer> mickey|zzZZzz: Isn't Encryption used available via 07.07 standard AT cmd?
Feb 05 17:11:08 <DocScrutinizer> tsaitgaist: I guess a BTS should always support all A5/x enc. 2.7 is about what Mobile signals to BTS about it's own capabilities - it seems to me at least
Feb 05 17:14:12 <DocScrutinizer> tsaitgaist: I never looked into these obscure details of GSM spec. But I'd think Mobile signals what encrypts it's capable of, and Base decides which to use
Feb 05 17:14:27 <tsaitgaist> DocScrutinizer : in europe a5/2 is deprecated (and very rare), mainly a5/1 is used (for GSM). in eastern countries a5/1 is forbidden, only a5/2 is allowed
Feb 05 17:14:42 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Feb 05 17:14:45 <tsaitgaist> in india, data in unencrypted(a5/0)
Feb 05 17:15:11 <tsaitgaist> only authentication is encrypted
Feb 05 17:15:31 <DocScrutinizer> I'd think blindcoder should know better detail
Feb 05 17:17:11 <tsaitgaist> DocScrutinizer : I guess it should be in ts07.07. I'll have a look (I just avoid the awful GSM spec)
Feb 05 17:17:41 <DocScrutinizer> once I noticed a inverted (w on b) "!" in the display of my 6210 here in D. When I checked monitor mode it seemed it was A5/0. Maybe imsi catcher or sth
Feb 05 17:19:30 <tsaitgaist> only the old sim card allows the ME to tell if the channel is really encrypted. nowadays this indication is overriden
Feb 05 17:19:31 <DocScrutinizer> must have been 2001
Feb 05 17:19:49 <DocScrutinizer> duh
Feb 05 17:20:11 <DocScrutinizer> didn't know that. Also I wonder how SIM comes in there
Feb 05 17:20:46 <tsaitgaist> the sim also has it's role in choosing the encryption
Feb 05 17:20:51 <tsaitgaist> *its
Feb 05 17:21:07 <DocScrutinizer> yay
Feb 05 17:21:14 <DocScrutinizer> freaking GSM
Feb 05 17:22:21 <DocScrutinizer> but yes, the SIM is from 1998 roundabout
Feb 05 17:22:38 <tsaitgaist> when it's about money, it's always scary
Feb 05 17:23:36 <DocScrutinizer> (1998) so I still hope one day I'll get around to clone it
Feb 05 17:40:48 <alabd> DocScrutinizer default is sqlite , it means sms's are stored on nand ?
Feb 05 17:41:11 <DocScrutinizer> alabd: aiui yes
Feb 05 17:41:25 <DocScrutinizer> ask dos1 about details
Feb 05 17:41:29 <DocScrutinizer> or TAsn 
Feb 05 17:42:07 <alabd> TAsn:  dos1 hi how to know where SMS's are saved ? and how to change it on shr-t
Feb 05 17:47:46 <dos1> alabd: in shr-settings->others->Messages you can select default backend for sms
Feb 05 17:48:06 <alabd> dos1:  you mean SIM or sqlite ?
Feb 05 17:48:20 <dos1> alabd: both ;p
Feb 05 17:48:35 <alabd> that is sqlite but it's number limit is 15 how to change it 
Feb 05 17:48:48 <dos1> you can set SIM as default, or SQLite
Feb 05 17:48:57 <dos1> alabd: hmm? there is no limit in sqlite backend
Feb 05 17:49:43 <Gabrys> hi dos1, can I safely upgrade my SHR unstable, or is there some serious hacking doing around?
Feb 05 17:50:07 <alabd> dos1: yes but in setting > phone message book is set to 15
Feb 05 17:50:11 <dos1> Gabrys: dunno, i didn't upgrade for some time
Feb 05 17:50:21 <dos1> alabd: look at module title ;p
Feb 05 17:50:27 <dos1> alabd: (hint: it's about SIM card)
Feb 05 17:50:36 <soltys> alabd: that setting is always saying SIM msg book;)
Feb 05 17:52:48 <alabd> soltys: dos1  sqlite is set to default , but despite nand is not full shr-t give message that storage is full 
Feb 05 17:53:48 <dos1> alabd: so probably just some messages are stored on SIM (there are different message classes, some are "designed to" be stored always on SIM; also, if there happens some error, message is stored to SIM instead of SQLite)
Feb 05 17:54:21 <alabd> dos1:  even sqlite is set to defult ?
Feb 05 17:55:05 <dos1> alabd: well, "even" (i think it's natural, when storing to default [SQLite] backend fails, then it's stored to sim ;p)
Feb 05 17:55:16 <TAsn> alabd, even worse, opimd sometimes accidentally (when it's heavily loaded) stores messages on sim :|
Feb 05 17:55:50 <alabd> dos1: why should it fail ?
Feb 05 17:56:15 <dos1> alabd: it shouldn't, but everything can happen ;p
Feb 05 17:56:54 <dos1> TAsn: it's calypso, not opimd (well, opimd fails to Ack message in timeout, due to load ;P)
Feb 05 17:57:36 <dos1> but i want to rework it somehow soon
Feb 05 17:57:55 <TAsn> dos1, cool :P
Feb 05 17:58:08 <alabd> dos1:  so any way to avoid that storage full msg ?
Feb 05 17:58:17 <TAsn> (And yeah, I know it's calypso that does the saving, and it's just opimd not removing it.
Feb 05 17:59:18 <alabd> dos1: and you mean all SMS's are not the same and some of them should be saved on sim ? which kind of them is so
Feb 05 18:01:31 <dos1> TAsn: no, that's not "opimd not removing it"
Feb 05 18:01:44 <dos1> TAsn: opimd never removes anything (unless asked with Delete dbus method ;P)
Feb 05 18:02:03 <TAsn> then?
Feb 05 18:02:45 <TAsn> I mean what happens when "it works"
Feb 05 18:02:45 <TAsn> ?
Feb 05 18:07:14 <dos1> TAsn: on boot, if default backend is different than SIM, opimd disables sim buffering of messages in ogsmd :P
Feb 05 18:07:36 <dos1> TAsn: so messages are not stored on SIM at all, they go directly to opimd
Feb 05 18:07:52 <TAsn> dos1, okie.
Feb 05 18:08:29 <dos1> TAsn: when IncomingMessage signal from ogsmd arrives (not IncomingStoredMessage, as it's without opimd!), opimd has to reply
Feb 05 18:08:36 <dos1> TAsn: with AckMessage or NackMessage method
Feb 05 18:08:49 <TAsn> ic
Feb 05 18:09:00 <dos1> TAsn: but when storing message to sqlite takes too long, opimd sends AckMessage after timeout of calypso has been reached
Feb 05 18:09:07 <dos1> TAsn: so calypso enabled sim buffering again
Feb 05 18:09:12 <dos1> s/enabled/enables/
Feb 05 18:09:13 <apt> dos1 meant: TAsn: so calypso enables sim buffering again
Feb 05 18:09:46 <dos1> and the worst thing is: ogsmd (so opimd too) is not informed about reaching timeout and enabling buffering
Feb 05 18:09:51 <dos1> it happens silently :(
Feb 05 18:22:20 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: I'd expect it throws error on sending late ACK though
Feb 05 18:23:01 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, ++
Feb 05 18:25:49 <DocScrutinizer> btw you weren't helpful to alabd (who exited meanwhile :-S ) on solving his problem of filled SIM spoiling SMS reception for him
Feb 05 22:35:13 <karrf> How can I install a local ipk-file with opkg
Feb 05 22:35:47 <karrf> ?
Feb 05 22:36:21 <mwester> opkg install ./path/to/filename.ipk
Feb 05 22:38:37 <karrf> hmm....
Feb 05 22:39:01 <karrf> Here's my input:
Feb 05 22:39:06 <karrf> root@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install /home/root/python-mime_2.6.2-ml4.1_armv4t.ipk
Feb 05 22:39:15 <karrf> Which results in:
Feb 05 22:39:27 <karrf> Installing python-mime (2.6.2-ml8.0.4) to root...
Feb 05 22:39:34 <karrf> Downloading http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk//armv4t/python-mime_2.6.2-ml8.0.4_armv4t.ipk
Feb 05 22:39:42 <karrf> Configuring python-mime
Feb 05 22:40:14 <karrf> There's a difference in the version numbers and it starts to download...
Feb 05 22:41:06 <karrf> Or... I think this would mean that's there's a difference: 2.6.2-ml4.1  <--- >  2.6.2-ml8.0.4
Feb 05 22:42:10 <mwester> It means that it decided, despite what you told it, to install the newer version.
Feb 05 22:43:14 <karrf> How do I force it to install the local version?
Feb 05 22:43:41 <mwester> I've just removed the feeds temporarily so that it can't find any newer ones.
Feb 05 22:45:51 <karrf> rgr I'm trying again
Feb 05 22:46:50 <karrf> nope same thing...
Feb 05 22:47:17 <karrf> wait
Feb 05 22:47:50 <karrf> nope same thing
Feb 05 22:51:24 <mwester> rename the feed config files, opkg update (to get rid of the local copy of the feeds' contents), then install, then put the config files back, and do an opkg update again to repopulate the local contents of the feeds.
Feb 05 22:51:54 <mwester> You'd think there was a better way to handle this, but opkg is indisputably the winner of the World's Worst Application Bar None.
Feb 05 22:53:07 <karrf> damn...
Feb 05 22:53:34 <karrf> So where do I find the feed config files?
Feb 05 22:55:29 <JaMa|Gone> karrf: /etc/opkg
Feb 05 22:56:17 <karrf> rgr
Feb 05 23:02:18 <karrf> yeah that worked... But it's not working for python-netclient (I'm trying to install Advanced Geocaching Tool for Linux)
Feb 05 23:14:03 <DocScrutinizer> mwester: yast had same problem :-P
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