**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 06 02:59:56 2010 Feb 06 03:31:14 if opkg is so bad why on earth was it chosen????,,, because somebody wanted to derail us??????? Feb 06 03:31:46 because apt is too resource intensive for the GTA hardware Feb 06 03:31:50 is my guess Feb 06 03:32:16 ftp://ftp.armedslack.org/armedslack/armedslack-devtools/minirootfs/roots/ Feb 06 04:02:09 ftp://ftp.armedslack.org/armedslack/armedslack-devtools/minirootfs/ Feb 06 04:34:16 http://www.slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=arm Feb 06 04:35:10 for those intrested Feb 06 05:05:41 cant set time on shr-u Feb 06 11:18:53 can someone tell me how to set or (preferably) disable the pin for bluetooth? :) Feb 06 11:24:21 Rakhun: yes Feb 06 11:24:37 Rakhun: there're two bluetooth agents in the test directory of bluez sources. Feb 06 11:25:04 Rakhun: one is python, one is in C. Python agent is easily modifiable, the C one probably has an option to specify a constant pin, look it up. Feb 06 11:25:34 hm :/ ok Feb 06 11:25:38 thanks Feb 06 11:26:27 Rakhun: what's wrong? Feb 06 11:27:36 trying to emulate openmoko on qemu it gives "qemu: could not open disk image openmoko-flash.image: No such file or directory" - the files does exists, is 256K and reports as "Qemu Image, Format: Qcow , Version: 2" - any ideas what's wrong? Feb 06 11:28:36 s/files does exists/file does exist/ Feb 06 11:28:37 jaacoppi meant: trying to emulate openmoko on qemu it gives "qemu: could not open disk image openmoko-flash.image: No such file or directory" - the file does exist, is 256K and reports as "Qemu Image, Format: Qcow , Version: 2" - any ideas what's wrong? Feb 06 11:28:53 PaulFertser: it just seems so cumbersome, I had hoped for something more like hciconfig hci0 pin off Feb 06 11:31:27 jaacoppi: usually nobody tries to emulate openmoko nowadays since it's useless. Feb 06 11:34:26 okay. I'm asking because I'd like to try some assembly hacking, my own primitive OS or something like that Feb 06 12:09:55 you can't disable pin for NT, aiui Feb 06 12:10:03 BT Feb 06 12:10:51 just set default '0000' Feb 06 12:12:49 at leasr winmoob has 0000 hardcoded, plus option for a user defined 2nd default Feb 06 12:12:56 iirc Feb 06 13:01:35 any of you know anything about touchscreens under xorg? Feb 06 13:03:36 ndnihil: they should work, autodetected with hal (on bleeding-edge systems hal got replaced by various other code). Feb 06 13:04:01 the other couple I've tried worked out of the box just fine Feb 06 13:04:08 but this one is being a huge pain in the ass Feb 06 13:04:15 panasonic CF-U1 Feb 06 13:05:05 you need a kernel module that supports that TS Feb 06 13:05:09 Oh, so probably it's not about xorg, rather about the kernel driver? Feb 06 13:05:31 I get data from the device if I cat /dev/usb/whateveritscalled Feb 06 13:05:49 but it's not playing nice with xorg Feb 06 13:05:54 but is the the right format? Feb 06 13:06:00 Heinervdm: good question Feb 06 13:06:44 one of the things I found interesting was: Feb 06 13:06:48 Gnutoo has rewritten the ts module for the htc-dream, so perhaps he knows sth about the format Feb 06 13:06:49 Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0430:0530 Sun Microsystems, Inc. Feb 06 13:07:01 ndnihil: you want to have a kernel level input event device. Feb 06 13:07:38 I aliased in udev, but it looks like the same thing the hid device was dumping Feb 06 13:08:06 nothing in /dev/input/ is attached to it Feb 06 13:09:02 google has returned absolutely nothing Feb 06 13:09:30 just people bitching about the graphics chipset and emperorlinux selling the device with linux preinstalled Feb 06 13:10:12 they (emperor) of course havent posted anything in regards to the matter Feb 06 13:16:42 ndnihil: is that some custom distro you're using? Feb 06 13:18:43 nope, debian stable Feb 06 13:19:06 it loaded just fine, no issues Feb 06 13:19:53 ndnihil: let me look up the info in a more recent kernel... Feb 06 13:20:03 thanks I appreciate it Feb 06 13:20:27 2.6.26 currently Feb 06 13:27:26 regarding Kroha has announced LTS for .32 and recommended users of older kernels to switch - .26 sounds a bit scary Feb 06 13:29:38 ndnihil: looks like there's no driver that lists your vid:pid :( i suspect the TS is in fact of some other vendor and all you need is to understand what that is. Feb 06 13:30:30 figures Feb 06 13:30:33 oh well, it was free Feb 06 13:30:43 ndnihil: i guess if you get any driver to work with it (including windows) and get some usb sniffing software, it'd not be that hard. Feb 06 13:31:08 I got it to respons using the generic 'mouse' driver and went through each and every protocol available Feb 06 13:31:14 but it was spastic Feb 06 13:31:22 s/respons/respond/ Feb 06 13:31:41 when in doubt, brute force it eh? Feb 06 13:31:42 :) Feb 06 13:31:49 ndnihil: it's not mouse, it's a touchscreen. The kernel has a dedicated driver for usb touchscreens. Feb 06 13:32:17 ndnihil: with 15 different tyes Feb 06 13:32:18 it doesnt respond at all with evtouch or hidtouch Feb 06 13:38:58 ~status Feb 06 13:38:59 Since Tue Feb 2 02:10:03 2010, there have been 46 modifications, 240 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 115 commands. I have been awake for 4d 11h 28m 55s this session, and currently reference 116809 factoids. I'm using about 21480 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 9676.94/310.4 child 0.37/0.12 Feb 06 13:39:59 ~snack Feb 06 13:40:00 * apt belches loudly. Oup, 'begpardon. Feb 06 13:40:10 silly bots Feb 06 13:41:43 [maemo] [2010-02-06 14:24:36] *** ChanServ setzt Modus: +v infobot Feb 06 13:41:52 * DocScrutinizer ??? o.O Feb 06 13:42:15 maybe a faq type script for the bot Feb 06 13:43:14 not the same one I tried Feb 06 13:43:40 you think wondering why chanserv sets +v to infobot some 10min ago is a sort of FAQ? Feb 06 13:43:56 oh, thought you were questioning the bot itself Feb 06 13:44:05 chanserv can be set to autovoice particular users Feb 06 13:44:10 and autoop Feb 06 13:44:21 I use that feature on the server I oper on Feb 06 13:44:54 nice. but that obviously means infobot joined maemo some 12min ago Feb 06 13:45:05 *shrug* Feb 06 13:45:18 perhaps someone manually told chanserv to voice it Feb 06 13:45:44 as I have suppressed join/quit msgs here, I was wondering if the infobot server had a reboot Feb 06 13:45:52 ah Feb 06 13:48:05 could've been netsplit Feb 06 13:48:57 didn't see one here Feb 06 13:50:41 nevermind Feb 06 13:50:54 ~botsnack Feb 06 13:50:55 aw, gee, DocScrutinizer Feb 06 13:51:49 Hello; I have a problem with audio mixer settings -- is it normal that (just flashed latest SHR) when I mute right channel, I can hear audio from both earplugs (although quiet), when I enable right channel audio from right is much louder? Feb 06 13:52:14 basically, looks like left signal goes to both right and left earplug and right only to right Feb 06 13:52:24 headphones should be OK, I just unpacked new set Feb 06 13:53:07 sounds like wiring mismatch Feb 06 13:53:19 DocScrutinizer: yes, but on the same hardware it used to work Feb 06 13:53:35 (and earplugs are openmoko original, so I doubt this could be the problem) Feb 06 13:53:56 same hw? didn't you unpack just a minute ago? Feb 06 13:54:03 ooh Feb 06 13:54:04 earplugs yes Feb 06 13:54:10 but freerunner is the same Feb 06 13:54:33 FR wiring is considered ok ;-P Feb 06 13:54:49 well... I used to have different earplugs, but those seems to not work anymore (I suspect they had shorted lines) Feb 06 13:54:59 so I'm a bit afraid of hardware damage Feb 06 13:55:05 make sure you settled the jack tightly Feb 06 13:55:50 well, I did... seems to be OK Feb 06 13:56:12 mmp: please tell exactly how do you connect your headphones to the FR Feb 06 13:56:49 PaulFertser: original FR headphones, not sure what you mean, I just plug them and leave all the framework running inside to load proper mixer settings Feb 06 13:57:43 mmp: ah, ok. Be sure after you plugged in the headset the amp switch (in alsamixer) is toggled. Feb 06 13:58:45 well... which one? Feb 06 13:58:47 or simply run alsactl restore -f stereoheadset Feb 06 13:58:54 speaker amp is disabled Feb 06 13:59:10 DocScrutinizer: there is either headset.state or stereoout.state Feb 06 13:59:23 headset Feb 06 13:59:53 I'd guess Feb 06 13:59:56 well.. that's the same state (both theoretically and empirically;-) as the state loaded when headset is plugged Feb 06 14:00:11 exactly Feb 06 14:00:29 that's why I say force loead it Feb 06 14:00:48 DocScrutinizer: already did, but it did not help Feb 06 14:01:41 no idea Feb 06 14:01:48 well... either is something pushing mono signal to both earplugs, or I really don't have idea either Feb 06 14:02:22 but I'm afraid it would be good to check the hardware Feb 06 14:02:49 maybe the older, shorted earplugs did some damage Feb 06 14:02:54 mmp: believe me, the FR hw is quite scrutinized and all flaws wellknown Feb 06 14:03:06 for audio at least Feb 06 14:03:14 DocScrutinizer: I'm saying my local damage :-( Feb 06 14:03:19 unfortunately Feb 06 14:03:29 I don't blame FR's hardware design Feb 06 14:03:39 but more my broken earplugs Feb 06 14:04:37 there were no older shorted headsets afaik. And thre's no way to do any damage done by any hypothetical short that I ever got to know of or could imagine Feb 06 14:05:33 DocScrutinizer: well.. that short might be caused by myself; just by using :) Feb 06 14:05:43 ok, but now I have one more idea of what could happen Feb 06 14:06:35 I had an audio rework done on my FR, so maybe something's broken there Feb 06 14:06:58 that's quite possible Feb 06 14:07:36 like some capacitor with broken soldering Feb 06 14:07:55 looks like I know whom to contact :) Feb 06 14:07:57 DocScrutinizer, PaulFertser: thank you a lot :-) Feb 06 14:08:12 yw Feb 06 14:10:46 mmp: audio rework? Feb 06 14:11:04 mmp: framework doesn't load an alternative state, it should be stereout with Amp switch toggled. Feb 06 14:12:48 PaulFertser: ack Feb 06 14:13:02 amp_mode, no? Feb 06 14:13:35 * DocScrutinizer frowns and considers a second coffee Feb 06 14:17:32 numid=94,name='Amp Spk Switch' Feb 06 14:17:59 Amp Mode probably is mere powerswitch Feb 06 14:19:13 It's written in the rules file of oeventsd anyway Feb 06 14:22:04 PaulFertser: amp spk is disabled, afaik... Feb 06 14:22:19 mmp: frameword toggles it whenever you plug in the headset. Feb 06 14:24:12 PaulFertser: yes, but it should disable it when headset is plugged, right? Feb 06 14:27:07 PaulFertser: btw, audio rework was changing the capacitors to not attenuate basses that much... Feb 06 14:28:02 PaulFertser: which btw is a quite botchy method to do this Feb 06 14:29:52 * DocScrutinizer wonders where the crosstalk to *both* channels comes from, when one audiorail is proken, and the other one muted Feb 06 14:30:05 broken, omg Feb 06 14:31:01 I got bluetooth file transfer working with pairing in emtooth :) Feb 06 14:31:13 mmp: it's interesting, how exactly have you performed a rework? Feb 06 14:31:31 PaulFertser: headset deserves a private dedicated statefile, in a sense of "that's my headset volume, that's my eq settings..." Feb 06 14:31:37 PaulFertser: my friend did, I'm not in EE field at all :-) Feb 06 14:31:42 DocScrutinizer: of course Feb 06 14:31:50 mmp: i wonder if he used "my" method or not :) Feb 06 14:32:04 PaulFertser: hmm... let me see :-) Feb 06 14:33:24 * DocScrutinizer wonders and wonders where the crosstalk to *both* channels comes from, when one audiorail is broken, and the other one muted Feb 06 14:34:12 DocScrutinizer: me too, but basically I have no idea what happens inside; maybe just something has shorted, due to thermal changes :-) Feb 06 14:36:09 see - if one chan has a loose contact, how on earth cna the signal skip to not only this chan output, but also to the other "good" chan - while signal of good chan can *not* jump to the broken one Feb 06 14:38:04 well... as I said, no idea; but having spent time debugging another project which in the end had a hardware problem, I believe anything can happen Feb 06 14:38:20 well maybe I'm thinking too much in terms of ideal components. Muting simply might not be ideal Feb 06 14:39:38 and the beoken chan shorted to ground - maybe can metal or sth Feb 06 14:40:23 mmp: do you have access to a decent DVM? Feb 06 14:40:31 possibly :-) I'm into debugging software, not hardware; but having audio signal on the GND sounds like a possible reason Feb 06 14:40:34 or any DVM? Feb 06 14:40:41 depends on what you mean by DVM Feb 06 14:40:46 digital volt meter? :) Feb 06 14:40:54 digital voltmeter Feb 06 14:41:02 I think I have one Feb 06 14:41:24 ... in my hand now Feb 06 14:41:34 could you test the resistence of broken audio out pin to GND please? Feb 06 14:41:45 hmm.. let me see Feb 06 14:41:51 + on audio pin, - on GND Feb 06 14:41:52 (never disassembler FR before Feb 06 14:41:55 ) Feb 06 14:42:21 you just need a 2.5mm plug with wires cut off Feb 06 14:42:58 well, plenty of them im my under my bed :-P Feb 06 14:43:13 hehe Feb 06 14:43:17 I see Feb 06 14:43:28 but maybe one person could have some... Feb 06 14:44:18 if you have a 2.5->3.5mm adapter you possibly can open one side to touch the solderpoints Feb 06 14:44:39 well, neither that one Feb 06 14:44:49 not mentioning, I'm screwed, literally Feb 06 14:45:01 my torx screwdriver is 200km away from me :-) Feb 06 14:45:07 lol Feb 06 14:45:11 nevermind then Feb 06 14:46:08 just a dead simple test: slowly retract the plug, and listen if audio jumps from one chan to the other Feb 06 14:47:30 let me boot it again Feb 06 14:52:53 (DocScrunitizer: you are talking to a man studying teoretical computer science; an old joke tells that we are denied to use any EE equipment, because of the immitent danger of death these purely practical tools can have in our hands:-) Feb 06 14:54:17 * DocScrutinizer hides scared Feb 06 14:58:21 ok, slowly plugging out the earplugs (from FR, of course): (left quiet, right loud) -> (distorted sound, right earplug significantly louder) -> (really quiet signal in left earplug) -> (left quiet, right loud) -> (speaker starts playing) Feb 06 15:02:14 hmmm Feb 06 15:02:16 DocScrutinizer: have you ever seen CS student with a soldering iron in his (or even her hands?) :-) Feb 06 15:02:29 Feb 06 15:02:50 I think I managed to never see any CS student ;-P Feb 06 15:03:47 * DocScrutinizer runs for an emergency first aid coffee Feb 06 15:17:44 mmp: you speaker/sounder output hasn't changed in quality or volume coincidentally with the breakage of left headphone channel? Feb 06 15:18:12 not, sure, I haven't used the speaker at all Feb 06 15:19:18 sounds... normally Feb 06 15:19:58 hmm, I recommend you visit your friend who did the audio mod Feb 06 15:21:29 tell him it seems to me like there's a short effectively making R4117 a 0R Feb 06 15:22:33 possibly one of the wires used for connecting the big audio Cs has a contact to GND Feb 06 15:53:46 DocScrutinizer: ok, will do :-) thank you Feb 06 16:54:43 ooh, touchscreen vs. tablet mode in bios Feb 06 16:54:51 * ndnihil hops Feb 06 16:54:53 hopes Feb 06 16:55:56 WOOT~ Feb 06 16:55:57 ! Feb 06 16:56:32 it needs calibration, but it's not epileptic now Feb 06 17:12:47 ndnihil: what was the right setting? Were vid/pid changed? Feb 06 17:15:43 0430:0501 now Feb 06 17:15:52 fujitsu chipset Feb 06 17:16:50 still labeled Sun, but it's Fujitsu Feb 06 18:04:40 hi Feb 06 18:29:15 hello Feb 06 18:29:40 I cannot boot anymore from the nor Feb 06 18:29:54 No more boot menus Feb 06 18:29:57 only: Feb 06 18:30:00 INFO: RCU detected CPU 0 stall Feb 06 18:30:06 bla bla Feb 06 18:30:35 I have no micro sd card Feb 06 18:31:11 Is there any tricks with the debug board to repair my FR? Feb 06 18:33:14 wait a minute.... Feb 06 18:33:30 I have my boot menus now Feb 06 18:48:05 o.O Feb 06 19:30:13 cosmos: sounds like you just needed to switch it off for a little while to think about how naughty it's been Feb 06 19:32:14 lol Feb 06 19:35:13 (this is an established debugging technique in IT) Feb 06 20:56:09 ok how to erase a kernel on FR, just flshing it? Feb 06 20:56:19 *flashing Feb 06 20:57:49 cosmos: yes Feb 06 20:58:12 ok Feb 06 21:00:12 same for the rootfs isn't it? Feb 06 21:01:07 cosmos: sure. If you flash using u-boot. Feb 06 21:01:21 cosmos: if you use nandwrite, you _must_ flasherase_all first! Feb 06 21:04:08 using u-boot I have a "End of write exeeds partition end" Feb 06 21:04:36 error -60 during downloading Feb 06 21:05:30 so should I start installing the uImage and then the rootfs? Feb 06 21:05:51 I do not know how to use nandwrite Feb 06 21:06:53 cosmos: probably you use wrong nand partition with dfu-util Feb 06 21:07:10 cosmos: the order of flashing doesn't matter Feb 06 21:07:32 maybe...how to resolve that? Feb 06 21:09:48 I'm just trying to install Qtmoko v19 avfer a try on SHR Feb 06 21:09:58 *after Feb 06 21:10:43 cosmos: use correct partition? Feb 06 21:11:06 no idea Feb 06 21:11:21 cosmos: it is a suggestion, not a question. Feb 06 21:12:46 cosmos: hi, use something like this: Feb 06 21:12:50 dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a kernel -R -D uImage-v19-nodebug.bin Feb 06 21:12:51 dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a rootfs -R -D qtmoko-debian-v19.jffs2 Feb 06 21:15:28 yes, step 1 ok, step 2 downloading Feb 06 21:16:36 after that all trace of the old distribution will be erased and I'll get some free space on the fresh qtmoko install? Feb 06 21:42:19 cosmos: yes Feb 06 21:45:06 nice job radek, thanks to you and to your team! Feb 06 22:41:49 is it normal to find 2 Root branches ("Root <2>") with file manager Feb 06 22:41:52 ? Feb 06 22:53:20 errr what? Feb 06 23:12:49 maybe u have 2 partitions on your card an linux is installed on both Feb 06 23:13:21 what size are the partitions on the card? Feb 06 23:58:27 slaaxer: I actually have no cards Feb 07 00:02:03 but several howers ago I've put in the FR a microSD card (Integral 16 gb class 2) and I had kernel panics on boot. Then I put it out. Feb 07 00:02:45 maybe a messy bootloader flash I've done Feb 07 00:07:36 And if I type "reboot" on terminal I get: Feb 07 00:11:54 "Unknown boot option 'g_ether_host_addr..." Feb 07 00:12:04 maybe the usb connection Feb 07 00:12:06 and Feb 07 00:12:08 : Feb 07 00:12:34 info: rcu detected cpu stall... Feb 07 00:12:52 after that, boot is ok Feb 07 00:58:26 who have try the Integral micro sd card on the FR? Feb 07 01:57:45 never heard of "integral" **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Feb 07 02:59:58 2010