**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 04 02:59:58 2010 Mar 04 04:10:13 about time for someone to clean up the apps at opkg.org so they all work with shr Mar 04 04:20:49 about time to get another nap, or a cup of coffee Mar 04 05:00:22 hello world! anybody using Android Cupcake on their FR? Mar 04 05:07:29 I bet there are Mar 04 05:07:33 a few Mar 04 05:09:19 I have been with SHR, but curious about using Android as a regular-use phone Mar 04 05:10:31 still uding uBoot though-- is the switch to Qi difficult? I read that it was hard to flash back to uBoot Mar 04 05:15:42 I'm mostly wondering how the Android-to-SHR switch would be when I want o try newer SHR (inc. imported SIM contacts, etc) Mar 04 05:16:21 or are many people using SHR with Qi? Mar 04 05:21:30 *sigh* I guess I don't need anecdotes, might as well jump in and try in... Mar 04 05:22:33 I use SHR with Qi, if that helps. Mar 04 05:24:56 mee too Mar 04 05:25:29 Works great. Mar 04 05:25:39 probably a lot of FR users do (though I regularly fail to understand the rationale behind that. As in "even android should boot from proven-good uBoot, if only configure correctly) Mar 04 05:25:40 Better than uBoot :) Mar 04 05:26:14 rozzin: uhuh? WHAT's better exactly? Mar 04 05:26:39 but android installs a unique qi so when u switch back to shr afterwards u prolly need to reinstall qi Mar 04 05:26:45 the 4 sec boot speedup? or the missing bootmenu and flashing support? Mar 04 05:27:58 WTF??!!!?? even a *proprietary* Qi? Mar 04 05:28:03 ~lart android Mar 04 05:28:03 * apt whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that android is stuck to the floor Mar 04 05:28:57 or more like Mar 04 05:29:01 ~lart android devels Mar 04 05:29:01 * apt does a little 'renice 20 -u android devels' Mar 04 05:29:59 It's less fiddly to load images and set kernel arguments with Qi than with uBoot. Mar 04 05:30:50 slaxxer: Yow. Hadn't heard that. Can't say I'm surprised by it, though :\ Mar 04 05:32:03 yeah, I liked being able to install multiple OS on diff partitions. Also makes it easier to share data between trial OSes Mar 04 05:33:03 android does have a usable web browser Mar 04 05:33:30 that can zoom easier tham midori Mar 04 05:34:22 see, Qi is a genuine invention of OM employee Andy and Werner, for GTA03. Now instead of adapting android to use that versiom, or - even better - use the original uBoot, android decides to grab Qi and tweak it for their own "needs" (whatever they might have thought those are) Mar 04 05:35:27 perverts. Mar 04 05:35:33 this completely meets the way they acted from very beginning of android Mar 04 05:36:05 hmm, so SHR *will* require a new bootloader to switch back then? how inconsiderate Mar 04 05:36:26 hijacking code from linux, pervert it, give a shit on compatibility and don't give back a single bit to community at large Mar 04 05:38:12 DocScrutinizer: I guess you're not buying into the whole `but Google's Not Evil' thing, hunh? Mar 04 05:38:24 U bet Mar 04 05:39:29 balmer, google, shuttleworth - top 3 of some of my negative lists Mar 04 05:40:13 What was that line..., `sometimes evil must be fought not by good, but by another kind of evil'? Mar 04 05:41:07 I guess Mar 04 05:41:18 heh. Mar 04 05:41:31 `Chronicles of Riddick', I think. Mar 04 05:42:08 dunno which one is worse Mar 04 05:42:29 prolly bush, the wino Mar 04 05:46:18 hmmm AT&T is supposed to have an Android phone in a few days, with physical keyboard and everything! If I didn't have to sign up for the data plan, maybe it could be my 2nd phone (while reflashing, dead battery, etc) Mar 04 05:47:40 I haved TRIED to get one of those rubber roll-up kb's from the guy at Oxford Archaeology, but it was always "We're trying to figure out how to sell them" Mar 04 06:43:46 ebay for the rescue Mar 04 06:44:29 s/for/to Mar 04 16:03:45 i guess there's a reason that android is on the moko on the front page of the wiki maybe SHR needs to be there Mar 04 16:04:01 "Doc" Mar 04 16:08:04 so android needs to change their tune to "we have a proprietary open source operating system" Mar 04 16:08:50 an then be sued for not pushing things back upstream like there supposed to do Mar 04 16:09:28 There is no requirement to push upstream Mar 04 16:09:34 you just have to publish Mar 04 16:09:38 (for gpl) Mar 04 16:10:12 so if you make it nasty code that will never get merged - and has to be reimplemented - :) Mar 04 18:28:09 PaulFertser: hi, just for info: it seems that the motorola BT does not work at least not for A2DP. I tried Jabra 620s at work and this one was working fine Mar 04 18:28:42 PaulFertser: it seems like the A2DP sound is going to motorola fine, but it's silent Mar 04 20:58:46 radekp: is your motorola a stereo headset? Mar 04 21:20:05 I've asked this before, but didn't solve it yet: i've a busybox-mountall and util-linux-ng-mountall data file clash: Mar 04 21:20:15 * check_data_file_clashes: Package busybox-mountall wants to install file /etc/default/mountall Mar 04 21:20:15 But that file is already provided by package * check_data_file_clashes: util-linux-ng-mountall Mar 04 21:20:25 Any suggestions? Mar 04 21:22:14 janv: -force-overwrite ? Mar 04 21:22:57 don't I break anything then... Mar 04 21:23:36 you just force it to use busybox-mountall's version of that one config file instead of util-linux-ng-mountal's version Mar 04 21:23:53 chances are they're pretty much identical Mar 04 21:24:23 yes, but how do I now which one is the preferred one? Mar 04 21:28:49 janv: make a copy of the current one (util-linux-ng-mountall's one), do the busybox-mountall install then diff them and see what's changed Mar 04 21:29:01 it may be there's no change at all Mar 04 21:30:14 i'll do that next time... forced the upgrade already.... Mar 04 21:31:28 another question: the shr logo on the shr-today screen looks not very sharp any more. has anyone else this issue as well? Mar 04 21:33:35 yet another question: what is the highest value for the ring volume? I set mine currently to 1270... is this normal? Mar 04 22:03:53 127 souns somewhat more normal Mar 05 02:00:23 hello moko **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 05 02:59:58 2010