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Mar 18 03:15:38 <DocScrutinizer> insert card to your Desktop PC cardreader, then fsck there
Mar 18 03:16:26 <DocScrutinizer> or boot a system from NAND and use that one to fsck the uSD
Mar 18 03:18:21 <naquan> DocScrutinizer: is there an automatic way?
Mar 18 03:18:46 <DocScrutinizer> nope, not on the distros I know
Mar 18 03:19:31 <naquan> DocScrutinizer: thank you.
Mar 18 03:19:36 <DocScrutinizer> yw
Mar 18 04:36:26 <alabd> Good day all , can .ipa be installed on shr ?
Mar 18 11:29:23 <methril_work> morning
Mar 18 11:31:34 <Moz> morning
Mar 18 11:38:53 <DocScrutinizer> moinmoin
Mar 18 11:57:00 <fgau> mahlzeit
Mar 18 12:59:48 <DocScrutinizer> malz zeit
Mar 18 13:25:16 <pabs3> is there a way for opkg to download all updates before applying them?
Mar 18 13:29:05 * pabs3 figures opkg download `opkg list-upgradable | cut -f 1 -d \ `
Mar 18 19:55:11 <ThibG> Hi
Mar 18 19:55:22 <ThibG> I've reflashed SHR-u due to FS corruption
Mar 18 19:55:42 <ThibG> I've installed illume-keyboard-french, but it doesn't show up
Mar 18 19:55:46 <ThibG> Am I missing something?
Mar 18 19:57:10 <max_posedon> restart e17(reboot) required
Mar 18 19:58:12 <ThibG> I've already done that
Mar 18 20:46:55 <PBeck> hi
Mar 18 20:48:33 <tim_abell> hello. i am in need of some moral support
Mar 18 20:48:52 <tim_abell> my partner has announced a vehment hatred for my freerunner
Mar 18 20:49:01 <tim_abell> what am i to do?
Mar 18 20:49:37 <JesusMcCloud> what kind of a question is that? i mean c'mon isn't the answer obvious?
Mar 18 20:49:57 <tim_abell> i was running shr-t, and it developed a serious sound qualiity issue (calls were choppy to the point of being unbearable)
Mar 18 20:50:21 <tim_abell> i didn't have time to investigate at that point, so i installled qtmoko onto an sd card
Mar 18 20:50:35 <rafa> I don't know the " vehment hatred" expression
Mar 18 20:50:43 <tim_abell> that's been fine for a while, but now it's started missing text messages
Mar 18 20:51:13 <tim_abell> with no clue that there's a problem until i get an earful from someone who tried to text me
Mar 18 20:51:23 <tim_abell> on restarting they all come through
Mar 18 20:51:50 <tim_abell> vehement hatred - as in, an extreme hate for the device
Mar 18 20:52:53 <tim_abell> so although i am deeply committed to open devices and software it is causing me social issues, shall we say
Mar 18 20:53:34 <rafa> tim_abell: I think that your partner is a little histerical? I mean, if the fr was making sound like a cat crying, then ok :) but if it was not like that I am not sure if somebody would hate until extreme
Mar 18 20:53:58 <tim_abell> it's more of a long term build up to hatred rather than a sudden flip-out
Mar 18 20:54:41 <rafa> ah, okey. 
Mar 18 20:54:49 <tim_abell> it's because there's *always* some issue or other
Mar 18 20:55:22 <tim_abell> now I personally take that as par for the course with new open source stuff, but I can see the other side
Mar 18 20:55:23 <rafa> then *always* there are fun ;)
Mar 18 20:55:32 <tim_abell> for me, yes
Mar 18 20:56:25 <tim_abell> i'm guessing i'm not the first person around here to experience such feelings from others, though perhaps less extreme
Mar 18 20:56:42 <rafa> tim_abell: imagine if the phone just would work, without any effort. Then what would we do ? :) just to use it like a $15 phone? nah... we want to have fun to say : "hey, I know how hard is a whole linux phone"
Mar 18 20:57:45 <tim_abell> to be honest, that's nice, but I don't actually like OSS because it's hard and forces you to know a lot, rather I like it because I got fed up with having idiots dictate what and how I can use things I've bought
Mar 18 20:59:07 <tim_abell> so I guess my question is really, is there any prospect on the horizon of true reliability from the freerunner on any distro?
Mar 18 21:00:35 <rafa> OSS forces you to know a lot: well, yes, but that "a lot" is often useful for the future. I mean, every time you learn something oss new then it will be useful for future use. Other no oss worlds teachs you things from time to time, just useful for the moment, so you would like to forget quickly 
Mar 18 21:04:31 <rafa> tim_abell: yes, and you have perhaps the most open linux phone, so being the first one it needs time. When bulbs appeared these were very unstable surely, and these lasted for a short time .. So people like us said surely: " is there any prospect on the horizon of true reliability from the bulb thing?" :) 
Mar 18 21:04:34 <tim_abell> It's certainly true that I've learned a lot from OSS, and that I appreciate the opportunity to learn that you are denied in the closed world, however I would also add that although it is geekily interesting to learn about a piece of a system because it is broken, I'm not sure that it is a good selling point for OSS
Mar 18 21:06:10 <tim_abell> though don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to have a dig here, think of it as a shared issue we are all looking at
Mar 18 21:06:29 <rafa> tim_abell: yeah, I see your point ;)
Mar 18 21:07:05 <tim_abell> I know that the truth lies in the detail, bug fix by bug fix, I am a developer in my day job after all, but just for a moment I want to contemplate the broader view
Mar 18 21:07:25 <tim_abell> see it from the non-techies view, the friends etc
Mar 18 21:08:08 <tim_abell> all they see is me being unresponsive from time to time, and wonder why i don't just by X locked up device
Mar 18 21:09:36 <tim_abell> oh well, i guess i'll fire off a qtmoko bug and a shr-t bug. At least that's vaguely productive.
Mar 18 21:10:03 <tim_abell> ps, Oh for a distributed bug tracker rather than one per project
Mar 18 21:11:27 <tim_abell> just for the record, it's awesome how much *does* work, and flawlessly
Mar 18 21:11:52 <tim_abell> i really wish i could work full time on this kind of thing
Mar 18 21:12:47 <rafa> tim_abell: you need to have always on your pocket a SD with the best stable thing for freerunner, with read only filesystems and very well configured. When somebody wants to see your phone, just turn on it with the stable SD inside :)
Mar 18 21:13:09 <tim_abell> that's what i was hoping for from qtmoko :)
Mar 18 21:15:34 <tim_abell> http://bugs.qtmoko.org/view.php?id=80 that looks like my issue
Mar 18 21:19:37 <tim_abell> commented on it.
Mar 18 21:19:47 <tim_abell> right, back to my shr-t woes
Mar 18 21:19:50 <tim_abell> :-/
Mar 18 21:52:43 <tim_abell> http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/312 I rermember experiencing that bug. It was rather amusing really
Mar 18 21:53:30 <tim_abell> I also had one where I had a call that I couldn't end, and even after suspending, the automated voice on the call was still chattering away when I resumed
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Mar 18 22:48:51 <kahless> hi
Mar 18 23:47:20 <rvs1st> have anyone tried or do we have wine for SHR?
Mar 18 23:49:14 <DocScrutinizer> prolly not worth it
Mar 18 23:50:25 <DocScrutinizer> wine been a nightmare of molasses alike speed even on my former 300MHz P-II
Mar 18 23:50:49 <Azuvix> Quick question, but it's not an easy one. I'm running into errors trying OpenMoko under qemu in gNewSense.
Mar 18 23:51:18 <DocScrutinizer> and tha one had ~500MB RAM
Mar 18 23:51:22 <SpeedEvil> wine also requires qemu - or similar - to run x86 stuff.
Mar 18 23:51:32 <DocScrutinizer> even that, yes
Mar 18 23:51:46 <DocScrutinizer> right, I forgot
Mar 18 23:52:14 <DocScrutinizer> you could try to run winmoob6 ;-P
Mar 18 23:54:27 <DocScrutinizer> those devices actually are so linuxy, I tend to forget they got a completely different arch than what I usually run my systems on
Mar 18 23:54:28 <rvs1st> for SHR?
Mar 18 23:55:19 <rvs1st> actually im planning to port the an app for SHR for clinical notes
Mar 18 23:57:11 <DocScrutinizer> as long as it's an open source app, preferably written for some sort of linux desktop winmanager, it shouldn't be too difficult
Mar 18 23:58:39 <rvs1st> alrgith thanx for the info
Mar 18 23:59:40 <rvs1st> does anyone of you guys have a copy of neopwn?
Mar 19 02:16:48 <naquan> hi everyone, I installed latest SHR-u 20100315. The new layout worked fine but my contact list 's empty, it seems that the application did not import contacts from SIM my card. Is there a way for me to get back the contact list?
Mar 19 02:18:16 <JesusMcCloud> naquan, wait 2 days or so until Heinervdm's SIm-Manager is in feed
Mar 19 02:18:30 <JesusMcCloud> or struggle with PISI for now
Mar 19 02:28:27 <naquan> JesusMcCloud, thank you. I 'll try the PISI :)
Mar 19 02:28:53 <JesusMcCloud> naquan, you're gonna hate it... it is buggy
Mar 19 02:29:16 <JesusMcCloud> the onyl way i could make it work was to first export from sim to googel contacts and tehn back from google contacts to opimd
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