**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 27 02:59:56 2010 Mar 27 12:33:41 hello, a quick question; are there any phones out there that can be unlocked as to allow changing the IMEI? Mar 27 12:42:11 voidwalker: why'd you want to do this? Mar 27 12:43:01 * DocScrutinizer offers to voidwalker to set his FR's IMEI to 000000000000 Mar 27 12:49:02 :) Mar 27 12:49:14 a measure against big brother's eye Mar 27 12:49:31 changing IMEI is overrated for anything other than changing pesonality of a stolen phone Mar 27 12:49:33 my phone was being listened to Mar 27 12:50:02 personality ? Mar 27 12:50:06 you must not use different imeis with same SIMcard, otherwise cloak is void Mar 27 12:51:16 not with the same sim cards, different ones Mar 27 12:51:20 spoof imei/change sim Mar 27 12:51:43 also i was wondering, is there a software that can change your voice in real time on the phone? Mar 27 12:51:49 while talking Mar 27 12:51:52 you must not use random IMEI, as the database easily will sort out any case where several random IMEIs appear in a number of cells without any prior reference in adjacent cells Mar 27 12:52:24 I see... Mar 27 12:52:27 that makes sense Mar 27 12:52:36 well Mar 27 12:52:40 new phones are being bought every day Mar 27 12:52:47 hundreds of them, in a big city Mar 27 12:53:00 you must not use the 'fake' imei in same locations as the wellknown IMEI, otherwise correlation will cause cloak to void Mar 27 12:53:39 assuming that they can trace a phone's location to high accuracy Mar 27 12:53:50 which i don't know if they can or can't do Mar 27 12:53:57 believe me, you'll be invisible like a firered stinking garbage bin, with fake IMEI Mar 27 12:55:14 How so ? Mar 27 12:55:54 plausibility checks of registration servers' databases will yell like mad Mar 27 12:57:23 plausibility of what? Mar 27 12:58:31 see backscroll! IMEI emerging out of nothing. Then disappearing into oblivion. several such events same time same area. etc etc etc pp Mar 27 12:58:50 i see Mar 27 12:59:04 well, i wouldn't plan on changing it very often Mar 27 12:59:24 they not only will subsummon all those events under "Mr X", but also their alarm bells will ring on such events Mar 27 12:59:46 are you sure they have a team doing all the watching you mentioned? Mar 27 12:59:51 phone companies* Mar 27 13:00:10 then, if you want it for infrequent use, just get a 1$ phone and fine you are Mar 27 13:00:41 can you send me 100 1$ phones please? Mar 27 13:00:45 i will pay $200 for them Mar 27 13:00:46 :P Mar 27 13:00:47 this watching isn't done by carriers, it's done by law enforcement authorities Mar 27 13:01:16 ok , topic ended Mar 27 13:01:17 enough info Mar 27 13:01:35 how about software for smartphones, to change voice on the fly? Mar 27 13:01:42 easy Mar 27 13:01:47 on FR Mar 27 13:02:08 fr=? Mar 27 13:03:03 freerunner? you're sure you've /join'ed the correct chan, mate? Mar 27 13:03:24 yeah Mar 27 13:04:46 i dont know much of openmoko, except the fact that it's an open source phone kind of thing Mar 27 13:04:46 :p Mar 27 13:04:55 what should i search for and where ? for this software Mar 27 13:05:11 ~fr-audio Mar 27 13:05:13 well, fr-audio is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem Mar 27 13:05:37 for a first large image Mar 27 13:06:06 then google e.g. for "sox linux" Mar 27 13:06:19 * mwester wonders what buildings voidwalker plans to blow up. Mar 27 13:06:31 hmm, yeah Mar 27 13:07:11 L:))) Mar 27 13:10:11 * DocScrutinizer remrks there's not much use in "changing voice on the fly". Will scare the shit out of your calling peer, but is easily reversed to get your original voiceprint - if that's been your concern Mar 27 13:11:19 for pretty good privacy on phonecall, refer to ZRTP and SIPS Mar 27 13:11:45 Heh, in fact most FRs come with "make voice sound weird on the fly" enabled by default Mar 27 13:11:54 lol Mar 27 13:12:26 took me a month to design that feature in :-P Mar 27 13:12:36 :D Mar 27 13:12:40 lol Mar 27 13:12:46 it's all about differentiation Mar 27 13:16:07 (ZRTP, SOPS) if done correctly, law enforcement will know you did a call, but they neither know to whom, nor can they eavesdrop to get the voice Mar 27 13:16:25 see twinklephone.com Mar 27 13:16:45 SIPS that is Mar 27 13:19:52 ~testxxx Mar 27 13:20:04 ~ping Mar 27 13:20:05 hm Mar 27 13:20:05 ~pong Mar 27 13:20:18 zrtp sops thing, that's for digital phone calls, made over ip, right? Mar 27 13:21:56 right Mar 27 13:22:39 so internet access would be required either via gprs/3g etc or wireless or other source Mar 27 13:23:15 where ip is the internets, as well as a point-to-point GSM data connection - though the later obviously lacks the benefit of hiding identity of your peer Mar 27 13:23:22 it's complicated,. have to get everybody that im talking with plans for internet.. advance phones Mar 27 13:23:44 i remember asking the question if gsm calls (not voip) can be encrypted in any way Mar 27 13:24:11 in this channel Mar 27 13:24:17 and the answer i was given was no Mar 27 13:24:18 they can't, except for the point-to-point data call mentiomned above Mar 27 13:24:36 well, might well as use skype Mar 27 13:24:48 on the phones Mar 27 13:24:53 skype is inherently unsafe Mar 27 13:24:58 i know but. Mar 27 13:25:05 still safer than a non encrypted call Mar 27 13:25:22 uhm, maybe. maybe not Mar 27 13:25:40 so why can't a software on the phone change teh finger print of the voice Mar 27 13:25:45 jury's out on thet Mar 27 13:25:47 making it close to impossible to reconstruct? Mar 27 13:26:33 what are you exactly intending to do? your question is too ambiguous to give a decent precise answer Mar 27 13:27:02 well, if somebody was listening on my call Mar 27 13:27:04 obviously scrambling voice to something impossible to reconstruct is nonsense Mar 27 13:27:25 i want my voice changed, as to not bear any resemblance with my original voice Mar 27 13:27:36 so that the listener would be unsure of the identity Mar 27 13:27:51 that's basically impossible. You need e.g espeak for thisa Mar 27 13:28:04 espeak ? Mar 27 13:28:11 computer voice Mar 27 13:28:21 oh synthesizer Mar 27 13:28:25 why it's impossible? Mar 27 13:28:49 even then your identity might get revealed by the statistical distribution of the words you use Mar 27 13:29:27 :))))))) Mar 27 13:29:31 give me a fucking break Mar 27 13:29:36 cops here are not that smart Mar 27 13:29:49 each process mangling your original voice still keeps a lot of info you simply can't change by any such process Mar 27 13:29:50 and i doubt that can be evidence in a court room Mar 27 13:31:03 well, here isn't the right forum to discuss those topics Mar 27 13:31:27 well, it's openmoko.. open applications for phones Mar 27 13:31:29 why not ? :) Mar 27 13:32:03 IANL Mar 27 13:33:26 I'm more than willing to give technical survey, but I'm not discussing legal stuff Mar 27 13:33:26 huh? Mar 27 13:33:36 ~wtf IANL Mar 27 13:33:37 i asked of nothing more Mar 27 13:33:38 Gee... I don't know what IANL means... Mar 27 13:33:50 bah, apt, shame on you Mar 27 13:34:02 The NSA is already monitoring this channel, based on conversations here a long time ago :-D Mar 27 13:34:02 ok, let's say it doesn't have to be nsa-proof voice modulation, just some that can fool most listeners Mar 27 13:34:02 I Ain't No Lawyer Mar 27 13:34:45 voidwalker: see my above advice: sox Mar 27 13:34:52 sox? Mar 27 13:35:21 does it work on any phones? Mar 27 13:35:25 swiss knife for audio processing - will make you sound like mickeymouse or darth vader Mar 27 13:35:59 works on openmoKO? Mar 27 13:36:11 not sure if there's a port yet Mar 27 13:36:51 basically should, as soon as floating point issues are taken care about (FR CPU has no math coprozessor) Mar 27 13:40:47 ~ianl Mar 27 13:41:04 ~die Mar 27 13:41:05 * apt takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. Mar 27 13:41:56 [2010-03-27 00:40:26] chanspecific factoids are supported. <#channame> is foo Mar 27 13:42:09 :-S I don't see that working Mar 27 13:42:25 ~testxxx Mar 27 13:42:39 ~#openmoko testxxx Mar 27 13:42:41 extra, extra, read all about it, #openmoko testxxx is openmoko Mar 27 13:42:49 pfff Mar 27 13:43:27 ~forget #openmoko testxxx Mar 27 13:43:28 i forgot #openmoko testxxx, DocScrutinizer Mar 27 13:43:35 ~forget #openmoko-cdevel testxxx Mar 27 13:43:35 i forgot #openmoko-cdevel testxxx, DocScrutinizer Mar 27 13:45:19 no quite what I was hoping for Mar 27 13:46:32 ~#openmoko testxxx is openmoko Mar 27 13:46:33 DocScrutinizer: okay Mar 27 13:46:45 ~testxxx Mar 27 13:46:52 ~forget #openmoko testxxx Mar 27 13:46:53 DocScrutinizer: i forgot #openmoko testxxx Mar 27 13:50:12 * DocScrutinizer ponders sending patches for infobot to tim riker Mar 27 13:50:46 alas aiui it's some EEEEK source language :-P Mar 27 13:52:31 anyway interference between 108 channels defining factoids is kinda awkward Mar 27 13:52:35 ~flashing Mar 27 13:52:36 methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 27 13:53:33 ~chaninfo Mar 27 13:53:33 I'm on 108 channels: #debian/914, #maemo/532, #kde/374, #gsoc/321, #meego/320, #asterisk/224, #openmoko/181, #wowace/169, #oe/147, #webos-internals/126, #openmoko-cdevel/118, #wowhead/115, #wowuidev/114, #htc-linux/105, #tomcat/66, #utah/64, #wowwiki/58, #asterisk-dev/56, #bzflag/56, #edev/55, #curseforge/50, #uclibc/48, #sc2mapster/44, #slug/41, #elinux/39, #norganna/36, #uphpu/34, #gllug/30, #utos/28, #/26, #openezx/26, #handhelds/25, #elive/23, ... Mar 27 13:53:34 i've cached 5091 users, 3684 unique users, distributed over 108 channels. Mar 27 13:54:08 oh my. what a data sink. ;) Mar 27 13:54:15 lol Mar 27 13:55:13 let's build our own VDS Mar 27 13:55:18 :p Mar 27 13:55:29 I've considered starting a OM specific dedicated instance on my box, but that one would miss the database of the original infobot Mar 27 13:57:02 and I'm reluctant to implement it as a proxy (like DNS), calling back to higher authority for each factoid it doesn't know by itself Mar 27 13:58:09 not to mention the ~seen requests Mar 27 13:59:30 and tim doesn't like the idea to share a snapshot of the factoid database - the augmented one with all the user defined factoids in it Mar 27 14:00:05 Wonka: VDS? Mar 27 14:04:01 DocScrutinizer: VorratsDatenSpeicherung Mar 27 14:05:42 aah, well infobot doesn't do a lot of VDS that's not to be found elsewhere as well. See chanlogs etc Mar 27 14:06:13 it's more of a datamining tool rather than a database, for that purpose Mar 27 14:07:24 I know... Mar 27 14:08:47 all I was hoping for was a somewhat smarter way to handle this: Mar 27 14:08:49 ~log Mar 27 14:08:50 from memory, log is http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel/ for #openmoko-cdevel only. Maybe you meant "~logs" ? Mar 27 14:09:32 or this: Mar 27 14:09:44 ~#openmoko-cdevel-bb Mar 27 14:09:45 The #openmoko-cdevel Newsflash Bulletin Board. (continued at #openmoko-cdevel-BB2. For help see ~#openmoko-cdevel-BB-help) - - - Recommended URLs and channels(chanlogs etc):see ~#openmoko-cdevel-BB-RL - - - NEWSFLASH [2010-03-23 10:23 UTC]: buildhost up again and works Mar 27 14:09:59 ~BB Mar 27 14:10:01 Audio visual demonstration for your text terminal. URL: http://www.ta.jcu.cz/aa/bb/ Mar 27 17:39:06 hello guys Mar 27 17:39:47 I've just flashed the latest SHR-unstable and did an upgrade Mar 27 17:40:15 but sim-auth comes up with no numbers on screen Mar 27 17:40:21 any idea? Mar 27 17:46:36 emsyr, cd /usr/share/libphone-ui-shr/ Mar 27 17:47:46 then creat a file called config with the contents [global] and in the next line theme = default then killall phoneuid and phoneuid & Mar 27 17:57:10 JesusMcCloud|afk: it worked Mar 27 17:57:21 JesusMcCloud|afk: thanx a lot Mar 27 21:31:44 Hi all Mar 27 21:32:40 Does anybody know whether there will be a openmoko 3.0 device? Mar 27 21:33:15 nobody knows, but openmoko (company) don't do any phone development now Mar 27 21:36:15 max_posedon, there is a openmoko company? I thought that was done by ... damn... forgot that Name... it had just 3 letters.... FCA?! Mar 27 21:36:31 FIC Mar 27 21:36:37 oh, ok Mar 27 21:36:55 openmoko started as part of it, then become separate company Mar 27 21:37:06 oh, nice. Mar 27 21:37:13 produce gta01, (some-gps-device), gta02 Mar 27 21:37:23 just some seconds in here and i got lots of new info. Mar 27 21:37:28 cool! Mar 27 21:37:34 then stopped any mobile development a year ago Mar 27 21:37:47 and released wikireader half a year ago Mar 27 21:38:08 I'm really keen on getting a freerunner. Mar 27 21:38:19 But I'd never buy such a wikireader. Mar 27 21:38:34 go ahead, but check wiki and all facts about freerunner Mar 27 21:38:51 well, I know it's not a "normal" phone. Mar 27 21:39:07 it's pretty freaky yet Mar 27 21:39:14 hw specs too low for current, and have some hw-bugs Mar 27 21:40:01 but i really like the idea having a linux-phone with (mostly) free hardware. Mar 27 21:41:16 I've seen some design ideas for 3.0 Mar 28 00:24:22 bye bye Mar 28 00:24:37 #leave Mar 28 02:11:10 Has anyone used USB networking with Windows with the 2.6.32 kernel on their FR? Mar 28 02:13:07 With QtMoko v14 (2.6.29 kernel), Windows 7 created the Neo Connection network connection when I connected my FR. I finally upgraded to QtMoko v18 with 2.6.32 kernel, but now Windows 7 never creates the Neo Connection so I cannot bridge Neo Connection with Local Area Connection. :( Mar 28 02:13:51 Am I missing something? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 28 02:59:56 2010