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Mar 30 10:25:03 <Moz> !seen stefan schmidt
Mar 30 11:14:59 <badcloud> anyone there today?
Mar 30 11:15:43 <tomcatek> nope :)
Mar 30 11:17:25 <badcloud> tomcatek: haha. where whould we be with your type of humor ;)
Mar 30 11:18:03 <badcloud> I need to fix my fr using the board, but I don't know what's wrong with it
Mar 30 11:18:16 <badcloud> would you mind taking a look at the last dmesg output?
Mar 30 11:18:23 <badcloud> http://pastebin.com/C8xJq8xz
Mar 30 12:25:30 <badcloud> is anyone here d. board savvy?
Mar 30 12:25:41 <badcloud> I really need some help
Mar 30 12:26:45 <Weiss> what kind of savvy?
Mar 30 12:26:59 * Weiss is kind of here, but will be on and off a bit for the next couple of hours
Mar 30 12:27:37 <badcloud> welll...
Mar 30 12:27:40 <badcloud> I need a bit of help! I got the d. board connection running in su (/dev/ttyUSB0), 'make' worked for devirginator but I can't locate './devirginate', and openocd is giving me http://pastebin.com/kJGVPVWV; openocd.cfg --> http://pastebin.com/y4nWg4Bv (consistent w/lsusb iproduct output)
Mar 30 12:27:55 <badcloud> whoops, should have scratched off the first sentance
Mar 30 12:28:04 <badcloud> but you get the idea ;)
Mar 30 12:28:50 <PaulFertser> badcloud: you have openocd version incompatible with your config
Mar 30 12:28:55 <PaulFertser> badcloud: what are you trying to do anyway?
Mar 30 12:29:18 <badcloud> PaulFertser: thanks
Mar 30 12:29:31 <badcloud> I have a feeling something needs to be fixed
Mar 30 12:29:37 <PaulFertser> Open On-Chip Debugger (2006-08-01) <-- looks damn old :)
Mar 30 12:29:40 <badcloud> so I figured a factory reset would do
Mar 30 12:30:02 <badcloud> I get two bad block tables on dmesg
Mar 30 12:30:03 <PaulFertser> badcloud: if your NOR u-boot is working, you basically do not need neither debug board, nor devirginator.
Mar 30 12:30:12 <badcloud> I see
Mar 30 12:30:26 <badcloud> I flashed latest shr-t
Mar 30 12:30:38 <badcloud> and it needs two boots for gsm registration
Mar 30 12:30:54 <badcloud> plus I can't edit contact fields (even after taking a look at trac)
Mar 30 12:31:52 <badcloud> I guess it's easy for someone who doesn't understand to just blame the first sour thing that shows up on dmesg
Mar 30 12:32:01 <badcloud> PaulFertser: what do you suggest?
Mar 30 12:32:36 <PaulFertser> badcloud: can you show your dmesg?
Mar 30 12:32:45 <badcloud> sure, one sec
Mar 30 12:32:54 <badcloud> http://pastebin.com/C8xJq8xz
Mar 30 12:36:14 <PaulFertser> badcloud: hm. I think you can try booting from uSD to eliminate possibility of NAND oddities. Also usual advice follows: latest bootloader version in NAND, latest modem firmware...
Mar 30 12:41:27 <badcloud> PaulFertser: thanks sooo much
Mar 30 12:43:28 <PaulFertser> badcloud: hope you'll manage
Mar 30 13:41:00 <badcloud> PaulFertser: still there?
Mar 30 13:41:08 <badcloud> I'm getting dfu_download error -110
Mar 30 13:41:17 <badcloud> when uploading the latest uImage kernel
Mar 30 13:45:48 <badcloud> 'end of write exceeds partition end' shows up on screen
Mar 30 13:46:35 <badcloud> nm, my mistake
Mar 30 13:49:35 <badcloud> sry for the noise
Mar 30 18:35:50 <The_Ball> Hi guys, anybody know "werner" and if he usually hangs around here?
Mar 30 18:36:48 <Heinervdm> The_Ball: which werner?
Mar 30 18:37:11 <The_Ball> Heinervdm, wpwrack, looks like he is in the cdevel chanel
Mar 30 18:37:39 <Heinervdm> The_Ball: wpwrack is a werne :)
Mar 30 18:38:26 <The_Ball> Oh ok, he uses "Werner" as his signature quite a lot
Mar 30 19:41:50 <FreedomSound> Hello !
Mar 30 19:42:18 <FreedomSound> The Wiki gimme old informations for debian about usb host mode
Mar 30 19:42:46 <FreedomSound> how to turn USB to host mode with latest debian (kernel 2,6,32
Mar 30 19:42:51 <FreedomSound> )
Mar 30 19:42:53 <FreedomSound> ??
Mar 30 20:52:22 <voidwalker> i was wondering, is it possible, with openmoko phone or other phones , to connect it to a computer, and have it used remotely
Mar 30 20:52:30 <voidwalker> from another computer on the internet
Mar 30 20:52:39 <voidwalker> like a phon proxy/server
Mar 30 20:52:44 <max_posedon> yes, its possible
Mar 30 20:52:57 <voidwalker> so the police won't know where i called from
Mar 30 20:53:00 <voidwalker> just kidding
Mar 30 20:53:00 <voidwalker> D:
Mar 30 20:53:09 <voidwalker> how is it possible?
Mar 30 20:53:18 <tomcatek> voidwalker: You can ssh into FR if You set up the envirenmenr
Mar 30 20:53:19 <tomcatek> t
Mar 30 20:53:20 <max_posedon> easy, most simple way
Mar 30 20:53:32 <max_posedon> install asterisk on freerunner
Mar 30 20:53:32 <tomcatek> and use it via mdbus
Mar 30 20:53:54 <max_posedon> little coding, and you will be able redirect calls
Mar 30 20:54:34 <max_posedon> there are many variants to do such thing
Mar 30 20:57:49 <voidwalker> hmm
Mar 30 21:24:40 <wbk> hi all!
Mar 30 21:28:22 <tim_abell> so, what does closed/upstream mean in the shr trac?
Mar 30 21:28:32 <tim_abell> http://www.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/974
Mar 30 21:28:42 <tim_abell> does that mean that the shr people are no longer interested?
Mar 30 21:29:30 <tim_abell> does the shr distro not keep track of which upstream bugs are affecting it?
Mar 30 21:36:34 <tim_abell> Error: org.freesmartphone.PIM.InvalidField - Query rule '_float_gt_Timestamp' does not exist. - Segmentation fault
Mar 30 21:36:35 <tim_abell> doh
Mar 30 21:36:44 <tim_abell> launcher is crashing
Mar 30 21:36:58 <tim_abell> i was trying to reproduce my other bug report
Mar 30 21:44:01 <tim_abell> http://code.google.com/p/shr-launcher/issues/detail?id=12
Mar 30 21:44:13 <tim_abell> http://code.google.com/p/shr-launcher/issues/detail?id=11
Mar 30 21:44:22 <tim_abell> http://code.google.com/p/shr-launcher/issues/detail?id=10
Mar 30 21:44:27 * tim_abell is on a bug filing spree
Mar 30 22:12:28 <tim_abell> where can i get /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi for ubuntu ?
Mar 30 22:12:35 <tim_abell> trying to compile  omnewrotate
Mar 30 22:16:18 <tim_abell> anyone there?
Mar 30 22:16:20 <tim_abell> very quiet today
Mar 30 22:16:38 <[Rui]> hi
Mar 30 22:17:01 <[Rui]> tim_abell: what distribution do you use on the FreeRunner?
Mar 30 22:17:07 <tim_abell> shr-t
Mar 30 22:17:14 <[Rui]> tim_abell: cool. opkg install omnewrotate :)
Mar 30 22:17:28 <tim_abell> done that, want to change it now ;)
Mar 30 22:17:35 <[Rui]> ah good :)
Mar 30 22:17:50 <[Rui]> I accept patches, please maintain the style :)
Mar 30 22:18:12 <[Rui]> tim_abell: the best way is to use shr's instructions.
Mar 30 22:18:41 <[Rui]> tim_abell: it may take a while on a fast cpu, but if you get to build shr-lite-image then you'll surely be able to build omnewrotate
Mar 30 22:19:29 <[Rui]> tim_abell: did you check http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Building%20SHR ?
Mar 30 22:20:27 <tim_abell> nope, that's the link i was looking for. ta!
Mar 30 22:20:48 <tim_abell> are you the author of omnewrotate?
Mar 30 22:21:03 <[Rui]> tim_abell: yes
Mar 30 22:21:22 <tim_abell> cool, did you see my post to the lists about init.d etc?
Mar 30 22:21:29 <tim_abell> good work by the way
Mar 30 22:22:11 <[Rui]> tim_abell: thanks :) I used it as a way to have something I wanted working better than what there used to be, and at the same time learning how to program for this device :)
Mar 30 22:22:18 <[Rui]> tim_abell: now I mostly focus on elmdentica
Mar 30 22:22:35 <[Rui]> tim_abell: I didn't see your post, which mailing list?
Mar 30 22:23:50 <tim_abell> hmm, should have gone to devel
Mar 30 22:24:41 <tim_abell> brb
Mar 30 22:25:24 <[Rui]> tim_abell: btw, I'm not running omnewrotate right now, because all that action appears to trigger a very obscure bug where you get a black screen of death.
Mar 30 22:26:00 <[Rui]> tim_abell: I *think* it's something either in hardware or driver, but I can't help much more in there and as it hasn't happened to Weiss, we're sort of stuck :|
Mar 30 22:26:20 <tim_abell> oh deary me!
Mar 30 22:26:36 <Weiss> still working on stable xrandr for KMS :)
Mar 30 22:27:52 <tim_abell> i think my mail may have gone missing
Mar 30 22:27:57 <[Rui]> Weiss: I'm craving for your brilliant mind to find a cure :)
Mar 30 22:28:13 <[Rui]> tim_abell: yeah, I was about to tell you I couldn't find it even in the archives.
Mar 30 22:28:24 <tim_abell> gah, everything is so annoying
Mar 30 22:28:52 <tim_abell> i see it in my own inbox, complete with the footer added by the list server
Mar 30 22:29:05 <tim_abell> 25/3/2010
Mar 30 22:29:26 <[Rui]> I'm also plaged by millions of bugs in Elementary stuff on elmdentica. weird crashes and so on, but on *EFL* libraries and not on my stuff
Mar 30 22:29:48 <tim_abell> ah, wrong list
Mar 30 22:29:53 <[Rui]> tim_abell: I could have erased it locally without reading but...
Mar 30 22:30:03 <[Rui]> I didn't find it in shr-devel list
Mar 30 22:30:08 <tim_abell> i sent it to devel@lists.openmoko.org, not the shr devel
Mar 30 22:30:09 <tim_abell> meh
Mar 30 22:30:21 <[Rui]> oh
Mar 30 22:31:09 <tim_abell> re-sending
Mar 30 22:31:19 <[Rui]> you don't need that
Mar 30 22:31:28 <tim_abell> http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-devel/2010-March/002419.html
Mar 30 22:31:37 <[Rui]> you can just setup a config option so it doesn't start on resume
Mar 30 22:32:06 <tim_abell> so i gathered, but you might be interested in what i've done anyway
Mar 30 22:33:05 <[Rui]> I'll check it out, most likely on easter where I'll have nothing better to do and strongly need distractions from a boring period
Mar 30 22:33:23 <tim_abell> lol, cool
Mar 30 22:33:35 <tim_abell> the other thing i want to change is the thresholds for rotation
Mar 30 22:33:57 <tim_abell> 45deg is quite annoying, it would be much nicer for it to wait till it was nearly level
Mar 30 22:34:15 <tim_abell> i find on a call it's constantly rotating as i hold the phone to my ear at around 45deg
Mar 30 22:34:44 <[Rui]> can you send me in diffs?
Mar 30 22:35:21 <[Rui]> tim_abell: or add as a feature request with patch in code.google.com/p/omnewrotate ? :)
Mar 30 22:35:40 <tim_abell> i hadn't got as far as finding the original source when i created those changes
Mar 30 22:35:46 <tim_abell> i'm sure you'll cope :)
Mar 30 22:35:48 <[Rui]> tim_abell: well, I wouldn't worry about that too much
Mar 30 22:35:58 <[Rui]> tim_abell: in fact, the job of rotation should be the Window Manager's
Mar 30 22:36:15 <tim_abell> indeed it should, but paper tigers and all that
Mar 30 22:36:49 <[Rui]> tim_abell: yeah, however a daemon will have a lot more trouble doing nice efects for rotation :)
Mar 30 22:37:27 <tim_abell> if you say so. i just found what i did is much more bearable than the defaults, and i'm into init scripts and daemons at the moment
Mar 30 22:37:29 <[Rui]> tim_abell: as you must've noticed, all I do is link to libxrandr and do their system calls, which is basically not a rotation but switch orientation :)
Mar 30 22:37:41 <tim_abell> i hadn't got as far as reading the source
Mar 30 22:37:47 <tim_abell> was just about to
Mar 30 22:37:48 <[Rui]> tim_abell: yeah, I meant about the sensibility
Mar 30 22:38:02 <[Rui]> tim_abell: I noticed you added support for start stop daemon, which is very cool :)
Mar 30 22:38:28 <tim_abell> yeah, i like that. been playing with it debian servers for crappy proprietary software at work
Mar 30 22:38:40 <[Rui]> and now I also need to go to bed...
Mar 30 22:38:40 <tim_abell> (backupexec client)
Mar 30 22:38:45 <tim_abell> me too
Mar 30 22:38:51 <tim_abell> good  to chat, see you around
Mar 30 22:38:59 <tim_abell> thanks again for your work
Mar 30 22:39:02 <[Rui]> tim_abell: yeah, sure :) see ya!
Mar 30 22:39:08 <[Rui]> tim_abell: thanks
Mar 30 22:39:09 <tim_abell> i wouldn't have had any rotate without it :)
Mar 30 22:39:29 <[Rui]> there are many other rotation programs, I can't say if the newer ones work better or not
Mar 30 22:39:43 <[Rui]> tim_abell: nowadays, FSO is also aware of the orientation
Mar 30 22:39:43 <tim_abell> yours is the only one in the shr-t feeds i think
Mar 30 22:40:18 <[Rui]> tim_abell: so now a window manager only needs to plug to the proper dbus signals (so a lot less work there).
Mar 30 22:40:57 <tim_abell> i'll take your word for it :)
Mar 30 22:40:58 <[Rui]> tim_abell: I've still not been brave enough to try to do an emodule to plug into that, however
Mar 30 22:41:10 <tim_abell> laters
Mar 30 22:41:16 <[Rui]> tata!
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