**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 11 02:59:56 2010 Apr 11 07:30:13 radekp: Is there an easy way to install openoffice.org (preferably v3.2.x or at least v3.x) on QtMoko? I have been trying to use aptitude with Debian unstable and lenny-backports to install openoffice.org, but I always end up with broken dependencies. I saw someone suggest using Ubuntu's .deb packages for armel, but I have not yet tried that. I am currently installing a huge pile of dependencies of smartpm so I can try smartpm to s Apr 11 07:31:45 brolin_empey: hi, no idea - i havent dared to install openoffice yet :) Apr 11 07:32:00 brolin_empey: maybe gnumeric or abiword could be enough? Apr 11 07:32:05 radekp: I have not yet broken telephony by installing so many packages from unstable, but my parents probably think I am ignoring them because they kept calling me but I could not use my FR as a phone because it was busy installing or managing packages. :) Apr 11 07:35:04 radekp: I commented out /var/cache/apt in /etc/fstab because I filled the 60 MiB /var/cache/apt tmpfs by installing so many packages (mostly dependencies). :) Apr 11 07:35:35 radekp: I mean commented out and umounted it. Apr 11 07:36:08 brolin_empey: yes, that was good - the mount is only workaround for jffs2 which cant do mmap Apr 11 07:36:22 it's not needed when running from sd card Apr 11 07:38:16 radekp: QtMoko is so much better than a proprietary phone: it is so nice to be able to communicate directly with the maintainer (you!). :) Apr 11 07:40:02 * brolin_empey is currently happy with his FR. :) Apr 11 07:40:30 brolin_empey: :) Apr 11 07:43:34 is there a QtMoko image that runs on gta01? Apr 11 07:45:27 radekp: This is one reason why I prefer Windows NT over Linux as a desktop client OS, though: on Windows, I can Google the name of any program, find its official home page, find official installers or builds for Windows, download them, install or extract them, and use them. Then I am using the same build as most other users who use the program on Windows. On Linux, I have to build from source, or install from repositories, which can Apr 11 07:46:12 Psi: no - i dont have GTA01 to port it and nobody with GTA01 was abe to do it Apr 11 07:46:27 ok Apr 11 07:46:33 Psi: although it would involve probably just changing few sysfs paths Apr 11 07:47:52 Psi: Not that I know of. Why would you want to use a GTA01 unless you could not afford a GTA02 and could not find anyone who is generous enough to give you one, like with swoody on the community mailing list? Apr 11 07:50:36 im saving up for a n900 Apr 11 07:51:39 Psi: Do you realise the N900 lacks USB Host support at the hardware level? :( Apr 11 07:52:51 yep Apr 11 08:10:40 radekp: my X forwarding no longer works: X clients on QtMoko cannot open the display even when I ssh in with "ssh -X". :( Apr 11 08:12:18 radekp: X forwarding used to work because I used it to run qtparted on QtMoko and display on Cygwin/X on Win7. Apr 11 08:13:54 radekp: Is this the first breakage I have discovered which is caused by installing so many packages from unstable? :( Apr 11 08:16:07 brolin_empey: yes Apr 11 08:16:50 brolin_empey: if it worked before and now after installing packages from unstable it does not work... Apr 11 08:17:32 radekp: Or do I simply need sufficient bravery to reboot my FR and hope QtMoko still works? ;) Apr 11 08:17:54 qtmoko is using debian stable - i cant tell what happens when you swith to unstable Apr 11 08:19:01 radekp: I know, but navit, smartpm, openoffice.org v3.x (?), and others are not in stable. :( Apr 11 08:20:26 radekp: Actually, I do not remember which version of QtMoko I was using when I last successfully ran an X client, so maybe X forwarding never worked on my v19 installation on SD. Apr 11 08:20:54 we could switch to debian testing, but it will take time and testing - e.g. bluetooth is not ready for bluez4 yet Apr 11 08:21:21 X forwarding worked for me when i tried Apr 11 08:22:03 it works here Apr 11 08:22:25 i will try v21 Apr 11 08:24:48 * brolin_empey rebooted his FR. I thought I got a WSOD, but the white screen turned black/blank. Now I guess QtMoko is booting, but there is nothing on the console because Qi (still using qt-bootmenu) did not boot in verbose mode (I guess?). Apr 11 08:29:23 radekp: How many FRs do you have? /me has 6, but uses only his first one (FR #0). :) Apr 11 08:30:18 radekp: Or should I say my zeroth one? ;) Apr 11 08:30:52 i'd say first one :) Apr 11 08:31:51 radekp: Not oneth one? ;) Apr 11 08:33:17 brolin_empey: :) Apr 11 08:33:23 brolin_empey: gotta go, see you later Apr 11 08:34:09 radekp: BCNU? :) Apr 11 08:37:29 that is a lot of FRs Apr 11 08:38:13 you should make a Beowulf cluster :) Apr 11 08:43:22 * brolin_empey almost forgot how much fun IRC is because he did not use IRC much for a few years. :( Apr 11 08:45:12 Yay, I did not b0rk my QtMoko after all. :P Apr 11 10:54:20 Hi :) Apr 11 10:54:28 I have some questions regarding the Openmoko Apr 11 10:54:43 My birthday is coming soon, I want to buy one Apr 11 10:54:46 What is working actually? Apr 11 10:55:01 SMS & calls are working? Apr 11 10:55:04 It's the basics Apr 11 10:56:05 hardisk: I'm using my freerunner as daily phone Apr 11 10:56:27 So it works great? Apr 11 10:56:35 tomcatek: which distro? do you upgrade it often? Apr 11 10:56:43 with the standard distribution (flashing the phone seems really awfull to do) Apr 11 10:56:57 flashing is easy Apr 11 10:57:19 pabs3: I'm using SHR-U now Apr 11 10:57:38 hardisk: flashing is just one line on YOur PC :) Apr 11 10:57:45 ok ^^ Apr 11 10:57:56 And I had a more specific question Apr 11 10:58:14 I use a 100% free system on my pc (Trisquel), is there any 100% free software distro for the openmoko? Apr 11 10:58:30 hardisk: all of them are Apr 11 10:58:40 ok.. except Android :) Apr 11 10:58:43 \o/ Apr 11 10:58:53 it's not THAT open Apr 11 10:58:53 hahaha what's the point about getting Android on it.. Apr 11 10:59:01 It's like installing windows.. Apr 11 10:59:14 but rest is all open source Apr 11 10:59:15 hardisk: there are binary blobs embedded in the hardware, so you're relying on non-free software in any case Apr 11 10:59:44 embedded in the hardware? Apr 11 10:59:44 ?? Apr 11 10:59:47 wtf? oO Apr 11 10:59:52 (wifi, gsm, gps, etc). there is work to create FLOSS gsm software though Apr 11 11:00:01 hardisk: just like in any hardware Apr 11 11:00:20 just like any hardware? Apr 11 11:00:25 but still it's as close to open source as it is possible now. Apr 11 11:00:27 even hard drives :) Apr 11 11:00:37 or SD cards Apr 11 11:01:59 the situation with OpenMoko is better than any other phone though Apr 11 11:02:29 what can i do to use external wifi cards Apr 11 11:03:04 i have shr in flash and debian on sd Apr 11 11:04:49 or how can i build the module rtl8187 on my freerunner Apr 11 11:13:47 hmpf Apr 11 12:42:17 i'd like to buy a neo free runner but need some help. i'm in the usa and looked at the usa distributors. it seems the only one selling the a7 is selling it in batches of 10. can someone here point me to a distributer in the usa? Apr 11 13:06:05 Hello Apr 11 13:06:39 could some one tell me about the mobile type can support linux ? Apr 11 14:25:40 I just upgraded udev & kernel and /dev/disk/by-label no longer works, any ideas about how to debug/fix it? Apr 11 14:26:08 pabs3: isn't it because rules directory was moved? Apr 11 14:26:29 anyone still running a neo1973 on a recent distro? is debian workable? Apr 11 14:26:42 JaMa: not sure what you mean? Apr 11 14:28:42 what is the best mobile phone for install linux and connect to internet ? Apr 11 14:28:47 JaMa: this is shr-testing btw Apr 11 14:30:41 pabs3: at least in shr-u there is newer udev using /lib/udev/rules.d instead of libexec Apr 11 14:31:01 pabs3: so if your /dev/disk/by-label was expecting old rules, they are not used anymore Apr 11 14:31:43 I was expecting the default rules that come with udev to create /dev/disk/by-label/somelabel on boot Apr 11 14:32:39 I don't really care where the rules are installed, as long as they work Apr 11 14:33:59 both the rules in /etc/udev/rules.d/ & /usr/libexec/rules.d/ mention by-label Apr 11 14:39:20 hmm, maybe /dev/disk/by-label needs to exist before udev can use it Apr 11 14:39:34 * pabs3 wonders how it got removed though Apr 11 15:06:42 * pabs3 adds disgusting hack to workaround whatever caused udev to break Apr 11 15:30:05 pabs3: Have you grepped the leaked portion of the Win2k SP1 codebase for "BUGBUG"? "The magnitude of this hack compares favorably with that of the national debt." :D Apr 11 15:30:22 SHR-- disgusting hacks++ Apr 11 15:30:34 I don't have a copy of that Apr 11 15:32:54 pabs3: You should still be able to find a copy. I got my copy from a binary Usenet group <1 month (<1 week?) after it was leaked, way back in 2004. Apr 11 15:34:08 probably, I wasted too many minutes on SHR/udev, so no time to go searching Apr 11 15:49:35 http://web.archive.org/web/20040402145338/http://mjt.nysv.org/w2k_greps/bugbug.txt Apr 11 16:38:02 My ext3 file system on SD is corrupted again: some files are missing from /usr/bin/ and /etc/ is empty. (epic fail) :(( Apr 11 16:39:10 Why do my FR's file systems keep getting corrupted? :(( **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Apr 12 02:59:56 2010