**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 16 03:00:02 2010
Apr 16 05:04:34 <i-pink> hii all
Apr 16 05:04:51 <i-pink> someone here?
Apr 16 05:06:51 <xelapond> i-pink: Hey
Apr 16 05:07:22 <i-pink> i get a moko from doron
Apr 16 05:07:32 <xelapond> doron?
Apr 16 05:07:42 <i-pink> doron ofek
Apr 16 05:08:02 <xelapond> Ah
Apr 16 05:08:23 <i-pink> you know him?
Apr 16 05:08:37 <xelapond> I think i've seen his name in the mailing lists
Apr 16 05:08:50 <i-pink> yes..
Apr 16 05:09:45 <i-pink> now.. how i can install hakabal?
Apr 16 05:09:56 <xelapond> Hackable:1?
Apr 16 05:10:19 <i-pink> i bay 4GB microsd for that
Apr 16 05:10:27 <i-pink> yes
Apr 16 05:10:38 <i-pink> Hackable:1
Apr 16 05:10:58 <xelapond> It's pretty easy; http://www.hackable1.org/wiki/Downloads
Apr 16 05:11:16 <xelapond> You can either put it on internal flash or the uSD card
Apr 16 05:11:20 <i-pink> what i need to download?
Apr 16 05:11:49 <xelapond> One second, I have to restart my irc client
Apr 16 05:12:49 <i-pink> hii again :)
Apr 16 05:12:53 <xelapond> Hi
Apr 16 05:12:59 <xelapond> I'd recommend you read this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner
Apr 16 05:14:28 <i-pink> complicated..
Apr 16 05:14:50 <i-pink> i think i give him the moko..
Apr 16 05:15:10 <i-pink> it's very hard
Apr 16 05:15:30 <xelapond> If you're looking for an end user phone Hackable:1 probably isn't for you
Apr 16 05:15:43 <xelapond> The Openmoko isn't really an end user phone at all
Apr 16 05:16:05 <xelapond> Have you looked at SHR?
Apr 16 05:16:21 <i-pink> i want something i can speak clearly..
Apr 16 05:16:47 <xelapond> Hm, I don't know much about the phone part of the openmoko
Apr 16 05:17:06 <i-pink> in SHR the people not hear me very good
Apr 16 05:17:10 <xelapond> I haven't found a way to speak clearly, and I haven't really needed it either
Apr 16 05:17:21 <xelapond> Has your moko been buzz fixed?
Apr 16 05:17:43 <i-pink> no
Apr 16 05:17:56 <i-pink> and it not the buzz problem
Apr 16 05:18:04 <xelapond> What is the problem?
Apr 16 05:18:23 <i-pink> cutting 
Apr 16 05:18:33 <xelapond> You mean the call ends?
Apr 16 05:18:42 <i-pink> dfdf __DFg___fdg____DFG-___dsfg___
Apr 16 05:18:43 <xelapond> Or it doesn't transmit any sound?
Apr 16 05:19:18 <i-pink> i hear part of the conversation
Apr 16 05:19:23 <xelapond> Ah
Apr 16 05:19:41 <xelapond> I'm not sure what the problem is then
Apr 16 05:19:52 <i-pink> and the other side get the same
Apr 16 05:20:01 <xelapond> The person selling you the freerunner might be able to help
Apr 16 05:20:41 <i-pink> i my friend moko with hakabal hear perfect!
Apr 16 05:21:02 <xelapond> Oh, that's good
Apr 16 05:21:17 <xelapond> Well, either follow the instructions I posted above or find someone to flash it for you
Apr 16 05:21:22 <xelapond> For now, I should be going
Apr 16 05:21:24 <xelapond> But good luck!
Apr 16 05:21:36 <i-pink> thanks
Apr 16 05:24:06 <i-pink> http://www.whatsup.org.il/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=52973
Apr 16 05:34:07 <i-pink> voidwalker, 
Apr 16 05:54:03 <i-pink> hii all
Apr 16 05:54:07 <i-pink> someone here?
Apr 16 06:02:56 <PaulFertser> i-pink: why ask stupid questions?
Apr 16 06:03:18 <i-pink> what stupid questions??
Apr 16 06:03:58 <PaulFertser> i-pink: channel list will show you there's plenty of people in here, so why ask?
Apr 16 06:04:41 <i-pink> nobody is answer to me
Apr 16 06:05:04 <PaulFertser> i-pink: what is your question?
Apr 16 06:05:34 <i-pink> how i can install hakabal on my moko
Apr 16 06:06:09 <PaulFertser> i-pink: i thought you already got the answer... Why not look at h:1 official docs anyway?
Apr 16 06:06:12 <i-pink> is the first time i try to do something with the moko 
Apr 16 06:06:22 <PaulFertser> i-pink: it's called hackable:1 , just google for it
Apr 16 06:06:47 <i-pink> i cant understend how to do it..
Apr 16 06:07:07 <i-pink> PaulFertser, i get this page
Apr 16 06:07:19 <i-pink> http://www.hackable1.org/wiki/Downloads
Apr 16 06:07:39 <i-pink> i need to download all the files?
Apr 16 06:08:29 <PaulFertser> i-pink: http://wiki.openmoko.org , read there about flashing NAND if you want h:1 on NAND and read there about booting from uSD if you want h:1 to be on uSD.
Apr 16 06:08:35 <marsan> you need the uImage.bin and the .jffs2
Apr 16 06:08:36 <PaulFertser> i-pink: what's your particular problem?
Apr 16 06:08:57 <i-pink> NAND??
Apr 16 06:09:03 <i-pink> uSD??
Apr 16 06:09:07 <PaulFertser> i-pink: wikipedia NAND
Apr 16 06:09:12 <PaulFertser> i-pink: wikipedia uSD
Apr 16 06:09:20 <i-pink> is the first time i work with moko
Apr 16 06:09:44 <PaulFertser> I thought uSDs are so damn common in portable devices it doesn't need additional clarifications.
Apr 16 06:10:51 <i-pink> you can guide me, step by step..
Apr 16 06:12:38 <PaulFertser> i-pink: you boot your PC by pressing power button for ~1 second. As soon as the OS is functional you usually need to enter your login name and password.
Apr 16 06:12:49 <PaulFertser> i-pink: then you need to find a way to start web-browser
Apr 16 06:13:19 <i-pink> ha ha ha
Apr 16 06:13:21 <PaulFertser> i-pink: it can be either an icon on your desktop or an entry in some submenu
Apr 16 06:13:29 <i-pink> not funny
Apr 16 06:14:02 <i-pink> i think i send the moko back..
Apr 16 06:16:12 <PaulFertser> I do not want to seem to be mean but being a portable general-purpose GSM-equipped GNU/Linux running device, openmoko freerunner is targeted for those who can read.
Apr 16 06:17:04 <i-pink> ok.. 
Apr 16 06:17:38 <i-pink> maybe moko is only for men
Apr 16 06:18:03 <PaulFertser> It's not of course
Apr 16 06:18:26 <PaulFertser> Women are equially capable of doing everything, i believe.
Apr 16 06:18:47 <i-pink> http://www.whatsup.org.il/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=52973
Apr 16 06:18:51 <i-pink> look^
Apr 16 06:19:15 <PaulFertser> i-pink: that said, currently freerunner is suitable only for those who has some *nix experience and have some free time and will to tinker. But it's not anyhow related to gender.
Apr 16 06:19:44 <PaulFertser> i-pink: i'm sorry but i can't read Hebrew
Apr 16 06:20:10 <i-pink> the photos...
Apr 16 06:20:34 <PaulFertser> Ok, i usually have pics off, let me enable it :)
Apr 16 06:20:57 <i-pink> ok..
Apr 16 06:21:01 <PaulFertser> i-pink: nice work!
Apr 16 06:21:35 <i-pink> you dont think is crazy?
Apr 16 06:21:35 <PaulFertser> BTW, i've pink pedals on my bicycle ;)
Apr 16 06:22:18 <i-pink> you are a woman?
Apr 16 06:22:43 <PaulFertser> i-pink: no
Apr 16 06:23:13 <i-pink> ok..
Apr 16 06:23:13 <PaulFertser> The pink costed less than black and moreover being bright they add safety on public roads.
Apr 16 06:23:17 <i-pink> cool
Apr 16 06:23:41 <i-pink> nice
Apr 16 06:23:56 <i-pink> the moko can run python
Apr 16 06:23:59 <i-pink> ?
Apr 16 06:24:07 <PaulFertser> :))) i like DIY approach, and your device looks nice after painting. Probably i'm too crazy to see its craziness :) 
Apr 16 06:24:19 <PaulFertser> i-pink: sure, openmoko can run python
Apr 16 06:24:38 <PaulFertser> i-pink: and almost any other language. But it comes with python pre-installed.
Apr 16 06:25:12 <i-pink> i want to send http links
Apr 16 06:25:36 <PaulFertser> To what, where?
Apr 16 06:25:56 <i-pink> ssh link...
Apr 16 06:26:03 <PaulFertser> i-pink: is Hebrew your native language?
Apr 16 06:26:06 <i-pink> like that
Apr 16 06:26:11 <i-pink> yes
Apr 16 06:27:10 <PaulFertser> i-pink: do you use GNU/Linux or other *nix system? If you do, i think you can imagine easily what to expect from the device because it's just a small portable pc running GNU/Linux.
Apr 16 06:27:17 <PaulFertser> You can do pretty much anything with it.
Apr 16 06:27:44 <i-pink> ssh myuser@myip -p 25356 ossmix vmix0-outvol -q -- +1 > /dev/null
Apr 16 06:28:10 <i-pink> something like that..
Apr 16 06:28:14 <i-pink> from the moko
Apr 16 06:28:27 <PaulFertser> i-pink: Yes, you can do that easily
Apr 16 06:28:56 <i-pink> but from the accelerometer..
Apr 16 06:29:20 <i-pink> if i jump the moko up is tern the vol up
Apr 16 06:30:32 <PaulFertser> i-pink: it's possible if you write a program to do that. Shouldn't be hard, and is a good opportunity to learn something new.
Apr 16 06:30:50 <i-pink> cool
Apr 16 06:30:50 <PaulFertser> There was a gesture recognition project but i'm not sure it's still alive.
Apr 16 06:31:15 <i-pink> gesture recognition??
Apr 16 06:31:53 <PaulFertser> i-pink: if you want to learn, if you're into tinkering and DIYing in general and into programming in particular openmoko community is a great place to do cool things with.
Apr 16 06:32:23 <i-pink> i love cool HWhacks..
Apr 16 06:32:24 <PaulFertser> i-pink: yes, a project to recognise some complex motions (with accelerometers) and run associated actions.
Apr 16 06:32:47 <PaulFertser> i-pink: can you solder? Is your freerunner buzz-fixed.
Apr 16 06:33:04 <i-pink> i soldering best!!
Apr 16 06:33:45 <i-pink> go to my ip on port 982
Apr 16 06:35:09 <PaulFertser> i-pink: ok, i see the form
Apr 16 06:35:31 * JaMa too
Apr 16 06:35:37 <i-pink> is my lamp
Apr 16 06:35:50 <JaMa> it doesn't look like lamp in elinks :)
Apr 16 06:36:21 <PaulFertser> i-pink: if your freerunner is not buzz-fixed (your seller should know) then you need to do a little SMD soldering: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buzz_Fix
Apr 16 06:36:46 <i-pink> smd.. is not my problem
Apr 16 06:37:36 <i-pink> installing hakabal is the main problem...
Apr 16 06:37:49 <i-pink> i buy 4GB micro SD for that
Apr 16 06:38:06 <PaulFertser> i-pink: Yeah, the hardest is desoldering 0402 R, once you do that, everything else is easy :) You can also do bassfix to use your freerunner as a portable player: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_bass_fix
Apr 16 06:38:31 <PaulFertser> i-pink: so is this webform controlling light in your room? How do you connect your lamp to PC?
Apr 16 06:38:58 <i-pink> it work on USB to rs232
Apr 16 06:39:18 <i-pink> i get very old moko..
Apr 16 06:39:34 <i-pink> i have 4 or 5 HW fixing todo..
Apr 16 06:41:44 <PaulFertser> i-pink: that's not bad, in fact after doing hw reworks you'll get more attached to it ;)
Apr 16 06:42:18 <i-pink> what do you mean?
Apr 16 06:45:44 <PaulFertser> i-pink: i mean i hope you'll love your freerunner :)
Apr 16 06:46:14 <i-pink> i love it allot!!1
Apr 16 06:46:40 <i-pink> but i need help with the installtion
Apr 16 06:46:47 <PaulFertser> i-pink: it really gives many opportunities, including (to me it's the most important one) integration in a great community. Here you'll find cool hw hackers, cool python programmers, cool low-level tinkerers and so on.
Apr 16 06:47:17 <PaulFertser> i-pink: why do you want H:1? Most community members use/work on SHR. Are you sure you do not want SHR? ;)
Apr 16 06:47:45 <i-pink> i have the SHR and the sound soooooooo bad
Apr 16 06:48:25 <PaulFertser> i-pink: how exactly is it bad? Is it bad for you or for the other side? Is it possible it's the famous gsm buzz?
Apr 16 06:48:39 <i-pink> and my friend install the H:1 and the sound sooo good!
Apr 16 06:48:59 <i-pink> and he dont nake the buzz fix
Apr 16 06:49:32 <PaulFertser> There's no software workaround if it's gsm buzz. And buzz depends on many factors, including area, operator etc etc.
Apr 16 06:50:26 <PaulFertser> Basically, every unfixed device is suspectible to buzz. But some folks are lucky enough to experience it rarely due to various factors.
Apr 16 06:51:13 <i-pink> but me and him not make the buzz fix
Apr 16 06:52:12 <PaulFertser> i-pink: have you tried using your device in exactly the same place he used his with the same operator?
Apr 16 06:52:30 <i-pink> yes
Apr 16 06:52:52 <PaulFertser> i-pink: btw, on SHR you have two volume sliders (for mic and for speaker), so you might need to tweak it during call to get acceptable quality.
Apr 16 06:52:57 <i-pink> my moko hear like wrwe___ERE_RE_RE_RE_R_R____EWR_WER_R_
Apr 16 06:53:22 <PaulFertser> Try tweaking the sliders...
Apr 16 06:53:33 <i-pink> is not quality is cutting all the time
Apr 16 06:53:36 <i-pink> i try it..
Apr 16 06:54:59 <PaulFertser> i-pink: btw, freerunners are different, some has stupid capacitors in the earpiece path, some do not, and there's no way to tell it by revision number or date. So it's possible you got different models and so default SHR settings are not suitable.
Apr 16 06:55:04 <i-pink> in very very low vol in the mic.. the sound hear without cuttings but in very low vol
Apr 16 06:56:06 <i-pink> but on the SHR in mt friend moko is tha same
Apr 16 06:58:18 <PaulFertser> i-pink: hm, then it means the volume settings need tweaking. I can assure you SHR is in full control of all the settings so it's a matter of you finding proper settings for your device.
Apr 16 06:59:04 <i-pink> and the gui in the h:1 work fasssst
Apr 16 07:00:57 <PaulFertser> i-pink: well, ok, if you like h:1, go ahead, np :) But you need to decide whether you want to run it from NAND or from uSD
Apr 16 07:01:07 <PaulFertser> That's the first step.
Apr 16 07:01:42 <i-pink> uSD is the micro sd?
Apr 16 07:02:08 <i-pink> what is better?
Apr 16 07:02:36 <PaulFertser> i-pink: yes, u is a latin approximation of greek letter \mu which is used to mean "micro" :)
Apr 16 07:03:28 <PaulFertser> i-pink: i'd install to SD to have "unlimited" space for additional programs. In fact i use only Debian on my FR, and it runs from SD.
Apr 16 07:03:47 <i-pink> on SD!
Apr 16 07:06:37 <PaulFertser> i-pink: do you have u-boot or Qi?
Apr 16 07:07:22 <i-pink> what?
Apr 16 07:07:22 <PaulFertser> i-pink: it's the bootloader
Apr 16 07:07:22 <i-pink> how i check?
Apr 16 07:08:21 <PaulFertser> i-pink: hm, if you do not know, i suggest you install Qi. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi then you use your laptop's cardreader to make a single large ext3 partition on uSD, untar the rootfs there, copy kernel to /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin there.
Apr 16 07:09:42 <i-pink> the guy are give me he moko say i need to make 8Mb of FAT16 partition on uSD 
Apr 16 07:09:47 <i-pink> for the boot
Apr 16 07:12:01 <PaulFertser> i-pink: if you use Qi, it's not needed
Apr 16 07:12:43 <PaulFertser> i-pink: i prefer Qi: it's simple and easy, i do not need menus etc to select my single debian install :)
Apr 16 07:14:02 <i-pink> but is not a dual boot between the  SHR and the H:1
Apr 16 07:14:04 <i-pink> OMG!!
Apr 16 07:14:15 <i-pink> i need to buy card reader!
Apr 16 07:14:58 <PaulFertser> i-pink: you can flash to NAND and then use your FR as a device with integrated cardreader.
Apr 16 07:15:09 <PaulFertser> s/flash to/flash an OS to/
Apr 16 07:15:09 <apt> PaulFertser meant: i-pink: you can flash an OS to NAND and then use your FR as a device with integrated cardreader.
Apr 16 07:15:49 <PaulFertser> i-pink: you can have easy enough dualboot between H:1 on uSD and SHR on NAND, just read the Qi wikipage.
Apr 16 07:15:51 <mjr> yeah the fat partition on the sd is mostly needed for u-boot's default configuration (and not even u-boot at least if you have a newer version and configure it properly)
Apr 16 07:17:30 <PaulFertser> mjr: i think even the latest "openmoko" u-boot doesn't support sane inode sizes for ext2/ext3.
Apr 16 07:18:27 <i-pink> i go to bay card reader
Apr 16 07:20:12 <mjr> PaulFertser, okay
Apr 16 07:25:13 <i-pink> http://www.officedepot.co.il/catalog/catalogSku.do;jsessionid=0000wvElJU_vjPOptIsh3NWYA9J:12bbi68k5?id=4216222&pr=QJ5&N=2
Apr 16 07:29:49 <i-pink> i back in 2 hours
Apr 16 07:30:16 <i-pink> PaulFertser, you be here?
Apr 16 08:06:58 <PaulFertser> i-pink: yep
Apr 16 08:09:07 <PaulFertser> i-pink: i'm always here :D
Apr 16 08:09:50 <marsan> PaulFertser: You always answer questions too?
Apr 16 10:32:32 <Fox_Muldr> does anyone have a workig openocd.cfg for gta02 and debug board v3? i want to experiment a bit with my new debug board :)
Apr 16 10:35:27 <Fox_Muldr> i tried the one from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_OpenOCD#openocd.cfg but it throws a few errors and openocd doesnt work
Apr 16 10:39:28 <Fox_Muldr> but to be true i don't know if the connection to my neo is physically working correct. i opened the virtual serial port but with 115200 8N1 i only see some zeros in it while booting
Apr 16 10:39:39 <PaulFertser> Fox_Muldr: openocd config file format changed a bit :)
Apr 16 10:40:51 <Fox_Muldr> i use openocd 0.4.0 for win. i read that it changed quite a bit so i hoped the 0.2.0 from the wiki would work
Apr 16 10:41:15 <Fox_Muldr> but it always says that it can't find the ftdi device in the console
Apr 16 10:41:24 <PaulFertser> Fox_Muldr: 0.4.0 != 0.2.0, quite a difference. But i can assure you it should work after little tweaking.
Apr 16 10:41:52 <Fox_Muldr> do you know what tweaking is needed to get it working? :)
Apr 16 10:43:34 <PaulFertser> Fox_Muldr: are you sure it says it can't find ft2232 in console?
Apr 16 10:43:54 <PaulFertser> Fox_Muldr: because the config file you gave me a link should work at least up to the point of finding it.
Apr 16 10:45:37 <Fox_Muldr> on the wiki is the one i posted and a bit below a newer version for 0.2.0 but both says that they can't find the ftdi device. the driver was installed correctly and now i have a virtual serial and additionally two usb devices named "Neo1973 JTAG" and "Neo1973 Serial Port"
Apr 16 10:46:05 <PaulFertser> Fox_Muldr: and instead of "jtag device" and everything later use "source [find target/samsung_s3c2440.cfg]"
Apr 16 10:46:52 <PaulFertser> Fox_Muldr: what's usb ids for those?
Apr 16 10:47:02 <Fox_Muldr> yes that is now in my openocd.cfg after i tried the second cfg from the wiki
Apr 16 10:47:30 <Fox_Muldr> they should be correct. it's VIP1457 and PID5118
Apr 16 10:47:38 <Fox_Muldr> VID
Apr 16 10:48:04 <PaulFertser> Fox_Muldr: is it self-compiled openocd? Probably you miss libftdi support.
Apr 16 10:48:09 <Fox_Muldr> MI00 for JTAG and MI01 for serial port
Apr 16 10:48:35 <Fox_Muldr> i used a precompiled from the net
Apr 16 10:48:53 <PaulFertser> Fox_Muldr: make sure it's compiled with libftdi support.
Apr 16 10:49:06 <Fox_Muldr> i take a look what it provided
Apr 16 10:49:06 <PaulFertser> Fox_Muldr: oh, are you using windows port?
Apr 16 10:49:10 <Fox_Muldr> yes
Apr 16 10:49:12 <PaulFertser> Fox_Muldr: heh
Apr 16 10:49:17 <PaulFertser> Fox_Muldr: then there's a gotcha:
Apr 16 10:49:34 <PaulFertser> Fox_Muldr: windows port uses either libftdi or ftd2xx (or something).
Apr 16 10:49:54 <PaulFertser> Fox_Muldr: you need corresponding driver, the one that works for libftdi doesn't work for ftd2xx and vice-versa.
Apr 16 10:50:03 <Fox_Muldr> hmm ok
Apr 16 10:50:25 <Fox_Muldr> i search for what version it uses
Apr 16 10:51:35 <Fox_Muldr> ok it says that the win version was compiled with libftdi + libusb-win32 and not ftd2xx.dll
Apr 16 10:52:02 <Fox_Muldr> because of gplv2 license incompatibility
Apr 16 10:53:37 <Fox_Muldr> but if i'm correct than the ftdi driver installed for the device uses ftd2xx.dll
Apr 16 10:54:46 <Fox_Muldr> so i should install not the standard ftdi driver for win but instead some alternative version which uses libftdi to get it to work?
Apr 16 10:56:01 <PaulFertser> Fox_Muldr: exactly
Apr 16 10:56:16 <PaulFertser> Fox_Muldr: libftdi uses windows libusb port
Apr 16 10:56:23 <PaulFertser> So it's not really a non-standard driver.
Apr 16 10:56:25 <Fox_Muldr> ok, than i only have to find the corresponding libftdi driver for windows :)
Apr 16 10:56:37 <PaulFertser> Yes, it's ~easy :)
Apr 16 10:58:29 <Fox_Muldr> ok i found the homepage of libftdi but there are only sources and not installable binary for windows. the same goes for lubusb. it seems to be a harder task to get it working with windows instead of linux ;)
Apr 16 11:01:11 <PaulFertser> Fox_Muldr: it's harder task to use windows usually for anything
Apr 16 11:02:22 <Fox_Muldr> i see that i could install libftdi.dll and libusb0.dll while installing the win version of openocd. and these two dll's are beside the openocd.exe. but it seems that this isn't enough for it to work correctly
Apr 16 11:02:57 <PaulFertser> Fox_Muldr: http://libusb-win32.sourceforge.net
Apr 16 11:03:41 <Fox_Muldr> thanks
Apr 16 11:04:05 <Fox_Muldr> but i don't know if they will work with my win7 64bit version
Apr 16 11:04:47 <PaulFertser> Fox_Muldr: http://www.freddiechopin.info/index.php/en
Apr 16 11:05:16 <Fox_Muldr> from there i got my openocd version for win
Apr 16 11:06:12 <Fox_Muldr> this win version included libftdi and libusb for win. and i already installed them with it but it seems not to work. maybe because i use a 64bit os :)
Apr 16 11:06:21 <PaulFertser> Fox_Muldr: hm, yes, i see. You can try to google if libusb-win32 already supports win7 64 bit or not.
Apr 16 11:06:33 <PaulFertser> Probably there's a newer version
Apr 16 11:06:43 <Fox_Muldr> i see that there is a experimental openocd-dev version for 64bit os
Apr 16 11:07:07 <Fox_Muldr> i will try this version now. i think it has better chances of working
Apr 16 11:07:53 <PaulFertser> Fox_Muldr: but you'll need to tweak your windows to install unsigned drivers i guess.
Apr 16 11:08:03 <PaulFertser> Fox_Muldr: (for libftdi way)
Apr 16 11:08:13 <Fox_Muldr> i already have disabled driver checking because it is anoying ;)
Apr 16 11:08:14 <PaulFertser> Fox_Muldr: are you sure you really need to use windows for debugging?
Apr 16 11:08:37 <Fox_Muldr> no, i only want to try the debug board out a bit
Apr 16 11:08:56 <Fox_Muldr> it was a free givt with my last order for a new gta02 battery ;)
Apr 16 11:09:05 <Fox_Muldr> gift
Apr 16 11:11:31 <Fox_Muldr> i also read that the virtual serial port could show kernel debug messages. does this work by default or do i have to add some kernel boot parameter for this?
Apr 16 11:12:10 <PaulFertser> Fox_Muldr: it should work by default, you should see kernel debug messages
Apr 16 11:12:42 <Fox_Muldr> and 115200 8N1 is the right connection setting?
Apr 16 11:12:50 <PaulFertser> Fox_Muldr: if you just want to try the debug board, why do not you just try it at home?
Apr 16 11:12:55 <PaulFertser> Yes, right.
Apr 16 11:13:00 <Fox_Muldr> i am at home
Apr 16 11:13:13 <Fox_Muldr> got free today ;)
Apr 16 11:15:02 <Fox_Muldr> but my only linux pc is one floor downstairs and used as a server. so it is a bit difficult to work with it at the current place
Apr 16 11:16:56 <PaulFertser> Win64 at home? pity
Apr 16 11:16:58 <PaulFertser> ;)
Apr 16 11:17:03 <Fox_Muldr> hehe
Apr 16 11:17:25 <Fox_Muldr> the 64bit version of openocd has 64bit linusb drivers packed with it. i will try these
Apr 16 11:43:56 <Fox_Muldr> hmm libusb installed with warnings but still no luck. i think i will try it tomorrow with a second linux pc again. for today i have to do more important things now. :)
Apr 16 12:44:46 <i-pink> PaulFertser, i BACK!
Apr 16 12:45:06 <PaulFertser> i-pink: yo
Apr 16 12:45:07 <PaulFertser> :)
Apr 16 12:45:26 <i-pink> i have a card reader now
Apr 16 14:14:00 <zub> hi
Apr 16 14:15:15 <zub> a simple question: That coax (MMCX?) connector on the right side of the FreeRunner... that is for external GPS antenna?
Apr 16 14:19:09 <Wonka> yes
Apr 16 14:20:40 <zub> I wonder how useful is that. I'm using the FR + TangoGPS to do some OSM mapping and I'd like to get better GPS precision. Would an external GPS antenna help?
Apr 16 14:20:46 <SpeedEvil> zub: yes
Apr 16 14:20:50 <SpeedEvil> zub: maybe
Apr 16 14:21:07 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Accuracy
Apr 16 14:21:17 <SpeedEvil> the pink trace is a neo1973 - with the internal antenna
Apr 16 14:21:25 <SpeedEvil> dealextreme has some cheap suitable GPSs
Apr 16 14:21:27 <SpeedEvil> ants
Apr 16 14:21:49 <soltys> SpeedEvil: could you give a link or sku  ?
Apr 16 14:22:18 <SpeedEvil> no, sorry - no idea which one I bought
Apr 16 14:22:31 <zub> thanks
Apr 16 14:22:45 <SpeedEvil> there are - IIRC - two - it was a magnetic base amplified one - one has the right cable, one doesn't.
Apr 16 14:22:49 <SpeedEvil> get the one with the right connector
Apr 16 14:23:04 <soltys> ok will look for that
Apr 16 14:23:10 <soltys> thanks for info ;)
Apr 16 14:29:07 <soltys> SpeedEvil: is it this one ?
Apr 16 14:29:08 <soltys> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.14926
Apr 16 15:07:14 <SpeedEvil> looks similar
Apr 16 15:07:21 <SpeedEvil> i can't comment on if the plug is the right one
Apr 16 16:21:22 <elopio> hello. I've just switched back to shr-unstable.
Apr 16 16:21:34 <elopio> and I can't see my contacts. Any idea of what can I do?
Apr 16 16:23:22 <PaulFertser> elopio: what opimd backend were/are you using to store them?
Apr 16 16:23:34 <PaulFertser> marsan: yes, i do, at least i try
Apr 16 16:23:41 <marsan> :)
Apr 16 16:24:26 <elopio> PaulFertser: I don't know what is an opimd backend.
Apr 16 16:25:02 <PaulFertser> elopio: hm, it's the way opimd stores data.
Apr 16 16:25:14 <PaulFertser> elopio: it can be sim or csv file or sqlite database etc
Apr 16 16:25:19 <elopio> I just have them on the sim card. As were stored by my previous prehistoric phone.
Apr 16 16:25:42 <elopio> ok, then I use the sim as opimd backend :)
Apr 16 16:25:51 <PaulFertser> elopio: i suggest you search SHR ml archives, there were elaborate instructions about migrating contacts from sim.
Apr 16 16:26:23 <elopio> ok, I will do.
Apr 16 16:26:23 <PaulFertser> I'm not sure but probably opimd no longer supports SIM as primary means of contact storage.
Apr 16 16:26:54 <elopio> that's new, because I remember I used to access the contacts without problems.
Apr 16 16:26:58 <elopio> well, thanks PaulFertser 
Apr 16 16:27:56 <PaulFertser> elopio: i migrated my contacts with one mdbus command to retrieve them from SIM, then started vim, a couple of commands including :%s/blablabla/opimd-cli c add Name \1 Telephone \2/ , then "sh <file>" blablabla
Apr 16 16:28:21 <PaulFertser> But it's "leet" way, i think shr devs recommend using pisi instead.
Apr 16 16:28:32 <PaulFertser> elopio: and also recent shr-settings version have an option for that.
Apr 16 16:28:47 <PaulFertser> It's just that i do not use SHR, i rather use some parts of it on debian.
Apr 16 16:29:42 <elopio> hey, you are right. I found an application called sim manager on shr settings.
Apr 16 16:29:48 <elopio> It has all my contacts :)
Apr 16 16:30:01 <elopio> thanks PaulFertser!
Apr 16 16:30:12 <PaulFertser> elopio: welcome
Apr 16 16:30:57 <elopio> I'm loving this thing.
Apr 16 16:31:18 <elopio> ventura is great. I think that now I'll stick with shr :D
Apr 16 19:40:29 <swoody> So how tough is the FR? It looks pretty bulky. Does anybody know if anyone out there has done any kind of stress tests with them?
Apr 16 19:40:44 * swoody isn't planning on destroying his FR, just curious :)
Apr 16 19:51:28 <marsan> hey
Apr 16 19:51:41 <marsan> how do i take screenshot in the latest SHR?
Apr 16 19:53:12 <JesusMcCloud> swoody, my list of accidents:
Apr 16 19:54:42 <JesusMcCloud> dropped down the stairs, got rammed into the edge of a table display out front, fell from my desk a couple of times, a friend could fetch it when i threw it at him, it was laying at the edje of the table and i accidentally flipped it to the wall... and it is still working
Apr 16 19:54:54 <JesusMcCloud> all in all it seems indestrucable
Apr 16 19:55:06 <swoody> JesusMcCloud: that's very good to hear :) 
Apr 16 19:55:16 <swoody> not for your phone, but in general ;)
Apr 16 19:55:29 <JesusMcCloud> marsan, install gpe-scap!
Apr 16 19:55:33 <marsan> ok
Apr 16 20:00:00 <marsan> JesusMcCloud: thanks, it worked 
Apr 16 20:14:51 <i-pink> PaulFertser, i BACK!
Apr 16 20:14:52 <i-pink> PaulFertser, i BACK!
Apr 16 20:14:54 <i-pink> i have a card reader now
Apr 16 20:14:55 <i-pink> i have a card reader now
Apr 16 21:04:53 <kirun> What's up with opkg.org ... AVG threw a fit saying it linked to a dangerous site
Apr 16 21:05:08 <kirun> I think it was this in the source: <script src="http://crewamerica.ru:8080/google.com/yelp.com/google.com.php" defer=""></script>
Apr 17 01:51:01 <Kamping_Kaiser> how is SHR testing atm, save to image onto an fr? :)
Apr 17 01:51:07 <Kamping_Kaiser> *safe
Apr 17 02:01:20 <zeroedout> everything distro out there so far is safe, some are just less stable. SHR -t is quite stable rarely requires a reboot
Apr 17 02:42:03 <Kamping_Kaiser> wonder if the media player works yet.
Apr 17 02:42:10 * Kamping_Kaiser has just finished his image :)
Apr 17 02:42:31 <d1b> Kamping_Kaiser: oh god no the end is nei - or not 
Apr 17 02:45:17 <Kamping_Kaiser> does shr still go to sleep when you are trying to gps trail?
Apr 17 02:46:10 <JesusMcCloud> Kamping_Kaiser, if you want edit the .desktop file of you gps app
Apr 17 02:47:43 <Kamping_Kaiser> JesusMcCloud: atm i just disble suspend whiel trailing
Apr 17 02:48:54 <JesusMcCloud> Kamping_Kaiser, the exec line in the .dekstop file add 'fsoraw -r <ressource> before the command (resource can be Diaplay, or CPU in you case, depends if you watnt the display to stay on or just prohibit suspend)
Apr 17 02:51:09 <Kamping_Kaiser> JesusMcCloud: thanks, hwen i get ssh working i'll fix up the file
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