**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 23 02:59:56 2010 Apr 23 04:43:12 ... Apr 23 04:43:15 this is really insane Apr 23 04:43:29 me is trying to compile shr-launcher from svn Apr 23 04:43:36 ...i am Apr 23 04:44:20 anywho, either i'm crazy, or the guy set anjuta's environment-wide includes to the ones necessary for compiling, versus project-wide Apr 23 04:49:16 hey, DocScrutinizer-8, want a challenge? Apr 23 05:43:52 rooly: np Apr 23 05:43:58 rooly: what error do you get? Apr 23 05:44:09 rooly: basically you need gcc, libc6-dev and binutils. Apr 23 05:55:51 is there any way to choose which packages should be included into image and which not? Apr 23 07:21:00 anyone have any experiance with G1's ? Apr 23 07:26:44 riktking: yes, GNUtoo and leviathan. Apr 23 07:27:40 riktking: i guess you want to read the latest mail by Mickey at smartphones-userland ML wrt support of HTC Dream. Apr 23 07:30:12 nice one Apr 23 07:31:06 thanks Apr 23 08:20:57 GIT connection reset by peer Apr 23 08:21:05 GIT service down? Apr 23 08:38:33 btw. I forgot to tell yesterday, apparently http://build.shr-project.org/sources/git_git.openmoko.org.git.kernel.git.tar.gz is missing some files making it impossible to compile a kernel from it (for example the asm directory) Apr 23 08:38:48 and yes, I did git reset --hard Apr 23 08:39:49 pulling from the OM repo still doesn't work. I'd really like to compile my kernel finally :/ Apr 23 08:40:05 did anyone else try ? or is it a problem on my part ? Apr 23 08:41:13 I'm trying to get the src too Apr 23 08:41:34 siebz0r, are you getting this too? fatal: read error: Connection reset by peer Apr 23 08:41:39 y Apr 23 08:41:54 can you clone from http? Apr 23 08:41:55 so looks like the git server is down or something, right ? Apr 23 08:42:11 looks like it Apr 23 08:42:13 siebz0r, ah.. I didn't know you could Apr 23 08:42:25 siebz0r, you just replace the git:// by http:// ? Apr 23 08:42:33 I think so :) Apr 23 08:42:34 in .git/config Apr 23 08:42:38 I'll try Apr 23 08:43:12 siebz0r, oh yes ! I got communication :) Apr 23 08:43:17 error: Your local changes to '.mailmap' would be overwritten by merge. Aborting. Apr 23 08:43:22 this again, but I know how to solve it Apr 23 08:43:31 -f parameter ;-) Apr 23 08:44:22 thats really nifty.. why do a git server when it can sync over reliable http ? Apr 23 08:44:39 try this checkout: http://build.shr-project.org/sources/git_git.openmoko.org.git.kernel.git_e62a4ae1c6783f41b41a9ac3d258786586b65a40.tar.gz but that's not the git repo, ist just the code Apr 23 08:45:04 Heinervdm, I'd prefer the repo so I can keep up to date easily Apr 23 08:45:16 since it works again via http, I'm happy :) Apr 23 08:45:32 siebz0r, thanks for your suggestion Apr 23 08:45:39 It works? Apr 23 08:45:46 siebz0r, yep Apr 23 08:45:49 NICE Apr 23 08:46:08 siebz0r, in your git repo, open .git/config and modify the source URL, thats all you need to do Apr 23 08:46:18 I couldn't get the git repo, so I wanted to try it :P no idea it would work Apr 23 08:46:50 siebz0r, you can get it faster by getting the shr git kernel tarball Apr 23 08:47:05 sicu, but its missing some vital files so you need to pull before you can use it Apr 23 08:47:13 yeah, first get the tarball, then git pull Apr 23 08:47:15 its here: http://build.shr-project.org/sources/git_git.openmoko.org.git.kernel.git.tar.gz Apr 23 08:47:32 siebz0r, before pull, you need to rewrite the config to get from http instead of git Apr 23 08:47:53 also you need to do git reset --hard (which places files from repo to working directory) Apr 23 08:52:18 wget tarball ; git reset --hard ; git pull http://gitrepo ; git checkout branch Apr 23 08:52:33 that's the way it should be (I think) Apr 23 08:52:54 so which branch is leading edge nowadays? andy-tracking, ar6000 or gdrm ? Apr 23 08:53:31 siebz0r, or you can modify the .git/config and just write git pull :) Apr 23 08:53:43 siebz0r, but it should work too I think Apr 23 08:54:09 I think andy-tracking, this should be the most up-to-date branch Apr 23 08:54:37 http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=summary here's the info I found Apr 23 08:55:14 siebz0r, looks like gdrm has newer commits, but I dunno how stable it is or what it is anyway Apr 23 08:55:35 I guess whatever fixes glamo is good Apr 23 09:01:51 btw. is there a way to autoconfigure wiki on kernel boot (to have rootfs on nfs over wifi) ? Apr 23 09:01:56 *wifi Apr 23 09:02:28 not that I know Apr 23 09:03:35 wifi needs an application to opperate, wifi can't go over BIOS (or firmware or whatever). Apr 23 09:03:42 ok gdrm doesn't even compile Apr 23 09:03:43 drivers/mfd/glamo/glamo-core.c:1075: error: too few arguments to function 'set_irq_noprobe' Apr 23 09:04:00 do you use the build script? Apr 23 09:04:19 nope, but I compiled OM kernel from git plenty of times Apr 23 09:06:31 hmm.. Apr 23 09:06:50 'cause the wiki says that you have to use the build script Apr 23 09:07:20 I can cross compile a kernel and make a dfu image. it worked for me 10 times or so Apr 23 09:11:30 I've never compiled a OM kernel, so I don't know Apr 23 09:11:48 but I would say; giv it a try Apr 23 09:13:16 hah, my mistake, I used a bad .config. I'll give gdrm another try Apr 23 09:14:21 what are the advantages of gdrm? Apr 23 09:14:42 siebz0r, I have no idea. But it has 4 days old commits as opposed to andy-tracking Apr 23 09:17:27 first hit @ google: 2.6.32 kernel Apr 23 09:17:36 that's newer than on my laptop :') Apr 23 09:20:55 hmm.. no gta02-pm-wlan.c:(.text+0x3c8): undefined reference to `pcf50633_bl_set_brightness_limit' Apr 23 09:21:30 me can't link the kernel Apr 23 09:22:52 looks like someone is missing dependency for BACKLIGHT_PCF50633 Apr 23 09:24:05 has anyone implimented animation on incoming call/sms? Apr 23 09:24:07 shr Apr 23 09:24:45 badcloud, you can get fso to launch mplayer on incoming call, lol Apr 23 09:25:12 cool, how? Apr 23 09:25:20 badcloud, oh boy.. Apr 23 09:25:53 cz_jc: didn't pick up on the sarcasm Apr 23 09:25:57 shame on you ;) Apr 23 09:26:12 badcloud, well, you'll need to read up on the dbus interface and figure something out Apr 23 09:26:17 right Apr 23 09:26:51 badcloud, why would you want to see an animation on incoming call on a phone that barely manages to show a normal dialog window in time ? Apr 23 09:27:28 idealy it would be embedded in the dialog window Apr 23 09:28:02 badcloud, then you'd have to modify the frontend apps that get launched when you get a call then Apr 23 09:28:09 got it Apr 23 09:28:10 thanks Apr 23 09:28:13 np Apr 23 09:45:01 siebz0r: 2.6.32-gdrm contains "experimental" KMS/DRM stuff for Glamo Apr 23 09:45:45 experimental <3 Apr 23 09:50:13 http://www.bitwiz.org.uk/s/dri-for-the-freerunner.html Apr 23 10:44:56 good afternoon Apr 23 10:45:45 * eMBee just got a neo freerunner off a friend and flashed it with the latest shr testing image Apr 23 10:47:07 i put a simcard inside, but for some reason i can't turn on GSM Apr 23 10:50:38 Does simcard have PIN enabled? Apr 23 10:51:07 we,, the card is working in another phone Apr 23 10:51:17 eMBee: is GSM firmware the latest? Apr 23 10:51:33 i believe so, i flasshed gsm firmware yesterday Apr 23 10:52:23 eMBee: than i'd suggest you to take a look at the framework logs to try to find out what and why happens with gsm activation. Apr 23 10:52:36 ok Apr 23 10:56:12 eMBee: and of course the usual advice on cleaning the sim holder contacts applies. Apr 23 10:56:35 kernel modules? Apr 23 10:56:54 siebz0r: not needed for gsm Apr 23 10:57:16 :> Apr 23 10:57:57 speaking of sim, the card only has 6 contacts, but the phone has 8. could that be a problem? Apr 23 10:59:22 eMBee: latest testing image seems to have some problems. You can try an older one. Apr 23 10:59:32 but don't ask wich one :P Apr 23 10:59:45 oh, heh Apr 23 11:00:15 eMBee: if you have an error in your /var/log/frameworkd.log about python _ctypes Apr 23 11:00:18 then just upgrade Apr 23 11:00:27 that should be fixed Apr 23 11:21:42 ok, thanks, i'll look into that Apr 23 11:23:03 * eMBee tried to install android yesterday but that failed totally, flashing was stuck at a white screen... Apr 23 14:03:45 ~ignore DocScrutinizer Apr 23 14:03:46 * apt sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, DocScrutinizer!" Apr 23 15:12:53 Hi there Apr 23 15:41:55 damn it why isn't there going to be a 0m3 Apr 23 15:41:58 om3 * Apr 23 15:42:10 the om2 was ok but neeedz 3g Apr 23 15:46:12 Because finding a backer is hard - especially now the n900 has decapitated the market. Apr 23 15:46:45 You've - to get decent sales - either to come in at a fraction of the n900s price - hard, or to beat it on features - essentially impossible. Apr 23 15:47:07 A serious attempt at a new phone will cost a large fraction of a million dollars. Apr 23 15:47:15 the n900 looks nice Apr 23 15:47:38 For development, and maybe an initial batch of 2000 Apr 23 15:47:51 did the om2 cost that much? Apr 23 15:47:57 / om2 make even? Apr 23 15:48:04 But at 2000, you're nowhere near interesting volumes from many vendors, and sourcing parts will be really hard. Apr 23 15:48:35 OM was able - as I understand it - at least initially - to piggyback sourcing on FIC - which made their tasks easier. Apr 23 15:48:57 OM - the company - has reportedy no interest in making new phones. Apr 23 15:49:25 :( Apr 23 15:50:25 the n900 is indeed nice. Apr 23 15:50:32 yes i don't have one tho :( Apr 23 15:50:49 It has some openness issues, but is overall quite open. Apr 23 15:50:51 can it run x11 apps? Apr 23 15:51:16 yes Apr 23 15:51:26 oh neat Apr 23 15:51:35 maemo is currently based around gtk Apr 23 15:51:51 though with a library on top. QT is being added to the mix. Apr 23 15:51:58 next firmware update Apr 23 15:52:12 ok Apr 23 15:52:20 why qt... Apr 23 15:52:26 well rather why move from gtk to qt Apr 23 15:52:32 despite nokia owning qt Apr 23 15:53:32 Meego is based around qt - or is planned to be. Apr 23 15:53:55 meego = maemo + moblin. - nokia+intel Apr 23 15:55:43 I think it's quite hard to try to quit users from nokia with a cellphone that is oriented to geeks like OpenMoko Apr 23 15:56:22 mm? Apr 23 15:58:32 Cristianpark: I mean - if you are buying a phone - you have to be really hardcore to ignore the n900, compared to a hypoterical third OM device - even if the OM device is completely open - unless it's also substantially cheaper. Apr 23 15:59:27 Cristianpark: As the n900 is quite open - you can develop in any language you like - flash a new kernel, even a whole new OS. (though you will need some nokia binaries running in a chroot) Apr 23 16:01:50 SpeedEvil: I agree with you, I complement your comments with saying that OM can't win against a nokia or other stablish company cellphone, when the FreeRunner is more to geeks than to final users 'cause his hardware/software bugs Apr 23 16:02:52 OM could have - IMO - brought out a slightly tweaked version of gta01 - with a - slightly - more polished 2007.* stack - and had a usable basic phone ready for xmas 2007. Apr 23 16:03:02 Which would have been a compelling device. Apr 23 16:03:32 hahaha and not reinvent the software in different libs 3 / 4 times ! Apr 23 16:03:33 But it seemed at that point that 02 would be so much shinier that waiting for new hardware wasn't an insane decision. Apr 23 16:03:37 yes. Apr 23 16:04:00 That wouldn't have been so much of an issue if they were nokia. And could put a hundred people on it. Apr 23 16:04:07 Doing that on a shoestring however... Apr 23 16:04:23 SHR proves it can be done Apr 23 16:04:25 with FSO Apr 23 16:04:30 etc. Apr 23 16:05:26 yes. Apr 23 16:05:36 But 2-3 years late. Apr 23 16:05:40 (for commerciality) Apr 23 16:05:54 sure Apr 23 16:06:33 In some ways of course - n900 is bad for hacking. In that it's a working system. Apr 23 16:06:45 And I don't want to bork it, and have my mp3/.. player not work Apr 23 16:07:24 OpenMoko give us something another cellphone can't give us: Almost Absolutely Freedom. But face it: most users doesn't care about freedom. That's why there's not enough resources for making another release IMHO Apr 23 16:08:30 Especially when in china - there will be maybe a dozen companies working on linux phones of cvarious degrees of openness now. Apr 23 16:09:14 http://www.hothandset.com/2007/06/nokla-n95-a-nokia-n95-clone/ Apr 23 16:10:15 Nokla rulz Apr 23 16:10:44 yeah, cellphones sell it's a hard market Apr 23 16:11:43 but IMHO OpenMoko will stay with us for a long time since we're are happy with our FreeRunners and we are enjoying of having a FR Apr 23 16:12:10 sure. Apr 23 16:12:45 I'm quite happy with mine, doesn't use it as my main cellphone 'cause the Buzz issue but when I carry it everywhere and when I can, I play with it Apr 23 16:12:52 love it :D Apr 23 16:14:08 My neo1973 is currently dissasembled - awaiting integration as a microwave oven controller. Apr 23 16:14:21 I have a nice microwave with a broklen controller. Apr 23 16:14:43 I want to add features like 'simmer maintaining humidity in output at 5% higher than output' Apr 23 16:14:56 which will boil a covered dish gently Apr 23 16:16:55 SpeedEvil: just turn up the radiation ;P Apr 23 16:17:03 openmoko microwave! Apr 23 16:20:29 SpeedEvil: i tought You want to have SMS-activated microwave :) Apr 23 16:20:48 tomcatek: naah. That'd be silly. Apr 23 16:20:59 tomcatek: Wifi - maybe. Apr 23 16:21:37 Being able to schedule cooking times would be nice. Apr 23 16:21:58 So I can come into a steaming bowl of porridge. Apr 23 16:22:18 guys, I was trying to see FreeRunner apps on Desktop Apr 23 16:22:44 and I successfully done it with ssh -X option Apr 23 16:23:47 I launched mokomaze but since I can't see mokomaze gui on FreeRunner, I couldn't control the ball Apr 23 16:25:07 hah, back to normal operation, and even a sane qwerty kbd now :-D Apr 23 16:25:20 * DocScrutinizer -> dinner Apr 23 16:34:02 and I couldn't quit mokomaze from desktop because it takes fullscreen and have no quit option and the mouse pointer doesn't move Apr 23 16:34:16 so I have to kill mokomaze process from the FreeRunner Apr 23 16:34:51 my questions are two: there is a way to launch a FR application in both, FR and PC Desktop Apr 23 16:35:06 so I can see what i'm doing in both sides? Apr 23 16:37:21 vnc or similar can do that Apr 23 16:37:36 No(?) X application supports two displays at once. Apr 23 16:37:57 The underlying X lubrary does not support this, so it's hard for programs to do Apr 23 16:38:20 mmm I see Apr 23 16:39:05 I'll try information on wiki about VNC Apr 23 16:40:19 the other question is how I can terminate the application from the Desktop Apr 23 16:40:24 there is a way to do so? Apr 23 16:45:32 Xblast supports multiple displays as a method of multiplayer. I think emacs might support it too, or then I'm confusing memories of gnuserv. Apr 23 16:45:52 'course, the application needs to do dirty work for that kinda stuff itself Apr 23 16:46:14 oh yeah, Xevil also Apr 23 16:48:13 so, the best way is using vnc Apr 23 16:49:34 I did opkg install x11vnc on SHR Apr 23 16:49:34 and I got: opkg_install_cmd: Cannot install package x11vnc Apr 23 16:52:20 I'm sorry, I lost internet connection and don't know if my comments were or not posted Apr 23 16:52:36 so here they are: I did opkg install x11vnc on SHR...and I got: opkg_install_cmd: Cannot install package x11vnc Apr 23 16:52:44 anyone knows how to solve this? Apr 23 16:52:51 SHR Testing Apr 23 18:34:38 any idea what it needs to get gprs data working with qt-moko? Apr 23 20:36:50 hm... on shr unstable (image from 20th) GPS is not working for me Apr 23 20:37:07 is it a known issue? Apr 23 20:37:38 Im reluctant to upgrade, as Im gonna need my phone tomorrow Apr 23 20:38:01 what's the current state of shr-u? Apr 23 20:55:06 Tuju_: if you haven't found an answer yet, try over at #qtmoko Apr 23 20:55:37 raanan: thanks Apr 23 20:59:18 np Apr 23 23:03:14 hi. i am newbie. Sometimes while in lock mode after a while screen gets black and i cant even close it from the power buttin Apr 23 23:39:59 I don't remember who it was, but a million thanks to whomever linked me to the volume wiki the other day :D Apr 23 23:40:16 both earpiece and mic sound *great* now! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Apr 24 02:59:56 2010