**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 24 02:59:56 2010
Apr 24 05:27:12 <Slaxxed> watisit
Apr 24 05:29:06 <Slaxxed> that 0421 Qi in shr testing a real new Qi?
Apr 24 05:40:21 <Slaxxed> "Doc"
Apr 24 05:52:32 <Slaxxed> what a HUGE upgrade
Apr 24 05:52:57 <Slaxxed> i figure it will hurl
Apr 24 06:48:43 <eMBee> good afternoon
Apr 24 06:49:14 * eMBee feels something is wrong with the way he installed SHR
Apr 24 06:49:39 <eMBee> the phone boots only if i manually pull up the bootmenu
Apr 24 06:49:53 <eMBee> simply hitting the powerbutton does nothing
Apr 24 06:50:28 <PaulFertser> eMBee: are you using Qi
Apr 24 06:50:29 <PaulFertser> ?
Apr 24 06:50:35 <eMBee> in fact it seems to make the phone hang and force me to pull the battery just to be able o hit the alternate button and then the power button to get to the boot menu
Apr 24 06:50:43 <eMBee> no,not qi, the other one
Apr 24 06:50:49 <PaulFertser> eMBee: u-boot? Why?
Apr 24 06:51:16 <eMBee> you are asking why i use u-boot? probably becaiuse that was what was on the phone
Apr 24 06:51:35 <eMBee> and there was no strong recommendation to replace it
Apr 24 06:51:57 <PaulFertser> eMBee: well, either you know how to configure your nand u-boot or you use Qi...
Apr 24 06:51:59 <eMBee> and what i remember from qi from a yar ago wasthat it didn't have a boot menu
Apr 24 06:52:09 <eMBee> ok
Apr 24 06:52:26 <eMBee> so current instructions to install shr assume qi?
Apr 24 06:52:29 <PaulFertser> It still doesn't have a boot menu.
Apr 24 06:52:46 <PaulFertser> eMBee: i do not know about shr instructions, i know one should know his bootloader ;)
Apr 24 06:52:50 <eMBee> yes, that made me a bit uncomfortable, i like to have feedback :-)
Apr 24 06:53:29 <eMBee> well, i would have thought that neotool (which is very simple already) does the right thing 
Apr 24 06:55:29 <PaulFertser> eMBee: if neotool did reflashing of the bootloader and/or u-boot env, i guess it would have needed to be doomed eternally.
Apr 24 06:56:00 <eMBee> hmm?
Apr 24 06:57:50 <eMBee> do i need to reflash u-boot in order to make it bootright?
Apr 24 06:58:16 <PaulFertser> eMBee: to sum up: if you have any particular problem with Qi, feel free to ping me about it, if you have problems with configuring u-boot, read the u-boot manual or wait for someone else. 
Apr 24 06:59:49 <eMBee> ok, thanks. already in progress (been searching for u-boot docs)
Apr 24 07:04:58 <Slaxxed> embee did u opkg upgrade shr testing  today
Apr 24 07:05:00 <Slaxxed> ?
Apr 24 07:05:26 <Slaxxed> mine hurled
Apr 24 07:09:44 <eMBee> not yet. hurled?
Apr 24 07:10:39 <eMBee> i wonder if trying to flash android hosed u-boot
Apr 24 07:26:01 <chomwitt> my usb connection drops (times out?) after some minutes . can this be configured?
Apr 24 07:29:25 * eMBee just rememberedthat there are two bootmanagers, one in nor and one in nand. so i guess the one in nand is broken. just tried to flash qi, no errors, but it still does not boot
Apr 24 07:52:32 <PaulFertser> eMBee: are you using SHR on NAND or on uSD?
Apr 24 07:52:46 <PaulFertser> eMBee: have you tried waiting for long enough when you tried booting with Qi?
Apr 24 07:57:17 <eMBee> on nand
Apr 24 07:57:26 <eMBee> how long is long enough? minutes?
Apr 24 08:01:55 <eMBee> i hit the powerbutton, aux lights red, the vibrator humms, and then nothing
Apr 24 08:03:32 <PaulFertser> eMBee: yes, minutes.
Apr 24 08:03:49 <PaulFertser> eMBee: what you describe sounds "ok": means it skips uSD.
Apr 24 08:06:14 <eMBee> ok
Apr 24 08:06:46 <eMBee> well it has been more than 5 minutes now
Apr 24 08:07:54 <PaulFertser> eMBee: hm, then there's certainly something wrong. I hope you didn't damage neither kernel nor rootfs partition during Qi flashing, did you?
Apr 24 08:08:45 <eMBee> nope. i can still boot finr using u-buut in the nor
Apr 24 08:09:07 <eMBee> erm... fine using u-boot
Apr 24 08:09:20 <PaulFertser> eMBee: that's unfortunate, probably it's the bad blocks table inconsistency we never fixed :(
Apr 24 08:09:52 <PaulFertser> eMBee: then my suggestion is to flash u-boot to nand, connect to it via ACM, configure the environment, save.
Apr 24 08:10:25 <PaulFertser> eMBee: unless you have a debug board of course, in this case it would be nice to see Qi output on the serial console.
Apr 24 08:11:47 <eMBee> sorry, no debug board
Apr 24 08:14:17 <eMBee> if qi tries to boot from uSD the red light does not show?
Apr 24 08:16:36 <PaulFertser> eMBee: iirc the red light will blink once anyway.
Apr 24 08:16:56 <PaulFertser> eMBee: but every vibration means it skips a boot possibility.
Apr 24 08:17:14 <PaulFertser> It's elaborated in details on Qi wikipage.
Apr 24 08:25:50 <eMBee> ok, thanks
Apr 24 09:19:50 <unknown_102> hi
Apr 24 09:20:24 <unknown_102> i would like to know is possible to use gps from openmoko in other linux based pc?
Apr 24 09:22:24 <PaulFertser> unknown_102: why not?
Apr 24 09:23:01 <unknown_102> PaulFertser: could you tell me how i can do that? i googled for some info about this but without success
Apr 24 09:23:18 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GPS
Apr 24 09:23:24 <SpeedEvil> probably outdated
Apr 24 09:23:46 <SpeedEvil> definately outdated I guess
Apr 24 09:23:59 <PaulFertser> unknown_102: just use gpsd as usual
Apr 24 09:24:27 <unknown_102> SpeedEvil: thx a lot :-) 
Apr 24 09:24:32 <unknown_102> PaulFertser: thx a lot :-)
Apr 24 11:22:46 <thrashold> Can you use the FreeRunner wireless with WPA?
Apr 24 11:25:25 <soltys> thrashold: it works for me with wpa-psk
Apr 24 11:29:54 <thrashold> Damn, my WPA configuration is 1:1 as the one on my laptop, and it still doesn't seem to work
Apr 24 12:59:11 <thrashold> Does iwlist scan display WPA info on the FR for anyone? Like IE: IEEE 802.11i/WPA2 Version 1 ?
Apr 24 12:59:54 <PaulFertser> thrashold: i think it does show "Unsupported IEs"
Apr 24 13:00:24 <thrashold> I don't get neither the unsupported IEs, nor the WPA info :)
Apr 24 13:01:41 <PaulFertser> Probably that's not wpa then?
Apr 24 13:04:14 <thrashold> PaulFertser: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/205598/
Apr 24 13:05:23 <PaulFertser> thrashold: ain't rsn_ie enough for you? RSN ~is wpa2.
Apr 24 13:06:18 <thrashold> Well, WiFi on the laptop is working, on the FR with the configuration copied from the laptop isn't, so I'm going after all possible differences
Apr 24 13:06:55 <thrashold> If there is correct WPA info on somebody else's FR, then I should change the drivers or iw* userland tools
Apr 24 13:09:06 <PaulFertser> thrashold: do you have 5-sec delay between powering on the wifi module and starting wpa_supplicant?
Apr 24 13:09:40 <thrashold> Well, I'm using wicd, which does a iwlist scan first :)
Apr 24 13:10:39 <PaulFertser> thrashold: also have you read my wifi mail? Have you tried the maxperf trick? Have you tried changing SSID?
Apr 24 13:10:52 <thrashold> I have "successful" authentication half of the time, there is TX and RX packets in ifconfig, but I can't send and receive any :)
Apr 24 13:11:04 <PaulFertser> thrashold: then try maxperf trick
Apr 24 13:11:10 <PaulFertser> A clear clue
Apr 24 13:11:52 <thrashold> This should be fired up each time the WiFi is powered on?
Apr 24 13:17:28 <bruce> hi all, i need some doc about usb host/device, ex: hot to compile kernel, how to switch usb mode, URL will be ok, thank you very much. :D
Apr 24 13:18:28 <bruce> hello?
Apr 24 13:18:40 <bruce> please!
Apr 24 13:19:28 <PaulFertser> thrashold: yes :(
Apr 24 13:19:43 <PaulFertser> bruce: what device are you talking about?
Apr 24 13:20:04 <bruce> gta02
Apr 24 13:20:17 <PaulFertser> bruce: why do you want a self-compiled kernel?
Apr 24 13:20:43 <PaulFertser> bruce: and are you going to correct the wrong information you found on the wiki?
Apr 24 13:21:31 <bruce> no. because i have not known it all, so i will not do it
Apr 24 13:21:48 <PaulFertser> bruce: i assumed you already checked the wiki before asking...
Apr 24 13:22:16 <bruce> kk
Apr 24 13:23:07 <bruce> thank you!
Apr 24 13:24:03 <PaulFertser> bruce: btw, the sysfs path will probably differ depending on your kernel version, please keep that in mind.
Apr 24 13:25:20 <thrashold> For more fun, I don't have eth0 on each boot :D
Apr 24 13:25:45 <bruce> oh, i got it.
Apr 24 13:31:11 <thrashold> Where can I find recent builds of the andy-tracking kernel?
Apr 24 13:39:31 <PaulFertser> thrashold: shr buildhost i guess
Apr 24 13:49:49 <thrashold> PaulFertser: Thank you very much, the maxperf trick did it
Apr 24 13:50:10 <thrashold> Now if only I find a way to use the trick :) 
Apr 24 15:10:46 <thrashold> Still looking for a binary of a recent working andy-tracking kernel :)
Apr 24 15:11:57 <PaulFertser> thrashold: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/
Apr 24 15:12:34 <thrashold> I looked here, but page search for  andy returns nothing
Apr 24 15:13:01 <PaulFertser> thrashold: all .29 kernels there are andy-tracking
Apr 24 15:13:34 <thrashold> PaulFertser: OK, I'll try them, thanks :)
Apr 24 15:22:53 <thrashold> OK, then, a recent build that works on Debian ;D
Apr 24 15:26:31 <PaulFertser> thrashold: any kernel should work
Apr 24 15:28:03 <thrashold> PaulFertser: Well, the lastes .29 from shr-unstable doesn't work as a USB gadget and didn't have WiFi (OK, I booted only once in it so far), and also seemed slower than the andy-tracking build I'm using now
Apr 24 15:28:28 <PaulFertser> thrashold: have you unpacked the modules in the proper place?
Apr 24 15:29:11 <thrashold> PaulFertser: Well, yes
Apr 24 15:54:29 <chomwitt_> hi. does wireless work in SHR ? 
Apr 24 15:54:53 <skhme> In short: yes
Apr 24 15:55:44 <chomwitt_> i get into terminal but ifconfig doesnt give me a wireless interface.
Apr 24 15:56:05 <chomwitt_> and monokonect scans nothing
Apr 24 15:57:37 <chomwitt_> or strangely scans only one network (from a neighbor) but not mine
Apr 24 15:58:28 * chomwitt_ is a new neo user , installed SHR and experiments.
Apr 24 16:01:22 <thrashold> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/org.shr.phoneui.Contacts.xml', needed by `phoneuid-contacts-service-glue.h'.  Stop
Apr 24 16:01:23 <thrashold> Awesome
Apr 24 16:04:08 <thrashold> Which source does /usr/lib/phoneui/modules/shr.so come from? If such thing exists at all :)
Apr 24 16:09:37 <PaulFertser> thrashold: http://git.shr-project.org look for phoneui related stuff.
Apr 24 16:10:01 <PaulFertser> chomwitt_: let me suggest you use wpa_supplicant directly, much more productive.
Apr 24 16:10:28 <PaulFertser> chomwitt_: http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg58146.html
Apr 24 16:14:35 <chomwitt_> PaulFertser: thanks for the tip!
Apr 24 16:14:41 <PaulFertser> Welcome
Apr 24 17:09:38 <PaulFertser> Hey folks! Any Emacs users in here? http://wiki.github.com/paulfertser/fso-el/ (unofficial preliminary announcement)
Apr 24 19:11:16 <wiml> Is there some documentation on what the numbers in [fsodevice.kernel_idle] actually mean? The wiki says what order of power-save states the phone goes through, but not what happens in each state.
Apr 24 19:18:48 <PaulFertser> i-pink: hey :)
Apr 24 19:19:08 <PaulFertser> i-pink: how're you? How's your shiny cool device? ;)
Apr 24 19:19:20 <i-pink> היי
Apr 24 19:19:23 <i-pink> hiii
Apr 24 19:19:31 <i-pink> i kill it!
Apr 24 19:26:17 <PaulFertser> i-pink: do you mean that's a routine procedure, or you really killed it, or are you going to kill it?
Apr 24 19:26:44 <i-pink> is not work
Apr 24 19:26:51 <i-pink> the moko is die
Apr 24 19:27:19 <PaulFertser> i-pink: did you damage hardware somehow? :-O
Apr 24 19:27:33 <i-pink> no
Apr 24 19:28:31 <PaulFertser> i-pink: then what is the problem? :-O FR can't be "bricked" by software means.
Apr 24 19:28:35 <PaulFertser> By design
Apr 24 19:29:31 <i-pink> the softwer not work totaly
Apr 24 19:30:00 <PaulFertser> i-pink: NOR u-boot always works.
Apr 24 19:32:09 <i-pink> but i want hakable
Apr 24 19:34:13 <PaulFertser> i-pink: you just flash everything you need with NOR u-boot.
Apr 24 19:34:49 <i-pink> i need to call to doron..
Apr 24 21:09:36 <Bert_2> Hi, I just flashed the latest SHR-unstable image on my Freerunner and accidentially selected the shr 2 theme instead of the standard one, where can I change it back ?
Apr 24 21:13:56 <tomcatek> Bert_2: remove .e directory
Apr 24 21:14:45 <Bert_2> k
Apr 24 21:14:48 <Bert_2> I'll do that
Apr 24 21:14:49 <Bert_2> thx
Apr 24 21:49:19 <thrashold> What does it mean if the phoen doesn't start on pressing the power button, instead the AUX blinks red, and there's a slow vibration?
Apr 24 21:49:31 <thrashold> small
Apr 24 21:58:32 <badcloud_> thrashold: do you use qi or uboot?
Apr 24 21:58:45 <thrashold> uboot
Apr 24 22:00:26 <badcloud_> thrashold: damn, qi has documentation regarding vib/aux
Apr 24 22:00:54 <thrashold> I take the battery out, put it back in, and then red light. Red light. After 2-3 minutes it boots :)
Apr 24 22:01:02 <badcloud_> hmmm
Apr 24 22:01:53 <badcloud_> no clue, sorry
Apr 24 22:02:13 <badcloud_> ask tomorrow earlier in the day, you'll find more qualified folk awake
Apr 24 22:02:15 <badcloud_> :)
Apr 24 22:26:03 <brian__> maybe yo kernel is bad
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