**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 07 02:59:56 2010
May 07 09:17:16 <eMBee> good afternoon
May 07 09:17:38 * eMBee needs help figuring out which uSD card works
May 07 09:17:52 <eMBee> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards is very confusing
May 07 09:18:19 <PaulFertser> eMBee: indeed, but not much can be done about it.
May 07 09:19:01 <PaulFertser> eMBee: most of the cards you can find work, some need lowering the frequency, and only a tiny amount of the cards available on the market do not work.
May 07 09:19:28 <eMBee> so the chances of finding a non-working card are low...
May 07 09:19:47 <eMBee> and may i guess even lower if i stick to brands like kingston or sandisk?
May 07 09:20:34 * eMBee checked in the market today, but they wouldn't let him test
May 07 09:21:33 <eMBee> oh, that last comment on that page: Note that cards with a "no" may still work at times, but that we just have found their behaviour too erratic to consider acceptable. (Also note that this is a bug in our version of u-boot. The cards are probably fine.) this means, in theory all cards should work, if they don't it's a software issue?
May 07 09:22:25 <eMBee> so there are no hardware limitations (other than the 16gb limit)? no issues with newer cards that didn't exist 2 years ago?
May 07 09:25:39 <PaulFertser> eMBee: there's one thing: some cards fail to work due to gsm interference, but those are rare.
May 07 09:26:02 <eMBee> ok
May 07 09:26:08 <eMBee> thank you
May 07 09:26:54 <eMBee> anyone here using qi-bootmenu? 
May 07 09:39:35 <jluis> eMBee: I tested it from NOR ubot from SD. Why?
May 07 09:40:23 <eMBee> i am just curious to know if it is in a workable state for daily use
May 07 09:41:02 * eMBee plans to get a larger uSD card and partition it for all the currently available distributions
May 07 09:46:19 <jluis> Using qi-bootmenu form SD & NOR got me a WSD
May 07 09:46:53 <eMBee> hmm
May 07 09:47:43 <jluis> Using it From a ext3   partitions showed all kernels on SD worked bether
May 07 09:49:03 <eMBee> you mean loading bootmenu into the nor as a kernel didn't work, but loading it from SD did?
May 07 09:50:01 * eMBee was planning to put it on the SD leaving kernel in the nor to boot without SD
May 07 09:51:41 <PaulFertser> jluis: using NOR u-boot for booting is highly discouraged anyway
May 07 09:52:00 <PaulFertser> jluis: it's too old and has known bugs/problems.
May 07 09:52:10 <jluis> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-February/060237.html
May 07 09:52:11 <PaulFertser> jluis: i do not understand why you used it all.
May 07 09:53:31 <jluis> PaulFertser:  I know but that way I didn't touch my NAND
May 07 09:53:49 <PaulFertser> jluis: can't see any real benefits
May 07 10:12:50 <jluis> there aren't any beneficts
May 07 10:13:14 <CVirus> LOL @ beneficts
May 07 10:16:40 <PaulFertser> CVirus: oh, so you're back again, waiting for lulz? ;)
May 07 10:17:10 <CVirus> PaulFertser: come on .. I'm always here .. I just write from time to time
May 07 10:20:50 <PaulFertser> CVirus: are you using FR?
May 07 10:21:04 <CVirus> PaulFertser: nope
May 07 10:21:27 <PaulFertser> CVirus: heh, why are you here then? ;)
May 07 10:21:28 <CVirus> PaulFertser: I've always wanted to buy one but never had the chance
May 07 10:21:47 <CVirus> PaulFertser: I had great interest in the project from the beginning and was waiting for the FR so bad
May 07 10:21:55 <PaulFertser> Oh, i see. But they're getting more and more cheap, and there's plenty of used ones.
May 07 10:30:05 <zub> hm, what's the status of UBI + shr-u? I tried long time ago (sticking to default shr-u kernel) but always after few boots ubi broke and FR wouldn't boot.
May 07 10:35:39 <PaulFertser> zub: i seem to remember Weiss complained about irrecoverable ubi corruptions on unclean shutdown.
May 07 10:37:50 <zub> ok, thx
May 07 10:38:48 <zub> I'm keeping some older tested shr-u in NAND as an emergency field backup :)
May 07 10:39:31 <zub> so I'm reluctant to experiment with NAND
May 07 12:32:51 <skillZ> hello all
May 07 12:32:58 <ndnihil> howdy
May 07 12:33:00 <skillZ> I need a little help
May 07 12:33:09 <skillZ> my usb is knackered on my openmoko
May 07 12:33:41 <skillZ> i am trying to use SHR right now
May 07 12:34:00 <skillZ> although it seems to have some trouble
May 07 12:34:16 <ndnihil> what's it doing/not doing?
May 07 12:34:27 <skillZ> well getting it to connect to wireless is a drag
May 07 12:34:47 <skillZ> i i tried mokoconnect and if just fails
May 07 12:34:54 <skillZ> etiher it sits sayin trying to power on
May 07 12:35:05 <skillZ> or it says something about not finding something in comman
May 07 12:35:06 <ndnihil> wireless has nothing to do with usb
May 07 12:35:43 <skillZ> I know wireless and usb are unrelated 
May 07 12:36:08 <skillZ> the wireless connector broke off
May 07 12:36:12 <skillZ> it was sliding around
May 07 12:36:19 <skillZ> and so had intermittent connection
May 07 12:36:27 <skillZ> so i opened it up and soldered it back on
May 07 12:36:33 <skillZ> but not good enough epparently
May 07 12:36:40 <skillZ> now it charges but i can't use the port
May 07 12:36:45 <ndnihil> check for shorts
May 07 12:36:48 <skillZ> i did
May 07 12:36:53 <skillZ> doesn't seem to be shorted
May 07 12:37:06 <skillZ> but the connections may not be all that good
May 07 12:37:10 <skillZ> its tiny :)
May 07 12:37:15 <skillZ> anyway
May 07 12:37:21 <skillZ> as long as it charges
May 07 12:37:22 * ndnihil uses a high power magnifier and a very fine tip when working on SMD
May 07 12:37:27 <skillZ> i can use the wireless for everything else
May 07 12:37:37 <skillZ> yes i know
May 07 12:38:43 <skillZ> do most people use android now?
May 07 12:38:57 <skillZ> and can you get a terminal ?
May 07 12:39:00 <ndnihil> I've switched to a droid as my primary phone
May 07 12:39:00 <skillZ> like root
May 07 12:39:10 <ndnihil> and yes, you can root some versions of it on some phones
May 07 12:39:26 <skillZ> I like android but i need to set the mtu for my wireless
May 07 12:39:37 <skillZ> how do you do it on openmoko?
May 07 12:39:40 <skillZ> root it i mean
May 07 12:39:56 <skillZ> i know how to set mtu via adb
May 07 12:40:03 <ndnihil> if you're using a moko phone, and throw android on it, you should have root by default
May 07 12:40:04 <skillZ> but can i use it without usb?
May 07 12:40:14 <ndnihil> the commercial versions are the only ones that are limited in access by default
May 07 12:40:15 <skillZ> how do I get it>
May 07 12:40:25 <skillZ> so i have no usb
May 07 12:40:30 <ndnihil> dunno, never used android on my gta02
May 07 12:40:37 <skillZ> k
May 07 12:40:43 <ndnihil> I'd sort out the usb problem before doing anything else
May 07 12:40:46 <skillZ> what i need is to take the android image
May 07 12:40:49 <ndnihil> you'll need to flash it via usb
May 07 12:41:03 <skillZ> well i can install android via the card
May 07 12:41:09 <skillZ> that is how i did it before
May 07 12:41:15 <ndnihil> ah
May 07 12:41:26 <skillZ> but i need to alter the image so that the wireless has the mtu set for my network
May 07 12:41:35 <skillZ> i don't know how to do that
May 07 12:41:46 <skillZ> or get root on the phone via some terminal app
May 07 12:41:50 <skillZ> or some such thing
May 07 12:41:55 <ndnihil> I wrote a perk+tk tool to set up my wireless+vpn
May 07 12:41:56 <skillZ> i can't use adb
May 07 12:42:03 <skillZ> oh ya
May 07 12:42:05 <skillZ> hmm
May 07 12:42:22 <skillZ> i am not sure i am going to be able to fix the usb
May 07 12:42:28 <ndnihil> it calls the cli tools
May 07 12:42:30 <skillZ> i have no magnifying glass
May 07 12:42:47 <ndnihil> you should find someone local who has the right tools for it
May 07 12:42:54 <skillZ> so suppose i unpack the android install on the card
May 07 12:43:08 <skillZ> anyone know how i would alter it to make the mtu setting
May 07 12:43:14 <skillZ> then i think i would be ok
May 07 12:43:28 <skillZ> i would be able to charge it and i could use wireless for everything
May 07 12:43:28 <ndnihil> couldnt tell you
May 07 12:43:32 <skillZ> crapola
May 07 12:43:59 <ndnihil> I'm still getting up to speed on android
May 07 12:44:12 <skillZ> i don't want to go by magnifying glass and stuff
May 07 12:44:38 <skillZ> i had a soldering iron although not a very fine one
May 07 12:44:50 <ndnihil> then you dont want your phone to work very badly
May 07 12:44:50 <skillZ> i managed to put the usb connector back on
May 07 12:44:56 <skillZ> lol
May 07 12:45:01 <skillZ> yes i do i am just cheap
May 07 12:45:12 <skillZ> mostly i use it for the gps
May 07 12:45:16 <skillZ> not as a phone
May 07 12:45:27 <skillZ> i can't get a sim card that works
May 07 12:46:14 <ndnihil> mine is pretending it's a cd changer in the car
May 07 12:46:38 <ndnihil> can even use the factory head unit cd changer controls 
May 07 12:46:54 <skillZ> wow
May 07 12:47:05 <skillZ> there are many uses for this thing that is for sure
May 07 12:47:16 <skillZ> that is why i originally bought it 
May 07 12:47:33 <skillZ> i am an electronics engineer
May 07 12:47:39 <skillZ> but currently unemployed
May 07 12:47:57 <skillZ> so no accesss to proper soldering tools anymore
May 07 12:48:27 <ndnihil> every EE I knows has proper tools at home
May 07 12:48:28 <ndnihil> s/knows/know/
May 07 12:48:29 <apt> ndnihil meant: every EE I know has proper tools at home
May 07 12:48:35 * ndnihil stabs apt
May 07 12:49:09 <skillZ> i did have everything at one point
May 07 12:49:12 <skillZ> got robbed
May 07 12:49:22 <skillZ> lost about 30k worth of shit
May 07 12:49:37 <ndnihil> they swiped your reflow oven eh?
May 07 12:50:04 <skillZ> i was moving at the time
May 07 12:50:13 <skillZ> it was all in my truck
May 07 12:50:17 <skillZ> everything gone
May 07 12:50:25 <ndnihil> doh
May 07 12:50:26 <skillZ> scopes logic analyzers
May 07 12:50:30 <skillZ> everything
May 07 12:50:32 <skillZ> anyway
May 07 12:50:40 <skillZ> ya life has been a bit rough
May 07 12:50:53 <skillZ> consequently
May 07 13:05:04 <skillZ> ok well thanks for chatting
May 07 13:05:13 <skillZ> I will sort  this out myself
May 07 13:11:48 <PaulFertser> skillZ: i recommend manual wpa_supplicant way to get wireless.
May 07 13:15:14 <skillZ> hmm
May 07 13:15:16 <skillZ> ty
May 07 13:15:24 <skillZ> i am using iliwi
May 07 13:15:28 <skillZ> but it is flaky
May 07 13:16:08 <PaulFertser> skillZ: have you read my "reliable wifi tips" message on community ML?
May 07 13:16:14 <skillZ> ya
May 07 13:16:18 <PaulFertser> skillZ: it basically sums up all i know about the topic.
May 07 13:16:23 <skillZ> me too
May 07 13:16:52 <skillZ> i wish i had better soldering capabilities
May 07 13:17:58 <skillZ> i installed the latest android and i like it
May 07 13:18:11 <skillZ> i just wish it had a terminal 
May 07 13:18:21 <skillZ> then i could ad-hoc it to my lappy
May 07 13:18:30 <skillZ> that would be ideal
May 07 13:19:00 <skillZ> not sure if its possible to talk to the gps daemon though
May 07 13:19:13 <skillZ> which is what i do mostly with my openmoko
May 07 13:19:32 <skillZ> with SHR 
May 07 13:20:04 <PaulFertser> skillZ: sorry, gotta go. Feel free to ping me about low-level questions. Be warned i know nothing about A though.
May 07 13:20:16 <skillZ> cool thanks
May 07 13:20:16 <PaulFertser> skillZ: good luck man
May 07 13:20:19 <skillZ> ty
May 07 16:29:45 <PBeck> hi
May 07 18:48:34 <Fox_Muldr> is there any specific place where i can nicely ask to include some linux apps (galculator, gnuplot) into the shr-feeds?
May 07 18:49:16 <Heinervdm> Fox_Muldr: package request in SHR trac
May 07 18:50:51 <Fox_Muldr> ok tnx
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