**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 11 02:59:56 2010 May 11 09:18:16 PaulFertser: rootwait did not help, but rootdelay=10 produced a more correct partitions list (still some issues, i suspect the partitions are messed up so redoing them now) May 11 09:18:29 eMBee: nice May 11 09:19:01 * eMBee is unsure about the best way to do partitioning May 11 09:19:12 booting without anything connected to usb ports helps here May 11 09:19:43 I mean for rootwait/rootdelay and 2.6.32.12 boots ok even with rootdelay=1 (default) May 11 09:19:45 hmmmm, i'll keep that in mind, thank you May 11 09:20:32 i have seen different reports on the number of sectors/cylinters depending on the tool i used (fdisk vs sfdisk) May 11 09:21:00 and suggestions that i should set the cylinters to a certain number May 11 09:21:42 elsewhere i read that i should watch out to align the sectors correctly with what is actually in the card May 11 09:22:58 but that was about SSDs, nut sure if that applies to SD cards May 11 09:28:47 eMBee: Is this a blank card you're filling? May 11 09:29:12 yes May 11 09:31:24 then it doesn't matter at all May 11 09:31:56 a SD card has no internal heads/cylinders/tracks May 11 09:32:04 It doesn't even have internal simple blocks May 11 09:33:33 hmm? http://elm-chan.org/docs/mmc/mmc_e.html May 11 09:33:48 in particular look at the erase block section May 11 09:34:31 That's irrelevant May 11 09:34:39 why? May 11 09:34:39 it's not exposed to the user that way May 11 09:35:32 of course not, but making sure that my partitions do not overlap an erase block boundary can be helpful to ensure that the next partition remains untouched when writing at the edge of the other partition May 11 09:36:16 You cannot know the details of eraseblocks - the chip will not tell you, and it will not always align them with the edge of the sd May 11 09:36:29 IF you're worried about that, you can leave a small gap May 11 09:36:40 * eMBee nods May 11 09:37:11 http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org/msg170028.html May 11 09:37:16 is a long thread on this issue May 11 09:39:46 ahyes, i think i read that one some time before May 11 09:40:34 his suggestion to: Write aligned 16KiB blocks is the one i am concerned about May 11 09:42:51 What are you going to be using this for? May 11 09:43:31 data and OS partitions for various openmoko distributions May 11 09:43:50 You're overthinking this - just pick something, it doesn't matter. May 11 09:44:43 you are probably right May 11 09:46:22 Hi all, do you know if openmoko supports PTT / PoC ¿? May 11 09:49:25 push-talk? May 11 09:49:43 That's more a modem functionality - I'm unsure it can do that. May 11 09:50:35 modem ?? May 11 09:50:38 is voip May 11 09:51:32 Ah. May 11 09:51:48 Unsure - sorry - not got a recent build installed. May 11 09:52:32 i dont know if this is a channel for developpers.. just to know if there is any kind of push to talk client or a project to make one .. Most of nokia handsets include a ptt client.. May 11 09:53:05 I don't think someone implemented PTT May 11 09:53:45 :P as i said.. the client, ptt itself is a huge project May 11 09:57:42 wincide: freerunner is just a small portable arm computer. May 11 09:58:26 wincide: if you can compile that client for your laptop, there're considerable chances you can get it running on FR too. May 11 09:58:53 wincide: performance might be an issue though, especially if the codecs rely heavily on floating-point. May 11 10:01:02 well , the codec usually is RTP . and the stablishment SIP, are quite standard both of them .. thanks for the info, but i dont have such client.. just i was asking if someone knows about a ptt project for openmoko, that depends more on the OS than the proccessor ... :) May 11 10:01:22 wincide: os is GNU/Linux May 11 10:01:44 wincide: is nokia client proprietary? May 11 10:03:10 i think so,also their PTT technology but the openmobilealliance is opening a big field with a standard that all the companies also approved.. even nokia.. May 11 10:05:21 i mean, each big company was making his own technology according to this functionality , but to standarize all of such "differences" they made a kind of generalized roadmap , and public documentation .. where probably some opensource devel has begun to make a client May 11 10:05:25 SIP + RTP i guess ekiga does that but i fear it will be far too big to be ported on freerunner. May 11 10:06:00 well RTP is not a codec, it is just a transport layer. May 11 10:06:46 http://www.openmobilealliance.org/ May 11 10:07:31 anyway, just my curiosity related to openmoko and non propietary resources related to telephony May 11 14:36:22 * eMBee wiped his uSD card with dd if=/dev/zero and then sfdisk and fdisk agreed on sectors heads etc, also the cylinder size was 32k and the paritions ended up fitting nicely with only 60 blocks unused May 11 15:01:26 but no luck with bootmenu getting it to list any partitions despite the rootdelay option May 11 17:13:41 hi May 11 18:11:44 hi guys, did you ever see "Couldn't connect to FSO or phonefsod". SHR. What do you recommend? (I tried manually starting some daemons, but can't do that every day, and didn't help anyway.) May 11 19:22:58 wassa May 11 19:28:24 "Doc" May 11 19:29:01 any hardware news besides that beagle thing? May 11 20:43:49 <[Rui]> tim_abell: hi tim, haven't read your email yet, work is crazy as crazy goes :( May 11 20:44:16 * [Rui] is still waiting for all the email to come up May 11 20:44:46 [Rui], no rush, that's the joy of email, it'll wait till you are ready :) May 11 21:27:10 PaulFertser: hi May 11 21:27:16 Gabrys: hi :) May 11 21:27:26 PaulFertser: I have working bluetooth headset in QtMoko and in Android May 11 21:27:56 Gabrys: Cool :) May 11 21:28:04 Gabrys: are you completely satisfied with it now? May 11 21:28:07 do we have the amixer workaround put somewhere in C code instead of calling amixer binary? May 11 21:28:59 I haven't done much testing in Android, but in QtMoko it seems from time to time it just stops working, no matter if I re-do the workaround or re-run my program to set ALSA settings on hw0:1 May 11 21:29:03 Hi! May 11 21:29:26 Gabrys: no idea, but there's an example on the alsa wiki explaining how to do a simple client. May 11 21:29:27 PaulFertser: but other than that, it's working nicely in QtMoko May 11 21:29:43 I'm browsing amixer's source to figure out ;-) May 11 21:29:56 Gabrys: someone's already done that for you May 11 21:30:13 PaulFertser: you mean what? May 11 21:30:51 Why wouldn't Neo FreeRunner be a usable phone? I can install debian on it, I read, and this should be a stable system being capable of telephony. May 11 21:33:16 Gabrys: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/HowTo_access_a_mixer_control May 11 21:45:04 it gives me linker error :( May 11 21:48:01 ok, the howto is wrong in one line ;P May 11 22:38:48 Good evening! Can anybody help with openmoko network problem? May 11 22:59:52 anyone alive here? May 11 23:00:05 Generally few. May 11 23:00:16 If you state the problem, maybe someone lurking will read it later. May 11 23:00:29 hm, i'm not sure how to state. May 11 23:00:38 generally i want to opkg update May 11 23:00:41 but it stalls May 11 23:00:59 i look on the packets, the SYN handshake is working May 11 23:01:17 and then no requests from the device May 11 23:01:27 wwget stalls also May 11 23:01:35 Sorry - no clue. Does general networking work? May 11 23:01:43 while it can get some index.html from other site May 11 23:02:02 could it be that it doesn't for some reason like .gz suffix? May 11 23:02:10 yes, networking works, usb works May 11 23:02:13 ping works May 11 23:02:39 i'm bumping into it for two days, no clue at all May 11 23:02:48 probably some hardware feature i don't know May 11 23:03:47 Odd. May 11 23:04:49 very funny thing, that when i try for example to get Package.html it fails May 11 23:04:55 but it gets the response and stuff May 11 23:05:17 while it doesn't intend to ask for .gz May 11 23:06:04 i think there is something it misses *before* asking for .gz, so it connects, fails somewhere and has no intention to send a request May 11 23:14:47 ah, no, i was mistaken May 11 23:15:09 the web server on the other end doesn't respond May 11 23:15:39 it responds for wrong urls, but no response for Packages.gz May 12 01:58:52 good morning May 12 01:59:36 something is wrong with this sdcard. SHR detects the partitions but it randomly fails to mount them May 12 02:00:01 bootmenu gets the partitions wrong May 12 02:00:18 rootdelay seems to have no effect May 12 02:01:24 probably because there is already a rootdelay option: loglevel=4 console=tty0 console=ttySAC2,115200 init=/sbin/init ro mtdparts=phys May 12 02:01:33 oops May 12 02:02:36 loglevel=4 console=tty0 console=ttySAC2,115200 init=/sbin/init ro mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x00040000(qi),0x00040000(depr-ub-env),0x00820000(kernel),0x000a0000(depr),0x00040000(identity-ext2),0x0f680000(rootfs) g_ether.dev_addr=00:1F:11:01:24:42 g_ether.host_addr=00:1F:11:01:24:43 root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 rootdelay=1 rootdelay=20 loglevel=8 May 12 02:03:06 rootdelay=20 loglevel=8 is the contents of /boot/append-GTA02 May 12 02:04:22 bootmenu detects one partition and mounts it, but running ls results in IO errors May 12 02:10:03 does that mean that there is something wrong with the SD card? or a kernel issue? May 12 02:15:04 qi won't boot the 3rd partition either (after skipping the first two because i set them to noboot) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 12 02:59:56 2010