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May 25 03:33:28 <bmidgley> hey, are there docs for adding gllin to shr properly
May 25 05:05:04 <luke-jr> bmidgley: shr supports Neo1973?
May 25 05:05:26 <PaulFertser> Yes, at least it tries
May 25 05:06:10 <PaulFertser> bmidgley: btw, if you install the right version of gllin, and your frameworkd.conf configuration is correct, ogpsd will start gllin automatically.
May 25 05:06:23 <PaulFertser> bmidgley: start and use
May 25 05:06:29 <PaulFertser> bmidgley: let's troubleshoot your issue
May 25 05:08:03 <PaulFertser> luke-jr: gta01 and gta02 do not differ that much. And shr tries to support any platform out there, including HTC G1 etc.
May 25 05:08:21 <luke-jr> oh well
May 25 05:08:30 <luke-jr> did anyone manage to get an open Neo1973 GPS?
May 25 05:08:44 <PaulFertser> Unfortunately, no, afaict.
May 25 05:36:23 <bmidgley> PaulFertser: fwiw, I installed the gllin I have, mostly lives in /user/share/gllin
May 25 05:36:42 <bmidgley> not getting run, not sure exactly have to tell tangogps to turn on gps
May 25 05:37:04 <PaulFertser> bmidgley: yes, and it needs its own chroot because it uses old ABI and the bastards refused to provide us with an EABI version.
May 25 05:37:59 <bmidgley> this one does provide its own libraries and startup script but instead of a chroot it fiddles with shared lib paths iirc
May 25 05:38:24 <PaulFertser> bmidgley: in an ideal world it works like this: tangogps connects via a tcp socket to your fso-gpsd daemon, the daemon requests GPS resource and starts acquiring info via Gypsy-like protocol from ogpsd and translates it in gpsd-compatible protocol.
May 25 05:38:38 <PaulFertser> bmidgley: ok, that would work as well
May 25 05:46:04 <cz_jc> Weiss, hi, you told me to compile xf86-video-glamo with --disable-kms to avoid glamo.h:41:26: error: drm/glamo_bo.h: No such file or directory
May 25 05:46:23 <cz_jc> Weiss, I tried to do so, during configure it told me: checking whether to use KMS... no
May 25 05:46:33 <cz_jc> Weiss, even so, I still get the same error for some reason..
May 25 05:48:14 <cz_jc> Weiss, any idea if theres something else that might disable drm in xf86-video-glamo pls ?
May 25 05:50:14 <max_posedon> Doesn't it better just use fbdev in this case?
May 25 05:50:41 <cz_jc> max_posedon, fbdev doesn't allow use of xrandr rotation
May 25 05:50:53 <cz_jc> max_posedon, btw. thats what I do right now
May 25 05:51:12 <max_posedon> as for drm - just write libdrm ebuild
May 25 05:51:22 <cz_jc> max_posedon, and since youre here, I wrote a patch for x11-drivers/xf86-video-glamo to add a kms use flag that sets --enable-kms or --disable-kms (yeey my first :))
May 25 05:51:34 <max_posedon> or whatever requires correct glamo compilation
May 25 05:51:51 <cz_jc> max_posedon, you still have commit access ?
May 25 05:52:04 <max_posedon> yep
May 25 05:52:19 <cz_jc> max_posedon, ok, I'll post it on the tracker and let you know :)
May 25 05:52:51 <max_posedon> go ahead, did you tried fso2+zhone2?
May 25 05:55:23 <bmidgley> hey hey the gps is working after installing my old gllin tarball
May 25 05:57:51 <cz_jc> max_posedon, ok, its in this bug: http://gentoo.mindzoo.de/index.cgi/ticket/302
May 25 05:58:38 <PaulFertser> bmidgley: nice :)
May 25 06:01:06 <max_posedon> cz_jc, I'm a bit confused, disable ksm and continue use ksm branch?!
May 25 06:01:16 <max_posedon> does it works for you?
May 25 06:02:08 <cz_jc> max_posedon, nope, I didn't try them, I just recently got my Xorg working...
May 25 06:02:39 <cz_jc> max_posedon, AFAIK, it was merged. It still fails with the same error as I said.. do you think removing EGIT_BRANCH="kms" would help ?
May 25 06:02:54 <max_posedon> I don'
May 25 06:03:03 <max_posedon> t know where development going
May 25 06:03:11 <max_posedon> I'll keep for a while
May 25 06:03:19 <cz_jc> max_posedon, I'll try it though..
May 25 06:03:53 <cz_jc> max_posedon, nah thats not it
May 25 06:04:12 <cz_jc> max_posedon, I see its only set if use="dri", I don't have that here..
May 25 06:05:12 <cz_jc> max_posedon, ok then, just leave it and maybe someone will notice it in bugs and fix it
May 25 06:05:15 <cz_jc> I'm a noob at this
May 25 06:16:38 <max_posedon> cz_jc, so, how should I test it (at least for compilation) +dri +ksm?
May 25 06:17:06 <cz_jc> max_posedon, both use flags disabled (but it doesn't compile without glamo specific libdrm anyway)
May 25 06:17:21 <Weiss> cz_jc: I just pushed a rebased libdrm branch which changes the include dir.. should be worth a try
May 25 06:17:26 <cz_jc> max_posedon, right now, I'm making a libdrm ebuild from its git repo
May 25 06:17:39 <cz_jc> Weiss, thanks, i'll try
May 25 06:17:49 <max_posedon> so, I'll postpone any changes for nwo
May 25 06:17:51 <max_posedon> *now
May 25 06:17:56 <cz_jc> max_posedon, yep
May 25 06:19:34 <cz_jc> Weiss, did you push it here? http://git.openmoko.org/?p=xf86-video-glamo.git;a=summary
May 25 06:19:56 <Weiss> cz_jc: ...or it might break horribly. if it does, try one less than the latest commit - that worked for me with the latest org.openembedded.dev. the latest change seemed obvious, but I haven't tested it yet
May 25 06:20:09 <Weiss> http://git.bitwiz.org.uk/
May 25 06:20:32 <Weiss> yep, xf86-video-glamo is up to date at both places
May 25 06:21:04 <cz_jc> Weiss, btw. I went back about 5 commits before and tried to compie and it did the same
May 25 06:21:21 <cz_jc> Weiss, I think a safe bet will be to get proper glami libdrm here
May 25 06:21:27 <cz_jc> *glamo
May 25 06:22:26 <cz_jc> oh well. I'll clean up my local repo and try to fetch and compile it anyway just to be sure
May 25 06:40:36 <PaulFertser> bmidgley: probably the information about your experience using SHR-u on gta01 is worth adding to the shr manual on the wiki, it would be very nice of you if you did that.
May 25 06:52:47 <Weiss> cz_jc: "proper"? you should have that already..
May 25 06:54:19 <Weiss> you're using... Gentoo?
May 25 06:54:44 <Weiss> it's worth checking to see whether those headers actually got installed, and that xf86-video-glamo is looking for them in the right place
May 25 07:13:20 <cz_jc> Weiss, nope, they aren't installed. sorry I'm back. latest commit failed with the same error, I'll try the second latest
May 25 07:14:14 <cz_jc> Weiss, I just tried cd91a3c251dfd0b9d4e1230b6f9dd498e46e8fb6 (second latest) and its the same
May 25 07:14:36 <cz_jc> Weiss, the headers don't get installed probably because I don't have libdrm at all here. I'll need to make the packages depend on it, apparently
May 25 07:26:30 <cz_jc> Weiss, correction, I have libdrm-2.4.18_pre20100211-r1 (a stable version in gentoo) and its looking in the correct place but the headers aren't there
May 25 07:31:53 <cz_jc> max_posedon, well I'm screwed for now, i got: fatal: ambiguous argument 'master': unknown revision or path not in the working tree.
May 25 07:32:02 <cz_jc> dunno how to solve it, I'm gotta lie down
May 25 07:41:17 <Weiss> cz_jc: ah.. you need the special Glamo version from git.bitwiz.org.uk for Glamo stuff
May 25 07:42:23 <cz_jc> Weiss, yep, I discovered that.. Yet another official package overriden and noone capable is around to write an ebuild for it so I'm doing it XD
May 25 07:43:04 <cz_jc> Weiss, it basically forces gentooers to use framebuffer right now :/
May 25 07:43:14 <Weiss> yeah... graphics stuff on Linux has a lot of tricky dependencies
May 25 07:43:59 <cz_jc> Weiss, btw. do you know I found glamo_bo.h in mesa git repo ?
May 25 07:44:17 <Weiss> where did you get your Mesa from?
May 25 07:44:35 <cz_jc> Weiss, here they are: http://gitorious.org/mesa/drm/trees/8b15be5839437aeb73e98ca2b2286326ce29011f/glamo
May 25 07:44:46 <cz_jc> Weiss, looks like your stuff was submitted upstream, wasn't it ?
May 25 07:45:15 <Weiss> nope, only the tiniest parts of it.. (bugs I turned up )
May 25 07:45:37 <Weiss> oh.. that's JaMa's copy of the repository
May 25 07:45:46 <cz_jc> aah.. XD
May 25 07:45:50 <JaMa> lol :)
May 25 07:45:59 <cz_jc> and here I am hoping the problem will solve itself in time XD
May 25 07:47:23 <Weiss> :)
May 25 07:47:53 <Weiss> yep, that's JaMa's copy of the *libdrm* repository..
May 25 07:48:23 <JaMa> cz_jc: the upstream is http://cgit.freedesktop.org/
May 25 07:48:43 <cz_jc> I see.. no glamo :/
May 25 07:49:29 <cz_jc> I already wrote an ebuild that pulls libdrm from Weiss's repo but I get a git error on checkout. I gotta clean my head for this one
May 25 07:50:31 <JaMa> Weiss: should I bump mesa/libdrm in OE with your rebased branches? (I guess so)
May 25 07:56:45 <Weiss> JaMa: test the changes first.. hopefully I didn't break any compatability with <2.6.34
May 25 07:57:18 <Weiss> the DRI developers got into trouble recently for breaking backwards compatibility
May 25 07:58:09 <JaMa> you mean that nouveau <-> torvalds issue with changed api? or is there something else?
May 25 07:58:18 <JaMa> but I'll try it for sure
May 25 07:59:47 <Weiss> yeah.. maybe it was just nouveau.. I didn't read too carefully
May 25 10:45:51 <beniwtv> Hi all... anyone has problems with GPS on SHR-U? I can't seem to make it work, not even on the command line.
May 25 10:46:29 <SpeedEvil> beniwtv: FR or neo1973?
May 25 10:46:36 <beniwtv> SpeedEvil: Fr
May 25 10:47:12 <SpeedEvil> I vaguely recall discussions from a few days ago on GPS
May 25 10:47:22 <SpeedEvil> sorry - I don't have FR, so I diddn't pay much attention
May 25 10:48:12 <beniwtv> SpeedEvil: I remember them, yes, but they should be solved AFAIK (and I just re-flased to be sure). It seems the power is on allright, but cat /dev/ttySAC1 returns immediately.
May 25 10:49:09 <SpeedEvil> with an error, or just returns
May 25 10:51:17 <beniwtv> Just returns
May 25 10:51:25 <PaulFertser> beniwtv: do you have an understanding of the architecture? Why do not you provide us with frameworkd logs?
May 25 10:51:57 <beniwtv> PaulFertser: No errors in the frameworkd log, apart from the usual file not found error.
May 25 10:52:32 <beniwtv> I'm algo getting some rxerrors in dmesg, but I don't know if they're related
May 25 10:52:40 <PaulFertser> beniwtv: then run it with [ogpsd] debug and retry
May 25 10:53:09 <beniwtv> PaulFertser: OK, will try
May 25 10:54:00 <JaMa> beniwtv: are you testing 2.6.3* kernel or reflashed std image and using std 2.6.29?
May 25 10:54:14 <beniwtv> JaMa: standard 2.6.29
May 25 21:21:54 <lestat> hi all
May 25 21:22:14 <lestat> do you think it's possible to run mpd on a freerunner ?
May 25 21:24:06 <max_posedon> yes, it is
May 25 21:24:21 <lestat> max_posedon: are the performances ok ?
May 25 21:24:29 <lestat> even with a nfs/sshfs stuff ?
May 25 21:24:47 <max_posedon> it should be enough
May 25 21:24:53 <lestat> neat
May 25 21:25:14 <max_posedon> people listen music from freerunner, mpd just one more player
May 25 21:25:16 <lestat> max_posedon: have you build it yourself ? or did you find a prebuild package ?
May 25 21:25:26 <max_posedon> didn't shr-unstable have it?
May 25 21:25:39 <max_posedon> if it haven't ask shr-team, it will be easy for them add it
May 25 21:25:44 <badcloud> lestat: which distro are you running/intending to run?
May 25 21:26:06 <lestat> badcloud: i don't mind to flash it if it can run mpd/ncmpc
May 25 21:26:18 <badcloud> debian has a package for mpd
May 25 21:26:31 <badcloud> check out the distro page on the openmoko wiki
May 25 21:27:12 <lestat> wow much more stuff than when i was playing with the openmoko :D
May 25 21:27:50 <badcloud> lestat: I just checked the shr package list
May 25 21:27:54 <badcloud> mpd's on there :)
May 25 21:27:57 <lestat> neat
May 25 21:28:07 <lestat> badcloud: is shr better ?
May 25 21:28:22 <badcloud> I personally take to qtmoko, but I think ultimately it's a matter of taste/priority
May 25 21:28:45 <badcloud> if you have a micro SD card
May 25 21:28:50 <badcloud> make a few partitions
May 25 21:28:57 <badcloud> and try a few at a time
May 25 21:29:34 <lestat> badcloud: well that's another dark point for me 
May 25 21:29:51 <badcloud> lestat: what is?
May 25 21:29:57 <lestat> badcloud: since there is not that much disk, i intend to use nfs or w/e for storing the music files
May 25 21:30:13 <badcloud> sounds fine, but what about a 16gb usd?
May 25 21:30:20 <max_posedon> I bought a 16G uSD for myself)
May 25 21:30:25 <lestat> i'm afraid of the perf of having mpd+ncmpc+ssh+nfs
May 25 21:30:39 <lestat> badcloud: i've more than 16GB of music :\
May 25 21:30:40 <badcloud> I think usd's are quite cheap now
May 25 21:30:45 <badcloud> lestat: right
May 25 21:30:55 <max_posedon> lestat, I don't see any problem
May 25 21:31:08 <max_posedon> neo hardware isn't upstream, but not so bad)
May 25 21:31:17 <lestat> ok ty :)
May 25 21:31:19 <badcloud> lestat: he's got a point
May 25 21:31:34 <lestat> good to know :)
May 25 21:31:49 <lestat> i really want to remove that audio cable in the middle of my living room ^^
May 25 21:32:05 <badcloud> but by crikey, next phone I'm getting will have a builtin hardware kbd (!!!)
May 25 21:32:14 <lestat> heh
May 25 21:32:40 <lestat> i'm not using the openmoko as a phone, but i'm waiting for the htc desire to arrive @ home :D
May 25 21:32:44 <badcloud> I can't tell how many times I've looked like a tool trying to imput text without a stylus
May 25 21:32:52 <max_posedon> but, lestat where neo will output sound?
May 25 21:33:04 <lestat> max_posedon: isn't there a mini jack ?
May 25 21:33:05 <max_posedon> neo's headphone output really bad
May 25 21:33:11 <lestat> awww 
May 25 21:33:17 <lestat> oh gnoes :(
May 25 21:33:24 <badcloud> yeah, it is pretty sub-decent
May 25 21:33:25 <max_posedon> audio from it really bad for some people
May 25 21:33:26 <badcloud> bass sucks
May 25 21:33:38 <badcloud> I mean, I use it for podcasts, max
May 25 21:33:44 <badcloud> max as in maximum
May 25 21:33:48 <badcloud> :P
May 25 21:34:03 <lestat> you mean it's not ok to plug the openmoko on your hifi ? :(
May 25 21:34:19 <max_posedon> yep, check it
May 25 21:34:21 <badcloud> I've tried it before. recorded recitals sound ok
May 25 21:34:23 <max_posedon> its really sucks
May 25 21:34:37 <badcloud> but I'm sure that music with a lot of layers won't
May 25 21:34:45 <lestat> mmm right, that's a cheap test i can try
May 25 21:35:03 <lestat> aww so disapointed :<
May 25 21:35:20 <badcloud> lestat: sorry man
May 25 21:35:42 <lestat> badcloud: no worries, i prefer to hear that now, rather than being disapointed after losing this much time ^
May 25 21:35:45 <lestat> ^^
May 25 21:35:51 <badcloud> not many plusses to the fr apart from being completely open, is there, max_posedon?
May 25 21:35:56 <badcloud> lestat: true
May 25 21:36:13 <max_posedon> badcloud, I think its many for me
May 25 21:36:19 <badcloud> max_posedon: touche
May 25 21:37:51 <lestat> any idea what kind of device i could use with decent audio ?
May 25 21:37:58 <badcloud> I think I'd be on the same page if I knew more about programming/hacking/etc.
May 25 21:37:59 <lestat> not too expensive
May 25 21:38:21 <badcloud> lestat: would it have to be a quasi-pda/smartphone?
May 25 21:38:48 <lestat> badcloud: nah just a minimal not too expensive, not too power sucking device
May 25 21:39:04 <lestat> with decent audio and wifi
May 25 21:39:14 <lestat> (running linux of course :P)
May 25 21:39:45 <max_posedon> I suggest one of the guruplug family
May 25 21:39:57 <badcloud> lestat: I got an idea, but give me a sec
May 25 21:40:23 <lestat> mm let me check what is this
May 25 21:40:27 <max_posedon> guruplug display have even hdmi, some versions have wifi/bluetooth
May 25 21:40:46 <max_posedon> its sheevaplug2.0, price 99$-170$ depend on configuration
May 25 21:40:55 <max_posedon> and really powerfull(arm based)
May 25 21:41:06 <max_posedon> 1.2Ghz + 512Mb DDR2 ram
May 25 21:41:48 <badcloud> here: http://hackaday.com/2005/03/13/300gig-ipod/
May 25 21:42:08 <lestat> neat
May 25 21:42:30 <badcloud> here's another http://hackaday.com/2004/12/28/linux-your-ipod/
May 25 21:42:48 <badcloud> might be outdated though
May 25 21:43:07 <badcloud> a *little* ;)
May 25 21:43:28 <lestat> badcloud: nice, but i guess i hate apple too much to buy anything from them :P
May 25 21:44:08 <badcloud> lestat: I get that mind body and soul
May 25 21:44:20 <lestat> :]
May 25 21:44:22 <badcloud> down with the Fischer Price of computing!
May 25 21:44:52 <max_posedon> I still suggest guruplugs)
May 25 21:45:59 <lestat> max_posedon: yeah looking at it looks awesome
May 25 21:46:51 <badcloud> looks pretty cool
May 25 21:47:05 <badcloud> another option is to get a router with usb
May 25 21:47:16 <badcloud> get a good usb sound card
May 25 21:47:24 <badcloud> openwrt on it, and walla
May 25 21:47:31 <badcloud> or vwalla
May 25 21:47:34 <badcloud> whatever
May 25 21:47:40 <max_posedon> good usb sound card with firmware which works with mips hardware
May 25 21:47:45 <max_posedon> it might not be so easy
May 25 21:47:52 <badcloud> I've done it before
May 25 21:48:06 <badcloud> but a one piece makes more sence
May 25 21:48:10 <badcloud> *sense
May 25 21:48:16 <badcloud> if the price is right
May 25 21:48:23 <max_posedon> nice, but I still suggest guruplug, it can do *a lot of work* in same time)
May 25 21:49:40 <lestat> badcloud: voila :P
May 25 21:50:23 <badcloud> lestat: that's what I was fumbling for
May 25 21:50:29 <lestat> :)
May 25 21:52:15 <badcloud> gonna go to bed. drop by and tell us what you ended up getting/doing, lestat :)
May 25 21:52:24 <lestat> sure no problem :)
May 25 21:52:27 <lestat> have a nice sleep
May 25 21:52:33 <badcloud> merci
May 25 21:52:35 <badcloud> :)
May 25 21:52:37 <lestat> ^^
May 25 21:54:17 <lestat> max_posedon: about the neorunner sound device, is it a hardware problem ? or firmware/software
May 25 21:54:26 <lestat> *freerunner
May 25 21:54:52 <max_posedon> lestat, hardware
May 25 21:55:05 <lestat> ok
May 25 21:55:14 <max_posedon> you will find reports if google "neo freerunner bass problem
May 25 21:55:30 <max_posedon> as I know latest versions of Neo have better quality
May 25 21:55:35 <max_posedon> but problem still exists
May 25 22:13:45 <lestat> max_posedon: i can find links for a sheevaplug with only ethernet, but not the one with wifi :(
May 25 22:14:13 <lestat> oh
May 25 22:14:15 <lestat> nm
May 25 22:14:16 <lestat> got it
May 25 22:14:16 <max_posedon> lestat, I said
May 25 22:14:20 <max_posedon> "guruplug"
May 25 22:14:26 <max_posedon> its next version of sheevaplug
May 25 22:14:28 <max_posedon> )
May 25 22:15:00 <lestat> oh sorry you said sheevaplug2
May 25 22:15:25 <lestat> well you said both 
May 25 22:15:29 <max_posedon> )
May 25 23:33:35 <Tembo> hi
May 25 23:33:42 <Tembo> anyone there?
May 25 23:33:54 <SpeedEvil> no.
May 25 23:33:58 <SpeedEvil> I'm here, not there.
May 25 23:34:19 <Tembo> Speed can you giveme a hand on a neo1973?
May 25 23:34:29 <Tembo> I got a debian leny
May 25 23:34:39 <Tembo> installed with all stuff needed
May 25 23:34:43 <SpeedEvil> What's the issue
May 25 23:34:55 <Tembo> but can't reflash the neo1973 with a debug card v3
May 25 23:35:09 <SpeedEvil> Why not?
May 25 23:35:42 <Tembo> I got message like this
May 25 23:35:45 <Tembo> hold on
May 25 23:49:04 <Tembo> with openocd 0.4.0 can be done the reflash?
May 25 23:49:28 <Tembo> all openocd.cfg example I found is with older version
May 25 23:50:08 <Tembo> I think my problem is that I got a discharged battery
May 25 23:50:14 <Tembo> and have no way to charge it
May 26 00:15:33 <Tembo> was the fucking battery
May 26 00:15:44 <Tembo> will restart all over again
May 26 02:24:51 <Tembo> I replaced the battery
May 26 02:25:16 <Tembo> then used openocd 0.4.0 to load lowlevel.bin and u-boot.bin
May 26 02:25:25 <Tembo> everything worked
May 26 02:25:39 <Tembo> now I can see the penguin
May 26 02:25:49 <Tembo> but now I got stucked at dfu-util
May 26 02:26:01 <Tembo> I got this error
May 26 02:26:04 <Tembo> Cannot claim interface: could not claim interface 2: No such file or directory
May 26 02:26:23 <Tembo> if I use dfu-util -l 
May 26 02:26:35 <Tembo> I got 
May 26 02:26:38 <Tembo> Found Runtime: [0x1457:0x5119] devnum=116, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="USB Device Firmware Upgrade"
May 26 02:26:54 <Tembo> what else show I look for?
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