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Jun 10 14:46:32 <cz_jc> hi anyone knows if its possible to set pcf50633's RTC via u-boot easily? (a few mw commands maybe?)
Jun 10 14:47:25 <cz_jc> lol ! nevermind, there's a date command in u-boot
Jun 10 14:49:22 <cz_jc> wth.. no matter what I set, the month is always set as 01, how come ?
Jun 10 15:38:48 <ronny> hi
Jun 10 15:39:25 <ronny> anyone here aware how to set up the routing on a computer using network-manager instead of scripts/configfiles?
Jun 10 15:58:38 <tomcatek> ronny: depends on distribution/network manager
Jun 10 15:59:08 <ronny> i decided to go for /etc/network/interfaces + scripts
Jun 10 15:59:09 <tomcatek> ronny: or even on desktop envirenment (kde/gnome/xfce/...)
Jun 10 16:54:29 <PaulFertser> ronny: hi
Jun 10 16:54:36 <PaulFertser> ronny: there's nice page about NM setup
Jun 10 16:54:42 <PaulFertser> ronny: on the wiki. let me try to find it.
Jun 10 16:55:24 <PaulFertser> ronny: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Plug-and-Play_USB_Networking
Jun 10 16:56:03 <PaulFertser> That said, i personally question the way NM does (and always did) things. It's configuration is cubersome and inflexible, imho.
Jun 10 16:57:19 <ronny> PaulFertser: well, i just use it as ui for setting up wlans and static ip's, that part works very fine
Jun 10 17:00:19 <PaulFertser> ronny: i'm not sure how it integrates with wpa_cli, i'm not sure how it integrates with traditional distro configuration settings etc etc. I suspect it does some utterly wrong thing. And nobody knows how it works. Ask network driver devs: the first thing they ask user to do when troubleshooting is to turn the hell off that NM.
Jun 10 17:02:48 <ronny> PaulFertser: i suppose thas pretty reasonable - i have allways seen thatthing as enduser convience toy
Jun 10 17:04:22 <PaulFertser> ronny: being hardly known and unpredictable is something i wouldn't call convenient. :/
Jun 10 17:04:50 <ronny> PaulFertser: when it works everything is fine
Jun 10 17:05:02 <ronny> PaulFertser: and thats about as far as the enduser mind goes
Jun 10 17:05:12 <PaulFertser> ronny: you can say the same about windows and other shit
Jun 10 17:05:23 <ronny> true
Jun 10 17:05:38 <ronny> thats why i added 'toy'
Jun 10 17:06:32 <PaulFertser> That's why i added shit
Jun 10 17:06:46 <PaulFertser> well, nevermind, foul mood here again.
Jun 10 17:11:19 <ronny> meh, i wish dfu-util hat a more usefull progress-bar
Jun 10 17:15:29 <ronny> dammit - dfu-upload failed twice now 
Jun 10 17:25:41 <undrwater> i've been seeing it too...
Jun 10 20:16:51 <LionKMP> Hi all. When I turn on NeoFR with power, I see no menu, just boot. Does that mean I have Qi?
Jun 10 20:18:34 <LionKMP> I can't get SHR booting recenlty, whichever version I try.  Just a few (4) kernel messages appear nothing else.
Jun 10 20:18:46 <LionKMP> I think I even tried version which worked 1-2 months ago.
Jun 10 20:19:13 <LionKMP> (4 unkown boot option messages)
Jun 10 20:19:24 <JaMa> LionKMP: read log from yesterday.. someone had similar problem.. and maybe you have same problem
Jun 10 20:19:51 <LionKMP> ok, thanks. Is it on a website?
Jun 10 20:20:19 <JaMa> ~logs
Jun 10 20:20:29 <JaMa> !logs
Jun 10 20:20:29 <cdbot2> Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at:
Jun 10 20:20:30 <cdbot2> http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko
Jun 10 20:20:31 <cdbot2> Live-logs are available at
Jun 10 20:20:32 <cdbot2> http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog
Jun 10 20:20:33 <apt> All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. logs are updated daily
Jun 10 20:20:35 <cdbot2> See ?? help-logs for usage instructions
Jun 10 20:20:39 <LionKMP> thank you! :)
Jun 10 20:33:35 <PaulFertser> LionKMP: if you're unsure which bootloader you have, i suggest flashing the one you want to have
Jun 10 20:35:41 <JaMa> PaulFertser: Hi Paul, how is biking? :)
Jun 10 20:36:12 <JaMa> PaulFertser: I went for short trip with sister today.. tracks still full of water and mud, but it was fun :)
Jun 10 22:00:54 <ThibG> hm, does anyone have a clean u-boot env?
Jun 11 01:20:17 <mick_laptop> hi everyone, i've tried to get android on my openmoko to no availe
Jun 11 01:20:22 <mick_laptop> s3c2410_udc: debugfs dir creation failed -19
Jun 11 01:20:29 <mick_laptop> then after another reboot:
Jun 11 01:20:33 <mick_laptop> after rebooting i get: CRCFAIL 0x1a3f again
Jun 11 01:20:40 <mick_laptop> i think i need a newer kernel
Jun 11 01:20:58 <mick_laptop> what should i flash first? bootloader, then kernel?
Jun 11 01:21:13 <mick_laptop> http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/NeoFreerunner/ <-- figured i'd get it from here
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