**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 11 02:59:57 2010 Jun 11 03:36:39 when i have this thing plugged into the power outlet does it charge if the aux button doesnt turn red? **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 11 04:19:31 2010 Jun 11 06:39:59 mick_laptop: as a general idea, charging works properly only when the system is fully booted. Jun 11 06:40:14 mick_laptop: flashing sequence doesn't matter. Jun 11 10:07:10 JaMa: hi there Jun 11 10:07:47 JaMa: well... I decided not to go to the greatest non-commercial open-air music fest because i was afraid i'd have to go ~100km in rain alone :/ Jun 11 10:07:52 The weather sucks here. Jun 11 10:14:09 JaMa: "A man walks by a playground and sees a little girl in a dress on a swing. He says: "Hey, girl, why are you wearing a dress, it's too cold outside", Girl: "Because it's summer", Man: "Just look at the temperature, it's really cold now", Girl: "Well, it's still a summer, ain't it?", Man: "There's plenty of snow on the ground, how on earth can this be summer?!", Girl: "That's some motherfucking kind of summer indeed" Jun 11 10:15:41 Apparently /me sucks at telling jokes Jun 11 11:04:41 PaulFertser: hehe Jun 11 11:05:06 PaulFertser: while reading I wasn't sure if it's joke or true story from real life :) Jun 11 12:51:54 damn i think i bricked my phone Jun 11 12:52:13 mick_laptop: gta01? Jun 11 12:52:29 gta02 Jun 11 12:52:54 nm, it started to work (randomly) Jun 11 12:52:57 gta02 is harder to brick, what did you do and why do you think it's bricked Jun 11 12:52:58 *sigh* Jun 11 12:53:00 have you soldered on the motherboard? Jun 11 12:53:07 If not - you basically can't. Jun 11 12:53:25 well i tried to get the thing to boot for a long time Jun 11 12:53:38 held down the power for minutes at a time Jun 11 12:53:45 no response Jun 11 12:53:55 now, it did come up Jun 11 12:54:10 SpeedEvil: it's safe to dump mtd[245]? Jun 11 12:54:17 yes Jun 11 12:54:34 there is a backup flash that you cannot write to with the standard hardware. Jun 11 12:54:37 now to try and put android on this thing (again) Jun 11 12:54:40 That contains a copy of uboot Jun 11 12:54:51 SpeedEvil: you mean NOR right? Jun 11 12:55:04 has anyone put out a recent version in jffs? Jun 11 12:55:17 or do i need to go the sd card route? Jun 11 12:55:36 mick_laptop: shr is always available with jffs images.. Jun 11 12:55:38 since that didn't wfm, i just figured i'd flash the device w/ a decent jffs Jun 11 12:55:55 SpeedEvil: one of those is not so easy to restore IIRC Jun 11 12:55:56 mtd2: 00040000 00020000 "depr-ub-env" Jun 11 12:55:56 mtd4: 000a0000 00020000 "depr" Jun 11 12:55:56 mtd5: 00040000 00020000 "identity-ext2" Jun 11 12:56:07 PaulFertser: you probably know ^^ Jun 11 12:56:57 i'll just go w/ shr for now Jun 11 12:57:06 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ from here -right? Jun 11 12:57:12 or is stable prefered? Jun 11 12:57:27 i'm not sure if it is like debian in that way (where most people just use testing) Jun 11 12:59:50 mick_laptop: feel free to use unstable if you're not depending on FR as daily phone Jun 11 13:11:14 anyone know what carrier in the US allows an openmoko on their network? Jun 11 13:11:42 i remember that i had an issue w/ one carrier that didn't allow any phones that they didnt sell you Jun 11 13:12:02 any gsm provider Jun 11 13:17:06 i forget which gsm provider told me "no you can't have that phone on our network" :) Jun 11 13:18:52 mjr: which one do you use? Jun 11 13:20:26 Saunalahti. In Finland. Jun 11 13:21:47 but are you sure they weren't using a more proprietary cell tech? Jun 11 13:34:55 ah "finland" Jun 11 13:35:01 see, i asked about the US ;) Jun 11 13:35:20 they are scared that a malfunctioning phone will screw w/ the network Jun 11 13:35:25 i think Jun 11 13:35:58 You also asked which one I was using. It's not my fault you made assumptions :รพ Jun 11 13:36:49 not everyone is from the US? *gasp* Jun 11 13:36:57 i'm just kidding ;) Jun 11 13:38:25 anyway, I really doubt they block phones routinely, it's one of the huge benefits of gsm that "any" compliant phone will work with any network Jun 11 13:38:45 (modulo frequencies and all, yeah...) Jun 11 13:48:15 they have something where they put the mac (or some equivalent) into their computer as an "allowed device" Jun 11 13:48:26 when they saw my phone, they were like "ummm, no" Jun 11 13:48:53 who're "they"? Jun 11 13:49:27 the people at the store, when i tried to get a plan Jun 11 13:49:34 i think it was t-mobile Jun 11 13:49:54 and they're just being bastards then, but the US mobile industry being the anticompetitive piece of excrement that it is, I suppose it's not too surprising Jun 11 13:50:11 one would think though that they allowed random phones to roam there at least... Jun 11 13:50:25 yup, they are bastards Jun 11 13:50:49 the better business beaureu has a separate department that deals just w/ cellphone suckyness Jun 11 13:51:00 it is their version of /dev/null :) Jun 11 13:52:03 new SHR seems pretty sweet Jun 11 13:52:12 anyway, I suppose AT&T is "the other" option around there, bastards too as I understand but ... Jun 11 13:52:22 even worse Jun 11 14:19:17 JaMa|GoNe: the device would work just fine without an identity partition (it will lack persistent usb mac). And Qi doesn't need any u-boot env. Jun 11 14:27:20 shr (unstable) just crashed after a few minutes (enlightenment had an issue) - so I'm going to try testing Jun 11 14:32:48 mick_laptop: did you do a fresh install of the latest shr-u? Jun 11 14:41:45 emsyr: from http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ Jun 11 14:41:56 used the OM Flasher Jun 11 14:42:54 mick_laptop: and you' re having a problem? Jun 11 14:43:25 enlightenment crashed after a few minutes of a fresh flash Jun 11 14:43:30 so i'm trying testing Jun 11 14:43:35 flashing now Jun 11 14:44:10 after enlightenment crashed (it told me "enlightenment crashed....") it became a bit unstable Jun 11 14:44:23 unresponsive at times and just acted "funny" Jun 11 14:45:52 I've been using the latest testing for the last few weeks Jun 11 14:46:23 It's stable enough but has some minor problems too... Jun 11 14:48:11 i wanted to try android but i never did get that to work Jun 11 14:48:17 i followed a few guides Jun 11 14:48:31 i tried w/ an ext3 + vfat - then only vfat Jun 11 14:48:59 i just untar'ed the contents in there - but i think it could have been failing because my bootloader was old Jun 11 14:49:58 i had gotten a CRCFail message before which looked like it wanted a newer kernel Jun 11 14:50:18 any other distribution? Jun 11 14:51:30 have i tried another one? Jun 11 14:51:34 not recently Jun 11 14:52:00 i kind of got fed up w/ trying to get something to work in a reliable way before Jun 11 14:52:09 and get a carrier that did't suck Jun 11 14:52:35 when i saw the FOSDEM thing w/ android on om - i got interested again Jun 11 14:53:43 you can tried again then.. Jun 11 14:53:54 yup will do Jun 11 14:53:57 *try it Jun 11 14:54:02 i wanted to try SHR again though Jun 11 14:54:04 seemed nice Jun 11 14:54:20 and if i can get wifi+gps+pidgin i'll be happy :) Jun 11 14:54:50 reliable enough to use with your fr Jun 11 14:54:59 fr? Jun 11 14:55:10 freerunner Jun 11 14:55:16 i'd love it if i could use my OM to make *reliable* calls Jun 11 14:55:25 you know, where there is no jitter ;) Jun 11 14:55:48 the latest one has problems with the wifi connections though Jun 11 14:56:02 you can try the previous one Jun 11 14:56:23 latest SHR or android? Jun 11 14:56:44 emsyr: what is the link to the one that you recommend i check out? Jun 11 14:58:37 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20100426-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Jun 11 14:58:52 for nand Jun 11 14:59:10 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20100426-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz Jun 11 14:59:15 for sd card Jun 11 15:17:40 as for android "sorry i was not able to find installation files sorry" Jun 11 15:18:34 at least it had the descency to appologize :) Jun 11 15:20:57 tried w/ another one just fat - unable to load mmc fatload Jun 11 18:43:29 few minor problems with shr-unstable--like 2 programs that pop up by their self after suspend Jun 11 18:43:56 wifi works great or atleast much better Jun 11 18:44:13 gsm works very well Jun 11 18:45:12 i can leave my wireless area then return an it hooks back up very well Jun 11 18:49:44 is sms sending/receiving reliably for you? this was the reason why i changed back to my old cellphone a few weeks ago Jun 11 18:51:30 everything else worked quite well, but without to be sure that sms worked (there is no visual feedback when sending) it was not reliably enough to be my primary phone :( Jun 11 18:52:13 i missed quite some sms and some i sended never arrived Jun 11 18:52:25 Fox_Muldr: did you try opimd-notify? Jun 11 18:52:46 i guess that wouldn't solve that problem Jun 11 18:53:12 i only new about opimd-notify after i wrote this in a mail in the mailinglist. but i don't think that it changes anything about the sms problems Jun 11 18:53:41 no...it doesn't Jun 11 18:53:43 but i really like opimd-notify. it should be default enabled in shr-u :) Jun 11 18:53:50 looks so nice Jun 11 18:53:50 it is nice Jun 11 18:56:57 i think it would be very helpfull if after sending a sms there were a visual feedback from fso if the delivery to the gsm network was successfull or something went wrong. so at least i could see if my sms were send or not. Jun 11 18:57:31 my old sony ericcson always shows a status window when sending and it shows ok or error, regarding the state of the sending Jun 11 18:59:43 when replying with opimd, you can see that your message was sent Jun 11 19:00:17 it moves up into the "conversation" "window" :) Jun 11 19:00:52 lots of upgrades right now Jun 11 19:01:01 hmm ok, i never relied to a message in the week i used it as main phone. but when sending a new message to someone it always shows up in the list of sended sms without any notice if it realy got sended Jun 11 19:01:07 replied Jun 11 19:01:48 i'm hoping xrandr gets fixed soon too Jun 11 19:02:12 what xrandr problem is there? i only use rotate and this works very good Jun 11 19:02:49 shr-u? Jun 11 19:03:06 when i rotate, the calibration is thrown off Jun 11 19:03:15 yes, shr-u. but to be honest i had to modify a script a bit after a hint in the mailing list because else the touchscreen gets confused :) Jun 11 19:03:25 yes...i saw that Jun 11 19:03:42 that's what i'm talking about :) not having to modify that script Jun 11 19:04:00 yes, exactly this problem i had and it is because of preparing for the newer 2.6.34 kernels. but as long as there is no newer kernel i changed this preparation back and it worked again :) Jun 11 19:04:46 i can redo this change if a new kernel arrives but until then i like to use rotation ;) Jun 11 19:05:05 i played with a couple of the .32 kernels...looking forward to a release Jun 11 19:05:41 does your modification hold after reboot? Jun 11 19:05:58 when i read the comments in the ml right it seems that the new kernel is getting very close to shr-u. but who knows :) Jun 11 19:05:59 yes Jun 11 19:06:04 it is permanent Jun 11 19:06:11 can you paste? Jun 11 19:06:11 and only very minor changes to do Jun 11 19:06:24 i can point you to the mail from the list Jun 11 19:06:32 it's quite easy Jun 11 19:06:40 i saw it...and when i made changes, i must have screwed it up Jun 11 19:06:57 because calibration was messed for both modes :P Jun 11 19:07:21 no it works quite good since i changed it back Jun 11 19:07:35 have you done both changes meantioned in the mail? Jun 11 19:07:41 yes Jun 11 19:07:59 this worked for me after a reboot Jun 11 19:08:08 i'll try again Jun 11 19:08:39 but /etc/pointercal.xinput was installed only a short time later by a new upgrade so i had to remove it again. ;) Jun 11 19:09:54 hmmmm....maybe that was the problem...i removed it, and maybe update replaced it Jun 11 19:10:55 yeah for me it did replace it. i only saw it because i toke a look in the list of upgradeable packages before doing a real upgrade Jun 11 19:12:49 mostly i need screen rotating for scummvm to work. i love to play monkey island again when driving in the train :) Jun 11 19:18:29 i haven't tried scummvm on freerunner yet Jun 11 19:19:31 it's nice. and the games run very well. but some of them were designed for C64 and better so i think the freerunner is more than enough for them :) Jun 11 19:20:14 how about interface and menus? Jun 11 19:21:01 works all ok in landscape mode Jun 11 19:21:37 i changed the aux key to start the ingame menu when lanuching scummvm so i even can save and load the games without too much trouble Jun 11 19:22:09 what does aux do outside of game? Jun 11 19:23:10 nothing at the moment. i would like to use screen lock again outside of game but at the moment it is not possible. Jun 11 19:23:29 i want to use siglaunchd for this but it isn't working right at the moment :/ Jun 11 19:24:33 i'm using it to bring up the dialer...i can pretty much do most phone stuff from there Jun 11 19:25:02 do you use multiple functions for aux like short press and longer press? Jun 11 19:25:33 i tried...but with long press, both actions are triggered Jun 11 19:25:42 at the moment i don't see how i could realize that without siglaunchd working :/ Jun 11 19:25:48 so i had short press= dialer and long press= rotate Jun 11 19:26:26 hmm and how do you bind the button to these two functions? at the moment i can only use one function at all Jun 11 19:26:32 long press brought up the dialer, then rotated screen about 10 times :P Jun 11 19:26:50 hehe ok Jun 11 19:26:52 it's in illume-settings, key-binding, Jun 11 19:27:15 yeah but could i change the action there for different lengths i press the button? Jun 11 19:27:26 i thought i could only bind one action there Jun 11 19:27:30 generic actions: delayed action Jun 11 19:27:57 just above Launch | Command Jun 11 19:28:13 ah ok. maybe i could use this for my purpose. the short action is just a normal keyboard action i define with xmodmap and for the long action i could use illume-settings Jun 11 19:28:36 if it works, let me know Jun 11 19:28:54 than the short action will also be executed but this is no problem for me because mostly no program reacts to F5 Jun 11 19:29:02 :) Jun 11 19:29:13 ahh Jun 11 19:29:34 then i could always assign F5 to aux and with longer press screen lock gets de-/activated Jun 11 19:29:37 in illume1, only the one action was executed Jun 11 19:29:54 i use illume2 Jun 11 19:29:57 me too Jun 11 19:30:11 keyboard in rotate is important :) Jun 11 19:30:18 the first action (F5) will always be executed no matter whyt i set in illume-settings ;) Jun 11 19:30:25 what Jun 11 19:30:59 illume1's keyboard didn't render correctly in landscape Jun 11 19:31:22 with illume2 the keyboard shows correct in landscape mode Jun 11 19:31:33 but delayed actions worked better...so first action wouln't take place if you held the button for second action Jun 11 19:31:50 yep...that's why i bit the bullet and went with illume2 Jun 11 19:31:56 yeah, but i can't define keypress F5 in illume settings, or could i? Jun 11 19:32:30 i thought just actions like screen lock or running programs Jun 11 19:32:36 you might be able to... Jun 11 19:33:00 hmm i just have to start my fr and try it over vnc :) Jun 11 19:33:09 yes Jun 11 19:36:01 ahhh Jun 11 19:36:33 keybord shortcuts is unuseable because in german the window is way to big and the left and right side is outside the screen Jun 11 19:38:51 what is the command line to start illume settings? maybe i can set the LANG var before starting it Jun 11 19:40:29 it's an enlightenment_remote command iirc Jun 11 19:50:53 evening Jun 11 19:51:10 hi Jun 11 19:52:40 I've always kept an eye on the openmoko, but alas, I'm not a great developer. I've now got an Android, but would still very much like a Free and Open phone platform. Is OpenMoko going to be that? Jun 11 19:53:06 openmoko is as free as you can get on the marked right now :) Jun 11 19:53:46 you have a completely free linux running on the openmoko Jun 11 19:54:23 think of the possibilities Jun 11 19:54:50 I can see the handset coming of age quite quickly, given the speed of the mobile market. Are phone manufacturers likely to develop compatible models? Jun 11 19:55:34 I'd love an age where the user can chose an open distro for their phone. Jun 11 19:57:04 n1md4: i don't think it will happen soon...unless at least one major carrier and one major manufacturer buy into the concept Jun 11 19:57:13 we have a free an open case design Jun 11 19:57:48 Openmoko is not going anywhere. Unless someones willing to inject a large slice of a million dollars in a small run. Jun 11 19:58:01 And the fundamental problem with that is that n900 has decapitated the market. Jun 11 19:58:09 n900 is quite free enough for many. Jun 11 19:58:38 naaaa just need a new pcb Jun 11 19:58:52 And unless you manage to come in lots under that pricepoint, especially as you won't have as shiny a phone, it gets hard to sell. Jun 11 19:58:54 that fits the case Jun 11 19:59:03 Umm... Jun 11 19:59:40 A new phone design from scratch will cost at least $10000 to develop. Jun 11 19:59:46 That is only counting parts cost. Jun 11 20:00:00 And assuming you get lucky, and it works after only a dozen revisions. Jun 11 20:00:02 some advanced free hardware thats "new" would doit for me Jun 11 20:00:06 Well, I see Android/Linux on many smart phones now. I think I mal-phrased my question, when do we get to install *unix on our phones, and does the OM project contribute toward that? Jun 11 20:00:21 n1md4: no. Jun 11 20:00:27 n1md4: Or only peripherally Jun 11 20:00:39 Some of the things used in OM, or improved in OM have been used elsewhere. Jun 11 20:01:14 And n900 is following the same path of going gtk->qt :) Jun 11 20:01:37 Advanced free hardware is horribly hard to do. Jun 11 20:01:47 The nice omponents are not available in small numbers. Jun 11 20:01:55 in shr-settings->key bindings i got three "keys" named "Execute", "Keycode-219" and "XF86PowerOff" and all of them are binded to phoneui-quick-settings. which one of these is which real key in the freerunner? Jun 11 20:02:01 or with open specs ;) Jun 11 20:02:05 that too Jun 11 20:02:26 Fox_Muldr: they all work Jun 11 20:02:44 you can delete them all and choose bind keys just to get the one Jun 11 20:02:50 for which key? aux or power? Jun 11 20:02:57 sorry...for power Jun 11 20:03:21 ok i try it for aux key Jun 11 20:03:22 aux is xf86phone Jun 11 20:04:09 i see now :) Jun 11 20:04:56 is there a command line to de-/activate the shr-u screen lock? Jun 11 20:05:14 it's a line in... /etc/something... Jun 11 20:05:26 maybe a dbus call or something like that which i could execute with a delayed action? Jun 11 20:05:44 apparently some large hardware mfgs are going to do it so get ready Jun 11 20:05:56 no i mean a command line which i can call from the shell myself Jun 11 20:07:03 Fox_Muldr: Oh! don't know about that Jun 11 20:07:18 i will search for it :) Jun 11 20:11:56 hmm the delayed actions doesn't work how i expected it Jun 11 20:14:14 i tried as parameter [0.0 exec vala-terminal][1.0 exec xev] and it always starts xev. and the longer i press aux the more xev processes are started :/ Jun 11 20:14:26 but never starts vala-terminal Jun 11 20:15:00 maybe i misinterpreted the numbers in front but i thought they were seconds to press the key Jun 11 20:16:10 undrwater: what param do you use there which works for you? Jun 11 20:23:55 Fox_Muldr: try 0.3 for vala Jun 11 20:24:25 ok i try 0.3 for vala and 2.0 for xev now Jun 11 20:24:30 and i had the same results as you...screen rotated multiple times Jun 11 20:24:47 the repetition of the programs is quite a bug i think :/ Jun 11 20:24:51 yep Jun 11 20:25:52 shoot...navit is broken Jun 11 20:26:53 hmm now nothing happens at all. something is really strange with this delayed actions ;) Jun 11 20:27:05 agreed Jun 11 20:28:22 i hoped i could use siglaunchd for that purpose but at the moment the press time parameter has no effect. so every rule for the same key is executed no matter the press time set ;) Jun 11 20:30:04 ok, than i will live with the current situation and use aux key for nothing more than F5 when in a game ;) Jun 11 20:33:36 heh Jun 11 21:41:34 anyone get android to run on their openmoko fr? Jun 11 21:46:26 yep Jun 11 21:46:52 not recommended for real life use, though Jun 11 21:46:52 all of the tutorials that i've tried didn't wfm Jun 11 21:47:04 and the openmoko is recommended? ;) Jun 11 21:47:15 "for real life use" Jun 11 21:47:17 shr-u or qtmoko Jun 11 21:48:00 if you have BT headset, qtmoko is more painless :) Jun 11 21:48:10 heh Jun 11 21:48:34 last i tried a distro i wasn't able to make a call w/o getting a crap load of jitter Jun 11 21:48:49 on the receiver side (not mine) Jun 11 21:49:59 do you have buzz fix? Jun 11 21:50:04 ? Jun 11 21:50:18 which handset do you have? Jun 11 21:50:42 i just made a call w/ my fr Jun 11 21:50:45 familiar with the wiki? Jun 11 21:51:09 i know it enough to say that it is outdated and inaccurate in many places :) Jun 11 21:51:26 true...but search for "buzz fix"...that may be your problem Jun 11 21:51:42 latest shr-u now has mic control in call...which might help as well Jun 11 21:51:46 well i figure one of the newer distros will have a fix Jun 11 21:52:02 i got mine from http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ Jun 11 21:52:16 that the prefered image? and place to get it? Jun 11 21:52:20 i'd recommend unstable Jun 11 21:52:28 it crashed on me Jun 11 21:52:32 so i went w/ testing Jun 11 21:52:33 unstable did??? Jun 11 21:52:41 enlightenment did - yes Jun 11 21:52:49 it was after 4 minutes of using it Jun 11 21:52:51 interesting...i've been getting crashes with testing Jun 11 21:52:56 so i went w. testing Jun 11 21:53:01 hmm Jun 11 21:53:01 very stable with unstable ;) Jun 11 21:53:11 how long ago did you flash unstable? Jun 11 21:53:28 how long ago ? Jun 11 21:53:31 this morning Jun 11 21:54:36 into NAND, or on SD? Jun 11 22:18:13 upgrading shr-u work from the 20100604 image? Jun 11 22:25:12 slaxxer: that's what i've got... Jun 11 22:25:24 seems to have broken navit...but everything else seems to work Jun 11 22:31:14 ok Jun 11 22:51:56 its a huge upgrade Jun 11 22:52:16 lots of linking going on Jun 11 22:52:41 if it works it will be the first time Jun 11 22:52:57 update-alternatives: Linking //usr/bin/renice to renice.util-linux-ng Jun 11 22:52:58 update-alternatives: Linking //usr/bin/wall to wall.sysvinit Jun 11 22:52:58 update-alternatives: Linking //usr/bin/chfn to chfn.util-linux-ng Jun 11 22:52:58 update-alternatives: Linking //usr/bin/newgrp to newgrp.util-linux-ng Jun 11 22:52:58 update-alternatives: Linking //usr/bin/chsh to chsh.util-linux-ng Jun 11 22:52:58 update-alternatives: Linking //bin/login to login.util-linux-ng Jun 11 22:53:00 update-alternatives: Error: not linking //sbin/vipw to vipw. Jun 11 22:53:07 etc Jun 11 23:04:29 worked OK for me Jun 11 23:10:13 so far so good!! Jun 11 23:10:37 :D Jun 11 23:11:16 anybody find a good cheap source for screens for gta02/? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jun 12 02:59:56 2010