**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 14 02:59:57 2010 Jun 14 03:21:04 ^^ Jun 14 03:22:42 everyone 're rarely active at this hour Jun 14 03:28:04 what hour is that? Jun 14 03:32:19 now 's 10:31 at my place Jun 14 03:32:40 the channel 's more active after 14:30 Jun 14 03:36:56 2029 here Jun 14 03:45:06 05:45 here :-) Jun 14 03:45:28 04: Jun 14 06:34:10 Fox_M|afk: hey, i've got to admit i _do_ loose incoming sms messages :/ Jun 14 06:59:20 Hi everyone, there're some fso packages built in Ubuntu. Does that means with a GSM modem I can use my laptop as a phone? Jun 14 07:39:30 naquan: does your hardware support that? I mean how do you plan to route audio? If yes, FSO can be made to do that with (hopefully) minor modifications (i.e. you need to "port" it to your target). Jun 14 07:43:54 PaulFertser: uhm, i don't know. I have a usb device that 's identified as a GSM modem, normally i can use it to access 3G network. but I don't know if it can make calls or sending SMS messages. Jun 14 07:44:55 sending sms should afaik usually work since it's just a matter of an at command Jun 14 07:45:30 the audio part of calling is trickier, not necessarily supported on all devices, or documented if it is Jun 14 07:46:02 there _is_ support for audio calls over Huawei E169 for asterisk Jun 14 07:49:40 mjr: mine is Huawei E620, will it work? Jun 14 07:52:28 haven't heard that any aside E169 would Jun 14 07:52:47 "Huawei E169 and K3520 are the only models that support voice, so other Jun 14 07:52:48 models just work for sms." Jun 14 07:53:33 that's a bit over a year old though, it might be that some other workable ones have come since then, look around Asterisk info and/or ask Asterisk people Jun 14 07:53:36 http://lists.elastix.org/pipermail/beta-testers/2009-May/000517.html Jun 14 07:58:38 mjr: thank you Jun 14 08:06:38 Fox_Muldr: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/566 Jun 14 08:44:02 tnx for the link Jun 14 08:44:52 Fox_Muldr: just got more debugging data there Jun 14 08:46:18 at the moment i'm using my neo again as main phone. i hope i didn't lost too much of my incoming sms ;) Jun 14 08:50:35 Fox_Muldr: i hope mickey|wm will pay attention to this bug really soon, now that i got enough debugging info. Jun 14 08:53:05 seems like he is a soccer fan. so i think we have to wait until the soccer wm is over. or at least until germany lost :) Jun 14 09:59:31 hi Jun 14 14:14:16 i have a problem my on screen keyboard ain't working Jun 14 14:15:43 it does in mokonnect and but it doesnt show anything in terminal or in messages Jun 14 15:46:36 JaMa: i wonder if i can make a diy "enclosure" for a bicycle (suitable for air transfers) but i want it to be transformable into a bicycle luggage bag. Does this sound sane? Jun 14 16:01:46 Sure. Jun 14 19:19:46 PaulFertser: all diy designs I've seen looked dangerous for neo or too robust for normal use, last one from today was: http://multi.xeres.cz/freerunner/drzak-na-kolo Jun 14 19:20:46 PaulFertser: so sofar I'm happy with fr in luggage bag and checking map only once an hour or so (for longer trips it's usually enough) Jun 14 19:20:52 JaMa: i guess you're talking about something else. I'm talking about using airplane to get me and my bike somewhere and then to be able to comfortably ride there (and that means no or very little backpack) Jun 14 19:21:32 PaulFertser: aaah :) sorry Jun 14 19:21:57 PaulFertser: I used paper box from new bike (for free from bike store) Jun 14 19:22:45 but it was far from "transformable into a bicycle luggage bag" :/ Jun 14 19:23:31 I've seen some plastic bags.. but they seemd to thin to protect bike during flight.. Jun 14 19:23:43 JaMa: i'm not sure the idea is feasible at all. But it'd feel unnatural to carry that enclosure during the whole trip without making any use of it (except for the air transfer). Jun 14 19:24:32 Bike needs no protection during the flight. They just take them and put on other luggage, on top of the container. I'd guess there's little damage possible that way. Jun 14 19:25:11 in those metal crate things, you mean? Jun 14 19:25:34 I think not all luggage goes in those.. I've seen a lot of bags being thrown on and off planes without them.. Jun 14 19:27:57 Weiss: how can it be possible? Jun 14 19:28:12 Weiss: how can they transfer bags to/from the plane? Jun 14 19:28:15 PaulFertser: http://www.cyklo-obchod.cz/?p=productsMore&iProduct=589&sName=Scicon-Pocket-Bike-Bag is only about 0.5kg.. but I wouldn't take it as safe enclosure :/ Jun 14 19:29:33 JaMa: it doesn't need to be safe, imho. It needs to be "bicycle", so the workers put it on top, just that. Jun 14 19:30:11 something like those guys? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRFcbWdn360 Jun 14 19:32:34 JaMa: scary, indeed. I'm not sure how common is that, and i'm not sure much damage can be done to a bike that way (if put on top). Jun 14 19:33:59 PaulFertser: I never travel by plane with bike.. so cannot comment on that.. well I was even scared to damage my bike in paper box when it was in bus below 3 more bikes :) Jun 14 20:09:15 has anyone tried Apacer 8GB class 4 microsdhc ? Jun 14 20:09:37 I got it and it doesn't work in FR :/ Every other linux perfectly though Jun 14 20:10:20 cz_jc: not even with a lower mmc clock and/or higher drive strength? Jun 14 20:10:38 PaulFertser, I could try. Does it really make a difference ? Jun 14 20:11:11 cz_jc: of course it does, some cards are known to require that. Jun 14 20:11:21 PaulFertser, thank you, I'll try it Jun 14 20:11:49 btw. mmcinit says Product name: "SU08G", revision 8.0 Jun 14 20:12:02 but the size is just 3MiB for some reason Jun 14 20:12:11 cz_jc: the size shown by u-boot? Jun 14 20:12:20 PaulFertser, that's affirmitive Jun 14 20:12:42 cz_jc: u-boot have/had some bugs wrt size Jun 14 20:13:50 PaulFertser, yeah.. it's just that except with the transcrend 512MB that comes with FR, no other card did even show up there for me.. finding it odd Jun 14 20:14:07 PaulFertser, ok you meant this ? glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=10000000 glamo_mci.sd_drive=2 Jun 14 20:14:11 cz_jc: yes Jun 14 20:14:22 ok I'll append it and try booting, wish me luck :) Jun 14 20:14:27 cz_jc: of course it affects only the kernel communication, not the bootloader. Jun 14 20:15:27 PaulFertser, yeah, I learned with uboot and microsd.. I keep the kernel in nand :) Jun 14 20:15:51 cz_jc: when i faced a problem with my new uSD, i hacked on Qi code ;) Jun 14 20:16:06 PaulFertser, did you manage to solve it ? Jun 14 20:16:47 cz_jc: yes, by adding some delay somewhere, took me quite some time to figure that out because i had no serial console and had to hack it blindly. Jun 14 20:17:56 PaulFertser, I have no serial consore either.. I wonder if it doesn't show up as a different partition or whatever for the new card in kernel Jun 14 20:18:21 PaulFertser, well congrats for solving it :) Jun 14 20:18:28 and my card doesn't work with those drive settings.. Jun 14 20:18:30 cz_jc: just boot your backup system from nand and take a look at the dmesg. Jun 14 20:18:43 cz_jc: do you also use rootdelay=5 ? Jun 14 20:18:52 PaulFertser, hey ! that's a good idea ! Jun 14 20:19:03 cz_jc: some folks reported they needed even 15 with 2.6.32. Jun 14 20:19:18 I'm gonna punch in 30 to be on the safe side :) Jun 14 20:19:36 cz_jc: add debuglevel=7 as well then Jun 14 20:19:55 nice, those kernel options gotta get documented somewhere :) Jun 14 20:20:45 cz_jc: debuglevel is documented in the Documentation/ somewhere, the glamo-mci options are documented in the sources and are shown by modinfo. Jun 14 20:22:34 ok.. crossing my fingers and waiting for rootdelay.. Jun 14 20:22:48 heey ! I got: 'no init found' this time Jun 14 20:22:53 that should mean the partition was found, right ? Jun 14 20:23:17 cz_jc: i do not remember exactly, i'd need to see dmesg output to tell for sure. Jun 14 20:23:31 first root device wasn't found.. which is very bad Jun 14 20:23:40 now init wasn't found.. maybe the card got wiped or something Jun 14 20:25:26 PaulFertser: about bike&airplane, push your bike to train and come to saint-petersburg, i can show you our local sea - finnish gulf. i push it to train in both 'econom class' - which is best for bicycle and even once had to push it into 'compartment' car (don't sure about english names). in economic class no problem - special bag, remove both wheels, handlebar, and one pedal. i think in craft same, but you have to tie all this much better than in train Jun 14 20:26:42 PaulFertser, and now I got unable to mount root on unknown-block(179,1) .. I give up... Jun 14 20:27:05 cz_jc: loglevel=8 is more correct Jun 14 20:27:14 cz_jc: yes, probably it's incompatible. Jun 14 20:27:32 PaulFertser, I got kernel messages to fb disabled apparently, since I only got 3 error lines on boot.. Jun 14 20:27:46 cz_jc: yes, that's loglevel Jun 14 20:27:47 I think I'm gonna recompile the kernel later with more verbosity and see what it has to say.. Jun 14 20:28:14 gena2x: i'd like to come to "gentoo white nights" btw Jun 14 20:28:16 PaulFertser, nah I'm pretty sure there was an option that made resume from suspend faster but supressed kernel messages Jun 14 20:28:33 cz_jc: it is the same option, loglevel Jun 14 20:29:10 PaulFertser, ok I'll try it again.. but it didn't do any difference the first time.. Jun 14 20:29:39 cz_jc: it's strange you can't see a working card anyway. Jun 14 20:29:49 PaulFertser: on airplane? Jun 14 20:30:04 PaulFertser, yeah.. it works like a breeze on other linux boxes :/ Jun 14 20:32:08 gena2x: no, on train. But probably i missed the opportunity to buy cheap tickets already :/ Jun 14 20:32:18 PaulFertser, hey you're right, loglevel=7 did nothing but with =8, it spits tons of messages :) Jun 14 20:33:10 PaulFertser, it recognized it: mmc0: high speed SDHC card at address e726 Jun 14 20:33:47 PaulFertser, mmcblk0: mmc0:e726 SU08G 3.40GiB Jun 14 20:34:14 mmcblk0:<7>gta02_udc_command S3C2410_UDC_P_ENABLE Jun 14 20:34:17 p1 Jun 14 20:34:30 nothing more than that.. so it incorrectly sees it as 3GB microsd for some odd reason Jun 14 20:34:47 PaulFertser: easy to check :) night ride, oh... no route published. Jun 14 20:36:34 bingo ! guy with the same error: http://groups.google.com/group/rowboat/msg/b2a6f3b6cc2fe109?pli=1 Jun 14 20:36:52 apparently beagleboard isn't almighty either :) Jun 14 20:37:03 cz_jc: i think if you see p1, it should work... Jun 14 20:37:27 PaulFertser, I think /bin/init is out of the inode range.. Jun 14 20:38:25 PaulFertser: lol, in that night ride 2009 - "LOR announce is very unwelcome" Jun 14 20:39:10 cz_jc: can you boot rootfs from nand to check it? Jun 14 20:39:34 PaulFertser, in about 30 minutes it takes shr to flash. I intend to Jun 14 20:41:50 gena2x: it looks like i'm not coming, there's no "platzcart" tickets left, those assholes sell plenty of useless shitty "coupe" and "better" tickets, but the cheapest are all sold out apparently. Jun 14 20:42:22 gena2x: there's some tricky way to buy "booked" tickets but i do not know it. Jun 14 20:43:34 no way ! Jun 14 20:43:35 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1719 Jun 14 20:43:45 here's a guy who has the exact same card working on FR Jun 14 20:44:13 PaulFertser: don't know too. problem with coupe is that is really hard to place bicycle where. only if am.. 'stewardess' will like you :) Jun 14 20:45:05 PaulFertser: once i had to place 2 bicycles in coupe, i think my life became shorter because of this Jun 14 20:45:06 gena2x: the only problem with coupe is it's damn expensive while totally useless. Especially for a <12 hours trip. Jun 14 20:46:06 gena2x: oh, and i also have another problem: i got no mtb, and the only possible option is to borrow one from a friend. Jun 14 20:46:31 PaulFertser: do you have road one? Jun 14 20:47:56 gena2x: yes, i have a road racing bike, and another "former mtb" which is now equipped with a steel low-height suspensionless fork and slick tires. Jun 14 20:48:15 PaulFertser: (mine is 28~ slick too) Jun 14 20:49:31 gena2x: i'm also afraid i lack riding skills for the real cross-country, going fast on narrow paths is something "i'm yet to master" (or rather not). Jun 14 20:51:39 PaulFertser: and where are narrow paths in SPb? Jun 14 20:52:02 gena2x: not sure, i thought you like riding offroad Jun 14 20:53:00 PaulFertser: no. almost always onroad, 60km is normal distance (try this offroad :). up to 200 per day Jun 14 20:53:41 PaulFertser: so, if you'll want 1day trip, welcome :) Jun 14 20:54:31 PaulFertser:22km/h total overage is normal speed for 60km. Jun 14 20:55:52 gena2x: thanks for the offer Jun 14 20:58:02 JaMa: hi, are you still around? Jun 14 20:59:01 Where is SPb? Jun 14 20:59:21 n1md4: Saint-Petersburg, Russia Jun 14 21:01:02 Ah! I ride, but I'm from the UK. Jun 14 21:02:06 n1md4: :) openmoko users/devs ride from around world? (we may count WSes!) Jun 14 21:03:08 hi guys I'm looking for some tutorials / dokumentation for the glamo. Anyone a link? Important points: can the glamo blit images? means you copy one image in his ram and spread over and over the background. Its very useful for sprites. And we dont have to use the 7 MB/s only one time for data transfer. Jun 14 21:03:16 Other point: can you store several images in the SD RAM of the glamo and switch fast between them? Like some pages of book. In fact I think im asking if the glamo can use multiple framebuffers. And if its true: how can you write code to use them? Jun 14 21:04:01 Unfortunately don't have a FreeRunner. But, I'm insterested in embedded Linux on mobile devices. I want a smart phone with Arch Linux ;D Jun 14 21:04:33 rohezal: ask Weiss Jun 14 21:04:36 rohezal: all you need is Thomas White (aka Weiss) Jun 14 21:04:40 :) Jun 14 21:05:31 answers in om-cdevel.. Jun 14 21:05:33 n1md4: most active smartphone development is happening with OE (open embedded) Jun 14 21:06:41 Weiss, since you got pinged so much right now, thought I'd mention I got xf86-video-glamo patched and working on gentoo. It doesn't work with kms though, I get runtime dynamic linking error Jun 14 21:07:18 ooh then of course, my usd reader died, took the card right to hell with it and everything went to hell Jun 14 21:07:53 :/ Jun 14 21:08:17 now I'm ticked off and nothing got commited yet because I dunno if I got new ebuilds on my disk, gotta retest Jun 14 21:08:29 hmm.. what's the error? Jun 14 21:08:35 but at least I know it can be done Jun 14 21:08:39 oh.. that AdjustFrame thing? Jun 14 21:08:54 Weiss, GlamoKMSAdjustFrame Jun 14 21:08:56 Weiss, yes :) Jun 14 21:09:04 Weiss, nooo you can't just say that ! :D Jun 14 21:09:37 just say what? Jun 14 21:10:26 Weiss, I busted my brain to get it working at least somehow and you know about that error all along :D Jun 14 21:10:42 Weiss, what's it all about btw? Jun 14 21:10:45 asked weiss Jun 14 21:10:47 thx 4 info :) Jun 14 21:15:04 Weiss, anyway when compiled with --disable-kms, it works just fine Jun 14 21:15:35 Weiss, if you want a minimal patch to get latest libdrm with required glamo headers: http://lazyjc.info/~jc/libdrm-2.4.20-glamo.patch Jun 14 21:15:43 Weiss, courtesy of me and sleipnir :) Jun 14 21:23:45 ooh, cool Jun 14 21:23:53 no.. I just remembered you asking the question earlier.. Jun 14 21:24:57 is glamo-kms-driver.c getting built? Jun 14 21:25:17 Weiss, I could check if my filesystem wasn't in sillicon heaven Jun 14 21:25:29 ah, ok.. Jun 14 21:25:38 Weiss, the reason I got my card into the reader was to back up Jun 14 21:25:46 ironically, that destroyed my card Jun 14 21:26:11 Weiss, but I'll make sure I will if I ever get my new card working.. Jun 14 21:26:24 Weiss, you got glamo datasheet btw ? Jun 14 21:26:36 PaulFerster: Thanks for the info, I'll check it out. Jun 14 21:27:14 cz_jc: yep Jun 14 21:46:50 gena2x: yes, for a moment Jun 14 21:48:21 JaMa: i am about touchscreen, i just didn't got idea how 34 patch is tested. did it fix problem for you? was .29 tested on .32? how wide? did it fix problem? Jun 14 21:49:17 gena2x: I wasn't using neo with that patch for long enough to be 100% sure.. but about twice for an hour I didn't lost my ts Jun 14 21:49:42 JaMa: did you patched shr with .29 patch? Jun 14 21:50:11 gena2x: it's included in all shr kernels so shr-u users are using it for few days without any feedback (on old 2.6.29-rc3 with debug, so it was not likely to see it failing for them) Jun 14 21:50:35 JaMa: ok, thanks. this is all i wanted to know. Jun 14 21:50:46 gena2x: and for 2.6.3x kernels built here http://build.shr-project.org/shr-kms/ I didn't get any feedback too.. :/ Jun 14 21:51:31 JaMa: i touched it for a almost a hour, but more verify never bad. Jun 14 21:52:06 sure, but I'm usually away from my neo, so ts test is hard to do remotely.. Jun 14 21:52:49 JaMa: (this is a reason of my question), want to triple check before contacting upstream Jun 14 21:52:59 JaMa: so ok. Jun 14 21:57:05 gena2x: for me it's at least as good as it was before, but I don't know any reproducible way to get it, so cannot say if it's 100%.. Jun 14 21:58:30 JaMa: it's ok, i know all this. Jun 14 21:59:46 * JaMa -> sleep Jun 14 21:59:49 gena2x: ok, thanks Jun 14 21:59:59 JaMa: gn Jun 14 22:24:59 ftp://ftp.armedslack.org/armedslack/armedslack-13.1/ Jun 14 22:25:43 ftp://ftp.armedslack.org/armedslack/armedslack-13.1// Jun 14 22:25:57 well Jun 14 22:26:51 wooh need slackware for FR? %) Jun 14 22:44:26 * SpeedEvil remmebers trying compiling for neo1973, qnd failing. Jun 15 02:00:11 hy, i managed to delete the init.d script for starting X Jun 15 02:00:15 cna someone share theyre? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 15 02:59:57 2010