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Jun 19 11:39:42 <kW_> Hello! Does anybody know where the sources for Om2009 are?
Jun 19 11:41:58 <PaulFertser> kW_: what exactly do you mean?
Jun 19 11:42:06 <PaulFertser> kW_: the forked OE branch?
Jun 19 11:42:19 <PaulFertser> kW_: or FSO version used there?
Jun 19 11:42:56 <PaulFertser> kW_: or the telephony UI?
Jun 19 11:43:06 <kW_> Well, specifically: I had a Om2009 instance running for some months and I want to export the contacts. The "qtopia_db.sqlite" file, however, does not contain the "contactnotes" (that is, notes which can be added to every contact), and I want to know where these notes are actually stored, so I need to look into the source
Jun 19 11:44:07 <PaulFertser> kW_: are you sure it's that file that has all the contacts? IIRC om2009 didn't use qtopia at all. Let me google a bit.
Jun 19 11:44:51 <kW_> ah... hm, then maybe Om2008.12
Jun 19 11:45:03 <kW_> it was a package-level upgrade from the initial Om2008
Jun 19 11:46:11 <PaulFertser> kW_: either that's qtopia or not...
Jun 19 11:46:16 <PaulFertser> kW_: om2008 was a qtopia fork
Jun 19 11:46:25 <PaulFertser> kW_: om2009 was FSO + Paroli
Jun 19 11:46:29 <kW_> ah
Jun 19 11:46:35 <kW_> well, then I talk about om2008
Jun 19 11:47:08 <PaulFertser> kW_: so you're http://git.openmoko.org/?p=qtopia.git;a=summary
Jun 19 11:47:54 <PaulFertser> kW_: i think radekp or other guys who use qtopia can help you with locating your settings.
Jun 19 11:48:29 <kW_> Thank you. So you think I should wait for radekp or other people and re-post my question?
Jun 19 11:49:19 <PaulFertser> kW_: i assume you've read the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts#Exporting already, haven't you?
Jun 19 11:50:35 <kW_> Yes, but the thing is that the "qtopia_db.sqlite" file misses some information which you could have actually entered as a user.
Jun 19 11:51:07 <PaulFertser> kW_: yes, i see now. Well, i'd try git cloning the qtopia repo and grepping
Jun 19 11:51:36 <kW_> That's what I currently do :-)
Jun 19 12:01:14 <PaulFertser> kW_: i think you want sources for libraries/qtopiapim
Jun 19 12:02:49 <PaulFertser> kW_: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtopia4.3/database-specification.html#qtopia-databases
Jun 19 12:03:24 <kW_> oh
Jun 19 12:33:31 <kW_> PaulFertser: I found it
Jun 19 12:33:54 <kW_> it is stored in /home/root/Applications/Annotator
Jun 19 12:35:09 <kW_> in some weird QAnnotator file format, which contains UTF-16 strings
Jun 19 12:35:18 <kW_> this is why grepping by content was not really successful
Jun 19 12:57:55 <PaulFertser> kW_: congrats, man :)
Jun 19 12:58:10 <PaulFertser> kW_: sources are the best docs ;)
Jun 19 13:22:48 <ftn> Hey there. Tried remoko on shr-t but it doesn't run properly. Do you know any other application to use the neo as a virtual mouse or keyboard?, please
Jun 19 14:01:01 <kW_> PaulFertser: is it true that http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts#Exporting says that the e-mail-adresses cannot be exported into the VCard file format?
Jun 19 14:02:10 <PaulFertser> kW_: no idea tbh, sorry. When i wanted to export my sim contacts i used some FSO method to get all of those, then several vim commands gave me a script with a bunch of opimd-cli invocations, that's it for me.
Jun 19 14:03:24 <kW_> PaulFertser: well, but you did not want to export from Om2008, did you?
Jun 19 14:05:07 <PaulFertser> kW_: since you're a programmer, i assume you can easily extract whatever information you need from the sqlite databases directly, and convert it to any format.
Jun 19 14:05:10 <PaulFertser> :)
Jun 19 14:05:35 <gmbo44> http://www.livestream.com/jusobundeskongress
Jun 19 14:06:31 <kW_> PaulFertser: sure, but to make this conversion high quality, I need to invest quite some time into every intrinsic of all the data formats involved... and working software is exactly the abstraction of that :-)
Jun 19 14:07:11 <PaulFertser> kW_: unfortunately, yes. I thought qtopia had some builtin method to export everything to vcards though.
Jun 19 14:51:39 <kW_> Is any SHR developer here who can say whether SMS are stored in their original format (PDU) somewhere?
Jun 19 15:06:19 <morphis> heyho
Jun 19 16:36:23 <PaulFertser> kW_: with fsogsmd or the old ogsmd?
Jun 19 16:38:35 <PaulFertser> kW_: with fsogsmd i think they all are available at /tmp/fsogsmd/sms/
Jun 19 17:38:46 <kW_> PaulFertser: well, I'm not sure... with SHR-testing
Jun 19 17:39:19 <PaulFertser> kW_: i do not know if it switched to fsogsmd already or not. If it's old ogsmd, it doesn't store PDUs anywhere, i'm afraid.
Jun 19 17:39:47 <kW_> PaulFertser: there is no directory /tmp/fsogsmd...
Jun 19 17:41:42 <JaMa> kW_: shr-t has old ogsmd
Jun 19 17:42:21 <JaMa> kW_: there is newer shr-t version built.. but shr-t maintainer is N/A :/
Jun 19 17:45:16 <kW_> hmm...
Jun 19 18:29:09 <lord-carlos> hi there 
Jun 19 18:30:56 <lord-carlos> i own an Freerunner, but did not use it in a long time. tommorrow morning i need a gps software with OpenCycle map on my phone. What distributions und gps software do you suggest?
Jun 19 18:31:13 <lord-carlos> is SHR unstable + TangoGPS still the way to go?
Jun 19 18:31:22 <PaulFertser> lord-carlos: it should work decently, yes.
Jun 19 18:31:35 <[Rui]> lord-carlos: what do you want to do with it?
Jun 19 18:32:10 <[Rui]> lord-carlos: if you only want to get your bearings TangoGPS is good enough, remember to download the maps of the area first...
Jun 19 18:32:24 <lord-carlos> i am going on a cycle tour .. so when i am lost i need to tourn on the phone and check where the heck i am 
Jun 19 18:33:01 <[Rui]> lord-carlos: ok, TangoGPs should work well for those kinds of uses. *remember*to*load*the*maps*of*the*area*first
Jun 19 18:33:10 <lord-carlos> yes, Thanks
Jun 19 18:33:17 <[Rui]> even if you have gprs, it'll take sometime to download them :)
Jun 19 18:34:03 <[Rui]> I went to Manhattam, New York earlier this year and downloaded the map of that island with tangogps and used it to help me get my bearings in the Central Park :)
Jun 19 18:34:25 <[Rui]> and it would work as an extra map in case we forgot the paper one...
Jun 19 18:35:02 <lord-carlos> should i use SHR testing or unstable?
Jun 19 18:35:26 <PaulFertser> lord-carlos: for gps probably testing
Jun 19 18:35:32 <PaulFertser> lord-carlos: as it's known-to-work i hope
Jun 19 18:37:29 <[Rui]> PaulFertser: lord-carlos: I've been using shr-unstable with no problem
Jun 19 18:56:54 <lord-carlos> has SHR an networkmanager? And does WPA/WPA2 work out of the box like in Android-freerunner?
Jun 19 19:00:01 <[Rui]> lord-carlos: no. for gprs you set the details in Settings, then when you press power you go to the network tab and just turn enable/disable gprs
Jun 19 19:00:19 <[Rui]> lord-carlos: for wifi, there's iliwi, but I usually get better results with cli-scripts
Jun 19 19:00:48 <[Rui]> lord-carlos: like I've recently said, Freerunner has big hw issues, but it's my main phone :)
Jun 19 19:01:14 <lord-carlos> ok
Jun 19 19:01:49 <gena2x> lord-carlos: you may try debian :)
Jun 19 19:02:41 <[Rui]> lord-carlos: and if you use identi.ca (or twitter) be sure to take a look at elmdentica ;) <ad mode="shameless" />
Jun 19 19:03:56 <lord-carlos> no i dont
Jun 19 19:10:36 <lord-carlos> meh .. booting takes forever .. over 2 minutes now
Jun 19 19:11:49 <lord-carlos> looks like the system is hanging
Jun 19 19:13:25 <[Rui]> lord-carlos: I strongly advise to use a µ-sd card and not nand
Jun 19 19:13:32 <[Rui]> bbl
Jun 19 19:14:02 <lord-carlos> why should i use µ-sd and not nand?
Jun 19 19:20:25 <gena2x> lord-carlos: nand is faster, but has limited erase-cycles
Jun 19 19:20:45 <gena2x> lord-carlos: usd is easy replaceable
Jun 19 19:30:41 <PaulFertser> lord-carlos: first boot is known to take long
Jun 19 19:41:18 <lord-carlos> meh .... mkfs on debian testing is broken .. i hate this shit 
Jun 19 19:41:33 <lord-carlos> it is soo damn hard to install SHR
Jun 19 19:42:36 <gena2x> ???
Jun 19 19:42:50 <gena2x> dfu-util is nard?
Jun 19 19:43:22 <gena2x> try qtmoko :)
Jun 19 19:45:30 <lord-carlos> and now the system wont show me the partitions :> AHHHHHH
Jun 19 20:23:22 <lord-carlos> ah fuck
Jun 19 20:23:47 <lord-carlos> it does not start from  µ-sd because of some error
Jun 19 20:27:43 <lord-carlos> wrong image from boot command
Jun 19 20:48:03 <lord-carlos> is there any other distri with something like tango GPS, wich is easy and fast to install?
Jun 19 20:51:49 <PaulFertser> lord-carlos: i always thought shr is the easiest to install on NAND
Jun 19 20:52:02 <PaulFertser> lord-carlos: just boot to nor u-boot, flash kernel and rootfs
Jun 19 20:52:25 <PaulFertser> lord-carlos: and then it's up to you to use either Qi (not the koolu's fork) or configure u-boot properly.
Jun 19 20:52:30 <PaulFertser> That's all, damn easy.
Jun 19 20:52:33 <lord-carlos> well, if i start it on NAND .. it just hangs with "please wait. booting"
Jun 19 20:53:44 <PaulFertser> lord-carlos: for how long?
Jun 19 20:54:02 <lord-carlos> more then 5 minutes
Jun 19 20:54:30 <lord-carlos> and then the screens gets black
Jun 19 20:54:47 <PaulFertser> lord-carlos: and what happens if you shortly press power button then?
Jun 19 20:54:56 <lord-carlos> i see 4 lines
Jun 19 20:55:10 <lord-carlos> unkown boot option
Jun 19 20:55:19 <PaulFertser> lord-carlos: are you using Qi? Which version?
Jun 19 20:55:36 <lord-carlos> i think i am using u-boot
Jun 19 20:55:50 <PaulFertser> lord-carlos: on NAND? really sure?
Jun 19 20:56:00 <lord-carlos> no, i am not sure
Jun 19 20:56:02 <PaulFertser> :/
Jun 19 20:56:13 <lord-carlos> i dont not use this phone for some month 
Jun 19 20:56:29 <lord-carlos> i just need an GPS map ready tomorrow morning 
Jun 19 20:56:35 <PaulFertser> lord-carlos: ever installed android on it? if yes, you're using the wrong qi fork.
Jun 19 20:56:41 <lord-carlos> damn 
Jun 19 20:56:45 <lord-carlos> yes, i did
Jun 19 20:56:55 <lord-carlos> how do i fix that?
Jun 19 20:57:00 <PaulFertser> lord-carlos: then just use nor u-boot to reflash to proper qi, damn easy.
Jun 19 20:57:44 <PaulFertser> lord-carlos: and do not use nor u-boot for booting the system, use NAND bootloader instead.
Jun 19 20:57:56 <lord-carlos> is there an readme or tutorial on how to do that?
Jun 19 20:58:10 <PaulFertser> lord-carlos: just flash qi image to "u-boot" partition 
Jun 19 20:58:13 <PaulFertser> lord-carlos: with dfu-util
Jun 19 20:58:46 <lord-carlos> ok
Jun 19 21:03:15 <lord-carlos> PaulFertser: ok, now i flashed the phone with qi-s3c2442-master-hist_3b8513d8b3d9615e.udfu. I have SHR on uSD and on nand.
Jun 19 21:03:19 <lord-carlos> what sould i boot?
Jun 19 21:03:21 <lord-carlos> and how?
Jun 19 21:03:40 <lord-carlos> Just press the power butten and let it boot from nand?
Jun 19 21:04:10 <JaMa> lord-carlos: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi
Jun 19 21:04:26 <JaMa> lord-carlos: it will boot 1st partition on uSD by default
Jun 19 21:04:54 <PaulFertser> lord-carlos: yes
Jun 19 21:04:59 <PaulFertser> lord-carlos: but better remove uSD
Jun 19 21:05:05 <PaulFertser> lord-carlos: to not be confused
Jun 19 21:05:47 <lord-carlos> just me, or is it kinda hard to remove the uSD?
Jun 19 21:05:48 <PaulFertser> lord-carlos: probably you need to reflash rootfs, i'm not sure why exactly it didn't work with the broken qi fork of koolu's.
Jun 19 21:05:55 <PaulFertser> lord-carlos: kind hard
Jun 19 21:07:08 <PaulFertser> You can use this cute hack of Joerg's: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/sdcard-handle/
Jun 19 21:07:36 <JaMa> lord-carlos: use nail or as Paul said that hack
Jun 19 21:07:39 <lord-carlos> smart
Jun 19 21:09:29 <lord-carlos> mhh, looks like the phone just did a shutdown 
Jun 19 21:10:08 <lord-carlos> the screen is black and by pressing the power button ones nothing happens
Jun 19 21:12:17 <PaulFertser> lord-carlos: no battery?
Jun 19 21:12:29 <PaulFertser> lord-carlos: i mean it might have gotten flat
Jun 19 21:12:38 <lord-carlos> ah, now it works
Jun 19 21:25:20 <PaulFertser> lord-carlos: and?
Jun 19 21:28:20 <lord-carlos> it works fine
Jun 19 21:28:39 <lord-carlos> starting TangoGPS right now
Jun 19 21:28:44 <lord-carlos> thanks for the help everyone
Jun 19 22:47:13 <shurdeek> hello
Jun 19 22:47:24 <PaulFertser> yo
Jun 19 22:47:43 <shurdeek> I have a neo freerunner and would like to ask something, I wasn't able to get a satisfactory solution so far.
Jun 19 22:48:12 <shurdeek> I want a distro that at the same time supports wifi and bluetooth keyboard (HID)
Jun 19 22:48:23 <shurdeek> I tried SHR: mokonnect freezes and wifi doesn't work
Jun 19 22:48:31 <shurdeek> Android: no support for bluetooth HID
Jun 19 22:48:41 <PaulFertser> shurdeek: with SHR you can use both
Jun 19 22:48:50 <PaulFertser> shurdeek: do not use mokonnect
Jun 19 22:48:52 <PaulFertser> !
Jun 19 22:49:07 <shurdeek> QT moko: wifi works but bluetooth freezes
Jun 19 22:49:11 <PaulFertser> shurdeek: if you want wifi, use plain wpa_supplicant. Some folks had success with iliwifi too
Jun 19 22:49:13 <shurdeek> so what shall i use
Jun 19 22:49:17 <shurdeek> aah ok
Jun 19 22:49:27 <shurdeek> i have shr on it right now so lemme try
Jun 19 22:50:05 <shurdeek> how do i turn on the USB ethernet on SHR?
Jun 19 22:50:14 <PaulFertser> shurdeek: ifup usb0
Jun 19 22:50:21 <PaulFertser> shurdeek: should be on by default though
Jun 19 22:50:23 <shurdeek> ok lemme try
Jun 19 22:50:32 <shurdeek> well it wasnt default on mine ....
Jun 19 22:50:35 <shurdeek> just a sec
Jun 19 22:51:51 <PaulFertser> shurdeek: iliwi the gui manager is called
Jun 19 22:54:43 <shurdeek> i must have old SHR then, there is no iliwi
Jun 19 22:55:03 <PaulFertser> shurdeek: grab the latest shr-unstable
Jun 19 22:55:05 <shurdeek> i can't get the usb ethernet working, weird, it worked fine with qtmoko
Jun 19 22:55:31 <PaulFertser> shurdeek: does qtmoko uses permanent usb mac so you get ethX on host?
Jun 19 22:55:56 <shurdeek> ok i'll use the unstable
Jun 19 22:56:11 <shurdeek> i don't actually know (re qtmoko)
Jun 19 22:56:36 <PaulFertser> shurdeek: you should know because your host configuration depends on that.
Jun 19 22:56:49 <shurdeek> I don't have a preference for a distro, i don't even want to use the phone to make calls
Jun 19 22:57:20 <PaulFertser> shurdeek: that's not about the preferences, that's about properly configuring your host for usb networking.
Jun 19 22:57:24 <shurdeek> well I looked at the interfaces, eth9 appeared so I assigned it 192.168.0.200/24 but I can't ping
Jun 19 22:58:25 <PaulFertser> shurdeek: i suggest trying to flash shr-u
Jun 19 22:59:10 <shurdeek> jffs2 or ubifs? Never heard about the latter.
Jun 19 22:59:16 <PaulFertser> shurdeek: jffs2
Jun 19 22:59:18 <shurdeek> ok
Jun 19 22:59:30 <PaulFertser> shurdeek: ubifs should be better but somehow it's not as crash-tolerant as necessary
Jun 19 22:59:42 <shurdeek> tx downloading now
Jun 19 23:03:56 <shurdeek> flashing
Jun 19 23:26:46 <shurdeek> flash done, booting
Jun 19 23:43:43 <shurdeek> oh shr unstable is up and wifi works, where are the bluetooth settings?
Jun 20 00:00:17 <shurdeek> hey dude it works!
Jun 20 00:00:41 <shurdeek> I can't find a gui for bluetooth but the manual process described in the wiki works
Jun 20 00:00:55 <shurdeek> I'll put it into a script for laters
Jun 20 00:01:01 <shurdeek> thank you very much
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