**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 23 02:59:56 2010 Jun 23 10:18:48 how's latest shr-u's call quality? Jun 23 10:22:58 badcloud: nothing was changed for more than a year wrt call quality afaik Jun 23 10:23:55 PaulFertser: thanks. just thought I'd go back to it since I was experiencing problems in qtmoko Jun 23 10:48:58 how do I load gta01_battery.ko? I unbinded bq27000, couldn't find the package that provides the .ko file but had it on my desktop, so I scp'd it to /lib/modules/2.6.29-rc3/kernel/drivers/power/ Jun 23 10:49:12 still getting a 'not found' error from modprobe Jun 23 10:49:39 depmod -a 2.6.29-rc3 Jun 23 10:50:30 JaMa: thanks :) Jun 23 10:50:39 insmod? Jun 23 10:50:40 oh Jun 23 10:50:41 that too Jun 23 10:50:55 haha, thanks SpeedEvil Jun 23 10:51:06 np Jun 23 10:51:12 JaMa: do I need to issue that every boot? Jun 23 10:51:17 *on every boot Jun 23 10:52:22 badcloud: once is enough Jun 23 10:52:25 ok Jun 23 10:52:37 badcloud: to have modprobe working I mean Jun 23 10:52:47 that's what I figured Jun 23 10:52:48 badcloud: to load that module you have to load it.. Jun 23 10:53:34 badcloud: echo gta01_battery > /etc/modutils/gta01_battery should load it after reboot Jun 23 10:54:16 JaMa: what about echo bq27000-battery.0 > /sys/bus/platform/drivers/bq27000-battery/unbind Jun 23 10:54:18 ? Jun 23 10:55:38 (how often do I need to issue that command?) Jun 23 10:56:02 not sure, but I guess on every boot before loading gta01_battery? Jun 23 10:57:18 JaMa: which runlevel do the modules load on? Jun 23 11:04:45 badcloud: maybe loaded before running init? not sure Jun 23 11:04:58 JaMa: found it, thanks Jun 23 11:05:03 and? Jun 23 11:05:53 ./rcS.d/S20modutils.sh ? :) Jun 23 11:31:23 yup Jun 23 11:31:27 but that didn't work Jun 23 11:31:50 I think I'll pop the echo... and modprobe commands at the end of /etc/profile Jun 23 11:31:58 I vaguely remember that working for me last time Jun 23 12:58:53 is there something wrong with the sim-manager in latest shr-u? it won't show any contacts from my sim Jun 23 14:11:51 Hi all! Jun 23 14:12:53 hi Jun 23 14:13:40 My phone is useless now. I were trying out some skins and one of them junked my GUI. The SHR (illumni) settings are now unreachable (out of screen bounds) so I have no way of setting any other skin. Jun 23 14:13:53 In whick config file can I change my skin manually? Jun 23 14:14:16 dunno about shr :( Jun 23 14:14:21 I have ssh connection and all so I have console acces. Jun 23 14:15:56 merethan: don't know the config file, but you can delete ~/.e and start from the beginning Jun 23 14:16:24 nano ~/.e ? Jun 23 14:16:46 rm -rf ~/.e Jun 23 14:16:58 I rlly need to fix it. There's no way I can close or switch between apps Jun 23 14:17:17 Heinervdm, why is editting using nano not an option? Jun 23 14:17:27 because it's an directory Jun 23 14:17:29 Removing all settings is a bit rigorous Jun 23 14:19:09 merethan: does you theme look like this? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/e4ad04025b16cdb8de3c1dcf3dc6946e.png Jun 23 14:19:54 No Jun 23 14:20:12 I have 3 app icons horizontal Jun 23 14:20:59 And the window buttons (left, close,right) are out of my screen bounds, si i can't click them Jun 23 14:23:52 Files in .e are not human readable Jun 23 14:25:18 damnit, I 'll just remove it Jun 23 14:26:31 badcloud: i just updated my shr-u and sim-manager works Jun 23 14:33:41 Why are there like 3 GUI toolkits used in SHM? Jun 23 14:33:47 *SHR Jun 23 14:34:08 When you change the appearance of one everything else gets boned Jun 23 14:35:26 This this is dead slow now Jun 23 14:35:50 I think I 'll flash a different distro Jun 23 14:52:50 merethan: try qtmoko, it has fast kernel. Jun 23 14:53:08 Working on it Jun 23 14:58:04 SHR is dead slow Jun 23 14:58:27 And because so many toolkits are used, it's kinda hard to get it to work Jun 23 14:58:35 Very easy to break it Jun 23 15:02:02 merethan: shr it is still in development Jun 23 15:04:50 doh :P Jun 23 15:05:19 From my first look and experiences it has grown too complicated. Jun 23 15:09:22 * Weiss would definitely banish any GTK from the FR Jun 23 15:09:50 it doesn't get on nicely with (a) non-FPU SoC, (b) EXA Jun 23 15:10:37 Gtk doesn't like EXA? Jun 23 15:10:51 or, EXA doesn't like GTK Jun 23 15:11:05 Why did SHR became the greatest? Jun 23 15:11:07 EXA expects a small number of large operations to accelerate. GTK gives it thousands of tiny ones Jun 23 15:11:14 In terms of popularity of couse Jun 23 15:12:14 ok Jun 23 15:16:39 Why did SHR became the most popular? Jun 23 15:18:17 merethan: I guess because it was the largest after the "official" OM distros Jun 23 15:18:25 and had a community Jun 23 15:22:24 Heinervdm: thanks Jun 23 15:22:39 seems like something erased all of my sim contacts :( Jun 23 15:23:00 good think I sync regularily via google Jun 23 15:23:56 merethan: did you flash qtmoko yet? Jun 23 15:24:01 Weiss, it still struck me to see it's slowness. My Siemens A57 is much faster. Jun 23 15:24:03 *thing Jun 23 15:24:06 badcloud, not yet Jun 23 15:24:20 I 'll update my GSM firmware first Jun 23 15:24:31 I've expereienced call quality issues w/v22 Jun 23 15:24:43 was just curious about other's expereiences Jun 23 15:29:38 badcloud, you're sure the GSM chip has the latest firmware? Jun 23 15:29:58 on my FR, yup Jun 23 15:39:26 merethan: that the FR is slow is not news :) Jun 23 15:40:05 400Mhz Jun 23 15:40:35 I think my Siemens is more close to Khz range than it is to the FR Jun 23 15:40:46 yet it is much more responsive Jun 23 15:40:52 merethan: don't listed em. freerunner is fast :) Jun 23 15:41:15 merethan: have you installed qtmoko? Jun 23 15:42:49 Currently flashing GSM chip Jun 23 15:43:24 merethan: try, return and tell me if it is slow. Jun 23 15:43:33 merethan: :) Jun 23 15:53:55 Is there a page anywhere describing all the button combinations? Jun 23 15:54:07 I know the NOR-boot, but are there any other? Jun 23 15:55:20 merethan: hold power + after 1 second aux = menu of NAND uboot Jun 23 15:55:32 (if you have uboot in nand) Jun 23 15:55:46 ah Jun 23 15:55:48 i don't know qi keys. Jun 23 15:56:07 no more boot keys imo. Jun 23 15:59:01 where is the icon theme pref saved? illume settings is segging on me Jun 23 15:59:09 shr-u? Jun 23 15:59:15 *(shr-u) Jun 23 16:09:58 or at least, what is the exec for illume settings? Jun 23 16:11:25 I haven't found it either Jun 23 16:11:44 :~ Jun 23 16:12:01 I could access my terminal but couln't figure out how illume settings was started. Jun 23 16:13:23 merethan: try with enlightment_remote Jun 23 16:13:42 it can do some useful e17 stuff Jun 23 16:13:53 I'm now flashing QtMoko Jun 23 16:14:26 badcloud could probably use it Jun 23 16:15:30 Defiant: is it an opkg package? Jun 23 16:21:56 aight, let's try QtMoko Jun 23 16:22:00 flashed and all Jun 23 16:22:04 see if it works Jun 23 16:22:24 merethan: want me to call you ;) Jun 23 16:22:26 ? Jun 23 16:24:10 International calls are expensive Jun 23 16:24:30 So unless you figured out I'm Dutch by language usage or hostname Jun 23 16:24:31 yeah, but i'll call if you'll tell me qtmoko is slow :) Jun 23 16:27:03 merethan: gena2x's right, qtmoko is fast. only reason I went back to shr is because I of the call thing I experienced Jun 23 16:27:36 sound quality? Jun 23 16:27:50 i guess this can be easily fixed? Jun 23 16:28:47 fix sound qulity and help qtmoko :) Jun 23 16:29:35 atm, only thing really annoys me on qtmoko is white screen on resume. Jun 23 16:29:50 but i think this is same to all other distro. Jun 23 16:34:04 gena2x: I would if I could but I don't possess the skills Jun 23 16:37:26 badcloud: don't now, debian here Jun 23 16:38:04 badcloud: it should be doable without any exraordinary skills. Jun 23 16:38:16 Defiant: found it Jun 23 16:38:20 gena2x: seriously? Jun 23 16:38:38 I've been screwing with alsa state files and those sliders for way too long Jun 23 16:38:39 badcloud: quite sure. Jun 23 16:39:07 badcloud: just see this : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:WM8753_routing_diagram_alsa_controls.png Jun 23 16:39:40 badcloud: it lets you to understand whole alsa controls. Jun 23 16:39:54 badcloud: but you don't need to know all this. Jun 23 16:40:09 badcloud: just copy state from shr to qtmoko... Jun 23 16:40:12 QtMoko is a lot more responsive Jun 23 16:40:24 But very "smartphone" Jun 23 16:40:36 merethan: in fact is not 'slow', yeah? Jun 23 16:41:02 merethan: try qx, you'll get usual X11. and debian is under your qtmoko. Jun 23 16:41:27 merethan: so you may install 40000 packages in one apt-get. Jun 23 16:42:07 in fact that is i wanted from my pocket computer, and reason i bought fr at all :) Jun 23 16:42:17 I've found that bat life is better in shr Jun 23 16:43:19 lulz Jun 23 16:43:23 QtMoko crashed Jun 23 16:43:39 :( Jun 23 16:43:52 never saw it crashed here? Jun 23 16:44:11 i mean it never crashed here Jun 23 16:44:18 how it look like? Jun 23 16:44:32 Blank screen Jun 23 16:44:41 But it restarts by itself Jun 23 16:44:47 strange. Jun 23 16:44:56 brb, dinner Jun 23 16:50:53 gena2x: think I'll do that (shr states->qtmoko) Jun 23 16:50:56 might take some time Jun 23 16:51:24 badcloud: i think radek be happy to accept patch. Jun 23 16:52:05 gena2x: I don't know how to make patches, but I could at least compare the files Jun 23 16:54:29 badcloud: i think sending tested state file may be enought, along with descrption real cause of bad sound quality and fix. Jun 23 16:54:59 gena2x: noted. Jun 23 16:55:23 badcloud: i can test if needed. Jun 23 16:55:43 nice, that would help. thanks Jun 23 18:07:38 Fueled. Jun 23 18:07:54 How well does SHR run from uSD? Jun 23 18:13:02 merethan: what do you mean? Jun 23 18:17:51 Can it be installed on micro SD card? Jun 23 18:25:02 PaulFertser: where would be the best place to put the two lines from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers#So.2C_how_do_i_use_.22dumb.22_batteries_with_my_freerunner.3F under debian (within the bootprocess)? Jun 23 18:25:13 merethan: yes, it can Jun 23 18:25:38 download and ungzip/tar the tar.gz file onto a partition Jun 23 18:27:58 :) Jun 23 18:28:04 I guessed that Jun 23 18:28:31 merethan: sorry for downplaying my assumption :) Jun 23 18:29:03 It's more wether all apps still work if I do Jun 23 18:29:16 haven't played around much with apps Jun 23 18:29:22 Should be fine tough Jun 23 18:29:29 Everything still starts at / Jun 23 18:29:29 so I'm no good for testimonies Jun 23 18:29:32 sure Jun 23 18:29:52 badcloud: /etc/rc.local probably? Jun 23 18:30:04 PaulFertser: but then won't it load more than once? Jun 23 18:30:26 badcloud: why should it? Jun 23 18:30:34 badcloud: do you mean loading the dumb battery driver? Jun 23 18:30:36 cat rc.local"# This script is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel." Jun 23 18:30:44 PaulFertser: yes Jun 23 18:31:16 badcloud: so you'll have it executed on boot, that's enough i hope. Jun 23 18:31:35 PaulFertser: thanks for the reassurance ;) Jun 23 18:33:28 Anyone experiences with NeronGPS? Jun 23 18:33:47 I have a OSM file for west europe and want Neron to use it Jun 23 18:33:56 But the manual sais nothing about it Jun 23 18:49:48 whoops Jun 23 18:50:06 That preprocessed map pack was for navit Jun 23 18:50:16 Didn't realized that Jun 23 18:50:30 Not OSM standard :) Jun 23 18:55:05 gena2x: there? I finished editing qtm's gsmhandset.state Jun 23 18:55:15 want me to pastebin it? Jun 23 19:02:28 Found an another way to do it! Jun 23 19:26:13 g2g Jun 23 19:26:16 cya later! Jun 23 20:58:43 when i want to use logrotate to rotate the growing logs what do i have to do after a rotate to get fso to use the new empty logfile? i don't want to restart all fso daemons only to use the new logfiles **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 24 02:59:58 2010