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Jun 30 03:18:43 <Broam> dumb question time. If dmesg is giving me jffs2 errors on the NAND, is that just data corruption due to hardlocks/battery removal, or should I worried? And also , how do I fix these errors, or is a reflash really the best solution?
Jun 30 03:42:30 <Broam> I'll reflash, see if it persists.
Jun 30 03:42:49 <Broam> it's the same error every boot, so I'm suspecting it's an actual bad block
Jun 30 03:57:40 <SpeedEvil> NAND is supposed to have bad blocks.
Jun 30 03:58:04 <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure whr rhe normal vs non-normal messages in jffs2 will look like
Jun 30 03:59:56 <Broam> apparently SpeedEvil there's no difference
Jun 30 04:00:10 <Broam> between "this is a bad block" and "this is because you shut down the phone wrong"
Jun 30 04:00:47 <Broam> I need my sleep, but I'll check dmesg tomorrow and see if the bad block map fixed it somewhat. annoying that qtmoko24 does not have a fsck facility for jffs
Jun 30 04:01:05 <Broam> but then again, I *am* booting off of it...
Jun 30 11:21:44 <kereoz> hi
Jun 30 11:44:51 <Martix__> gena2x: hi
Jun 30 11:45:09 <Martix__> still having problem with u-boot
Jun 30 11:45:40 <Martix__> I have debug board, but OpenOCD configuration from wiki isnt working, any ideas?
Jun 30 11:46:16 <gena2x> Martix__: wait a bit.
Jun 30 11:46:22 <gena2x> Martix__: hi btw.
Jun 30 11:46:44 <gena2x> Martix__: i'm a bit busy now, then i can try to help.
Jun 30 11:47:01 <Martix__> ok, I'll wait :-)
Jun 30 12:06:20 <gena2x> Martix__: ok, now i have some time.
Jun 30 12:06:25 <Martix__> gena2x: problem with u-boot_env solved
Jun 30 12:06:37 <gena2x> Martix__: so, it works?
Jun 30 12:06:43 <Martix__> right
Jun 30 12:06:45 <gena2x> Martix__: that were problem?
Jun 30 12:06:48 <Martix__> nand erase
Jun 30 12:07:11 <gena2x> Martix__: hm. nand erase in userspace tools?
Jun 30 12:07:18 <Martix__> flashed new u-boot by nand write command runned from NOR u-boot
Jun 30 12:07:26 <Martix__> no, in NOR u-boot
Jun 30 12:07:43 <gena2x> oh... i suggested this before...
Jun 30 12:07:59 <gena2x> but dfu-util is still not working?
Jun 30 12:08:08 <Martix__> and what is important: runned u-boot from NAND and executed:
Jun 30 12:08:11 <Martix__> dynpart
Jun 30 12:08:15 <Martix__> dynenv set u-boot_env
Jun 30 12:08:30 <Martix__> after that, saveenv/loadenv works :-)
Jun 30 12:08:54 <gena2x> and so, now whole thing is working now and no need to help?
Jun 30 12:09:34 <Martix__> yep u-boot env works :-)
Jun 30 12:09:39 <Martix__> thanks for helping
Jun 30 12:09:46 <Martix__> but dfu-util -l is still broken
Jun 30 12:10:06 <gena2x> try inverstigate this on host.
Jun 30 12:10:12 <gena2x> did it work before?
Jun 30 12:10:20 <Martix__> yes
Jun 30 12:10:29 <Martix__> I'll try another host distro
Jun 30 12:10:35 <gena2x> if yes, check everything from kernel to glibc, compiler and dfu-util.
Jun 30 12:11:46 <Martix__> I am not alone, somebody else reported problem with dfu-util
Jun 30 12:11:59 <gena2x> may be some well-hidded bug in timings, or cable.
Jun 30 12:12:12 <gena2x> but nor u-boot didn't change.
Jun 30 12:12:36 <gena2x> so may be we'll find problem cause and push fix to dfu-util.
Jun 30 12:12:59 <gena2x> i think i can try fix it if i'll be able to reproduce it here.
Jun 30 12:13:26 <gena2x> try you dfu-util from live-cd.
Jun 30 12:14:54 <gena2x> but once recently, i had problems with pulseaudio. i were really annoyed by it. it ended up that i had to resolder new capacitors in my switch to fix it!
Jun 30 12:15:05 <gena2x> and pulseaudio were unrelated.
Jun 30 12:18:08 <gena2x> Martix__: or, if you dev, you can fix it yourself :)
Jun 30 12:18:14 <gena2x> of course :)
Jun 30 12:18:18 <Martix__> :-)
Jun 30 12:31:50 <Martix__> gena2x: my lsusb -v http://pastebin.com/9Vgka0fx
Jun 30 13:00:57 <albacore> PaulFertser: Can I disturb you?
Jun 30 13:20:49 <PaulFertser> albacore: :) pong
Jun 30 13:21:09 <albacore> PaulFertser: yes
Jun 30 13:21:37 <albacore> PaulFertser: It's about rfcomm connection
Jun 30 13:21:59 <albacore> I use your freerunner as a gps receiver for your PC. In first step I try to read NMEA directly on my FR. I follow Manually_using_Bluetooth#RFCOMM. But I never watch NMEA strings. What I did not?
Jun 30 13:22:41 <PaulFertser> albacore: disable ogpsd and power n gps directly using ysfs
Jun 30 13:22:49 <PaulFertser> sysfs
Jun 30 13:23:11 <PaulFertser> albacore: ttyl in the evening, sorry, gtg
Jun 30 13:24:38 <albacore> PaulFertser: ok, thanks
Jun 30 13:25:38 <PaulFertser> albacore: ok, i'm here for 3 more min.
Jun 30 13:28:15 <albacore> I don't know what It means "power n gps directy using sysfs", but I search that
Jun 30 13:29:21 <SpeedEvil> power on
Jun 30 13:29:35 <SpeedEvil> The GPS power can be switched on and off though a node in sysfs
Jun 30 13:29:41 <SpeedEvil> gpsd normally does this
Jun 30 13:29:42 <SpeedEvil> ^o
Jun 30 13:29:54 <SpeedEvil> If you're interacting with the GPS manually, then you need to
Jun 30 13:41:44 <albacore> SpeedEvil: I run gps-poweron.sh from qtmoko : (/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on). 
Jun 30 13:45:12 <SpeedEvil> no clue
Jun 30 13:45:26 <SpeedEvil> I don't have a FR - so I haven't invesitgates how the GPS goes on
Jun 30 14:07:45 <JaMa|Off> albacore: you can as well use fsoraw to keep gps ON as long as your app is running
Jun 30 14:10:53 <albacore> JaMa|Off : apt-get says me "fsoraw: Depends: fso-usaged but it is not installable or  fso-frameworkd but it is not going to be installed"
Jun 30 14:13:28 <JaMa|Off> albacore: then try omhacks it should be built for debian
Jun 30 14:33:51 <albacore> JaMa|Off : I install omhacks, my problem persist. GPS gives NMEA datas on /dev/ttySAC1, but not on /dev/rfcomm0
Jun 30 14:36:23 <SpeedEvil> you need to setup something to copy the GPS data onto bluetooth
Jun 30 14:36:27 <SpeedEvil> cat may even work
Jun 30 14:40:38 <albacore> JaMa|Off: but cat /dev/rfcomm0 return null
Jun 30 14:42:56 <SpeedEvil> what are you trying to do?
Jun 30 14:45:24 <albacore> SpeedEvil: just catch NMEA to rfcomm0 (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#RFCOMM)
Jun 30 14:48:09 <SpeedEvil> That is for using external GPS devices, from softare on the phone. Is that what you want to do?
Jun 30 14:53:51 <albacore> SpeedEvil : I want use  freerunner as a gps receiver for my PC, but In first step I want receive NMEA datas on my FR
Jun 30 14:54:56 <albacore> SpeedEvil : but my constraint : to use rfcomm connection
Jun 30 14:55:51 <SpeedEvil> rfcomm is the end of a virtual serial pipe, connected to the other end of the bluetooth connection
Jun 30 14:56:07 <SpeedEvil> it cannot normally be used as a GPS unless it's paired, and you have a GPS at the other end
Jun 30 14:57:04 <SpeedEvil> if you want the FR to be a GPS, then you need to pair the rfcomm device with the bluetooth host, and then feed data from /dev/ttyS* to the rfcomm device
Jun 30 15:08:04 <albacore> SpeedEvil:my laptop is pared with GPS (QTmoko bluetooth application show that). How can I feed data from /dev/ttyS* to the rfcomm device? But I would like realize a basic test  in first time directly on FR : Manually_using_Bluetooth#RFCOMM
Jun 30 15:08:32 <SpeedEvil> cat /dev/ttyS* >/dev/rfcomm
Jun 30 15:08:45 <SpeedEvil> IIRC - it'sbeen a while
Jun 30 15:11:04 <JaMa|Off> albacore: why do you insist on BT? isn't better to connect laptop-fr with wifi and use gpsd on fr?
Jun 30 15:14:35 * JaMa|Off once tried BTgps on FR to provide gps to his nokia phone and even while sending nmea data over BT, nokia ovi maps still complained that remote device is not gps..
Jun 30 15:15:05 <JaMa|Off> but providing gpsd for my Sharp Spitz over wifi works good
Jun 30 15:18:18 <albacore> JaMa|Off : I have a java application on my laptop. Then to receive GPS datas I have a java library that use virtual serial port or  TCP/IP over BT.
Jun 30 16:11:03 <undrwater> anyone have a working imap email client?
Jun 30 16:11:55 <Weiss> undrwater: for FR?
Jun 30 16:12:04 <undrwater> Weiss: yes :)
Jun 30 16:12:23 <Weiss> I access my mail using SSH+Mutt, which works reasonably well
Jun 30 16:12:37 <Weiss> I heard that Sylpheed works, for a better solution
Jun 30 16:12:44 <undrwater> Weiss: i don't have a server to ssh into yet...
Jun 30 16:12:52 <undrwater> ahh...i'll look into that
Jun 30 16:13:30 <gena2x> undrwater: balsa may be also fast
Jun 30 16:13:48 <undrwater> gena2x: is balsa cli?
Jun 30 16:13:50 <Weiss> people were specifically using Claws (a sylpheed derivative), but if Claws works then plain Sylpheed should also work (I use plain Sylpheed on my desktop+laptop)
Jun 30 16:13:56 <gena2x> undrwater: nope
Jun 30 16:15:22 <undrwater> gena2x: cool...and thanks for the work with overclocking!
Jun 30 16:15:52 <gena2x> undrwater: oh, this is not work, really :)
Jun 30 16:16:31 <undrwater> thanks for the fun?
Jun 30 16:17:07 <gena2x> :)
Jun 30 16:17:42 <gena2x> this is just interesting for me, and i feel that sharing results is nice.
Jun 30 17:16:22 <PaulFertser> albacore: yes, you definitely need to do something like SpeedEvil's cat command. You should also consider educating yourself about socat too.
Jun 30 19:14:31 <ftn> Hey there.
Jun 30 19:15:45 <ftn> I'm planning to install several distributions on the sd card. Do you know if there's an easy way to choose which one to boot?, please
Jun 30 19:18:34 <gena2x> ftn: if you using uboot, you can choose which one to load from menu.
Jun 30 19:18:57 <gena2x> ftn: but you'll need to to setup your u-boot accordingly.
Jun 30 19:20:57 <ftn> gena2x I just switched to qi a couple of weeks ago, I've read you can do it modifying a text file with some parameters, but I don't find it comfortable at all
Jun 30 19:25:54 <undrwater> isn't there a qi with menu out there somewhere?
Jun 30 19:26:20 <undrwater> i prefer uboot...once you learn how to set it up, it's easier
Jun 30 19:27:27 <undrwater> ftn: what are you using to partition your card?
Jun 30 19:29:52 <ftn> undrwater gparted and/ or fdisk
Jun 30 19:30:27 * gena2x used gfdisk :)
Jun 30 19:30:57 <undrwater> ftn: what distro?  i ask because i couldn't partition with fdisk defaults on gentoo
Jun 30 19:31:02 <gena2x> s/gfdisk/gdisk/
Jun 30 19:32:39 <ftn> undrwater ubuntu lucid
Jun 30 19:32:44 <gena2x> ftn: never tried qi. see no benefit as user.
Jun 30 19:33:01 <undrwater> ftn: you should be fine
Jun 30 19:33:24 <undrwater> gena2x: i tried qi...only benefit i could see is if you are using one distro
Jun 30 19:33:30 <undrwater> and only on sd
Jun 30 19:34:19 <ftn> allright, I'll flash uboot then
Jun 30 19:35:02 <gena2x> undrwater: you can recompile qi for different device, just like i recompile u-boot env.
Jun 30 19:35:11 <gena2x> undrwater: but more crappy :)
Jun 30 19:36:08 <undrwater> i like the ability to set the env...and get the menu
Jun 30 23:08:39 <ftn> Howdy, I'm trying to connect to my hidden wpa network with iliwi but it doesn't seem possible to enter my SSID. any hint?, pelase
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