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Jul 15 13:54:38 <ronny_> hi
Jul 15 13:55:04 <ronny_> anyone aware of a reasonable complete listing of the hardware fixes, it seems to be quite shattered across the wiki
Jul 15 14:05:37 <lindi-> ronny_: your task is to collect them to a single page in the wiki :)
Jul 15 14:07:26 <ronny_> lindi-: ouch
Jul 15 14:07:35 <rhkfin> ronny_: #1024 (re-camping), buzzfix, bass-fix, uSD/GPS -fix.. I think that's all, and most never get the bass-fix nor GPS/uSD-fixes done, as they can be fixed with software
Jul 15 14:08:21 <ronny_> i need at least the sd and the buzzfix
Jul 15 14:08:34 <lindi-> ronny_: what version do you have?
Jul 15 14:09:16 <rhkfin> ronny_: what you reall NEED is buzzfix and #1024. uSD is not required.
Jul 15 14:09:41 <rhkfin> I have GTA02v5 with buzzfix and #1024 
Jul 15 14:09:57 <lindi-> v5 with buzzfix here
Jul 15 14:14:28 <ronny_> rhkfin: uSD is quite a pain even with the recent firmwares, i'd rather fix it
Jul 15 14:15:10 <lindi-> ronny_: how so?
Jul 15 14:15:50 <ronny_> lindi-: i still have the 10 minute delay
Jul 15 14:18:08 <rhkfin> 10 minute delay? What's that?
Jul 15 14:20:26 <ronny_> rhkfin: the obscenely high TTFF when the usd clock is active on a unfixed phone
Jul 15 14:23:33 <lindi-> ronny_: what makes you think SD has anything to do with that?
Jul 15 14:23:54 <lindi-> ronny_: I mean, can you get rid of the delay if you disable uSD clock?
Jul 15 14:24:58 <ronny_> lindi-: i have no idea how to disable it, and i got my maps on that card
Jul 15 14:25:17 <lindi-> ronny_: I suspect disabling it will have no effect.
Jul 15 14:25:35 <lindi-> ronny_: you should never try to fix something without first having a way to benchmark it
Jul 15 14:25:51 * JaMa had uSD/GPS hw fix already in A6
Jul 15 14:26:16 <ronny_> hum
Jul 15 14:26:38 <ronny_> i want my phone fixed
Jul 15 14:26:42 <ronny_> right now its a mess
Jul 15 14:26:58 <lindi-> ronny_: I'm afraid uSD fix won't make your TIFF shorter
Jul 15 14:27:05 <lindi-> TTFF even
Jul 15 14:27:16 <ronny_> lindi-: why not?
Jul 15 14:27:19 <JaMa> ronny_: you have v5 or older?
Jul 15 14:27:29 <ronny_> JaMa: should be a v5
Jul 15 14:28:19 <JaMa> ronny_: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2141213
Jul 15 14:29:26 <ronny_> usefull listing, thanks
Jul 15 14:29:50 <lindi-> ronny_: well there's no bug report for it so I can't find information like this easily
Jul 15 14:31:20 <lindi-> ronny_: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//1542 mentions it briefly
Jul 15 14:31:34 <lindi-> ronny_: at very least you should just remove SD card and see if it gives you a shorter TTFF
Jul 15 14:32:31 <ronny_> hum, will do at home
Jul 15 16:15:55 <rhkfin> Any ideas why SHR-U forgets the time when I reboot.. GTA02v5, SHR-U from week or two ago
Jul 15 16:16:50 <JaMa> rhkfin: internal battery fails in most freerunners
Jul 15 16:18:14 <JaMa> DocScrutinizer did sort of survey here..
Jul 15 16:18:51 <rhkfin> Replaceable?
Jul 15 16:19:35 <rhkfin> Annoying to record gps tracks (with tango/goxtrotgps) from year 2000...
Jul 15 16:20:01 <JaMa> don't know and maybe it should survive short reboot (and you don't probably remove battery).. so maybe it something else..
Jul 15 16:20:08 <DocScrutinizer> reboot shouldn't cause RTC failure. As long as you keep main battery inserted.
Jul 15 16:20:08 <rhkfin> Time update from GSM network not possible..?
Jul 15 16:20:22 <rhkfin> I sometimes do remove it
Jul 15 16:21:57 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, internal backup battery (sldered into place) is broken on a lot od devices. What meana removal of main battery will wipe your RTC immediately or after some minutes, depending on how badly broken the backup cell is
Jul 15 16:23:18 <rhkfin> So can I solder a new one there? buzzfix & #1024 already made, is it worse or easier :)?
Jul 15 16:23:49 <DocScrutinizer> backup cell is located next to aux button. You *could* replace by any litium primary cell
Jul 15 16:23:58 <DocScrutinizer> much easier
Jul 15 16:24:03 <rhkfin> nice
Jul 15 16:24:27 <lindi-> rhkfin: you can get time from gps
Jul 15 16:24:53 <DocScrutinizer> you can get gps from time :-P
Jul 15 16:25:07 <rhkfin> lindi-: ntp's easier
Jul 15 16:25:21 <edo1493> Where can I see if neo free runner is supported by italian phone companies?
Jul 15 16:25:30 <rhkfin> edo1493: it is.
Jul 15 16:25:40 <edo1493> All companies?
Jul 15 16:25:45 <rhkfin> If you can get a SIM card, it works (on MOST cases)
Jul 15 16:25:47 <lindi-> rhkfin: if you are in finland with flatrate plan yes
Jul 15 16:25:59 <rhkfin> lindi-: wlan, usb, ...
Jul 15 16:26:30 <lindi-> edo1493: at least in finland all phones work with all operators
Jul 15 16:27:23 <edo1493> ok
Jul 15 16:27:39 <DocScrutinizer> afaik in Italy no operator has device restriction policy (except maybe for iPhone, but who'd want to use the double-expensive special iPhone dataplans anyway)
Jul 15 16:29:18 <DocScrutinizer> in Korea (and Japan?) you have to use 'certified' devices which the operator allows to be used in his network. Spoofing this (e.g by changing the IMEI to say 'i'm a Nokia) is even a crime
Jul 15 16:29:45 <DocScrutinizer> dunno why they do such shit
Jul 15 16:29:53 <DocScrutinizer> not in Europe though
Jul 15 16:30:11 <edo1493> Does it work well as a phone?
Jul 15 16:30:18 <lindi-> edo1493: if you need to ask, no :)
Jul 15 16:30:35 <rhkfin> in Costa Rica you need to take your (imported = not sold by the operator) phone to the operator to register it or something, to get a SIM for it. Most phones don't have SIM but the line is tied to a phone device.
Jul 15 16:31:17 <edo1493> lindi-, Don't you suggest it to me?
Jul 15 16:31:51 <rhkfin> edo1493: if your main need is a phone, there are other alternatives that are cheaper and 'just work'. 
Jul 15 16:32:16 <rhkfin> If you want an open device to hack & do c00l stuff that other phones can do - and call phone calls, then Freerunner might be for you.
Jul 15 16:32:30 <edo1493> ok
Jul 15 16:32:48 <rhkfin> but many of us use it as primary phone
Jul 15 16:33:33 <lindi-> edo1493: well I don't know you :)
Jul 15 16:33:34 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, you can live with it, if you're already chronically depressed or masochistic :-P
Jul 15 16:33:43 <rhkfin> ;)
Jul 15 16:34:01 <lindi-> I just ordered pizza with it 10 minutes ago :)
Jul 15 16:34:16 <JaMa|Away> lindi-: and now hoping that it will arrive? :)
Jul 15 16:34:26 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, for ordering pizza it always works fantastic :-D
Jul 15 16:34:46 <DocScrutinizer> except if they call back
Jul 15 16:34:47 <lindi-> JaMa|Away: it already did, the call was for giving more accurate driving directions
Jul 15 16:34:51 <JaMa|Away> but still safer to call as sms can be lost.. :)
Jul 15 16:35:03 <lindi-> JaMa|Away: indeed
Jul 15 16:35:14 <edo1493> I don't want to be too depressed, I have already gNewSense that makes me depressed
Jul 15 16:35:31 <rhkfin> lindi-: did you call or surfed to pizza-online.fi ;)?
Jul 15 16:35:39 <lindi-> rhkfin: surf and then they called me back
Jul 15 16:35:46 <rhkfin> :)
Jul 15 16:36:23 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: that worked? :-O incredible!
Jul 15 16:37:13 <lindi-> yep the only large issue is audio quality
Jul 15 16:37:23 <rhkfin> second that
Jul 15 16:37:28 <DocScrutinizer> inbound calls while surfing another
Jul 15 16:37:47 <rhkfin> I think call during GPRS works
Jul 15 16:37:51 <lindi-> it does
Jul 15 16:37:55 <rhkfin> inbound
Jul 15 16:38:08 <DocScrutinizer> nope, one of 3 or somesuch
Jul 15 16:38:09 <rhkfin> not sure if GPRS stops during the call though, but works after the call OK
Jul 15 16:38:21 <lindi-> rhkfin: it pauses
Jul 15 16:38:25 <rhkfin> ok
Jul 15 16:38:46 <DocScrutinizer> just sometimes (if your call is short) it even resumes after
Jul 15 16:39:03 <lindi-> always resumed for me
Jul 15 16:39:11 <lindi-> and nobody has reported a bug that it wouldn't resume :)
Jul 15 16:39:26 <DocScrutinizer> I did, maybe a year ago
Jul 15 16:40:05 <DocScrutinizer> might be fixed with new versions of FSO whatever daemon
Jul 15 16:40:37 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: maybe they broke it
Jul 15 16:40:41 <DocScrutinizer> tbh that was the reason I dumped it back when
Jul 15 16:40:58 <lindi-> ogsmd  e6c36e917cc75809f60fa587b68bbf6be0c5bf58 
Jul 15 16:41:00 <lindi-> works for me
Jul 15 16:41:28 <DocScrutinizer> anyway, afk o/
Jul 15 16:47:11 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: hehe, since i'm using FR as my only phone for almost years, that says a lot about my personality :)
Jul 15 16:48:00 <lindi-> PaulFertser: SHR?
Jul 15 16:48:19 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i'm still using Debian.
Jul 15 16:48:37 <lindi-> PaulFertser: want to try new and fixed chromium-browser package for debian? ;)
Jul 15 16:50:16 <PaulFertser> I think one can't hardly get an inbound call while gprs is saturating the bandwidth, at least that's what my friends told me. Other than that, inbound calls work. 
Jul 15 16:51:11 <PaulFertser> lindi-: hm, sounds intimidating since midori was broken in some update. 
Jul 15 16:51:40 <lindi-> PaulFertser: this is still partly broken but at least many issues were fixed wrt. the package that is in unstable
Jul 15 17:59:53 <rhkfin> SHR has failed importing contacts - they all are missing the last digit!!
Jul 15 18:00:05 <rhkfin> well, not all, for some reason.
Jul 15 18:01:10 <rhkfin> No wonder I can't call anyone..
Jul 15 18:27:55 <swoody> is there a way to find out which version of SHR I have installed?
Jul 15 18:28:57 <swoody> also, by chance, is anyone using SHR with T-mobile (US)?
Jul 15 18:58:40 <swoody> ok found some bug reports for some of the issues I am having, but still can't connect with wifi using mokoconnect :/
Jul 15 18:59:18 <swoody> iwlist scan shows networks, but mokoconnect still says my wifi device isn't powered on, and then it takes it's time when trying to power it up
Jul 15 19:01:35 <PaulFertser> swoody: hey
Jul 15 19:01:42 <PaulFertser> swoody: moconnect is deprecated and not to be used
Jul 15 19:01:43 <[Rui]> swoody: never could either, why don't you try iliwi?
Jul 15 19:01:53 <PaulFertser> swoody: use wpa_supplicant directly as described numerous times
Jul 15 19:02:02 <PaulFertser> swoody: or you can try your luck with iliwi
Jul 15 19:05:34 <swoody> thanks, I will have to give that a shot. I don't have my USB cable with me, so I was hoping there might be another way to connect with the phone for now 
Jul 15 19:05:54 <PaulFertser> swoody: wpa_supplicant is the way
Jul 15 19:06:08 <PaulFertser> swoody: no need to install anything else
Jul 15 19:06:19 <swoody> I also tried: ifconfig eth0 essid default 
Jul 15 19:06:33 <swoody> (it's unsecured network named 'default')
Jul 15 19:09:43 <PaulFertser> swoody: ifconfig???
Jul 15 19:10:06 <PaulFertser> swoody: if it's non-secured, then iwconfig should be enough to connect
Jul 15 19:11:54 <swoody> PaulFertser: that's what I was hoping, but when I run that I get: bad address 'essid'
Jul 15 19:12:30 <PaulFertser> swoody: ifconfig != iwconfig
Jul 15 19:13:57 * swoody hugs PaulFertser :D
Jul 15 19:14:09 <swoody> I have had a serious case of the Mondays all week :(
Jul 15 19:14:18 <swoody> ping doesn't work though?
Jul 15 19:15:23 <PaulFertser> swoody: hope you'll get a week of sundays later :)
Jul 15 19:16:35 <swoody> PaulFertser: depends on how 'bad' Saturday night was ;)
Jul 15 19:18:12 <PaulFertser> swoody: does ``iwconfig'' says "associated"?
Jul 15 19:18:12 <PaulFertser> swoody: i mean does it show MAC of the AP?
Jul 15 19:18:12 <PaulFertser> swoody: if yes, then you should set ip somehow (preferrably with dhcp).
Jul 15 19:19:36 <swoody> PaulFertser: oh it should be working now, I'm running opkg update, and it looks like it's downloading, but I will check it out just to be sure :)
Jul 15 19:22:06 <swoody> PaulFertser: ah crud, it's not :/
Jul 15 19:22:31 <PaulFertser> swoody: i'm not sure which dhclient is available on SHR
Jul 15 19:23:38 <swoody> dhcprelay?
Jul 15 19:25:05 <swoody> ah, udhcpc I suppose
Jul 15 19:27:34 <swoody> damn :/
Jul 15 19:28:11 <PaulFertser> swoody: ah, yes
Jul 15 19:28:55 <swoody> it said it gave me a lease on the IP, but opkg update still no go 
Jul 15 19:36:11 <PaulFertser> swoody: ifdown usb
Jul 15 19:36:11 <PaulFertser> swoody: ifdown usb0
Jul 15 19:37:38 <swoody> PaulFertser: even though I'm on wireless? It wouldn't be eth0?
Jul 15 19:40:08 <PaulFertser> swoody: you should put usb0 down for wireless to work probably 
Jul 15 19:40:43 <swoody> PaulFertser: gotcha, used: ifconfig usb0 down
Jul 15 19:40:49 <swoody> ifdown didn't work
Jul 15 19:41:13 <swoody> woot :D
Jul 15 19:41:18 <swoody> ping google works
Jul 15 19:42:43 <PaulFertser> swoody: cool (ifdown is from Debian, yes)
Jul 15 19:42:54 <swoody> gotcha :)
Jul 15 19:43:31 <swoody> now, to get completely up-to-date, do I need to reinstall the latest version of SHR, or does opkg upgrade give me the latest of everything?
Jul 15 19:44:08 <PaulFertser> swoody: fyi "ip l s usb0 down" would work as well (as ifconfig)
Jul 15 19:44:36 <swoody> PaulFertser: very cool :) I wonder if mokoconnect would work after putting usb0 down...
Jul 15 19:44:49 <PaulFertser> swoody: that depends on the version you're already using.
Jul 15 19:45:54 <swoody> /etc/version shows 201004210906
Jul 15 19:52:08 <pr0> where i can get source for kernel 2.6.32.13-oe3.2+gitr6+a9254be10ac2294ea20165a87c09ea6afcf66d94-r0-om-gta02 ?
Jul 15 19:55:31 <swoody> woot, after upgrades GSM finally connects :)
Jul 15 20:02:37 <swoody> PaulFertser: I have to run, but now I have wifi and GSM working. Thanks! :)
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