**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 02 02:59:57 2010
Aug 02 04:03:22 <lindi-> jaj: "om screen power 0"
Aug 02 11:11:48 <jaj> GeneralError: hackable:1 but I apt-get removed everything that is not absolutely necessary like xorg etc. now I plan to use it as a low power web server for static content or as the occasional gps logger / gprs modem etc.
Aug 02 11:15:17 <jaj> dpkg -l gives me 150 packages now. I also upgraded to debian sid. top now only shows a couple of processes, boot time and performance are quite ok now :)
Aug 02 11:24:37 <jaj> lindi-: thank you very much :)
Aug 02 21:19:07 <LionKMP> root@om-gta02 /usr/lib/opkg # touch lock
Aug 02 21:19:07 <LionKMP> touch: lock: Input/output error
Aug 02 21:19:18 <LionKMP> hi..what's that, above?
Aug 02 21:22:45 <lindi-> LionKMP: dmesg?
Aug 02 21:25:09 <LionKMP> I needed to remove the battery too often (SHR not responding), I think I should reinstall.
Aug 02 21:25:35 <LionKMP> I need to reboot to see dmesg, my Mandriva can connect to Moko only once per boot. :-D
Aug 02 21:25:41 <LionKMP> moment
Aug 02 21:29:49 <LionKMP> yes, dmesg has ext2 errors too, like this:
Aug 02 21:29:50 <lindi-> LionKMP: reboot clears dmesg
Aug 02 21:29:57 <LionKMP>   454.010000] EXT2-fs error (device mmcblk0p1): ext2_lookup: deleted inode referenced: 14327
Aug 02 21:30:06 <lindi-> LionKMP: broken fs
Aug 02 21:30:19 <LionKMP> and "lock" is still I/O error.
Aug 02 21:30:37 <LionKMP> ah, I was running package upgrades for 2 days, and now, just before ready, I need to reinstall you think?
Aug 02 21:30:47 <lindi-> LionKMP: you can restore from backup
Aug 02 21:31:16 <LionKMP> backup?
Aug 02 21:36:02 <LionKMP> backup is called om-full-gta02.tar.gz :)
Aug 02 21:36:17 <LionKMP> hm, question
Aug 02 21:36:40 <LionKMP> can I make two partitions so that I reinstall this tar.gz all the time, but I can keep my data? On the MicroSD?
Aug 02 21:36:58 <LionKMP> or would the other partition also break due to the OS crashes you think?
Aug 02 21:36:58 <lindi-> LionKMP: you don't make backups?
Aug 02 21:37:42 <LionKMP> lindi-: with Moko I am just playing, reflashing and so on, no need backup. (Other than that I have quite strict backup strategy.)
Aug 02 21:38:02 <LionKMP> I saved my GPXes, the rest can go.
Aug 02 21:38:16 <lindi-> LionKMP: ok, I take it seriously :)
Aug 02 21:38:27 <LionKMP> however it would be cool if I could keep the 100MB maps.
Aug 02 21:38:34 <LionKMP> or so
Aug 02 21:38:40 <lindi-> well copy them to host
Aug 02 21:39:02 <LionKMP> oh, hm.. good idea. That's probably faster than  OSM download!
Aug 02 21:39:22 <LionKMP> but what about 2 partitions? would that work? E.g. if I buy a bigger MicroSD?
Aug 02 21:39:51 <LionKMP> format the /, reinstall, and keep /home2 or whatever I call it.
Aug 02 21:39:53 <lindi-> LionKMP: no need to have 2 partitions
Aug 02 21:40:06 <LionKMP> but I need to reinstall too often. :( Do you use SHR?
Aug 02 21:40:11 <lindi-> no i use debian
Aug 02 21:40:14 <LionKMP> yeah
Aug 02 21:40:16 <lindi-> I installed in 2008 :)
Aug 02 21:40:20 <LionKMP> :D
Aug 02 21:40:26 <LionKMP> very nice
Aug 02 21:41:41 <LionKMP> does that have TangoGPS?
Aug 02 21:43:38 <lindi-> LionKMP: it did, now we moved to foxtrotgps which is a fork of tangogps
Aug 02 21:43:53 <LionKMP> yes, I saw the announcement of that. Didn't read the details yet.
Aug 02 21:44:25 <lindi-> largest issue was that the glade source code for tangogps was not avialable
Aug 02 21:44:42 <lindi-> so the UI had to be rewritten
Aug 02 21:45:35 <max_posedon> wasn't it possible just ask for it?
Aug 02 21:45:36 <LionKMP> hm.. then it may take a while to add real improvements. Is it focused on making maps? Isn't it? I check the site, moment.
Aug 02 21:45:44 <lindi-> max_posedon: we did ask
Aug 02 21:45:48 <lindi-> max_posedon: did not get it
Aug 02 21:45:59 <lindi-> LionKMP: making maps?
Aug 02 21:46:05 <lindi-> LionKMP: no, it has the same focus as tangogps
Aug 02 21:46:27 <max_posedon> because mail wasn't asnwered? (gone to spam) or because developer doesn't want show it?
Aug 02 21:46:48 <lindi-> max_posedon: you haven't been following tangogps development clearly :)
Aug 02 21:47:23 <LionKMP> yes, I expected to see a "why" in the FAQ, but it wasn't there :)
Aug 02 21:47:24 <max_posedon> yes, I haven't :), I just hate forks sometimes, (and sometimes love it). I'm founding out would I love this or hate)
Aug 02 21:48:02 <lindi-> max_posedon: yes we wanted to avoid fork at all cost
Aug 02 21:48:17 <lindi-> max_posedon: but it didn't get any better even after years
Aug 02 21:48:33 <lindi-> LionKMP: well we did want to keep it as politically correct as possible
Aug 02 21:49:09 <LionKMP> yes, I understand
Aug 02 21:49:38 <lindi-> max_posedon: there is no public version control system for tangogps
Aug 02 21:50:07 <max_posedon> ah, bad. ok, now I get reasons for foxtrot
Aug 02 21:50:13 <lindi-> max_posedon: glade source code for UI is not available. patches receive feedback very rarely
Aug 02 21:51:03 <lindi-> max_posedon: and then there are things like  http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/2008/11/the-open-source-project-that-made-me-annoyed-angry/  which alone could be tolerated
Aug 02 21:53:04 <max_posedon> yep, known problem sometimes
Aug 02 22:01:21 <LionKMP> isn't there a way to install Debian on a MicroSD without having a running system on the internal storage? (e.g. uncompress a tar/gz to MicroSD?)
Aug 02 22:01:43 <LionKMP> I have Android on the internal storage, so I would need to install something else just to run "install.sh". :-(
Aug 02 22:07:15 <lindi-> LionKMP: there's some very experimental work on that
Aug 02 22:07:24 <lindi-> LionKMP: presented today in new york
Aug 02 22:07:40 <lindi-> LionKMP: I think you are much better off just using install.shj
Aug 02 22:07:56 <LionKMP> well, nevermind, I'll burn an SHR over that Android. The problem is that any other system I tried this year was unable to boot from the internal storage.
Aug 02 22:08:21 <LionKMP> (exept Android, but that installs itself, no "neo-tool")
Aug 02 22:08:44 <LionKMP> dfu-util, that is.
Aug 02 22:09:22 <LionKMP> I need a new MicroSD card too. Is there a way to know if Wear Levelling is available before buying?
Aug 02 22:09:46 <lindi-> LionKMP: available?
Aug 02 22:09:53 <LionKMP> on a specific card
Aug 02 22:10:24 <lindi-> LionKMP: they all do wear leveling
Aug 02 22:10:29 <LionKMP> most shops write only GB and company for the cards, e.g. Transcend 4GB.
Aug 02 22:10:52 <LionKMP> howsthat? Wikipedia says this is a new special techology to expand the card's life
Aug 02 22:11:39 <lindi-> LionKMP: what's the source of wikipedia?
Aug 02 22:12:24 <LionKMP> ok, if you say so, I just stop worry and buy the one I planned.
Aug 02 22:37:45 <SpeedEvil> LionKMP: All microSD cards implement wear leveling.
Aug 02 22:37:53 <SpeedEvil> The exact algorithms are not published.
Aug 02 22:42:40 <LionKMP> ok thank you. Nice to know!
Aug 02 22:44:34 <max_posedon> but still its better to have fs, which have ssd optionmisation/trim support
Aug 02 22:45:58 <LionKMP> When I install any OS with dfu-util, they don't boot. Any ideas?
Aug 02 22:46:37 <LionKMP> Android worked 100% ok from the internal storage (that installs itself from the MicroSD)
Aug 02 22:46:43 <max_posedon> you need update boot loader
Aug 02 22:46:51 <max_posedon> or configure it properly
Aug 02 22:47:05 <LionKMP> hm, just take the Qi from http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/  M
Aug 02 22:47:06 <LionKMP> ?
Aug 02 22:47:22 <LionKMP> OS starts booting but stops
Aug 02 22:47:54 <max_posedon> you know, its still too few information to guess
Aug 02 22:47:55 <LionKMP> I have a Qi, but installed many years ago I think
Aug 02 22:48:28 <LionKMP> [    1.8   ] SoftDog: Cannot register miscdev on minor=130 (err=16)
Aug 02 22:48:39 <LionKMP> above that 3 more lines, and that's all. Need those 3 too?
Aug 02 22:48:43 <LionKMP> Setting mode!
Aug 02 22:48:46 <LionKMP> Setting base!
Aug 02 22:48:58 <LionKMP> entering (old_state=off, new_state=normal)
Aug 02 22:49:28 <LionKMP> that's all. shr-unstable (full-om-gta02.jffs2)
Aug 02 22:49:44 <LionKMP> but I tried it 3-4 times before, and QMoko or what too.
Aug 02 22:49:53 <gena2x> qtmoko?
Aug 02 22:49:54 <LionKMP> 3-4 times = earlier this year, different versions.
Aug 02 22:49:58 <gena2x> not working?
Aug 02 22:50:02 <max_posedon> I can't help you with this, may somebody else can. I use uboot and shr on nand(ubifs)
Aug 02 22:50:18 <gena2x> from nand or from usd?
Aug 02 22:50:41 <LionKMP> hm.. ok. 
Aug 02 22:50:50 <LionKMP> gena2x: I can't get it boot from the internal storage (nand?)
Aug 02 22:50:58 <gena2x> yes.
Aug 02 22:50:59 <LionKMP> ah, usd = MicroSD :) 
Aug 02 22:51:14 <gena2x> yaah, not $
Aug 02 22:51:34 <LionKMP> Android worked OK, but that installs itself, does not need dfu-util.
Aug 02 22:51:41 <gena2x> so, i can try to help with qtmoko if you wish.
Aug 02 22:52:08 <gena2x> android also repartitions your nand.
Aug 02 22:52:26 <LionKMP> and is it "fixed" when I burn Kernel and RootFS?
Aug 02 22:52:33 <gena2x> so, lets try install qtmoko?
Aug 02 22:52:42 <LionKMP> hm.. maybe andoid broke it! 
Aug 02 22:53:05 <LionKMP> ok :) It's 1am and I spent 4-5 hours on trying to get OpenMoko related things work.
Aug 02 22:53:22 <gena2x> oh... i looked to clock.
Aug 02 22:53:33 <gena2x> i have to go bad for sure.
Aug 02 22:53:38 <LionKMP> bed
Aug 02 22:53:42 <gena2x> so, can't help today :)
Aug 02 22:53:45 <gena2x> yeah.
Aug 02 22:53:49 <LionKMP> ok, then no qtmoko today. Ok 1 question
Aug 02 22:53:52 <LionKMP> FSO or debian based?
Aug 02 22:54:02 <gena2x> i am using debian.
Aug 02 22:54:05 <LionKMP> ok
Aug 02 22:54:10 <LionKMP> next time, see you :) 
Aug 02 22:54:14 <LionKMP> I leave too
Aug 02 22:54:14 <gena2x> but my 'using' is different :)
Aug 02 22:54:24 <gena2x> and qtmoko for calls.
Aug 02 22:54:48 <gena2x> tomorrow, if you still wish to understand why it is not working.
Aug 02 22:55:04 <LionKMP> ok TIA!
Aug 02 23:03:39 <LionKMP> "android also repartitions your nand." was a good idea
Aug 02 23:03:42 <LionKMP> very good indeed
Aug 02 23:04:19 <LionKMP> SHR is up & running. I didn't know that Android breaks Qi or something related.
Aug 02 23:04:26 <LionKMP> Qi reflashing helped
Aug 02 23:04:45 <LionKMP> thanks all :)
Aug 02 23:04:50 <LionKMP> good night
Aug 02 23:07:22 <balrog-k1n> anyone ever had Illegal Instruction in /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 from SHR packages?
Aug 02 23:08:41 <zub> hm, have you ruled out storage corruption?
Aug 02 23:09:16 <zub> anyway, I haven't seen ^
Aug 02 23:11:42 <zub> 'night
Aug 02 23:20:16 <balrog-k1n> if i reinstall glib a couple of times and it persists, it should rule out storage problems, right?
Aug 03 00:16:06 <balrog-k1n> replacing SHR libglib-2.0-0 with angstrom libglib-2.0-0 made the program run a little further, and then replacing libdbus-1-3 yet a little further (still Illegal Instruction'ing, although in the program code now, so i'll try replacing gcc and recompiling the program)
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