**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 14 02:59:57 2010 Aug 14 03:16:39 what's the key for #openmoko-devel ? Aug 14 03:24:02 are there any packages that contain OSM maps? Aug 14 03:27:03 also, does anyone know if stopping autosuspend works when your quit settings in SHR now? Aug 14 03:30:35 The OSM maps are a few dozen terabytes. Aug 14 03:30:47 They won't fit on most SD cards. Aug 14 03:30:59 ouch Aug 14 03:31:07 why so insanely big? Aug 14 03:31:16 It's a PNG of the planet. Aug 14 03:31:21 not even the commercial products require *that* much space Aug 14 03:31:22 .. Aug 14 03:31:31 OSM is bitmap data? Aug 14 03:31:33 At down to around a meter a pixel. Aug 14 03:31:48 There are bitmaps and other data formats. Aug 14 03:32:30 SpeedEvil: yeah, I guess I was hoping on per-area packages, and low-res world packages Aug 14 03:32:43 not that hard to download them though... Aug 14 03:33:09 naught101: bitmaps would be very large and need to be updated perhaps weekly. Aug 14 03:33:42 I thought OSM just had road data Aug 14 03:33:52 It does. Aug 14 03:34:04 SpeedEvil: yeah, fair enough Aug 14 03:34:06 One presentation of this data - the form used by most mobile mapping systems is tiles. Aug 14 03:34:26 SpeedEvil: crappy mapping systems* Aug 14 03:34:47 Another format is postprocessed vectors. Aug 14 03:34:52 naught101: navit can use cloudmaps data Aug 14 03:34:52 from the xml data. Aug 14 03:35:06 a full navit xml is 4~ GB atm Aug 14 03:35:07 The XML data is ~160G. Aug 14 03:35:14 don't know about the upstream Aug 14 03:35:21 heh. now i know about upstream :) Aug 14 03:35:36 cloudmade data is just OSM data Aug 14 03:35:50 yeah Aug 14 03:35:51 cloudmade slices out extracts of this data Aug 14 03:45:11 ok Aug 14 04:00:00 when I start tangoGPS I get the message "No gpsd found" Aug 14 04:00:16 even though this is a fresh SHR install, and fso-gpsd IS running Aug 14 04:00:31 any hints? Aug 14 04:21:27 Sorry, no clue. Aug 14 04:38:16 it is actually working, never mind.. just says it while it's starting up.. Aug 14 04:40:52 how can I set the AUX button to lock the screen/run SHR today? Aug 14 04:41:03 SHR-today Aug 14 04:45:20 never mind... Aug 14 06:22:34 should iliwi ask me for a password when it tries to connect to my WPA2 wifi? Aug 14 06:23:46 naught101: i guess yes Aug 14 06:24:16 hrm... doesn't seem to.. Aug 14 06:24:41 just tries to connect without one Aug 14 06:24:48 naught101: it does, on the same screen where you press connect Aug 14 06:25:12 oh, yeah, I see Aug 14 06:26:05 thanks Aug 14 06:26:40 naught101: yup, it's easily overlooked Aug 14 06:31:06 Is that iliwi a worthy thing? I'm sometimes getting a little bit unhappy about editing wpa_supplicant.conf manually on the road. Aug 14 06:32:40 OTOH in fact it doesn't take much time and i have to do it only once anyway for every new AP which is not often. Aug 14 06:42:13 PaulFertser: hi, i am now playing with 2.6.34 kernel and i would like to ask if you remember problem described here: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2009-February/001032.html Aug 14 06:42:27 radekp: hi :) Aug 14 06:42:29 PaulFertser: i think there is similar problem on 2.6.34 kernel Aug 14 06:42:37 radekp: sure i do Aug 14 06:42:49 radekp: probably the same is with 2.6.32 Aug 14 06:43:10 is it fixable? Aug 14 06:43:35 radekp: sure, it's not a hardware issue. Just the UART lines should be tristated before powering the modem off. Aug 14 06:44:13 is it this commit? http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commit;h=699298c9ccf37cd116e485523c15c184781e5063 Aug 14 06:44:36 radekp: 8df75a337131d835d4dd8509696d684e4fa8970e Aug 14 06:47:14 PaulFertser: oki, thanks, i'll try to understand it :) Aug 14 06:49:17 PaulFertser: btw do you know what this line does? pcf50633_gpio_set(gta02_pcf, PCF50633_GPIO2, 7); Aug 14 06:49:36 what 7 means here Aug 14 06:49:40 ? Aug 14 06:54:33 radekp: hm Aug 14 06:54:54 radekp: i guess that means "output 1" on the line. Aug 14 06:55:32 radekp: pcf50633 uses other values to output 1 conditionally (depending on some inputs or other outputs). But 7 means do it unconditionally. Aug 14 08:55:09 i get a MMS . since shr doesn support , where sms are saved, so that i can trasfer it ? Aug 14 08:55:31 chomwitt_: opimd Aug 14 08:55:41 chomwitt_: you can get it with opimd-cli Aug 14 08:55:51 PaulFertser: thanks! Aug 14 13:22:29 hi people there Aug 14 13:22:37 doe openmoko is related to openembedded? Aug 14 13:22:49 DelphiWorld: kind of Aug 14 13:22:56 DelphiWorld: what exactly are you interested in? Aug 14 13:23:02 PaulFertser: thank you Aug 14 13:23:09 PaulFertser: to build my own personalised embedded image Aug 14 13:23:13 pauif yanuou could help Aug 14 13:23:25 DelphiWorld: SHR distro is openembedded based. Aug 14 13:23:31 paualso if you see me hard to understand i'm realy sory because i have some shell dificulty because i'm blind Aug 14 13:23:47 PaulFertser: also if you see me hard to understand i'm realy sory because i have some shell dificulty because i'm blind Aug 14 13:24:10 DelphiWorld: i hope this won't be an issue Aug 14 13:24:24 PaulFertser: yep, me also Aug 14 13:24:37 PaulFertser: i use win32 to access my centOs that i'm building in Aug 14 13:24:46 PaulFertser: but issus with bitbake Aug 14 13:24:58 DelphiWorld: i think for a customized image i would take SHR as a base and added packages/configuration i need to it. Aug 14 13:25:26 PaulFertser: any luck how to start, please? Aug 14 13:26:16 DelphiWorld: hm, i have to warn you in advance that OE can be hard. What kind of custamisation exactly would you like to have? Aug 14 13:26:17 PaulFertser: suv is my friend that is doing and helping me with linux shell Aug 14 13:26:21 Probably there's another way round. Aug 14 13:26:32 PaulFertser: ok, i will explin: Aug 14 13:26:34 hi paul Aug 14 13:26:38 suvir: hi :) Aug 14 13:26:41 me and suvir we are a members of #freeswitch community Aug 14 13:26:50 that is a open source media switching platform for VoIp Aug 14 13:27:02 Nice to meet you folks :) Aug 14 13:27:10 and we are trying to build custom embedded image to put freeswitch into any hardware Aug 14 13:27:19 :) Aug 14 13:27:20 and include lighttpd / mysql or sqlite / php Aug 14 13:27:28 thank you PaulFertser;) Aug 14 13:28:17 DelphiWorld: so basically you want to have a filesystem image that can be put to the Freerunner's NAND flash that has that software preinstalled, right? Aug 14 13:28:46 PaulFertser: yes, and a custom distro name, i wanna name it PowerPBX;) Aug 14 13:29:14 paul i am here to learn and to be the eyes of delphiworld Aug 14 13:29:20 DelphiWorld: ok, then one have to start with the Building SHR wikipage, and to build at least the stock image successfully. Aug 14 13:29:37 suvir: http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Building%20SHR Aug 14 13:30:16 paul i have book marked that page Aug 14 13:30:19 PaulFertser: have you heare about freeswitch yet? Aug 14 13:30:29 paul i though openmoko was a mobile platform? Aug 14 13:30:37 yes, suvir Aug 14 13:30:53 suvir: once that works, you can add an additional inc file specifying extra packages you want to have in your image (you can use shr-full image vs shr-lite image as an example). Aug 14 13:30:58 suvir: openmoko can run in nokia N900 i think;) Aug 14 13:31:01 is there active development still going on for openmoko Aug 14 13:31:06 suvir: yes, it's basically a smartphone. Aug 14 13:31:16 suvir: openmoko is particular hardware now. Aug 14 13:31:39 PaulFertser: yes, opensourced design Aug 14 13:31:43 suvir: some run Debian on it, some OE-based distros, some OpenWRT, some qtopia-related software and so on. Aug 14 13:31:44 paul i was very interested when i read about openmoko but about 2 years ago many people said it was in the infancy stage Aug 14 13:32:04 suvir: well, i'm using it as my only cellphone but it's pita. But quite fun. Aug 14 13:32:33 paul I remember the price of the hardware at that time was pretty high Aug 14 13:32:39 the development kit Aug 14 13:32:54 DelphiWorld: yes, i've heard about freeswitch (as in "we're not using asterisk, we're freeswitch fans") but i haven't tried using anything like that yet. Aug 14 13:33:02 1s Aug 14 13:33:04 phone call Aug 14 13:33:08 suvir: you do not need the development kit to develop. Aug 14 13:33:20 paul i am using freeswitch for a 30 seat call center Aug 14 13:33:25 i set it up last week Aug 14 13:33:31 i was using asterisk Aug 14 13:33:38 but now switched to freeswitch Aug 14 13:34:08 if you are into voip and telephony you really need to take a look at freeswitch Aug 14 13:34:18 suvir: thanks, will keep that in mind :) Aug 14 13:34:31 paul thank you for being so helpful :) Aug 14 13:34:58 does open moko have a sip client? Aug 14 13:35:18 suvir: there's no such thing as openmoko distro nowadays. Aug 14 13:35:43 i see thats a pity Aug 14 13:35:52 suvir: i think the easiest is to use linphone on the device for a sip client, and it's included in both Debian and SHR (OE-based). Aug 14 13:36:23 so that means you can install linphone on the handphone you are using as a deb package? Aug 14 13:36:37 suvir: OE is something akin to a Gentoo for building embedded images. So adding software is a matter of writing a recipe (ebuild in gentoo terminology). Aug 14 13:36:42 paul just for your information I am from Thailand and Delphiworld is from algeria Aug 14 13:36:52 suvir: yes, as i'm using Debian. Aug 14 13:37:00 I see Aug 14 13:37:04 suvir: OE users use another but similar package format. Aug 14 13:37:11 suvir: and i'm from Russia :) Aug 14 13:37:15 me and delphiworld talk on voip and try to learn together Aug 14 13:37:20 wow mother russia :) Aug 14 13:37:23 suvir: :) Aug 14 13:37:39 suvir: nice way to learn indeed Aug 14 13:37:59 so if there is no open moko what do you guys talk about and do in this channel? Aug 14 13:38:26 suvir: so basically there's no need for a custom distro as one can just install (apt-get install or opkg install) the software he wants. Aug 14 13:39:14 so you suggest we use OE for our build platform? we were looking at slax and opensuse and linux from scratch Aug 14 13:39:17 suvir: well, there's openmoko-the-company. They abandoned phone business long time ago. There was once openmoko distro (OE-based), it's abandoned as well. There're openmoko-produced devices left. And some of us are still using them. Aug 14 13:39:46 suvir: it all depends on what you want to do. Aug 14 13:40:00 well the idea is to build an appliance Aug 14 13:40:07 using perhaps an atom processor Aug 14 13:40:12 and make it a pabx Aug 14 13:40:18 just for the learning experience Aug 14 13:40:36 suvir: ah, so it's not openmoko related then? Aug 14 13:40:59 suvir: you may find #edev useful Aug 14 13:41:03 no its not really related to open moko but we really dont know how to start such a project Aug 14 13:41:14 suvir: if you're using a powerfull enough platform, i'd just use Debian on it. Aug 14 13:41:24 haha ok Aug 14 13:41:34 paul but how to make a smal smal debian Aug 14 13:41:37 suvir: i mean you just install all the software you need, configure it, test it, etc. Aug 14 13:41:42 without all the extra fat Aug 14 13:41:42 suvir: how small? Aug 14 13:42:01 target about 150 MB Aug 14 13:42:25 just command line and gcc and networking Aug 14 13:42:26 suvir: hm, quite a constraint. Aug 14 13:42:36 you want gcc there? Aug 14 13:42:47 hi lindi Aug 14 13:43:10 perhaps just for initial build environment but later no gcc Aug 14 13:43:23 i am pretty new to all this so i got many questions :) Aug 14 13:43:40 suvir: you have not used debian before? Aug 14 13:43:44 or maybe we can build it on a host and then transfer Aug 14 13:43:58 lindi not debian directly used ubuntu and linuxmint Aug 14 13:44:01 using linuxmint now Aug 14 13:44:30 debian i had put it on a KUROBOX (buffalow brand external hdd case) before Aug 14 13:44:50 I am a slackware fan Aug 14 13:45:11 never tried debian but hear a lot of really good things about it Aug 14 13:45:38 suvir: if you want some really small images, you can also look at OpenWRT. A well-maintained distro. But almost no documentation for the developers whatsoever, one needs to be experienced to understand their tricky Makefiles system and other concepts, but once you do that, you can add pretty much any software to an image. Aug 14 13:46:01 suvir: i'm not sure if for building a custom distro OE or OpenWRT is preferred. Aug 14 13:46:21 yes we did look at openwrt for x86 earlier today but got confused as to what type of image to choose Aug 14 13:46:30 and i really didnt know what to do with an img file Aug 14 13:46:46 i have used openwrt only on my linksys router Aug 14 13:46:51 but never on a full blown pc Aug 14 13:47:08 they also have a package manager ipkg i believe Aug 14 13:47:13 suvir: heh, one can "easily" read the corresponding makefile to understand how that img is built and if your target is x86, you're supposed to understand its booting process in details :) Aug 14 13:47:54 not easy for a newbie Aug 14 13:48:08 suvir: i guess openwrt had an option to embed grub in the image, so it can be simply dd'd to the whole harddrive (not partition). Aug 14 13:48:15 But i do not remember exactly. Aug 14 13:48:20 i see Aug 14 13:48:30 so what do you do as a day job paul? Aug 14 13:48:34 suvir: where did you get that 150MB constraint from? Aug 14 13:48:36 i am working in an IT company Aug 14 13:49:16 suvir: i'm kinda embedded programmer (avr, arm). Occassionally doing some little gtk apps too. Aug 14 13:49:25 paulfertser was talking to delphiworld and just got a 150MB out of the air its just like a nice to have size nothing serious, of course we could go bigger Aug 14 13:49:41 suvir: because probably using debian is a really easy and nice thing. Aug 14 13:49:43 i see i make some programs for 8051 using sdcc Aug 14 13:49:58 i see i will take a serious look at debian Aug 14 13:50:00 suvir: i did that too when i started to study microcontrollers :) Aug 14 13:50:23 i have a pic kit at home but have not played with it yet Aug 14 13:50:36 wanted to get into TCP/IP stack on the microcontroller Aug 14 13:51:04 use mostly atmel 8051 chips like at89s8252 Aug 14 13:51:24 suvir: for some one-off projects it really now makes sense to target ARMs, they're cheap and capable and plenty of libs available. Aug 14 13:51:24 PaulFertser: probably depends on your background. it does take a while to understand how debian does things and why Aug 14 13:51:44 lindi-: oh yeah. But what is the alternative? Aug 14 13:52:41 lindi-: i think gentoo is easier when it comes to the point you want to package something yourself. Aug 14 13:53:52 * DelphiWorld is back Aug 14 13:54:24 hi delphiworld welcome back Aug 14 13:54:34 paul recommends to use debian Aug 14 13:54:35 suvir: so anything up with PaulFertser? Aug 14 13:54:50 yes he said it is a good way to start Aug 14 13:54:57 i have heard many good things about debian also Aug 14 13:55:28 PaulF: ;) Aug 14 13:55:39 Bip server connectivity issues again :/ Aug 14 13:56:07 delphiworld: paul develops microcontroller applications Aug 14 13:56:28 suvir: nice Aug 14 13:56:34 suvir: lately i mostly help my coworkers debugging theirs :) Aug 14 13:56:34 PaulF: pic or what micro controler? Aug 14 13:56:45 DelphiWorld: AVR and now ARMs. Aug 14 13:56:54 Never touched PICs Aug 14 13:56:56 PaulF: good Aug 14 13:57:05 PaulF: do a micro controler need a operating system? Aug 14 13:57:27 DelphiWorld: yes, i used FreeRTOS on an AVR and now we do it on our ARM projects too. Aug 14 13:57:37 DelphiWorld: to me it's a clear win. Aug 14 13:58:08 DelphiWorld: it's not much of an OS, rather a scheduler and some synchronisation and other IPC primitives. Aug 14 13:58:21 PaulF: ;) Aug 14 13:58:42 PaulF: do you want to join us into a conference? Aug 14 13:59:06 DelphiWorld: as in "voip conference"? Probably not right now :) Aug 14 13:59:13 PaulF: yah Aug 14 13:59:29 Also i'm too shy of my accent ;) Aug 14 13:59:52 PaulF: ;) Aug 14 14:00:03 PaulF: where are you from? Aug 14 14:00:10 DelphiWorld: russia Aug 14 14:00:18 PaulF: ;) Aug 14 14:00:20 PaulF: algeria Aug 14 14:00:41 paul Aug 14 14:00:48 what is the size we can get with debian Aug 14 14:00:50 what do you think Aug 14 14:00:57 suvir: good question Aug 14 14:01:09 PaulF: go visit http://www.askosia.com is less thant 30mb Aug 14 14:01:40 DelphiWorld: the link's bad Aug 14 14:01:47 oh Aug 14 14:01:52 wrong link Aug 14 14:01:57 there is no such link Aug 14 14:02:02 cannot go to that page Aug 14 14:02:02 lindi-: any idea about the minimal size of a stripped down Debian? Aug 14 14:02:25 lindi and also how do we strip it down? Aug 14 14:02:34 PaulF / suvir: http://www.askozia.com/ Aug 14 14:02:53 suvir: when you're designing something new it's often "wise" to consider using something that is a little bit more expensive but faster to do development with. Aug 14 14:03:18 lindi-===monday Aug 14 14:03:31 yes that i what i was trying to say to delphiworld Aug 14 14:03:32 suvir: so probably getting a 1Gb usb flash drive for your atom platform is not an issue and you have no size constraints. Aug 14 14:03:38 target x86 first Aug 14 14:03:42 make the barrier of entry small Aug 14 14:04:05 suvir: i agree Aug 14 14:04:06 i have a 750Mhz PIII board here so i can start with that Aug 14 14:04:11 DelphiWorld: if you want less than 20Mb then you're most probably after hard studying OpenWRT. Aug 14 14:04:17 PaulF: suvir: there's this emdebian thing Aug 14 14:04:31 PaulF: yes, i suggested it Aug 14 14:04:37 PaulF: but we are confused Aug 14 14:04:54 DelphiWorld: OpenWRT is really nice but lacks developer documentation. One just reads the sources. Aug 14 14:05:04 emdebian looks good! Aug 14 14:05:05 ;) Aug 14 14:05:23 http://www.emdebian.org/ Aug 14 14:05:40 suvir: visiting Aug 14 14:06:15 delphiworld we will have to read the introductory guide Aug 14 14:06:20 there is a link on that page Aug 14 14:06:30 suvir: seen it... Aug 14 14:06:51 suvir: x86 has a high barrier of entry Aug 14 14:07:27 luke-jr : really, haha I thought it would be the easiest, how little i know Aug 14 14:07:35 even a 750 MHz PIII is fairly high-end in comparison to ARM Aug 14 14:08:02 luke-jr when you say high barrier do you mean price? or difficulty? Aug 14 14:08:14 suvir: I mean usefulness Aug 14 14:08:36 if people develop on a 2 GHz processor, it won't end up working sanely on a 600 MHz ARM Aug 14 14:08:50 s/develop/test/ Aug 14 14:08:50 luke-jr meant: if people test on a 2 GHz processor, it won't end up working sanely on a 600 MHz ARM Aug 14 14:08:55 oh ok i see your point Aug 14 14:09:37 you can probably find a not-so-free equivalent to Freerunner cheaply Aug 14 14:09:47 i think the device ultimately will have an atom board ... because they are cheap and nothing to build just buy Aug 14 14:09:49 testing on that will give you lowest-common-denomination Aug 14 14:10:32 delphiworld: why do you want to target arm? Aug 14 14:10:48 suvir: FYI, I'm talking just from the channel's topic. The device obviously has ARM… so no idea what you're talking about having Atom :p Aug 14 14:11:14 suvir: because arm is the mostly used embedded CPU but not forced Aug 14 14:11:25 luke-jr we are trying to decide what to use as a platform for our freeswitch voip pbx device Aug 14 14:11:55 but as lindi said emdebian looks interesting Aug 14 14:12:03 suvir: luke-jr also is a fs community member Aug 14 14:12:18 oh :) Aug 14 14:12:34 DelphiWorld: which is why I'd recommend Asterisk, depending on your needs :P Aug 14 14:12:42 haha! Aug 14 14:12:48 oh, luke-jr......... Aug 14 14:12:50 the FreeSWITCH developers need to get a clue Aug 14 14:12:52 suvir: I'm not sure I can recommend emdebian unless you have debian experience first Aug 14 14:13:19 too much needless forking/branching, and no stable releases Aug 14 14:13:23 lindi its ok we have to read a lot and learn a lot but at least we need a place to start and debian seems very interesting Aug 14 14:13:48 Asterisk has the first problem a bit worse, but at least they have stable releases Aug 14 14:13:58 stable releases are a must for anything production Aug 14 14:14:20 luke-jr: you should have a look at the asterisk source code for voicemail Aug 14 14:14:23 i nearly cried Aug 14 14:14:33 luckfs don't have stable release? Aug 14 14:14:33 heh Aug 14 14:14:42 suvir: unfortunately, not too much choice ☹ Aug 14 14:14:49 DelphiWorld: nope Aug 14 14:14:57 luckwait Aug 14 14:15:02 i have a 30 seat call center on freeswitch and I can sleep at night :) Aug 14 14:15:07 DelphiWorld: and they won't support you unless you track git head Aug 14 14:15:37 DelphiWorld: I have to work with FS for paid work, so I'm not interested in pissing them off :p Aug 14 14:15:38 i guess thats what you get with only 3 lead developers Aug 14 14:16:00 luke-jr what do you do with freeswitch? Aug 14 14:16:30 suvir: it's the primary audio/telephony framework for a proprietary product Aug 14 14:16:32 folk, luke-jr and suvir Aug 14 14:16:36 this talk is off topic;) Aug 14 14:16:38 which is not public info yet Aug 14 14:16:51 i see Aug 14 14:16:58 luke-jr: why you don't use asterisk as a framework? Aug 14 14:17:40 delphiworld because he wants to sleep at night Aug 14 14:17:43 DelphiWorld: it's also supported, but the FreeSWITCH backend was more mature at the time someone made the decision to recommend one platform over the other Aug 14 14:18:01 and it's better for marketting I suspect Aug 14 14:18:12 luke-jr are you using the freeswitch paid support? Aug 14 14:18:13 suvir: so you didn't sleep as night? Aug 14 14:18:26 suvir: never heard of it Aug 14 14:18:35 delphiworld i would not sleep using asterisk for mission critical support Aug 14 14:18:47 luke-jr there is paid support for freeswitch also Aug 14 14:18:55 luke-jr: i know i'm blind Aug 14 14:19:12 luke-jr: if i use shitstrisk i couldn't get started with VoIp Aug 14 14:19:28 Asterisk was the only option when I started Aug 14 14:19:38 http://www.freeswitchsolutions.com/ Aug 14 14:19:41 my home PBX is still Asterisk 1.2 I think Aug 14 14:19:47 thats the paid support Aug 14 14:20:19 luke-jr: my home PBX is freeswitch (head) US hosted but i'm in algeria;) Aug 14 14:20:38 suvir: honestly, even if the company I was doing this for had room in the budget, I'd suggest they hire someone to maintain a stable version first Aug 14 14:22:57 suvir: PM Aug 14 14:29:17 hi undrwater! Aug 14 14:35:09 luke-jr so when will we be seeing your product Aug 14 14:36:02 suvir: if asterisk based, look and wait for it in 2020 Aug 14 14:36:33 delphiworld asterisk is noot so bad come on :) Aug 14 14:36:44 suvir: may i kill you? Aug 14 14:36:46 :P suvir Aug 14 14:36:51 i still have i asterisk server running Aug 14 14:36:59 cd /usr/local Aug 14 14:37:02 killall suvir Aug 14 14:37:06 :) Aug 14 14:37:11 kill -9 Aug 14 14:37:18 suvir: dunno Aug 14 14:37:34 cp -R #openmoko/taylend/suvir /earth/algeria Aug 14 14:37:53 its thailand :) Aug 14 14:38:29 lindi there is a debian 505 business card iso version Aug 14 14:38:34 i will try that on virtualbox Aug 14 14:38:37 just to see Aug 14 14:38:40 lindi-: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Making+a+Custom+Boot+CD+for+Debian Aug 14 14:38:44 lindi-: please odite it;=) Aug 14 14:41:38 odite? Aug 14 14:42:11 DelphiWorld: that howto looks really ancient Aug 14 14:42:16 2005? Aug 14 14:42:30 lindi-: mean? Aug 14 14:42:35 very old Aug 14 14:42:39 year 2005 Aug 14 14:42:44 but work mayb Aug 14 14:42:45 now its 2010 :) Aug 14 14:42:57 DelphiWorld: no, don't trust it :) Aug 14 14:43:19 DelphiWorld: the documentation is included in debian itself Aug 14 14:43:30 no need to rely on some random wiki Aug 14 14:44:14 * DelphiWorld rely only in lindi- Aug 14 14:44:15 :) Aug 14 15:19:57 lindi-: we are seeking to start emdebian;) Aug 14 15:20:32 DelphiWorld: note that I have not used emdebian much, I prefer real debian :) Aug 14 15:20:44 hehe Aug 14 15:25:14 mickeyl: it's strange i get timeouts only on suspend and resume but haven't seem them during operation. Aug 14 16:22:02 PaulF: can you try disabling touching the flow control? Aug 14 16:22:19 as I don't remember having problems with timeouts, it may be related to that Aug 14 16:24:02 mickeyl: i can try of course :) but i have no idea how to verify if it works as it's not readily reproducible. Aug 14 16:24:31 mickeyl: btw, am i using a recent enough version for my logs (posted on the ticket) to make sense? Aug 14 16:25:45 these looks strange too: Aug 14 16:25:46 2010-08-12T17:18:07.163701Z [INFO] TiCalypsoModem <4C>: Modem Status changed to FSO_GSM_MODEM_STATUS_RESUMING Aug 14 16:25:50 2010-08-12T17:18:07.202805Z [DEBUG] libfsotransport <0710:3>: Wrote '+CREG=2'. Waiting (120s) for answer... Aug 14 16:25:53 2010-08-12T17:36:44.116399Z [WARN] libfsotransport <0710:3>: Timeout while waiting for an answer to '+CREG=2' Aug 14 16:25:56 2010-08-12T17:36:44.117387Z [DEBUG] libfsotransport <0710:3>: Retrying '+CREG=2', retry counter = 2 Aug 14 16:25:59 2010-08-12T17:36:44.518954Z [INFO] libfsotransport <0710:3>: SRC: "+CREG=2" -> [ "OK" ] Aug 14 16:28:08 hmm, yeah Aug 14 16:28:13 calypso... Aug 14 16:28:24 Also fsogsmd seem to misbehave Aug 14 16:28:32 As the timestamps do not make sense Aug 14 16:29:06 Hm, or probably that's autosuspend kicking in in between, is it possible it might do that? Aug 14 16:29:57 no idea Aug 14 16:30:11 autosuspend would trigger resource messages though Aug 14 16:30:28 mickeyl: hm, i'll check frameworkd log Aug 14 16:30:56 might want to use the same logfile also for fsousaged Aug 14 16:31:04 to make the order of things clear Aug 14 16:33:25 mickeyl: heh, looks like i'm right :( http://paste.debian.net/83308/ Aug 14 16:34:43 mickeyl: plus fsousgade log: http://paste.debian.net/83309/ Aug 14 16:35:04 Now it's not magical fsogsmd gets disabled instead of trying to repeat the commands Aug 14 16:35:14 yep Aug 14 16:35:39 if a resume does not complete in time, the resource gets disabled Aug 14 16:35:42 as a last resort, so to say Aug 14 16:36:24 since the timeout handling essentially seems to work, we can now move it back to a reasonable time Aug 14 16:36:30 mickeyl: in practice this whole thing makes a mess, i have no idea what to suggest :( Aug 14 16:36:47 throw the modem away... Aug 14 16:36:55 i don't have any of these problems on other devices Aug 14 16:37:11 mickeyl: even if that's the modem guilty, you'd have the same with every other modem if the voltage is too low. Aug 14 16:37:40 you think this is about voltage? Aug 14 16:37:53 why is it answering with an OK then? Aug 14 16:38:06 mickeyl: also i am not 100% sure there's no some subtle bug in the "wake-up-wake-up" logic/implementation.. Aug 14 16:38:24 mickeyl: no i mean even if i had another modem there would be some chances to get troubles similar to these. Aug 14 16:38:45 i guess commercial devices just shut down earlier Aug 14 16:38:46