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Aug 17 04:03:24 <pabs3> from SHR-u: * check_data_file_clashes: Package libcrypto1.0.0 wants to install file /usr/lib/ssl/openssl.cnf But that file is already provided by package  * libcrypto0.9.8
Aug 17 04:26:38 <DiodomanX> anyone have debian tarball?
Aug 17 04:26:42 <DiodomanX> i really need it
Aug 17 04:27:10 <da4089> for what target?
Aug 17 04:27:19 <DiodomanX> neo freerunner
Aug 17 04:27:23 <DiodomanX> GTA0
Aug 17 04:27:27 <DiodomanX> GTA02
Aug 17 04:29:39 <DiodomanX> i was trying to install it with qtmoko and shr
Aug 17 04:29:48 <DiodomanX> but always say internal error
Aug 17 04:30:04 <DiodomanX> sometimes in debian stage and sometimes in apt stage
Aug 17 04:31:01 <da4089> i installed QtMoko on my Neo1973 (GTA01) on the weekend.
Aug 17 04:31:26 <da4089> it was pretty easy in the end
Aug 17 04:31:57 <DiodomanX> yes i have qtmoko installes and want to install debian on sd
Aug 17 04:32:47 <da4089> you have qtmoko-debian-v24.tar.gz?
Aug 17 04:32:59 <DiodomanX> no jffs2
Aug 17 04:35:19 <da4089> i used an ext3 partition, mounted it on my desktop, and just untarred that file into the mounted partition.
Aug 17 04:35:42 <DiodomanX> you mean qtmoko based on debian
Aug 17 04:35:46 <da4089> yep
Aug 17 04:35:51 <DiodomanX> but i want debian itself
Aug 17 04:36:46 <DiodomanX> im using install.sh
Aug 17 04:36:58 <DiodomanX> but always receive a error message
Aug 17 04:37:09 <brian__> did u install bash first?
Aug 17 04:38:18 <da4089> sorry, i haven't tried raw debian install.
Aug 17 04:38:47 <brian__> i used install.sh with a shr  install
Aug 17 04:39:00 <brian__> 3 weeks ago i guess
Aug 17 04:39:55 <brian__> i had sdcard issues for a long time  an changed cards an it installed
Aug 17 04:40:40 <da4089> i had card reader issues; got new USB-SD adaptor and had it running in 30 minutes.
Aug 17 04:41:54 <DiodomanX> i try with two diferent sd cards
Aug 17 04:41:56 <brian__> ya the 12 dollar targus    works for a cheapie
Aug 17 04:45:34 <da4089> DiodomanX: did you find the kernel image?  looks like it's in http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/obsolete-images/framework/ now
Aug 17 04:49:45 <DiodomanX> i was trying milestone 5.5
Aug 17 06:12:11 <zzhan171> does openmoko modem support multi GPRS contexts at the same time?
Aug 17 06:28:32 <DocScrutinizer> contexts?
Aug 17 06:41:42 <PaulF> DocScrutinizer: yes, it's called "context", one can set it with e.g. AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internet.beeline.ru". But you can have several contexts and some modems support activating several at the same time.
Aug 17 06:42:33 <PaulF> DocScrutinizer: i think zzhan171 might want that for being able to use both "internet" and "mms" APNs at the same time.
Aug 17 06:43:02 <lindi-> +CGDCONT=[<cid> [,<PDP_type> [,<APN>[,<PDP_addr> [,<d_comp> [,<h_comp>  [,<pd1> [,...[,pdN]]]]]]]]]
Aug 17 06:43:30 <lindi-> and "<APN>: (Access Point Name)"
Aug 17 06:43:36 <DocScrutinizer51> mhm, but I'd guess you need separate channels for the different APNs
Aug 17 06:45:04 <DocScrutinizer51> but honestly I'd doubt calypso can do this
Aug 17 06:47:03 <DocScrutinizer51> anyway seems calypso can support max 4 channels via 0710mux
Aug 17 06:50:35 <PaulF> Indeed
Aug 17 06:58:13 <zzhan171> PaulF: yeah.
Aug 17 06:58:42 <zzhan171> i want to know does it support multiple contexts activated at the same time. Does FreeRunner support that?
Aug 17 06:59:14 <zzhan171> does calypso supoprt that? using different mux channel?
Aug 17 06:59:18 <PaulF> zzhan171: probably mickeyl have tried that but i'm not sure. I guess it'd be faster if you tried it yourself.
Aug 17 07:00:29 <zhenhua> but once you use ppp activate one ppp0 context, how to dial another one?
Aug 17 07:01:23 <PaulF> zhenhua: get fso-abyss, manually ask it for 2 channels.
Aug 17 07:01:54 <PaulF> zhenhua: then connect socat to one of that and enter commands needed to register to the network manually
Aug 17 07:02:16 <PaulF> zhenhua: then preset two different context (1, 2)
Aug 17 07:02:41 <PaulF> zhenhua: then you can type ATD*99#1 on one channel and ATD*99#2 on another.
Aug 17 07:02:57 <PaulF> zhenhua: if you see ppp "garbage" on both at the same time, it probably works.
Aug 17 07:04:04 <zhenhua> PaulF: thanks. will try then.
Aug 17 07:15:06 <PaulF> zhenhua: you can also use good-old method "connect 'chat \'\' ATD*99#1" for pppd parameter to be really sure the sessions work. I mean you ask for one channel, then with socat on it prepare the modem, then you ask for another and start pppd on it, and the same for the third. blablabla
Aug 17 07:16:15 <zhenhua> PaulF: normally, i think modem has two ports, one for data, one for command
Aug 17 07:16:47 <zhenhua> however, i only see one port with mux support on calypso. (i am still new comer for TI modem)
Aug 17 07:17:23 <zhenhua> do you mean to put "connect 'chat'" into ppd profile file?
Aug 17 07:17:52 <zhenhua> i can try to use pppd chat later.
Aug 17 07:18:42 <zhenhua> btw, how does gsmd2 do gprs connect? i'd like to see code. ;-)
Aug 17 07:19:04 <PaulF> zhenhua: calypso supports 4 muxed channels
Aug 17 07:19:14 <PaulF> zhenhua: gsmd2, what's that?
Aug 17 07:19:46 <zhenhua> the source of fso project, isn't it?
Aug 17 07:19:55 <lindi-> zhenhua: fso has written two
Aug 17 07:20:05 <zhenhua> git://git.freesmartphone.org/gsmd2.git
Aug 17 07:20:56 <zhenhua> gsmd is 1st and no more maintained. right? 
Aug 17 07:21:33 <lindi-> zhenhua: gsmd was written by harald
Aug 17 07:22:08 <lindi-> zhenhua: then there was pyneo
Aug 17 07:22:29 <lindi-> zhenhua: then fso forked/rewrote pyneo and called it fso-ogsmd
Aug 17 07:22:54 <lindi-> zhenhua: at some point qt entered the picture, don't know exactly when
Aug 17 07:23:30 <zhenhua> lindi-: so...which one should i look into? fso-ogsmd?
Aug 17 07:23:37 <lindi-> zhenhua: It depends no who you ask
Aug 17 07:23:45 <lindi-> zhenhua: and what do you want
Aug 17 07:23:58 <zhenhua> which one is used in SHR? ;-)
Aug 17 07:24:05 <JaMa> fsogsmd
Aug 17 07:24:22 <zhenhua> thanks
Aug 17 07:28:11 <zhenhua> lindi-: JaMa: i don't find fso-ogsmd's git repo on http://git.freesmartphone.org/
Aug 17 07:29:01 <PaulF> zhenhua: it's in cornucopia
Aug 17 07:29:04 <PaulF> zhenhua: fsogsmd
Aug 17 07:29:14 <zhenhua> I see. thanks
Aug 17 07:34:29 <lindi-> zhenhua: hmm, it's in framworkd
Aug 17 07:34:53 <lindi-> zhenhua: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=summary
Aug 17 07:47:31 <Heinervdm> ogsmd is in frameworkd, fsogsmd is in cornucopia
Aug 17 07:47:50 <Heinervdm> ogsmd is used in SHR-testing, fsogsmd is used in SHR-unstable
Aug 17 07:50:48 <JaMa> and SHR-testing from may (in tests dir) also uses fsogsmd
Aug 17 07:51:26 <JaMa> Heinervdm: do you have an idea about why numbers should be truncated by 1 char in that testing shr-t?
Aug 17 07:51:57 <JaMa> Heinervdm: from http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td5307993
Aug 17 07:55:35 <Heinervdm> JaMa: while importing from SIM?
Aug 17 07:56:05 <JaMa> I know only what is written in that thread..
Aug 17 07:56:32 <JaMa> but yes as I understand it
Aug 17 07:58:59 <Heinervdm> hmm, since switch to 2.6.32 i have noise in X
Aug 17 08:02:00 <JaMa> temporary? like gray dots which are gone after redraw?
Aug 17 08:05:43 <Heinervdm> in aceofpenguins ther are often "ghost cards"
Aug 17 08:06:08 <Heinervdm> Now i had a grey illume launcher with some black dots
Aug 17 08:11:22 <Heinervdm> after redrawing it's gone
Aug 17 10:01:56 <JameswStubbs> Hello, where's the best place to get a second hand freerunner in the Uk?
Aug 17 10:04:02 <JameswStubbs> Or is anyone selling one? :D
Aug 17 10:04:11 <PaulF> JameswStubbs: ebay probably? ;)
Aug 17 10:04:42 <PaulF> JameswStubbs: some offers appear on community ML sometimes
Aug 17 10:05:19 <JameswStubbs> PaulF: Yeh, There's ONE on eBay :) I put a £15 bid on it but O
Aug 17 10:05:20 <JameswStubbs> I
Aug 17 10:05:33 <JameswStubbs> I've already been outbid, going to snipe it in a coule of days
Aug 17 10:05:39 <JameswStubbs> ML?
Aug 17 10:06:14 <JameswStubbs> I'm bored of porting to the iPhone, I can't write drivers :/
Aug 17 10:07:38 <PaulF> JameswStubbs: i hope you're aware of FR's hardware limitations, aren't you?
Aug 17 10:08:17 <JameswStubbs> PaulF: Limitations? I'm aware of some faulty antennas and gps
Aug 17 10:08:32 <JameswStubbs> Specs wise it seems appropriate for what I want to do
Aug 17 10:08:33 <PaulF> JameswStubbs: gprs only, not even EDGE.
Aug 17 10:08:39 <JameswStubbs> PaulF: That
Aug 17 10:08:41 <PaulF> JameswStubbs: wifi sucks
Aug 17 10:08:44 <JameswStubbs> 's not a problem :)
Aug 17 10:09:10 <PaulF> JameswStubbs: for GSM conversations you'd need a buzzfix.
Aug 17 10:09:17 <JameswStubbs> PaulF: It has powermanagement, which is more than I have with the iPhone
Aug 17 10:10:02 <PaulF> JameswStubbs: standby power consumption is suboptimal without 1024 fix (so you get only 70 hours of standby instead of 140).
Aug 17 10:10:08 <JameswStubbs> I can't even send suspends to kernel with the iPhone :/ Everythings running full power all the time
Aug 17 10:10:20 <JameswStubbs> I get 3 hour stand by
Aug 17 10:10:27 <PaulF> JameswStubbs: yeah, reverse-engineered targets are alwys tough :|
Aug 17 10:10:55 <JameswStubbs> PaulF: It's far above my expertise
Aug 17 10:11:30 <PaulF> JameswStubbs: what is your particular usecase? Probably palm pre or htc dream would fit it better.
Aug 17 10:11:48 <JameswStubbs> PaulF: I'm creating an Ubuntu based distro for the iPhone
Aug 17 10:11:56 <JameswStubbs> PaulF: Linux userland development I guess
Aug 17 10:12:11 <PaulF> JameswStubbs: why do you need a smartphone then? :)
Aug 17 10:12:21 <JameswStubbs> PaulF: I'm fiddling with matchbox now to make it a bit more mobile friendly
Aug 17 10:12:49 <PaulF> JameswStubbs: aren't you fascinated with e17's illume2?
Aug 17 10:13:06 <PaulF> The targets are getting more and more powerful.
Aug 17 10:13:18 <JameswStubbs> PaulF: I am yes :) Looks very nice with eye candy sans compisting, but I havn't gotten it to compile for armv6
Aug 17 10:13:57 <JameswStubbs> I can't find a dependency list for compiling either :/
Aug 17 10:14:14 <PaulF> JameswStubbs: builds fine with OE.
Aug 17 10:14:21 <PaulF> JameswStubbs: just take a look at its recipe.
Aug 17 10:14:21 <JameswStubbs> I'd like to know how to build a qt that would be nice
Aug 17 10:14:26 <JameswStubbs> PaulF: That
Aug 17 10:14:33 <JameswStubbs> 's what I've been following :)
Aug 17 10:14:44 <JameswStubbs> It kind of made me want an openmoko
Aug 17 10:15:00 <PaulF> JameswStubbs: http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/e17
Aug 17 10:15:11 <JameswStubbs> Oo new link :)
Aug 17 10:16:19 <JameswStubbs> PaulF: What OS are you using on your device?
Aug 17 10:16:28 <PaulF> JameswStubbs: Debian
Aug 17 10:16:44 <PaulF> JameswStubbs: but most folks here are using the SHR distro, it's OE-based.
Aug 17 10:17:10 <JameswStubbs> I was considering dualbooting Android and Debian, Android to use as a phone and Debian to tinker with
Aug 17 10:17:33 <JameswStubbs> With Ubuntu been based on Debian, I could use what I learn for the iPhone
Aug 17 10:17:45 <JameswStubbs> Xfce with onboard is not mobile friendly :/
Aug 17 10:17:50 <PaulF> JameswStubbs: i haven't heard from the folks using android since long. 
Aug 17 10:18:23 <JameswStubbs> PaulF: I've asked around, they say it's just about usable as a daily OS
Aug 17 10:18:29 <PaulF> JameswStubbs: i'm using emacs with my own telephony UI inside. Talking about friendliness.
Aug 17 10:18:44 <JameswStubbs> PaulF: Command line telephone calls :S?
Aug 17 10:19:01 <PaulF> JameswStubbs: no. My emacs is fingerfriendly enough.
Aug 17 10:19:15 <PaulF> JameswStubbs: and that's my only cellphone btw
Aug 17 10:19:15 <JameswStubbs> Have you got a screenshot?
Aug 17 10:19:33 <PaulF> JameswStubbs: hm, let me see
Aug 17 10:20:28 <PaulF> JameswStubbs: only https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/status-with-hooker.png
Aug 17 10:20:49 <PaulF> (no blackjack integrated yet :( )
Aug 17 10:23:28 <JameswStubbs> What keyboard are you using there?
Aug 17 10:23:41 <PaulF> JameswStubbs: illume's
Aug 17 10:24:12 <JameswStubbs> Ok, looks slightly different to others I've seen in screenshots
Aug 17 10:24:38 <JameswStubbs> PaulF: Geek cred on that Ui for calls and messages :)
Aug 17 10:25:28 <JameswStubbs> PaulF: Is this community still quite active then?
Aug 17 10:25:43 <JameswStubbs> Or has it boiled down to die-hards?
Aug 17 10:25:51 <PaulF> JameswStubbs: i'm not sure
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