**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 22 02:59:57 2010
Sep 22 03:02:43 <pabs3> how do I get SHR-u to not suspend when the battery is full and USB power is available?
Sep 22 05:21:49 <slaxxer> /home/brian/Hackable1-Openmoko-Freerunner-user-2010.09a-rootfs.jffs2
Sep 22 05:27:07 <slaxxer> sweet
Sep 22 05:34:38 <rooly> do wha?
Sep 22 05:36:01 <slaxxer> launchers are friendly
Sep 22 05:36:33 <slaxxer> some stufff doesnt work
Sep 22 05:36:39 <rooly> some stuff like what
Sep 22 05:37:02 <slaxxer> well im booting 2nd time
Sep 22 05:37:08 <rooly> ahh, okay
Sep 22 05:37:26 <rooly> sms wasn't working last time i tried it
Sep 22 05:37:37 <rooly> it couldn't recieve new sms messages after the first boot
Sep 22 05:38:10 <slaxxer> u tried this image?
Sep 22 05:38:22 <rooly> no, i tried the build before that
Sep 22 05:38:40 <rooly> rev5 iirc
Sep 22 05:39:12 <slaxxer> saying sim check
Sep 22 05:39:58 <rooly> there was some kind of attempt to make the stack "FSO compliant"
Sep 22 05:40:11 <rooly> which was, is, and always will be a bad move in my opinion
Sep 22 05:40:23 <rooly> *ui stack
Sep 22 05:43:06 <slaxxer> phone not working   but looks good to me
Sep 22 05:43:25 <rooly> rev5 was great for most everything but i could not recieve sms
Sep 22 05:43:29 <rooly> that was a significant issue
Sep 22 05:44:09 <rooly> in other news, qtmoko has working integrated bluetooth headset support
Sep 22 05:45:08 <slaxxer> qtmoko sucks my battery
Sep 22 05:46:00 <slaxxer> next stop todays shr-u
Sep 22 05:47:35 <pabs3> battery suckage would be the newer kernel
Sep 22 05:49:01 <rooly> qtmoko has artificially low reception quality feedback
Sep 22 05:49:10 <rooly> ie, the bars not be tellin the truth, yarr
Sep 22 05:49:27 <slaxxer> i saw that
Sep 22 05:49:39 <rooly> it doesn't affect actual reception
Sep 22 05:50:33 <rooly> its just the method that nokia used was not typical of current practices
Sep 22 05:50:56 <slaxxer> whats up with the replacement motherboard anyways?
Sep 22 05:51:09 <rooly> i should probably ask you
Sep 22 05:51:23 <rooly> because i only know that one is under development
Sep 22 05:52:14 <slaxxer> is it the beagle board   or the core project?
Sep 22 05:52:40 <slaxxer> or have they merged
Sep 22 05:53:58 <pabs3> gta02-core list has no mails since July
Sep 22 05:56:18 * rooly has gotten tired of the constant 'putting up' with his fr
Sep 22 05:56:29 <rooly> getting me a captivate within the month
Sep 22 05:56:40 <rooly> i mean within 30 days of today, not 8
Sep 22 05:57:36 <slaxxer> u gonna hack it or just use it?
Sep 22 05:58:17 <rooly> well i'm definitely rooting it
Sep 22 05:58:21 <rooly> its just too damn easy
Sep 22 05:58:39 <rooly> you mount it and put a zip file on the memory then reboot into bootloader
Sep 22 05:58:44 <rooly> and its rooted
Sep 22 05:58:51 <rooly> then i'll get a tethering app if they have one
Sep 22 05:58:59 <rooly> other than that, just gonna let it be
Sep 22 05:59:17 <rooly> i like the ui that samsung has on it, much more than senseui that htc uses or vanilla android
Sep 22 05:59:21 <pabs3> install SHR on it!
Sep 22 05:59:29 <slaxxer> yikes
Sep 22 05:59:39 <pabs3> is it the openmoko hardware or software you dislike?
Sep 22 05:59:58 <slaxxer> well
Sep 22 06:00:23 <slaxxer> ill go with that
Sep 22 06:00:49 <slaxxer> switch the is it around
Sep 22 06:01:18 <pabs3> slaxxer: as in, you dislike both?
Sep 22 06:01:35 <slaxxer> we just need a replacement motherboard   thats all
Sep 22 06:04:22 <rooly> pabs3, its mostly the software
Sep 22 06:04:26 <rooly> i particularly don't like shr
Sep 22 06:04:42 <pabs3> there are lotsa replacements for that
Sep 22 06:05:27 <slaxxer> suggestions
Sep 22 06:05:45 <slaxxer> debian on sd with zhone?
Sep 22 06:05:47 <rooly> pabs3, what i want is the old om2007 interface with a corrective keyboard and bluetooth headset support
Sep 22 06:06:24 <rooly> that is the worst move openmoko has made out of all the bad moves they made
Sep 22 06:07:01 <rooly> leaving the mature gtk ui with good hardware and input support
Sep 22 06:07:47 <slaxxer> is that what qalee was/?
Sep 22 06:07:51 <pabs3> rooly: isn't Hackable1 the continuation of that?
Sep 22 06:08:05 <pabs3> I thought qalee was Qt based
Sep 22 06:08:09 <slaxxer> debian
Sep 22 06:08:39 <slaxxer> hackable is debian
Sep 22 06:09:10 <pabs3> sure, but the UI bits
Sep 22 06:09:15 <slaxxer> i juct know i cant download qalee anymore
Sep 22 06:09:24 <slaxxer> s
Sep 22 06:09:29 <rooly> pabs3, hackable is the 2nd attempt to continue om2007
Sep 22 06:09:35 <rooly> guess which was the first
Sep 22 06:09:54 <rooly> and hence, the main reason for my distaste
Sep 22 06:10:13 * pabs3 hasn't followed the myriad UIs, evironments and distros for the FR
Sep 22 06:10:26 <slaxxer> whatisit
Sep 22 06:10:30 <rooly> shr
Sep 22 06:10:41 <pabs3> SHR? nah it isn't based on GTK any more
Sep 22 06:10:50 <rooly> i know it isn't
Sep 22 06:11:16 <rooly> note, i said *was
Sep 22 06:13:12 <rooly> shr was originally inteded to be a hybrid of the gtk ui and apps on top of fso to take advantage of the mature stable ui of openembeded and the superior stable telephony and power management of fso
Sep 22 06:13:22 <rooly> stable hybrid release
Sep 22 06:14:08 <slaxxer> who changed that?
Sep 22 06:14:51 <rooly> it changed somewhere around the end of 08 when it was to daunting a task to maintain a separate distro and kernel from mainstream openmoko
Sep 22 06:14:59 <rooly> maybe early 09
Sep 22 06:15:01 <Heinervdm> shr was allways based on elementary, it's based on the elementary UI of OM
Sep 22 06:15:47 <rooly> nope
Sep 22 06:15:55 <Heinervdm> it's based on ASU
Sep 22 06:16:28 <rooly> At first, SHR was introduced in order to use the Om 2007.2 GTK software in combination with the new FSO, but things have changed
Sep 22 06:16:41 <rooly> from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR
Sep 22 06:17:00 <rooly> i was there when all this went down
Sep 22 06:17:13 <rooly> i've had my freerunner since july 7th 2007
Sep 22 06:24:06 <rooly> so anywho
Sep 22 06:24:08 <rooly> worst move
Sep 22 06:24:25 <rooly> worst possible move
Sep 22 06:24:33 <rooly> ever read the jokes page on the wiki?
Sep 22 06:25:27 <rooly> so slaxxer, any success in getting hackable to work?
Sep 22 06:25:42 * rooly might try this build
Sep 22 06:27:52 <slaxxer> naa i just installed shr
Sep 22 06:27:59 <rooly> ic
Sep 22 06:28:12 <rooly> i'll try out this build...maybe it'll work this time
Sep 22 13:08:37 * pabs3 wonders if there are any iPhone style UIs for SMS on OpenMoko
Sep 22 15:24:32 <toloco> I have a problem reading SMS, can any one help me?, I'm trying this: "mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrieveMessagebook all"  but it says: " ( [ ] )", I really know that It has SMS
Sep 22 18:11:27 <djp_> when it comes to updating shr-u, do i need to always download and flash both the latest image and kernel, or can i simply update the kernel (if necessary) and just run opkg upgrade instead of flashing the latest image?
Sep 22 18:17:44 <djp_> when i'm referring to "image" above ^^^, i mean the root filesystem by the way...
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