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Oct 10 07:59:59 <chomwitt> my new microSD card is mounted in shr-t as read only. /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/card type vfat (ro,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1) .why is that?
Oct 10 13:25:50 <bert31wvl> hi, quick question about reading SIM-card to find deleted messages
Oct 10 13:25:54 <bert31wvl> howot?
Oct 10 13:25:57 <bert31wvl> howto?
Oct 10 13:29:46 <PaulFertser> bert31wvl: why do you think it's possible in the first place?
Oct 10 13:31:14 <bert31wvl> I read in some forums that deleted messages remain on the card, just like if you delete files on a harddisk, only the reference is deleted, not the actual content
Oct 10 13:34:06 <bert31wvl> what would be the best phone (for business) to buy?
Oct 10 13:34:48 <max_posedon_> bert31wvl, are you sure, that this channel best place for asking?
Oct 10 13:34:53 <PaulFertser> bert31wvl: probably you can recover deleted messages with a dedicated smart-card reader and special software, but i do not know any details, sorry.
Oct 10 13:35:52 <bert31wvl> I would like a commercial phone wher I can install an opensource OS on, like openmoko
Oct 10 13:36:06 <PaulFertser> bert31wvl: yeah, this channel is the place where a bunch of geeks gather, and geeks usually have values not exactly compatible with those of businesses.
Oct 10 13:38:43 <bert31wvl> i'm a ubuntu user myself and experimenting, that 's why I'd like such a phone, but I would also use this phone for our business (so for starting I would use the installed OS)  BUT I would love to experiment with opensource on it
Oct 10 13:40:22 <SpeedEvil> I personally like my n900.
Oct 10 13:40:48 <SpeedEvil> It's probably the closest thing to an 'open-source' phone available on the market today.
Oct 10 13:40:58 <bert31wvl> I can do things like dualboot then?  or should I chose?
Oct 10 13:41:02 <SpeedEvil> yes
Oct 10 13:41:58 <SpeedEvil> there have been/are several OSs booted on the n900, with varying degrees of polish and success.
Oct 10 13:42:35 <SpeedEvil> From BSD, which is just at the kernel stage, to merego, which is the upcoming OS for smartphones and thingies being pushed by nokia and intel
Oct 10 13:42:36 <pabs3> can anything other than the stock Maemo OS charge the battery yet?
Oct 10 13:42:39 <SpeedEvil> yes
Oct 10 13:42:49 <SpeedEvil> battery charging is a several line shellscript
Oct 10 13:43:09 <SpeedEvil> There are people working onmaking it shiny
Oct 10 13:43:44 <pabs3> nice
Oct 10 13:43:44 <bert31wvl> nice, I'll check it out, I was surfing and found the google phone and the HTC (google) to be the most advanced...  correct?  and can they also dualboot with an oss OS?
Oct 10 13:44:08 <SpeedEvil> It depends what you mean.
Oct 10 13:44:44 <SpeedEvil> I personally don't count phones that you have to root as 'open-source'-able - even they run linux, and you can put whatever on them.
Oct 10 13:45:04 <SpeedEvil> As you have no guarantee that teh one you buy from the shop next week will not have better security.
Oct 10 13:48:05 <bert31wvl> thx speedevil
Oct 10 13:48:35 <SpeedEvil> However, various people have commented that the n900 isn't great as a phone.
Oct 10 13:48:53 <SpeedEvil> I am not in a very goid position to comment on this, as I have made about 5 calls with it.
Oct 10 13:49:13 <SpeedEvil> But I can see that per-contact ringtone for example might be annoying by being missed out.
Oct 10 13:50:35 <pabs3> that sounds like a software thing
Oct 10 13:50:49 <SpeedEvil> yes.
Oct 10 15:38:20 <slaxxer> so whats the status on gta04?
Oct 10 15:56:13 <SpeedEvil> It's pining for the fjoords.
Oct 10 15:57:29 <SpeedEvil> Basically, someone needs to stump up a large pile of cash.
Oct 10 15:57:33 <SpeedEvil> Or it's not happening.
Oct 10 15:57:49 <SpeedEvil> Where large is a large part of a million dollars.
Oct 10 16:14:27 <badcloud> SpeedEvil: hahahaha (M. Python reference)
Oct 10 16:14:47 <mickeyl> it's actually happening, but not from OM
Oct 10 16:15:02 <badcloud> mickeyl: cool
Oct 10 16:15:24 <badcloud> is an physical kbd part of the plan?
Oct 10 16:15:25 <mickeyl> Dr. Niklaus Schaller from Goldelico (OM distributor germany) is spending quite some amount of energy in future open phones
Oct 10 16:15:51 <badcloud> mickeyl: niHIce
Oct 10 16:16:55 <SpeedEvil> Interesting.
Oct 10 16:16:59 <badcloud> :( no phys kbd? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03
Oct 10 16:17:01 <mickeyl> afaik not for 04, but for 05. there are various designs in discussion with various freaky components (rfid, fpga, and stuff)
Oct 10 16:17:23 <mickeyl> what will see the light of day depends on who's ordering a bunch
Oct 10 16:17:29 <SpeedEvil> However, I would guess this would not be a consumer phone, at a consumer price-point?
Oct 10 16:17:59 <SpeedEvil> Well - barring the above large fractions of a million. 
Oct 10 16:19:22 <mickeyl> well, afaiu the idea is to get a sufficiently big order for a client so that the device can see the light of day at all. and once that happens, small series might be produced based on preorder
Oct 10 16:19:29 <badcloud> what would fpga be used for?
Oct 10 16:19:46 <mickeyl> there are some scientific researchers demanding an FPGA
Oct 10 16:19:51 <mickeyl> don't ask me for details
Oct 10 16:19:54 <SpeedEvil> ...
Oct 10 16:19:58 <badcloud> mickeyl: k
Oct 10 16:19:59 <SpeedEvil> SDR?
Oct 10 16:19:59 <mickeyl> full of crazy ideas, those folks
Oct 10 16:20:06 <SpeedEvil> - FPGA
Oct 10 16:20:09 <badcloud> I love the idea of rfid
Oct 10 16:40:31 <PBeck> hi
Oct 11 02:10:11 <ftn> Hey there. I was wondering what is the most stable shr version available since latest shr-t won't receive sms and latest shr-u won't even boot illume. Can you help me with this, please?
Oct 11 02:35:30 <Infoport> #whispersystems
Oct 11 02:48:06 <Infoport> if a crack happens in the screen of the FR, what else can you do with it? (other than cry)
Oct 11 02:49:38 <slaxxer> buy one from ebay
Oct 11 02:49:56 <Infoport> is it prohibitive to swap the screen?
Oct 11 02:50:04 <slaxxer> i did it
Oct 11 02:50:32 <slaxxer> mic was bad on the one i got
Oct 11 02:50:58 <slaxxer> i need a gps module:)
Oct 11 02:52:16 <slaxxer> http://cgi.ebay.com/openmoko-neo-freerunner-neo-1973-lcd-touch-scree-/280571666402
Oct 11 02:52:31 <Infoport> at first mine was fine, then needed a GPS antenna to get signal, very quiet, and I found out about OM's fix program a day or so after it ended (they said so sad, too late, and nobody in US fixes them)
Oct 11 02:53:21 <Infoport> but I was using it until the screen cracked, against a tube of Chapstick for god's sake!
Oct 11 02:53:33 <slaxxer> i didnt even hear about that program
Oct 11 02:54:28 <slaxxer> whats up with the beagle board replacement   anyways?
Oct 11 02:54:45 <Infoport> There was something in the Community Updates, but they didn't send out an email to owners or anything. I read a post there too late.
Oct 11 02:55:28 <Infoport> they were fixing for free a few of the publically doc'ed fixes (GPS, Buzz fix, something)
Oct 11 02:55:46 <slaxxer> that link says   for 30 bucks  a screen
Oct 11 02:59:05 <Infoport> thanks! hmm, maybe I get to get the tiny drivers out again!
Oct 11 02:59:55 <Infoport> what beagle board replacement?
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