**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 02 02:59:57 2010
Nov 02 06:52:08 <zipp> hello
Nov 02 06:56:46 <zipp> can I ask smth? xd
Nov 02 07:13:09 <lindi-> zipp: better just ask
Nov 02 07:13:40 <zipp> lindi-, I want to connect my openmoko to network but I use ppp0 net interface what I should to do
Nov 02 07:13:58 <lindi-> zipp: what network?
Nov 02 07:14:40 <zipp> ppp0      Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol  
Nov 02 07:14:47 <zipp> on my sim card
Nov 02 07:14:55 <lindi-> zipp: so GPRS?
Nov 02 07:15:01 <zipp> HSDPA
Nov 02 07:15:10 <zipp> inet addr:77.114.191.62
Nov 02 07:16:26 <zipp> and fr shows like eth2
Nov 02 07:16:26 <zipp> :D 
Nov 02 07:16:40 <lindi-> zipp: i think openmoko only does gprs, not hsdpa
Nov 02 07:16:50 <zipp> mm
Nov 02 07:16:56 <zipp> but I want connect it via pc
Nov 02 07:17:07 <lindi-> zipp: what distro are you running on your openmoko?
Nov 02 07:17:14 <zipp> SHR
Nov 02 07:17:30 <playya> it seems he is missing the NAT settings on the pc
Nov 02 07:17:41 <lindi-> playya: I think he wants the reverse
Nov 02 07:17:52 <playya> eh. yes
Nov 02 07:17:55 <zipp> lindi-, can y tell how to connect it
Nov 02 07:17:58 <playya> routes on the PC
Nov 02 07:18:15 <playya> zipp, i should be possible with fsonetworkd
Nov 02 07:18:21 <zipp> sudo ip address add 77.114.191.62/24 dev eth2
Nov 02 07:18:31 <lindi-> zipp: that doesn't sound right
Nov 02 07:18:32 <playya> no
Nov 02 07:18:48 <lindi-> zipp: what ip address are you using with eth2?
Nov 02 07:19:34 <zipp> eth2 it is my FR not using ip
Nov 02 07:20:29 <lindi-> zipp: ok well first make sure you can connect from pc to openmoko
Nov 02 07:20:45 <playya> StartConnectionSharingWithInterface should set up everthing what is necessary
Nov 02 07:22:27 <zipp> ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: Connection timed out
Nov 02 07:22:32 <zipp> it have no ip
Nov 02 07:24:38 <zipp> http://paste.org/pastebin/view/24331
Nov 02 07:24:42 <zipp> see my ifconfig
Nov 02 07:26:47 <zipp> ahh I already see it
Nov 02 07:26:50 <zipp> it is ubuntu bug
Nov 02 07:37:45 <kozio> omg
Nov 02 07:39:13 <kozio> who can help me with usb networking
Nov 02 07:43:05 <zipp> already connected to my fr :P
Nov 02 08:07:24 * zipp done : D
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Nov 02 10:31:24 <Kamping_Kaiser> hm, red's back
Nov 02 10:40:07 <PaulFertser> Kamping_Kaiser: i'm unable to do anything short of banning the whole isp.
Nov 02 10:40:28 <PaulFertser> Kamping_Kaiser: he's back almost every day, leaves one spam message and parts.
Nov 02 10:41:07 <PaulFertser> Kamping_Kaiser: dynamic ip :| And his isp tells me bullshit like "specify an exact date" or "provide firewall logs" despite i'm providing them with all  the relevant information.
Nov 02 10:41:29 <PaulFertser> Kamping_Kaiser: i considered trying to complain to their upstream but so far had no time/motivation to do that.
Nov 02 10:41:39 <PaulFertser> Kamping_Kaiser: feel free to try it yourself.
Nov 02 10:45:45 <Kamping_Kaiser> PaulFertser: ok, i guess the dynamic ip makes life a bit tricky
Nov 02 12:01:51 <Daramarak> I flashed my phone with SHR: uImage-2.6.34.7-oe9+gitr9+e4182f3551f1b8e8f8bd07a2d68e49a0ec4cd04a-r0-om-gta02.bin and lite-om-gta02.jffs2 from 01-Nov And now shr-settings segfaults, calc segfaults but ffalarms and terminal works. Does it ring any bells? I do not know where to start looking. Dmesg shows nothing except a couple of alignment traps in enlightenment, and many stylus_irq messages.
Nov 02 12:08:38 <tomcatek> Daramarak: tried to run shr-setting from terminal?
Nov 02 12:08:43 <tomcatek> see errors
Nov 02 12:09:05 <Daramarak> tomcatek: That was when I got the segfault
Nov 02 12:14:01 <Daramarak> I guess I need debugsymbols and gdb to get more information about the segfault.
Nov 02 12:20:55 <Daramarak> something must have gone seriously wrong, gdb and python is also segfaulting. Strange thing is that I flashed twice, got same error both times.
Nov 02 12:26:06 <jluis> Daramarak: X11 keeps runing?
Nov 02 12:26:57 <Daramarak> jluis: yes
Nov 02 12:27:06 <kdlijian> Hi all
Nov 02 12:27:32 <kdlijian> Do developer still support Neo1973? I have one.
Nov 02 12:29:37 <Daramarak> Enlightenment seems to run fine. I can most panels, although the shr-elm-softkeys must be restarted when I reboot.
Nov 02 12:29:59 <JaMa> kdlijian: no, we don't have any to test
Nov 02 12:30:07 <Daramarak> s/I can most panels/I can use most illume panels
Nov 02 12:30:26 <JaMa> kdlijian: someone has to port 3 kernel patches to have 2.6.34 on gta01 and then working shr-u images..
Nov 02 12:30:51 <kdlijian> JaMa: Thanks. All developers now work on gta02?
Nov 02 12:31:08 <JaMa> yes and n900
Nov 02 12:31:42 <JaMa> I've asked about 5 gta01 owners to port those few patches.. but nobody ever returned with patches :/
Nov 02 12:32:59 <kdlijian> I am not a developer, but I do have a gta01. I have been off the community for a long time. So I am some confused why don't you guys turn to Android or meego?
Nov 02 12:33:12 <PaulFertser> JaMa: hm, are patches rather complex?
Nov 02 12:33:20 <JaMa> PaulFertser: rather simple
Nov 02 12:33:31 <lindi-> kdlijian: android does not fix #2324
Nov 02 12:33:44 <JaMa> http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/gta01-machine-2.6.31
Nov 02 12:33:51 <PaulFertser> JaMa: i might do it on weekend then if needed.
Nov 02 12:33:56 <kdlijian> lindi-: Ok, I will check #2324 now.
Nov 02 12:33:58 <PaulFertser> Though i'm still unhappy with FSO :|
Nov 02 12:35:05 <JaMa> PaulFertser: please do if you find some time.. at least we should ship something which is possible to work (I know that current shr-u image with 2.6.29-rc3 doesn't work on gta01)
Nov 02 12:35:38 <PaulFertser> JaMa: are you available on weekend to discuss details? Or probably on friday?
Nov 02 12:36:13 <lindi-> Daramarak: and meego isn't targeting armv4 at all hmm?
Nov 02 12:36:15 <JaMa> don't know yet :/
Nov 02 12:37:27 <Daramarak> lindi-: Are you talking to me
Nov 02 12:37:40 <lindi-> ah sorry kdlijian
Nov 02 12:39:44 <jluis> Daramarak: I've just upgraded (runing on sd ) and I cannot reproduce the segfaults I will try it from nand   
Nov 02 12:40:01 <JaMa> PaulFertser: but if you send me patch adding gta01 machine definition and defconfig similar to http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/linux/linux-openmoko-2.6.34/om-gta02/defconfig which you can boot gta01 with, I'll be really happy to add those to OE and switch default kernel on gta01 for next images
Nov 02 12:40:19 <PaulFertser> JaMa: ok, i'll try
Nov 02 12:40:22 <PaulFertser> JaMa: no promises.
Nov 02 12:40:39 <JaMa> thanks
Nov 02 12:41:02 <Daramarak> jluis: I am running from NAND. I must have been doing something wrong, for such a grave error would have generated more noise from other users.
Nov 02 12:42:38 <JaMa> Daramarak: did you flash it with dfu-util?
Nov 02 12:42:58 <Daramarak> JaMa: NeoTool
Nov 02 12:43:02 <JaMa> Daramarak: few users already reported really strange problems after flashing with dfu-util
Nov 02 12:43:16 <JaMa> Daramarak: nandwrite from booted uSD worked OK in all cases
Nov 02 12:43:27 <Daramarak> JaMa: NeoTools uses dfu doesnt it
Nov 02 12:43:48 <JaMa> probably, I've never used neotool
Nov 02 12:44:07 <jluis> yes NeoTool  uses dfu-util
Nov 02 12:45:59 <Daramarak> so how should I flash it?
Nov 02 12:57:11 <Daramarak> I guess i'll have to find a card reader and do my first nandwrite then. 
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Nov 02 15:45:44 <PaulFertser> Dynamic ip, can't be really banned :|
Nov 02 15:49:12 <Heinervdm> PaulFertser: was there any user from this provider in the last time in this channel?
Nov 02 15:49:51 <PaulFertser> Heinervdm: no idea, but banning the whole isp is uncool.
Nov 02 15:50:20 <PaulFertser> Heinervdm: and unfair. The users can't always push their ISP to do the right thing.
Nov 02 15:50:48 <Heinervdm> PaulFertser: ok, thats right
Nov 02 15:51:37 <gena2x> only way is to send letter to ISP...
Nov 02 15:52:08 <Heinervdm> that pc has something running on port 80 which is not a webserver...
Nov 02 15:52:55 <gena2x> but in the end it is also possible that someone got his pc hacked, and it's anyway impossible to find responsible person
Nov 02 15:53:45 <PaulFertser> gena2x: i did
Nov 02 15:54:13 <PaulFertser> gena2x: they responded first time with "you must provide date time timezon of accident" (though i did)
Nov 02 15:54:21 <PaulFertser> Second time they asked me for the firewall logs.
Nov 02 15:54:26 <gena2x> hehe
Nov 02 15:54:30 <PaulFertser> Third time about the timestamps again!
Nov 02 15:54:57 <gena2x> hmmm. sounds like this ISP worth banning...
Nov 02 15:58:21 <Heinervdm> there is someone from this isp...
Nov 02 15:58:38 <gena2x> but really, they probably just need proved reason to take action
Nov 02 15:59:44 <PaulFertser> jlmoko: ping
Nov 02 16:00:34 <PaulFertser> jlmoko: we need your assistance
Nov 02 16:00:46 <PaulFertser> jlmoko: or else your whole isp might get banned on this channel.
Nov 02 17:14:07 <PaulFertser> jlmoko: ping
Nov 02 17:37:36 <PBeck> hi
Nov 02 17:50:47 <jlmoko> PaulFertser, pong
Nov 02 18:08:18 <PaulFertser> jlmoko: hey
Nov 02 18:08:22 <PaulFertser> jlmoko: i need your help
Nov 02 18:08:41 <PaulFertser> jlmoko: you're in danger of being banned from #openmoko because your ISP sucks too much. :(
Nov 02 18:09:07 <PaulFertser> jlmoko: i contacted them several times wrt spam abuse by one of their users but they send me meaningless automated replies back.
Nov 02 18:09:18 <PaulFertser> jlmoko: can you call them by voice and negotiate?
Nov 02 18:09:37 <PaulFertser> jlmoko: the request number is nemesys#N10-3095978
Nov 02 18:10:15 <jlmoko> > I know this isp sucks is telefonica :/. What can I do for you & myself?
Nov 02 18:10:53 <PaulFertser> jlmoko: can you please call them and try to push hard to get a meaningful answer to nemesys#N10-3095978 ?
Nov 02 18:11:05 <PaulFertser> jlmoko: i can forward you all the exchange i had with them so far.
Nov 02 18:11:21 <PaulFertser> jlmoko: the problem is that everyday someone comes again from them and writes spam here.
Nov 02 18:11:31 <PaulFertser> jlmoko: last time it was 30.Red-88-17-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net
Nov 02 18:12:52 <PaulFertser> jlmoko: please /privmsg me your e-mail so i can forward the relevant data
Nov 02 18:13:18 <PaulFertser> jlmoko: in fact the latest letter from them was nemesys#N10-3096910
Nov 02 18:13:27 <jlmoko> I am perezdiez at gmail.com
Nov 02 18:15:26 <PaulFertser> jlmoko: sent (3 my mails and their meaningless replies to those)
Nov 02 18:15:31 <PaulFertser> jlmoko: thanks in advance!
Nov 02 18:15:32 <PaulFertser> :)
Nov 02 18:17:52 <jlmoko> I hope we can get rid of them 
Nov 02 18:18:53 <jlmoko> if you wish you can ban me too I know other ways to be here
Nov 02 18:27:19 <PaulFertser> jlmoko: i personally would never ban an ip region unless something really bad happens.
Nov 02 18:27:52 <PaulFertser> jlmoko: i'm banned myself from mplayer/ffmpeg servers because some asshole from my isp did something bad to them and they never send abuse reports to russian isps, banning the whole range instead.
Nov 02 18:33:25 <jlmoko> here I'm banned from my main mail account on a 'community' server so I know the feeling
Nov 02 18:35:03 <PaulFertser> jlmoko: i think we can try to leverage the ban, do you know what actually happened, i can contact ML admin.
Nov 02 18:40:12 <jlmoko> PaulFertser, thanks I know them and I need to check my mail I've a public library 100m from my house with free wiffy
Nov 02 18:40:35 <jlmoko> ~s/wiffy/wifi/
Nov 02 18:40:45 <PaulFertser> jlmoko: and feel free to contact me if you have any problems wrt #openmoko* irc.
Nov 02 18:40:59 <PaulFertser> jlmoko: please keep me updated about your negotiations with isp.
Nov 02 18:41:02 <PaulFertser> :)
Nov 02 18:59:46 <jlmoko> PaulFertser, As son as I've any news I will at least email :)
Nov 02 19:00:11 <PaulFertser> jlmoko: deal :)
Nov 02 22:25:51 <undrwater> is there anyone doing fso/meego work?
Nov 02 22:35:49 <undrwater> just saw that "sonkei linux distribution"
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