**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 04 02:59:57 2010 Nov 04 17:50:12 Folks: I just powered up my shiny new Neo FreeRunner, but I can't make a call. It says "Registering...". Nov 04 17:50:22 The gsm antenna symbol shows 5 bars and power on. Nov 04 17:50:34 Where do I start on diagnosing what is going on? Nov 04 17:54:49 zooko: which distribution do you use? Nov 04 17:57:40 zooko: if it's brand new you should check the GSM firmware version, and upgrade if it's not the latest http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing Nov 04 17:57:43 Whatever it came with. Nov 04 17:57:47 Heinervdm: okay, thanks. Nov 04 17:58:05 zooko: then it's probably OM 2008.9 Nov 04 17:58:14 that's really old Nov 04 17:58:22 Would you expect it to fail to Register with the GSM provider? Nov 04 17:59:03 Because at this point (about to travel -- need a phone) I don't want to upgrade for the sake of upgrading, but only if I have some specific reason to think it will change this particular behavior... Nov 04 17:59:11 back in a bit! Nov 04 18:02:08 Don't know, but perhaps someone else has an idea Nov 04 18:14:37 Would it be an appropriate question for a mailing list? Nov 04 19:38:30 zooko: you should update your 2008.9 to make usable phone. try latest shr or qtmoko v28 Nov 04 19:39:18 zooko: modern distros work more than twice as fast and much more stable Nov 04 19:45:16 gena2x: so you think there is a good chance that the failure to register with the GSM provider is due to a bug in the distro ? Nov 04 19:45:48 I just would like to find some way to get real diagnosis, or testing, or find someone else's confirmed sighting of the same bug, rather than just use the "upgrade to the shiniest newest thing cause it is better" approach. ;-) Nov 04 19:45:52 For once in my life. Nov 04 19:46:32 Do you think there's something I could do to work-around this issue without upgrading, like maybe remove the battery, or reboot, or issue some command on the terminal ... Nov 04 19:46:49 zooko: really should not be related distro, but really, upgrade. to understand your issue you should just attempt to register manually Nov 04 19:46:59 Say... how hard is it to ssh into my FreeRunner? Nov 04 19:47:05 So I can use a real keyboard to type into it? :-) Nov 04 19:47:10 * zooko turns on the wifi... Nov 04 19:47:25 How do I attempt to register manually? Nov 04 19:47:34 I really do intend to upgrade, but I would like to learn more about my issue first... Nov 04 19:47:40 zooko: but gsm firmware upgrade is _specifically_ to fix such issues! Nov 04 19:49:02 zooko: it's not wise to learn issue which may be already fixed and forgotten Nov 04 19:49:06 Okay then! :-) Nov 04 19:49:15 Is there a changelog of the gsm firmware upgrade? Nov 04 19:49:23 * zooko looks for that page about how to detect the current version of the firmware... Nov 04 19:49:51 so, first upgrade your distro and gsm firmware, then fix issues. 2008.9 is really old. Nov 04 19:50:10 zooko: can't really recall, i did it more than a year ago Nov 04 19:50:17 Is there a doc which will teach me how to manually register? Nov 04 19:50:49 you should open gsm serial port and just issue few commands Nov 04 19:51:46 need just to find some logs of working gsm... Nov 04 19:52:01 i had gprs sequence somewhere... Nov 04 19:53:53 I guess I better get sshd working first because I don't think I can type very many commands on this tiny keyboard... Nov 04 19:54:11 upgrade! . Nov 04 19:56:55 you will get comlete different phone after upgrade Nov 04 19:57:51 use your will to fix real problems Nov 04 20:05:27 gena2x: ;-) Nov 04 20:05:30 You make a good case. Nov 04 20:05:37 But to what distro should I upgrade? Nov 04 20:06:48 zooko: i am using qtmoko. Nov 04 20:07:21 I like qt. Nov 04 20:07:42 zooko: get v28. Nov 04 20:08:04 zooko: do not forget to upgrade gsm firmware Nov 04 20:08:07 too Nov 04 20:09:30 Before or after upgrading distro? Nov 04 20:12:03 no matter Nov 04 20:30:50 Wow http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing is confusing. Nov 04 20:31:08 So "MOKO11" is the name+version number of the firmware? Nov 04 20:31:18 And GTA02 is the version of hardware that I have (I think). Nov 04 20:31:54 Hm, I think I have a µSD card that came in my FreeRunner. Nov 04 20:31:58 Should I use that one or do I need to buy a new one? Nov 04 20:32:09 I wonder if I can successfully write the image to my µSD using my Macintosh. Nov 04 20:36:43 zooko: [flashing] -> just use 'manual update' Nov 04 20:36:59 * zooko looks on the page for "manual update". Nov 04 20:39:42 zooko: i used that method i think, so can't say about usd card. Nov 04 20:40:00 gena2x: thanks! Nov 04 20:40:32 Does the distro that came with my FreeRunner allow me to ssh into the device? Nov 04 20:40:41 zooko: what distro was it? Nov 04 20:40:49 Not sure. Nov 04 20:40:51 zooko: really, really forget about that distro Nov 04 20:41:00 * zooko laughs Nov 04 20:41:08 I dare not speak its name in front of gena2x. Nov 04 20:41:22 you told 2008.9 Nov 04 20:41:36 oh, Nov 04 20:41:48 you can't install any ipks to 2008.9 i think. Nov 04 20:41:53 i think Nov 04 20:42:02 hm. so you have to got usd way Nov 04 20:42:41 s/got/go/ Nov 04 20:42:41 gena2x meant: hm. so you have to go usd way Nov 04 21:03:18 Thanks gena2x. Nov 04 21:04:08 zooko: np, looking forward for fixes from you in qtmoko :) Nov 04 21:04:55 :- Nov 04 21:04:56 ) Nov 04 21:05:46 My next step is to decide if I need to acquire a new μSD card or if I can use the one that came with my phone... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Nov 05 02:59:58 2010