**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 06 02:59:57 2010
Nov 06 12:14:33 <leinir> Is there anybody here with rights on bugzilla to stop the bloody spammer making the rounds on there at the moment?
Nov 06 12:14:42 <leinir> sorry, trac
Nov 06 12:16:13 <badcloud> leinir: wish I did, that shit is annoying
Nov 06 12:16:45 <leinir> very
Nov 06 12:17:19 <Wonka> #openmoko-cdevel is already discussing who to wake
Nov 06 12:17:22 <badcloud> which distro's trac are we talking about
Nov 06 12:17:24 <leinir> right, thanks :)
Nov 06 12:17:26 <badcloud> shr?
Nov 06 12:17:29 <badcloud> oh, nm then
Nov 06 12:21:05 <badcloud> so, is http://www.aavamobile.com/ the unofficial heir of openmoko?
Nov 06 12:28:58 <mickeyl> hardly
Nov 06 12:29:19 <mickeyl> everyone who puts "first open mobile" on their website in 2010 immediately loses credibilitiy
Nov 06 12:29:28 <mickeyl> 2nd, it's vapourware
Nov 06 12:29:39 <mickeyl> look they even postponed sdk to q1/2011
Nov 06 12:29:41 <mickeyl> let alone hardware
Nov 06 12:29:49 <mickeyl> 3rd, it's an atom
Nov 06 12:29:51 <mickeyl> *cough*
Nov 06 12:30:06 <mickeyl> 4th, no UMTS
Nov 06 12:32:05 <badcloud> mickeyl: very true. my eyebrow almost left my forehead when I saw "1st open mobile"
Nov 06 12:32:35 <badcloud> what's an atom (he asked curiously)?
Nov 06 12:32:57 <gena2x> badcloud: intel's mobile chip.
Nov 06 12:32:58 <mickeyl> atom? wannabe-embedded SoC
Nov 06 12:33:05 <badcloud> ah
Nov 06 12:33:31 <badcloud> but x86, that's gotta pack a huge punch
Nov 06 12:35:26 <badcloud> even though the device looks heavier than a cinder block
Nov 06 12:37:01 <mickeyl> fun thing is...
Nov 06 12:37:17 <mickeyl> intel approach OM years ago to do an atom-based phone
Nov 06 12:37:25 <mickeyl> but they never got there act together with the CPU
Nov 06 12:37:31 <mickeyl> so the project didn't happen
Nov 06 12:37:36 <badcloud> shame
Nov 06 12:37:46 <mickeyl> yeah
Nov 06 12:38:00 <SpeedEvil> StrongARM!
Nov 06 12:38:06 <SpeedEvil> (though they sold that)
Nov 06 12:38:17 <mickeyl> heh
Nov 06 12:38:19 <mickeyl> you see a pattern
Nov 06 12:38:24 <mickeyl> intel aquires arm technology
Nov 06 12:38:28 <mickeyl> sells it for a fortune
Nov 06 12:38:35 <mickeyl> then comes out with something "new"
Nov 06 12:38:37 <mickeyl> tadaaa
Nov 06 12:38:43 <badcloud> haha
Nov 06 12:39:11 <badcloud> nothing honest/decent left in the marketing biz
Nov 06 12:39:33 <badcloud> "let's make a good, affordable product"
Nov 06 12:40:02 <badcloud> feels like a thing of the past (but I might be overly pessimistic)
Nov 06 12:40:36 <mickeyl> nah, i think that hits it
Nov 06 12:40:56 <mickeyl> if only google would have put more pressure on hardware manufacturers
Nov 06 12:41:01 <mickeyl> then we had a plethora of open devices now
Nov 06 12:41:01 <badcloud> iphone's heating up/exploding, shit cameras on phones
Nov 06 12:41:02 <mickeyl> it's a shame
Nov 06 12:41:32 <badcloud> s/iphone's/iphones
Nov 06 12:41:54 <mickeyl> well
Nov 06 12:41:57 <mickeyl> can't complain much about the iphone
Nov 06 12:42:10 <badcloud> I thought android's debut would raise the bar as far as hw
Nov 06 12:42:10 <mickeyl> now that i'm making a living from it ...
Nov 06 12:42:23 <badcloud> heh, right, I can dig it
Nov 06 12:42:23 <mickeyl> yep
Nov 06 12:42:34 <mickeyl> nexusone is a joke
Nov 06 12:42:38 <mickeyl> our "superphone"
Nov 06 12:42:39 * mickeyl chuckles
Nov 06 12:43:00 <mickeyl> the newer HTCs are quite decent
Nov 06 12:43:02 <mickeyl> at least those with real buttons
Nov 06 12:43:57 <SpeedEvil> I hope there is a nice open phone in a year or three when I'm looking for one.
Nov 06 12:44:34 <mickeyl> yeah
Nov 06 12:44:39 <mickeyl> lets see whether nokia survives
Nov 06 12:44:46 * badcloud seconds that
Nov 06 12:44:57 <badcloud> seems like they're in a slump right now
Nov 06 12:45:01 <mickeyl> yep
Nov 06 12:45:08 <SpeedEvil> Well - for modest values of open
Nov 06 12:45:09 <mickeyl> nokia and HP are the two bets now
Nov 06 12:45:15 <mickeyl> SpeedEvil: oh so true
Nov 06 12:45:22 <badcloud> SpeedEvil: agree
Nov 06 12:45:34 <badcloud> as far as sw
Nov 06 12:46:05 <badcloud> has HP dipped into the android market yet?
Nov 06 12:47:29 <mickeyl> well, they're working on the next wave of WebOS devices
Nov 06 12:47:53 <mickeyl> and in contrast to other manufacturers they do try to focus a bit more
Nov 06 12:51:01 <SpeedEvil> My kindle is interesting.
Nov 06 12:51:10 <SpeedEvil> I do wish it was more open though.
Nov 06 12:51:17 <SpeedEvil> Another case of hardware limited by software.
Nov 06 12:51:38 <badcloud> hmmm, gui looks decent
Nov 06 12:51:38 <badcloud> what kind of software packaging system will they have (if at all)?
Nov 06 12:51:59 <SpeedEvil> you mean kindle?
Nov 06 12:52:07 <badcloud> no, webos
Nov 06 12:52:08 <SpeedEvil> There is no software other than builtin.
Nov 06 12:52:09 <SpeedEvil> ah
Nov 06 12:52:15 <mickeyl> webos has ipkg
Nov 06 12:52:20 <mickeyl> as it's built on 
Nov 06 12:52:23 <mickeyl> *drumroll*
Nov 06 12:52:24 <mickeyl> OpenEmbedded
Nov 06 12:52:28 <mickeyl> :D
Nov 06 12:52:52 <badcloud> meh
Nov 06 12:53:11 <mickeyl> now the sad part is they didn't release their recipes :(
Nov 06 12:53:21 <mickeyl> so have fun recreating everything they did from scratch
Nov 06 12:53:37 <mickeyl> NOTE: no idea whether HP changes that. Palm at least did like i said
Nov 06 12:53:43 <gena2x> badcloud: 'shit cameras' -> heh, main property of camera is good lens (together with sensor size). i think it's impossible to place lightweight, small and cheap lens.
Nov 06 12:54:43 <badcloud> gena2x: right. I never was really convinced with cellphones trying to mate with cameras
Nov 06 12:54:55 <badcloud> still doesn't feel right
Nov 06 12:55:07 <badcloud> still one link in the evolutionary chain missing
Nov 06 12:55:20 <SpeedEvil> gena2x: My n900 has a decent camera. But the lens limits the sensor to 2.5MP or so
Nov 06 12:55:29 <SpeedEvil> Simply due to its diameter
Nov 06 12:56:14 <SpeedEvil> http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4687082204/
Nov 06 12:56:16 <badcloud> the day digital cams get super small is the day they'll start designing better cell phone cams
Nov 06 12:56:37 <SpeedEvil> Designing is not especially hard.
Nov 06 12:57:04 <badcloud> SpeedEvil: nice photo. great detail, but it's not vivid
Nov 06 12:57:30 <badcloud> feels a bit lifeless (and I'm sure it's not your photography skills that are at fault)
Nov 06 12:57:58 <SpeedEvil> It was an off-hand snap.
Nov 06 12:58:06 <SpeedEvil> I'm quite suprised it came out that well
Nov 06 12:58:07 <badcloud> ah
Nov 06 12:58:15 <SpeedEvil> The exposure is screwed
Nov 06 12:58:29 <SpeedEvil> and I think there may be some wierd not enough IR filter going on there too
Nov 06 12:59:00 <SpeedEvil> With the tech in the n900 camera, it would be fairly simple to make a ~20MP camera in a 15mm cube.
Nov 06 12:59:15 <SpeedEvil> It would probably only be 15 'real' megapixels.
Nov 06 12:59:32 <gena2x> SpeedEvil: nice photo. i see almost no noise even in shadows.
Nov 06 13:00:01 <mickeyl> i'm fairly satisfied with the iphone4 cam, if you have enough light, it's ok
Nov 06 13:00:06 <SpeedEvil> But a 15mm cube, and the extra $40 or so it would cost in volume, and the volume and integration constraints...
Nov 06 13:00:09 <mickeyl> naturally i don't use it for real photos
Nov 06 13:01:26 <SpeedEvil> On the open-source thing - there is a camera program for the n900 that actually gives OK fairly low light pictures, with real exposiures up to a second.
Nov 06 13:01:27 <gena2x> badcloud: vivid/not vivid -> this is job of photoshop, the colors seem fine
Nov 06 13:01:48 <SpeedEvil> yeah - it might be white balance too - I haven't really looked at it.
Nov 06 13:02:15 <gena2x> badcloud: anyway sensor never 'shots' phone in the way eye see it
Nov 06 13:02:34 <gena2x> s/phone/image/
Nov 06 13:02:34 <apt> gena2x meant: badcloud: anyway sensor never 'shots' image in the way eye see it
Nov 06 13:03:05 <gena2x> SpeedEvil: _second_???
Nov 06 13:03:15 <SpeedEvil> gena2x: yes
Nov 06 13:03:54 <gena2x> SpeedEvil: second from hands? i bet it has no 'hardware' compensation. so it is pure software deal. interesting.
Nov 06 13:03:55 <SpeedEvil> gena2x: It's nothing compared to proper cameras, I agree.
Nov 06 13:04:09 <SpeedEvil> no - you have to actually hold it still by some means.
Nov 06 13:06:15 <gena2x> ah, if it is just laid down, where is no diff 1/100 or 1 second or 30.
Nov 06 13:06:33 <gena2x> expect that object must be more static
Nov 06 13:07:32 <gena2x> i had big problems with finding even much bigger in size usb camera
Nov 06 13:07:51 <gena2x> spent much time and not really happy result.
Nov 06 13:07:56 <gena2x> *with
Nov 06 13:08:07 <SpeedEvil> much bigger size?
Nov 06 13:08:22 <SpeedEvil> yeah - there are no really good webcams that are not insanely priced.
Nov 06 13:08:50 <SpeedEvil> And most basic entry-level cameras that are oodles better than webcams can't be controlled over USB
Nov 06 13:08:52 <gena2x> i mean that it is easy to put bigger lens and sensor to usb cameras (in comparison to handheld devices).
Nov 06 13:09:46 <SpeedEvil> Well - no.
Nov 06 13:09:51 <SpeedEvil> The problem is the sensor size.
Nov 06 13:10:25 <SpeedEvil> If you have a 2mm sensor, you're not putting a 28mm focal length lens from a 'proper' camera on it without getting utterly insane zoom.
Nov 06 13:11:31 <gena2x> i mean obvious things - where is no such strong limit imposed by frame in usb cams, as it is in handhelds.
Nov 06 13:11:52 <SpeedEvil> Sorry - not following what you're trying to say.
Nov 06 14:20:46 <CVirus> I got an android phone :-(
Nov 06 14:21:30 <badcloud> CVirus: and you're not happy with it?
Nov 06 14:21:42 <CVirus> badcloud: I'm utterly happy with it
Nov 06 14:21:48 <CVirus> but I wish OpenMoko was alive
Nov 06 14:22:13 <lindi-> CVirus: how is it dead?
Nov 06 14:22:49 <badcloud> lindi-: took the words out of my mouth
Nov 06 14:23:06 <CVirus> I haven't been following much lately
Nov 06 14:23:16 <CVirus> but I remember there were no future hardware versions of the device
Nov 06 14:23:28 <CVirus> it is a completely community project now .. right ?
Nov 06 14:23:43 <lindi-> CVirus: what is exactly?
Nov 06 14:23:48 <CVirus> the freerunner
Nov 06 14:24:37 <lindi-> CVirus: I think you can still buy one
Nov 06 14:30:18 <badcloud> lindi-: I'm thinking CVirus, like many users, want newer hw
Nov 06 14:30:18 <badcloud> s/want/wants
Nov 06 14:31:05 <badcloud> lindi-: I'm thinking CVirus, like many users, wants newer hw
Nov 06 14:31:21 <badcloud> (might be late for the conversation since my connection keeps dying)
Nov 06 14:31:25 <CVirus> I'm like many users who blames himself for not contributing to such an amazing project like OpenMoko
Nov 06 14:31:55 <badcloud> CVirus: have you ever owned a fr/1973?
Nov 06 14:32:35 <CVirus> nope
Nov 06 14:33:05 <badcloud> oh
Nov 06 14:55:23 <gena2x> CVirus: hey, recently freerunner got huge progress in terms of speed and stability. It became obvious (for me at least) that main problem of freerunner is not old hw, but bugs in sw.
Nov 06 15:01:07 <Defiant> its still old hw als slow cpu etc
Nov 06 15:13:08 <badcloud> i feel you guys are both right
Nov 06 15:13:08 <badcloud> which sucks even more
Nov 06 15:24:34 <gena2x> Defiant: heh, while researching hw ECC, i found this: http://www.friendlyarm.net/products/mini2440
Nov 06 15:25:03 <gena2x> Defiant: somehow this reminds me openmoko board, which seem FAR more advanced than device linked
Nov 06 15:26:05 <gena2x> and somehow that device is still sold and bought and where is _active_ community of hackers around it
Nov 06 15:26:37 <SpeedEvil> es - similar hardware
Nov 06 15:26:42 <gena2x> they even ported uboot to it, hacket it from beginning to end
Nov 06 15:26:50 <gena2x> and feel good.
Nov 06 15:27:00 <SpeedEvil> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SamSung-S3C2440-ARM9-Mini2440-Board-3-5-TFT-LCD-128MB-/230509968366?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35ab76fbee
Nov 06 15:27:01 <SpeedEvil> also
Nov 06 15:27:10 <Defiant> gena2x: In the company I currently program an arm7 @60Mhz, but it does not run a flow blown operation system with lots of apps like the freerunner
Nov 06 15:27:56 <gena2x> and from what i see in recent distros the hw is not really slow
Nov 06 15:28:14 <gena2x> really, no problems with slowness at all in qtmoko v28 for example
Nov 06 15:28:33 <SpeedEvil> yes.
Nov 06 15:28:36 <SpeedEvil> It's depressing.
Nov 06 15:28:41 <SpeedEvil> Though awesome.
Nov 06 15:28:44 <gena2x> Defiant: 400mhz is more than enought to run full-blown off.
Nov 06 15:28:50 <gena2x> s/off/os/
Nov 06 15:28:50 <apt> gena2x meant: Defiant: 400mhz is more than enought to run full-blown os.
Nov 06 15:29:14 <SpeedEvil> Think for a moment back when you had a (new) 200MHz desktop.
Nov 06 15:29:16 <SpeedEvil> Was it slow?
Nov 06 15:29:32 <SpeedEvil> And it probably had a screen of similar dimensions.
Nov 06 15:30:19 <Defiant> Yes, it was slow
Nov 06 15:30:20 <gena2x> also, after going a bit depper into development, i realise about power consumption that actually, it is _fixable_ in freerunner. and most of power consumption is NOT related to CPU
Nov 06 15:30:46 <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
Nov 06 15:30:48 <gena2x> actually suspend time consits of suspend times of all other _hardware_ not cpu.
Nov 06 15:31:21 <gena2x> so better power management will provide much better power consumption situation
Nov 06 15:31:30 * SpeedEvil wishes he had a milion or two to do a nice open phone.
Nov 06 15:32:36 <gena2x> so omap or s3c2440... yes, it is faster, but it should not be disaster.
Nov 06 15:33:22 <gena2x> and yes, 400mhz should be more that enough to manage 640x480x16.
Nov 06 15:34:24 <gena2x> if you install L2 cache of 8M to FR for example. it will lightning fast device.
Nov 06 15:35:03 <SpeedEvil> That would be really, really cunning. :)
Nov 06 17:44:07 <DelphiWorld> suvir: you also here? hehehe
Nov 06 17:57:00 * DelphiWorld slaps suvir around a bit with a large trout
Nov 06 18:33:57 <listonosz> hello
Nov 06 18:34:11 <listonosz> guys can y tell me how to copy file on openmoko
Nov 06 18:34:20 <lindi-> listonosz: openmoko distro?
Nov 06 18:34:29 <listonosz> QtMoko
Nov 06 18:34:40 <listonosz> I am login throw ssh
Nov 06 18:34:54 <lindi-> listonosz: new to gnu/linux?
Nov 06 18:35:02 <listonosz> ye
Nov 06 18:35:05 <listonosz> command cp?
Nov 06 18:35:09 <gena2x> listonosz: scp
Nov 06 18:35:22 <listonosz> some example?
Nov 06 18:35:41 <gena2x> listonosz: i just don't know where to put pictures in qtmoko
Nov 06 18:35:54 <listonosz> mmm
Nov 06 18:35:59 <listonosz> in home/root/
Nov 06 18:36:00 <listonosz> ?
Nov 06 18:36:22 <gena2x> lindi-: but in general, you can do at host scp <local_file> root@192.168.0.220:/<path_on_qtmoko>
Nov 06 18:36:35 <gena2x> listonosz: ^^^
Nov 06 18:36:40 <gena2x> lindi-: sorry :)
Nov 06 18:36:47 <lindi-> copying pictures as root? aiee...
Nov 06 18:37:03 <PBeck> hi
Nov 06 18:37:04 <gena2x> root on device!
Nov 06 18:37:25 <gena2x> listonosz: where is 1000 ways to copy file to device
Nov 06 18:37:34 <gena2x> listonosz: i prefer to use mc
Nov 06 18:38:02 <gena2x> listonosz: you may use sshfs, some graphical stuff. you may install even ftp server to qtmoko
Nov 06 18:38:14 <listonosz> my mc cann't see qtmoko
Nov 06 18:38:25 <listonosz> and mc on qtmoko cann't see my pc
Nov 06 18:38:25 <listonosz> :S
Nov 06 18:38:51 <gena2x> listonosz: but you can ssh without problems?
Nov 06 18:40:25 <gena2x> listonosz: also do apt-get install openssh-client on your qtmoko
Nov 06 18:45:50 <listonosz> couldn't get local adress
Nov 06 18:48:22 <listonosz> got it
Nov 06 19:13:44 <listonosz> http://devi.openmoko.org/wiki/File_transfer
Nov 06 19:15:47 <listonosz> what should I do with makefile
Nov 06 19:16:17 <PaulFertser> rm it
Nov 06 19:17:10 <listonosz> mm?
Nov 06 19:18:58 <listonosz> ./Makefile 'make moko'
Nov 06 19:19:03 <listonosz> ?
Nov 06 19:29:00 <listonosz> omg why scp and sshfs not working
Nov 06 19:32:20 <gena2x> lindi-: did you installed openssh-client in qtmoko?
Nov 06 19:32:34 <gena2x> lindi-: !!! sorry again listonosz ^^^
Nov 06 19:32:45 <listonosz> ye
Nov 06 19:33:02 <gena2x> what is error message?
Nov 06 19:33:05 <gena2x> and command line?
Nov 06 19:34:03 <gena2x> lindi-: i have to patch xchat to add dialog 'are you really sure to send this message'? :)
Nov 06 19:34:20 <listonosz> ye but wich command scp?
Nov 06 19:34:53 <listonosz> it cann't find local file
Nov 06 19:36:23 <gena2x> can you ssh to your qtmoko and check 'which scp'
Nov 06 19:37:15 <listonosz> /usr/bin/scp
Nov 06 19:38:56 <gena2x> hm... so, where is your local file?
Nov 06 19:39:33 * gena2x has no ideas, it should work!
Nov 06 19:42:43 <listonosz> ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.220 port 22: No route to host
Nov 06 19:42:44 <listonosz> lost connection
Nov 06 19:43:10 <listonosz> scp /home/daniel/Pulpit/Save.BMP root@192.168.0.220:/home/
Nov 06 19:50:56 <gena2x> listonosz: and how do you ssh?
Nov 06 19:51:25 <listonosz> neo:~# 
Nov 06 19:51:37 <listonosz> ssh root@192.168.0.202
Nov 06 19:51:58 <gena2x> so, replace 220 with 202
Nov 06 19:52:06 <gena2x> in your scp string
Nov 06 19:52:27 <gena2x> i am using 192.168.1.5 so, i can't recall address...
Nov 06 19:53:55 <listonosz> working
Nov 06 19:53:55 <listonosz> : D
Nov 06 19:54:06 <listonosz> and how configure
Nov 06 19:54:07 <listonosz> this
Nov 06 19:54:19 <gena2x> like in mainstream debian
Nov 06 19:54:38 <listonosz> http://devi.openmoko.org/wiki/File_transfer
Nov 06 19:54:41 <listonosz> SSHFS
Nov 06 19:54:45 <listonosz> I want to mount dir
Nov 06 19:54:54 <gena2x> like in mainstream debian
Nov 06 19:55:11 <listonosz> I got here some Makefile
Nov 06 19:55:38 <gena2x> on host mkdir D; sshfs root@192.168.0.202:/<dir> D
Nov 06 19:56:04 <gena2x> do not forget to aptgetinstall sshfs itself
Nov 06 19:58:38 <listonosz> is it properly? root@192.168.0.202:/home/daniel/Pulpit/D/: No such file or directory
Nov 06 19:59:04 <listonosz> I am trying mount device to D
Nov 06 19:59:13 <gena2x> no
Nov 06 19:59:19 <listonosz> :S
Nov 06 19:59:23 <gena2x> read careful. sshfs -h
Nov 06 20:03:27 <listonosz> ye I see
Nov 06 20:03:34 <listonosz> and how to unmount?
Nov 06 20:04:03 <listonosz> umout D
Nov 06 20:04:04 <listonosz> xD
Nov 06 20:04:29 <listonosz> ye
Nov 06 20:04:30 <listonosz> xD
Nov 06 20:04:32 <listonosz> thnks man
Nov 06 20:04:37 <listonosz> it is very usefull
Nov 06 20:11:49 <listonosz> mmm
Nov 06 20:14:47 <listonosz> I got program Media Player but I am not sure
Nov 06 20:14:50 <listonosz> where he read music
Nov 06 20:15:30 <listonosz> th same pictures
Nov 06 20:16:30 <gena2x> listonosz: don't know. should be some dir on FR's filesystem. may be some 'rescan' will be needed
Nov 06 20:16:43 <listonosz> ye
Nov 06 20:16:44 <listonosz> I got it
Nov 06 20:16:52 <listonosz> but I wanna change for example
Nov 06 20:16:56 <listonosz> appearance
Nov 06 20:17:05 <listonosz> and background
Nov 06 20:21:45 <listonosz> ..homscreen
Nov 06 20:23:20 <gena2x> listonosz: i never tried to do it. share if you find how to do it.
Nov 06 20:23:30 <listonosz> mmm
Nov 06 20:23:37 <listonosz> nothing about catalog in help
Nov 06 20:34:14 <listonosz> can y advice me if I want to find background file in D it will be
Nov 06 20:34:29 <listonosz> find <dir> -name *ground
Nov 06 20:34:30 <listonosz> ?
Nov 06 20:35:36 <gena2x> listonosz: i have no even small idea how to change background. probably, this belongs to theme, so you you should try to search for it in rootfs
Nov 06 20:35:55 <gena2x> listonosz: we have 2 themes in qtmoko (change in settings/appearance)
Nov 06 20:36:07 <gena2x> listonosz: you may try to search my theme name.
Nov 06 20:36:46 <listonosz> ye but wich command to search
Nov 06 20:36:53 <listonosz> I am trying to do this
Nov 06 20:41:05 <gena2x> find /|grep -i fixni (or how it is named, look in appearance)
Nov 06 20:44:27 <listonosz> not find /home/daniel/Pulpit/D/ -name fixni?
Nov 06 21:04:29 <gena2x> listonosz: as i told, i am unsure if changing background is possible at all via /home. and 2) do all searches on device, not via ssh
Nov 06 21:10:37 <listonosz> mmm
Nov 06 21:11:59 <listonosz> bat firmware
Nov 06 21:12:00 <listonosz> :S
Nov 06 21:16:34 <listonosz> as a music only QMPlayer can find music
Nov 06 21:27:48 <listonosz> that's strange qtmoko haven't any documentation
Nov 06 21:32:26 <listonosz> http://manual.mantisbt.org/
Nov 06 22:12:32 <listonosz> I find the way
Nov 06 22:12:42 <listonosz> y should to go document viewer
Nov 06 22:12:43 <listonosz> and choice there
Nov 06 22:46:34 <listonosz> ey, what codec for mp3 I need?
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