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Nov 14 11:39:56 <badcloud_> how functional is the N900 using shr now?
Nov 14 11:42:19 <SpeedEvil> not - as far as I'm aware.
Nov 14 11:42:32 <SpeedEvil> That is - I'm not aware of any efforts to port it.
Nov 14 11:43:36 <badcloud_> SpeedEvil: then what was ported to the N900 as far as distros that work on the fr/1973?
Nov 14 11:44:48 <SpeedEvil> I don't know of any.
Nov 14 11:47:08 <badcloud_> :P
Nov 14 11:47:18 <badcloud_> wonder why I ever got the impression there was
Nov 14 11:48:21 <badcloud_> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=62152
Nov 14 11:50:30 <badcloud_> there's even a vid and install instructions\
Nov 14 11:51:04 <SpeedEvil> neat.
Nov 14 11:51:24 <badcloud_> I think I know which phone I want next
Nov 14 11:51:28 <SpeedEvil> Looking interesting. Though I've not looked at the vid.
Nov 14 11:51:41 * badcloud_ is watching the vid now
Nov 14 11:51:53 <SpeedEvil> An alternate software stack aimed at phones, that's not meego will be nice
Nov 14 13:02:37 <mickeyl> SpeedEvil: SHR folks are working on N900 for quite some time now
Nov 14 13:03:02 <mickeyl> and they're making progress as far as i can see
Nov 14 13:04:31 <badcloud_> mickeyl: thanks for the info
Nov 14 13:04:57 <badcloud_> I'm browsing for new phones in case my fr croaks
Nov 14 13:05:41 <mickeyl> right. there are basically three choices
Nov 14 13:05:59 <mickeyl> N900, Palm Pre (Plus/2), HTC [Dream|NexusOne]
Nov 14 13:06:10 <mickeyl> each has problems
Nov 14 13:06:14 <mickeyl> but in varying areas :)Ö=
Nov 14 13:09:37 <pespin_> mickeyl, iphone is starting to be supported by Lopi too :)
Nov 14 13:11:23 <mickeyl> right, that may be a forth option, but afaik noone around here (FSO/SHR/similar) is working on it
Nov 14 13:12:55 <badcloud_> mickeyl: wow, thanks
Nov 14 13:13:18 <badcloud_> any place to read up about drawbacks for each model (regarding abovementioned problems)
Nov 14 13:13:20 <badcloud_> ?
Nov 14 13:13:41 <SpeedEvil> mickeyl: right - I'd not been following SHR progress - glad t see I'm wrong.
Nov 14 13:14:55 <pespin_> SpeedEvil, badcloud_ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w3grzo_ybM
Nov 14 13:15:04 <SpeedEvil> What's that?
Nov 14 13:15:26 <pespin_> iphone+shr :)
Nov 14 13:15:31 <SpeedEvil> ah
Nov 14 13:15:40 <mickeyl> badcloud_: unfortunately there's no central point of status, but FSO wiki contains some hardware oriented pages with info
Nov 14 13:16:07 <SpeedEvil> I try to support openish hardware as much as possible - which iphone isn't really.
Nov 14 13:16:14 <mickeyl> well
Nov 14 13:16:31 <mickeyl> as a matter of fact, the iphone's hardware is better documented than some of the other choices...
Nov 14 13:16:46 <badcloud_> for me, the n900 looks like a winner
Nov 14 13:16:47 <mickeyl> e.g. GSM is no problem there
Nov 14 13:16:53 <mickeyl> but a nightmare on N900 and Palm
Nov 14 13:17:09 <badcloud_> really
Nov 14 13:17:40 <SpeedEvil> Sure - but I tend to discount documented platforms if you've got to crack them.
Nov 14 13:17:53 <mickeyl> somewhat. It's very tough on Palm, since it's a completely undocumented binary protocol there. it's similar on the N900, but there is at least an open reference implementation that does somethings
Nov 14 13:18:11 <badcloud_> I guess I'm a softy for landscape qwerty
Nov 14 13:18:11 <mickeyl> pespin_: that video is quite impressive. do the SHR folks know about that?
Nov 14 13:18:17 <SpeedEvil> As there is no guarantee that the one you buy off the shelf tomorrow will be crackable as the one you bought yesterday.
Nov 14 13:19:03 <mickeyl> true. but by that logic, all but the FR fails
Nov 14 13:19:08 <mickeyl> as you can nowhere be sure
Nov 14 13:19:38 <pespin_> mickeyl, yeah, GNUtoo is helping Lopi to get it into openembedded :)
Nov 14 13:19:47 <mickeyl> pespin_: awesome
Nov 14 13:20:20 <pespin_> as iphone3g machine name if you wanna see what's done so far
Nov 14 13:21:13 <SpeedEvil> mickeyl: To an extent, yes. N900 is at least the best of the rest.
Nov 14 13:21:26 <mickeyl> i can only spare a 2g atm., my company still needs the 3g with the original system to test...
Nov 14 13:21:32 <mickeyl> SpeedEvil: true
Nov 14 13:22:36 <SpeedEvil> Also - n900 going closed can't easily be done without consumer notice - as it'd break some of the promises in the advertising that would lead to refunds.
Nov 14 13:23:40 <badcloud_> so really iphone's hw is the best of the bunch
Nov 14 13:24:02 <SpeedEvil> Speaking personally, I really really like the hwkbd
Nov 14 13:24:11 <badcloud_> SpeedEvil: me too
Nov 14 13:24:23 <badcloud_> I don't think I could do without it
Nov 14 13:24:25 <mickeyl> ya, it's not that. unfortunately not as good as some of the HTC, but still
Nov 14 13:24:31 <mickeyl> s/that/bad/
Nov 14 13:24:31 <apt> mickeyl meant: ya, it's not bad. unfortunately not as good as some of the HTC, but still
Nov 14 13:24:35 <badcloud_> that's what's driving me up the wall with my fr
Nov 14 13:25:38 <badcloud_> how about sound card quality?
Nov 14 13:26:11 <badcloud_> any big differences?
Nov 14 21:21:25 <azaghal> Hm... Anyone remembers what was the link to a nice leather pouch for a Neo FR?
Nov 14 21:35:10 <pespin> azaghal, tuxbrain sells one made by them, but cannot find it in its shop right now. You might want to contact them by mail
Nov 14 21:35:37 <azaghal> pespin: Yeah, I think they removed it from the offer.
Nov 14 21:36:29 <pespin> azaghal, yeah but they might still have some stock, you should contact them
Nov 14 21:36:42 <azaghal> Ok, thanks ;)
Nov 14 21:40:04 <pespin> azaghal, I spoke with david from tuxbrain and it seems he doesn't have those leather case anymore. You can get one here thought: http://www.pulster.eu/
Nov 14 21:40:23 <SpeedEvil> Maybe, if they still have any in stock.
Nov 14 21:40:53 <azaghal> pespin: Thanks :)
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