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Jan 07 07:21:47 <Wonka> An iPhone user meets an Android user. iPhonie: „Sorry, alarm didn't work.” Android: „Didn't you get my message?”
Jan 07 07:24:38 * amarsh04 would be happy with a mobile handset that can reliably make and receive calls and SMS and has a means of extracting/updating contact lists and SMS messages, and extracting call records using Free software and a non-proprietary cable
Jan 07 07:25:03 <amarsh04> hence, for now I am making do with a Nokia 7250i
Jan 07 08:56:01 <doc|home> amarsh04: I've been saying that about the freerunner for 2 and a half years now... if only it could do those things :)
Jan 07 08:56:05 * doc|home sleeps
Jan 07 08:56:56 <amarsh04> yes, I miss not having a SIM card reader (as opposed to an entire handset) that has good support in Free software
Jan 07 09:09:20 <rettichschnidi> are there any?
Jan 07 09:11:32 <amarsh04> there was a SIM card reader that run under Windows (not wine) from a company called smartsilicon.com.au but that was withdrawn from the market some years back
Jan 07 09:12:44 <amarsh04> I picked up an eia-232 version for AUD$2 from a clearance table 
Jan 07 09:14:08 <SpeedEvil> amarsh04: n900 - the SMSs are stored in mysql
Jan 07 09:14:23 <SpeedEvil> the export/import is a bit messy though
Jan 07 09:16:11 <amarsh04> I'd have thought that sql-lite or something else would have been more appropriate. 
Jan 07 09:17:00 <SpeedEvil> err - it may be
Jan 07 09:17:32 <SpeedEvil> Nokia-N900:~# sqlite3 
Jan 07 09:17:32 <SpeedEvil> SQLite version 3.6.14
Jan 07 09:17:33 <SpeedEvil> yeah
Jan 07 09:19:43 <amarsh04> If something needs to be light-weight, SQLite seems fine, if it needs to be ACID compliant (not needed for a handset), Postgresql would be the way to go.
Jan 07 09:20:28 <Tm_T> sqlite is ok as long as the database doesn't get too big
Jan 07 09:26:34 <amarsh04> for sms/contacts you'd think that an in-(flash)-memory database would be alright
Jan 07 09:56:05 <Tm_T> amarsh04: IIRC in N900 that database is used to much else too
Jan 07 09:56:16 <Tm_T> on Maemo in overall
Jan 07 13:43:12 <DelphiWorld> hello guys
Jan 07 13:43:22 <DelphiWorld> what cellphone is compatible with openmoko?
Jan 07 13:51:23 <Heinervdm> DelphiWorld: you mean the openmoko distri?
Jan 07 13:51:53 <DelphiWorld> Heinervdm: i need a phone to run openmoko into it
Jan 07 13:52:41 <Heinervdm> the openmoko distri isn't maintained anymore, you should look for SHR, qtmoko, debian, H1 or android
Jan 07 13:53:06 <DelphiWorld> Heinervdm: but what hardware
Jan 07 13:53:46 <Heinervdm> don't know for debian, but all others expect SHR will only run on the OpenMoko devices
Jan 07 13:54:07 <Heinervdm> SHR runs on htc-dream, palm pre, n900
Jan 07 13:54:19 <DelphiWorld> Heinervdm: but where i can buy openmoko devices
Jan 07 13:54:25 <Heinervdm> and of course FreeRunner and Neo
Jan 07 13:54:33 <Heinervdm> which country?
Jan 07 13:55:02 <DelphiWorld> Heinervdm: suck algeria
Jan 07 13:55:49 <Heinervdm> DelphiWorld: hmm, i don't know a distribuor there: here is a list http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributors
Jan 07 13:57:08 <DelphiWorld> Heinervdm: what country openmoko is based on?
Jan 07 13:57:56 <Heinervdm> DelphiWorld: the company it self is dead
Jan 07 13:58:09 <DelphiWorld> Heinervdm: ohh that's odd
Jan 07 13:58:17 <Heinervdm> it's just the large community that's left
Jan 07 13:58:42 <DelphiWorld> hmmmm
Jan 07 13:58:51 <DelphiWorld> so whos creating the hardware now, Heinervdm?
Jan 07 13:59:18 <Heinervdm> nobody, there are just several devices on stock 
Jan 07 13:59:35 <DelphiWorld> Heinervdm: sadly.
Jan 07 14:00:23 <lindi-> DelphiWorld: not that sad, almost every manufacturer is now building linux based phones, something we couldn't even imagine in 2004 :)
Jan 07 14:00:38 <lindi-> DelphiWorld: of course they have non-free stuff but it's still promising
Jan 07 14:00:39 <DelphiWorld> lindi-: ;)
Jan 07 14:01:02 <lindi-> and my three openmokos are going to last for a few years :P
Jan 07 14:05:22 <Heinervdm> DelphiWorld: so what's your goal, do you just want to run free software on any phone?
Jan 07 14:05:30 <Heinervdm> s/any/some
Jan 07 14:06:07 <Heinervdm> DelphiWorld: for SHR you can look at this status page: http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/HardwareComparison
Jan 07 14:06:23 <DelphiWorld> Heinervdm: right
Jan 07 14:07:35 <Heinervdm> you can even start porting FSO (the framework used in SHR) to any other smartphone
Jan 07 14:08:06 <Heinervdm> but that's a lot of work :)
Jan 07 14:09:05 <DelphiWorld> ;)
Jan 07 18:30:19 <apt> Welcome Doc!
Jan 07 18:30:19 <apt> Welcome Doc!
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