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Feb 26 03:15:41 <linuxxr> is there a difference between .ubi   and .ubifs?
Feb 26 03:16:23 <linuxxr> 2011testing shr full ubifs  is only 151 kbs
Feb 26 03:23:53 <linuxxr> shr rc3 full is trash
Feb 26 03:24:16 <linuxxr> shr rcc3 lite is ok
Feb 26 03:47:50 <linuxxr> neither one will boot= kernel panic
Feb 26 03:48:46 <linuxxr> wont boot with older kernel eeither
Feb 26 03:51:35 <linuxxr> she rc3 2011testing is broken
Feb 26 17:21:16 <linuxxr> shr-testing2011.1/images/om-gta02
Feb 26 17:21:27 <linuxxr> anybody using these?
Feb 26 17:26:11 <Heinervdm> linuxxr: me
Feb 26 17:29:08 <linuxxr> i tried the latest an got kernel panic
Feb 26 17:29:33 <Heinervdm> for me it's booting fine
Feb 26 17:29:39 <linuxxr> did yours work at first boot?
Feb 26 17:29:44 <Heinervdm> yes
Feb 26 17:29:58 <Heinervdm> you flashed to nand?
Feb 26 17:30:38 <linuxxr> yyup   
Feb 26 17:30:47 <Heinervdm> with dfu-utils?
Feb 26 17:30:49 <linuxxr> i try again
Feb 26 17:30:52 <linuxxr> yup
Feb 26 17:31:06 <linuxxr> which kernel did u use?
Feb 26 17:31:18 <Heinervdm> i flashed it to my sd card
Feb 26 17:31:40 <linuxxr> ic
Feb 26 17:31:44 <aloniv> Still using the older version...does evopedia work?
Feb 26 17:31:49 <Heinervdm> the oe16 kernel is the right one
Feb 26 17:31:55 <linuxxr> ok
Feb 26 17:32:06 <Heinervdm> aloniv: i haven't tried it
Feb 26 17:33:19 <aloniv> Heinervdm: thanks for replying. Evopedia doesn't work that well on unstable which is why I kept testing. If it doesn;t work in the new version there's no need for me to upgrade (it's on an 8 GB card).
Feb 26 17:33:23 <linuxxr> did u use lite or full?
Feb 26 17:33:46 <Heinervdm> linuxxr: i use the lite image
Feb 26 17:34:15 <Heinervdm> linuxxr: in my opinion the problem is dfu-utils
Feb 26 17:34:23 <Heinervdm> it doesn't work right
Feb 26 17:34:48 <Heinervdm> aloniv: there was an update for evopedia in unstable yesterday
Feb 26 17:34:53 <linuxxr> the full image is only 151kbs
Feb 26 17:35:38 <Heinervdm> linuxxr: then there is sth wrong with your download
Feb 26 17:35:56 <Heinervdm> on the buildhost it's 117MB
Feb 26 17:35:58 <aloniv> OK I'll try it. Sadly SHR doesn;t actually work for me as a phone (I can;t receive SMS messages - I posted a bug about this) so I will only try it later.
Feb 26 17:36:39 <Heinervdm> aloniv: i'm not up to date with shr-unstable
Feb 26 17:36:41 <linuxxr> i dl  4 times an it come up 151 kbs every time
Feb 26 17:36:50 <Heinervdm> linuxxr: strange
Feb 26 17:37:07 <linuxxr> yup
Feb 26 17:37:20 <linuxxr> lite seems to download ok
Feb 26 17:37:21 <Heinervdm> linuxxr: i just downloaded it and i got 117MB
Feb 26 17:37:28 <linuxxr> hmmm
Feb 26 17:37:44 <Heinervdm> you are downloading this one? http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing2011.1/images/om-gta02/shr-full-eglibc-ipk-rc3-20110220-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
Feb 26 17:37:49 <aloniv> Heinervdm: both testing and unstable didn't work for me for receiving SMS messages. I have a new version of unstable (probably less than a month old).
Feb 26 17:37:54 <linuxxr> yup
Feb 26 17:38:52 <aloniv> Heinervdm: At the moment I only use SHR testing to read books and view wikipedia via evopedia, so if evopedia doesn;t work I won't upgrade.
Feb 26 17:39:10 <Heinervdm> aloniv: i've seen the bugreport, but i couldn't find anything strange in your logs
Feb 26 17:39:28 <linuxxr> well i used the ubifs
Feb 26 17:39:57 <linuxxr> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing2011.1/images/om-gta02/shr-full-eglibc-ipk-rc3-20110220-om-gta02.rootfs.ubifs
Feb 26 17:41:35 <aloniv> Heinervdm: it might be because it's a 3G SIM card. Either way other distros do support receiving SMS messages (e.g. QtMoko and Om 2009).
Feb 26 17:41:55 <linuxxr> qt works well
Feb 26 17:42:10 <Heinervdm> linuxxr: i tried that one too, and it's the right size too
Feb 26 17:42:17 <linuxxr> wow
Feb 26 17:42:22 <linuxxr> wathell
Feb 26 17:42:39 <linuxxr> y maybe me temp files
Feb 26 17:43:01 <Heinervdm> mickey|bbl: can you have a look at aloniv's logs? He doesn't recive SMS messages: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/raw-attachment/ticket/1282/log.zip
Feb 26 17:44:27 <Heinervdm> aloniv: perhaps mickey|bbl can see sth in these logs
Feb 26 17:45:15 <aloniv> Heinervdm: Hopefully. Until then I won't be able to use SHR other than for non phone purposes.
Feb 26 17:46:33 <aloniv> I really like QtMoko though as a phone. I wrote a Hebrew keyboard for it. Where should I post it?
Feb 26 17:47:17 <aloniv> (The QtMoko website is down.)
Feb 26 17:47:21 <Heinervdm> aloniv: ping radekp and ask him :)
Feb 26 17:47:27 <linuxxr> yup
Feb 26 17:47:40 <TomaszD> aloniv, visit #qtmoko and ask radekp
Feb 26 17:47:49 <aloniv> I'm in that room.
Feb 26 17:49:48 <aloniv> Hopefully other Hebrew speakers won't need to write the keyboard themselves :)
Feb 26 17:50:20 <Heinervdm> aloniv: an other possibility is to send it to the community ML
Feb 26 17:51:52 <aloniv> Heinervdm: it is just two lines of text that could be added to a file.
Feb 26 17:52:07 <aloniv> I'm off. Will be back later.
Feb 26 19:43:45 * geekabit just received his 2nd hand openmoko freerunner from ebay
Feb 26 19:43:53 <geekabit> and i'm not sure it's fully working
Feb 26 19:44:11 <PaulFertser> geekabit: how do you tell?
Feb 26 19:44:38 <geekabit> Well, I just installed SHR, that seems to be working
Feb 26 19:44:50 <geekabit> but I can't get an usb connection.
Feb 26 19:45:13 <geekabit> When I plug the phone into my computer, lsusb doesn't show it.
Feb 26 19:45:28 <geekabit> not even when the phone is in nor/uboot mode
Feb 26 19:45:33 <geekabit> is that normal?
Feb 26 19:46:33 <geekabit> Charging from usb seems to work, though.
Feb 26 19:46:57 <geekabit> I don't have the cables to test usb host-mode on the phone.
Feb 26 19:47:48 <PaulFertser> geekabit: no, that's not normal, are you sure your cable and port are ok?
Feb 26 19:48:13 <geekabit> yep, other devices do work. I tried another port and cable, but the problem remains.
Feb 26 19:48:44 <geekabit> also, the battery status is unknown. Every setting is at 0 or n/a.
Feb 26 19:48:50 <geekabit> maybe the phone is a bit dodgy after all
Feb 26 19:48:54 <PaulFertser> geekabit: is it the original OM battery?
Feb 26 19:49:16 <geekabit> it's a standard Nokia battery. I have no idea what originally came with the phone.
Feb 26 19:49:42 <PaulFertser> geekabit: standard Nokia is not compatible with the advanced battery driver, so you have to use other driver.
Feb 26 19:49:45 <geekabit> on the battery: Nokia BL-4C
Feb 26 19:49:58 <PaulFertser> ~batteryfaq
Feb 26 19:49:59 <apt> i heard batteryfaq is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers
Feb 26 19:50:13 <geekabit> ah, okay. That explains the odd readings
Feb 26 19:50:32 <PaulFertser> geekabit: the particular advice on how to switch to the dumb driver is out-of-date but i've no idea how to do it properly in SHR nowadays.
Feb 26 19:50:39 <geekabit> thanks
Feb 26 19:51:15 <geekabit> oh, I will manage.
Feb 26 19:52:15 <PaulFertser> Among nokia batteries, BL-6C or the latest incarnation of BL-5C is recommended, as they have more capacity.
Feb 26 19:53:22 <geekabit> Ah, I was just reading that as well.
Feb 26 19:54:16 <geekabit> One more usb question, when should the phone be visible in lsusb?
Feb 26 19:54:32 <PaulFertser> geekabit: sure... probably you have a damaged usb connector in the device :(
Feb 26 19:54:33 <geekabit> Is it visible all the time, or do I have to enable anything?
Feb 26 19:55:04 <geekabit> I was already thinking about opening it
Feb 26 19:55:26 <PaulFertser> geekabit: in both nor and nand u-boot it should be visible all the time, same holds true for the default SHR configuration.
Feb 26 19:55:36 <geekabit> I wanted to double-check that this behaviour isn't normal
Feb 26 19:55:52 <PaulFertser> geekabit: how much did you pay for it?
Feb 26 19:55:55 <geekabit> okay, thanks
Feb 26 19:56:04 <geekabit> 50 GBP on ebay.co.uk
Feb 26 19:56:21 <geekabit> It was sold with a broken android install.
Feb 26 19:56:59 <geekabit> The guy who sold it got it in a bulk electronics deal, so I don't know where it came from
Feb 26 19:57:29 <geekabit> Fortunately for me it seems to be mostly working
Feb 26 19:58:04 <PaulFertser> geekabit: yeah, apart from the usb connector it seems.
Feb 26 19:58:51 <geekabit> Maybe it's a loose connection, we'll see in a minute
Feb 26 19:59:14 <PaulFertser> geekabit: the openmoko wiki has nice disassembly instructions and other useful stuff.
Feb 26 19:59:39 <geekabit> I was just looking for it :)
Feb 26 19:59:45 <geekabit> I've been surfing the wiki all day
Feb 26 20:00:18 <PaulFertser> geekabit: one important thing: clearly understand the difference between booting NOR and NAND.
Feb 26 20:01:19 <geekabit> I think (hope) I understand. SHR lives on my usd card. All I wanted to do is flash Qi as bootloader
Feb 26 20:21:18 <geekabit> the pins inside the mini-b connector seem bent. I fixed is more or less. One of these day't I should replace the connector.
Feb 26 20:21:36 <geekabit> Now to re-assemble the phone...
Feb 26 20:23:12 <geekabit> phew, that's one tight little package. And I mean the phone by that.
Feb 26 20:25:15 <geekabit> victory: Bus 006 Device 002: ID 1d50:5119 OpenMoko, Inc. 
Feb 26 20:25:37 <geekabit> PaulFertser, thanks for the support
Feb 26 20:25:49 <geekabit> if you're even near Amsterdam I'll buy you a beer
Feb 26 20:27:07 <geekabit> oh, that goes for all of you guys
Feb 26 20:31:15 <linuxxr> still kernel panic on shr 2011testing latest
Feb 26 20:36:32 <PaulFertser> geekabit: welcome.
Feb 26 20:37:20 <PaulFertser> geekabit: Amsterdam? Mmm. I hope i'll get there sooner or later.
Feb 26 20:37:50 <PaulFertser> :)
Feb 26 20:39:30 <geekabit> PaulFertser: if you're even in the neighbourhood, give me a call / send me a pm. We always have a place to crash.
Feb 26 20:39:46 * geekabit is also a member of couchsurfing
Feb 26 20:40:11 <PaulFertser> geekabit: thanks :)
Feb 26 20:40:25 <geekabit> you're welcome
Feb 26 20:45:48 <PaulFertser> geekabit: i should have suggested you to take a look at the mic area to see if there's a buzz fix applied.
Feb 26 20:46:14 <PaulFertser> geekabit: do you have the screws already in place? (in fact i'm using my device for ~two years without any screws)
Feb 26 20:46:15 <geekabit> PaulFertser: I haven't seen any rework. It's an A5 board.
Feb 26 20:46:45 <geekabit> hehe. Yes, but I can always open it up again.
Feb 26 20:47:13 <PaulFertser> geekabit: have you ever soldered SMD components?
Feb 26 20:47:29 <geekabit> There's a buzz fix, right? Maybe I'll have an smd soldering evening next week and swap my usb-mini-b and do some rework
Feb 26 20:47:37 <PaulFertser> geekabit: if yes, and if you want to use the freerunner for GSM voice calls, i highly recommend doing a buzzfix.
Feb 26 20:47:43 <geekabit> yep, I used to work in electonics
Feb 26 20:48:08 <PaulFertser> geekabit: ok, then http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf
Feb 26 20:48:28 <PaulFertser> geekabit: if you want to use it as a portable player, you'll also need to perform some kind of bass fix.
Feb 26 20:48:47 <geekabit> Ah, I've heard of that one as well.
Feb 26 20:49:00 <PaulFertser> geekabit: and to extend battery life in suspend-to-ram you can do the so called #1024 fix (changing one 0805 cap).
Feb 26 20:49:26 <geekabit> sounds like an evening full of soldering fun
Feb 26 20:49:47 <PaulFertser> geekabit: that all depend on your usecases of course.
Feb 26 20:51:53 <geekabit> I haven't really planned that far ahead. I wanted one of those openmoko phones even since they came out. But I either had no budget or had too many other projects going on
Feb 26 20:52:11 <geekabit> and then, last week, I found one for cheap on ebay.
Feb 26 20:53:25 <geekabit> so I'll try using it as phone for now.
Feb 26 20:54:20 <geekabit> But I think I will apply all the fixes while I'm at it.
Feb 26 20:55:58 <PaulFertser> geekabit: sounds like a serious approach :)
Feb 26 20:57:02 <geekabit> I have worked too much on sofware lately, I can't wait to fire my soldering iron up again.
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